revenge that supposed safe haven for terrorism. less than a month later, the u. s. and u. k. were rendering suspected terrorists, u. s. prison camp guantanamo after this month's decision by british courts to exonerate the u. s. justice system. when it comes to wiki likes, his julian assange, this program investigates the alleged torture of mentor, a di fee by the usa, the author of don't forget us here. lost and found at guantanamo was swept up by us linked warlords. and the cia in afghanistan, 18 year old, missouri became detainee for, for one was held at guantanamo for 14 years without charge you a discretion was advised to so may be disturbed by us treatment of prisoners discussed in this interview. and for a daffy joins me now from belgrade in sylvia. man, so welcome to going under ground. i suppose we better stop given the, i know from my lawyers that people watcher this show in guantanamo bay, torture camp prison, whatever. it's called a 1st a message. i suppose from you to the people still in there. yeah. first of all,

thank you for how are you today and is the 2nd time actually actually are to you one of their favorites. you're not going to know because it's just the other side of the wall. and before i start, i would like to send them a message to my brother at guantanamo de la bradshaw to has done to hardy, to where i had every one. i shall assume you will. you will leave and we haven't forgotten about you unless i hadn't what kind of bless you all i any of those people, they're all welcome on the show to hopefully they get out of that hell hole. soon. half your life destroyed. how did you even write such a book? so he, on the process of writing that book started at going to 2010 until 2013. but both, i like to address a documentarian book in this book. then it was confiscated inter company and share their team by coming station with the army took over, they let down us in their confinement and confiscated all our belongings. so and

they took, they took it in the book. it was like, i was really had a screaming like bring my child back because they have worked so hard school if your story is and i went to try it from different perspective and different angle and a different way. i went to write as a random and as writer i wrote about the, the brothers, the garden that comes to the animal, c one as well. you know, i bought like a survival. oh, you know, and i'm, so i tried to, you know, like i said, if i can manage to capture those moments of beauty and hub and bring it to light. well, i tell you, i was one of the great prism, memoirs, regardless of the politics, arguably, i mean, just just a recap. and i know you've talked about this elsewhere. basically, us public money was given to the cia used to buy you from afghan warlords of kidnapped to you. they,

i was told you to say you were al qaeda. how many were killed? do you know how many were killed by the cia before the transportation to guantanamo in the 1st place before they narratives, gods in the book? even you know, this one of the challenges with nobody knows how many of you will actually present like this. yeah. or died under the torture, because rendition have been, as you know, what the current edition is actually not in the, in they have, they have many gales in like scans contacts, dan jordan and, and elsewhere. i mean, when i wasn't totally, we don't know all the names of the countries. so why wasn't do it when i was writing stories about the book and then also my brothers, they inter again until shar dba everywhere in space on their atlas. and the aircraft carriers under ocean the only way as i my only this bass, they haven't been able to to shut the door,

shut them and to get them believe that's it. because everywhere, everywhere in the book, details continuous to watch, a fake execution. the youngest detainee was 3 months old, the eldest, a 105 years old of you. i think what shocked people and it shocked us, i suppose is our the red cross comes you say you say that you wrote to the m the road to have the international committee for the red cross to be removed from guantanamo, claiming that the red cross is only purpose was to give the gentleman see to what the americans would doing out they, they say they are helped you. they are. but do they know of your hunger strikes? you're feeding jazz, you're the weapon. i zation of islam against you. the stars of david, shamed into your hair. i mean, did the red cross no help? you know, there's cross basically when you come, when we are going to know that it's cross was, was there actually when we are right, the 1st woman, but they wouldn't do it and i was talking to them. what was going on here?

we can do, and i think we can, we need a parcel right that. so after that, like months after we were talking to them said guys, look what happened last year. they said we have agreement with state, we are not allowed to talk anything to the media to anyone else. and i think has to go to the media has to go 1st to the pin tag on i have to give us a position. so the media went like the thought was happening, the hunger strike the mr thing ever was happening. the i see, i see why there. but in the end, we know most of the things that we wrote like a letter to the i see, i see signed by around like 400 detainees. ask them to leave one in an official letter from a sick west. because when they, when doing their, it just gets christie. i remember one day i wasn't the 1st feeding and 5 of the blood. what is the i c r c a. what mike said, any guy, when yesterday i call in when he saw me, like cover his eyes. what's wrong with it? he said, we are not allowed to see you guys because, you know,

basically when we are or something or psychotic under stretching, used to move us to other camps that the i, c, r c, a mit mit us or talk to us even even the, in my garage or in other places? when i used to hire a business, they would take him to other places during the i see i see visit. i see as he knows about it. but as long as they do see it, like they cannot to coordinate. well the, i see, i see say that the role of it is an independent non judgemental humanitarian organization to regularly assess facilities speak with attorneys, maintain ongoing dialogue with us authorities in order to offer observations and make recommendations where appropriate. wiley, i see i see monitors the conditions of internment, guantanamo the responsibility of ensuring the persons held there, indeed treated you may me lies with the us authorities. i mean, if you go back to the report, talk about the torture guns and we can do it everywhere. and i see,

i think what they're watching, everything they know that have been there since years and years like on the i c, r c because there was no, any kind of rule for because during, even like when you know, middle to what, what kind of the one who started that house with m i c r c was there in the same time they used, they were like that people are business, we're writing from different parts of the world. and i see you see them, we were hunger strike. there's a lot of cases, a pepper spray, it became shouting, yelling, i see, i see a lot about it. but as i told you, they cannot speak. oh, who can tell when they have moved by, by the u. s. government and you say the letters were used against prisoners who wrote to family members. the red cross has messages contain only family news in a check by the us authorities to ensure this is the case that corresponds to standard worldwide practice. you mentioned jeffrey miller, the general who won a distinguished service medal of to his activities in guantanamo freeman. and

actually i'm working on that one who has, you know, what, when he went to what he did, he's the one who started a, even at a place it there. so actually he started the enhanced interrogation technique or the at wanted m. then after that he went to sensitive by our process to get up to get with it. you mentioned your friend was there and your asking the red cross about his death. as you know, i mean, tell me, tell me about your friend. and obviously they said it was suicide and i understand what that it, that they broke his back while he was being forced, you know, what much one would have interesting is leader who actually started a 9. and before that started, you know. ready gathering people and encouraging everyone to go on hunger strike or a dozen people to can 5 to come sick. and he was also left by

a team and had to spec from the guards and everyone. so at that time, they didn't want to kind of like a protest or 2nd that was going on because it was in a 9, we will move to so you can find me in 5 am sick. so am i start running the people try to, again to night to what is our situation as well. he was moved to the when they call it be if you behavioral health unit or the 2nd unit, what they, psychologists actually are function. we heard the news that he's on hunger strike and he was cheated. i want the letter to the general at that time for like 4 pages, ask him to bring what black back and we we will take care of him. but he was sick and so after that i was in like the 1st feeling and we get the new was done by back was broken by a see. and he's trying to to,

to walk a like when a chair on a think. yes, he was calling his me 2 weeks later, we heard the news that he died. so i took the brother who was with him in the same place. i said there's some possible la quinta kind himself because he was what they go under direct watch. what like 24 hours, the guys watch him and like 2 cameras in the cell. so when i talk to the i, c r c, i don't like some possible because they have, they have to investigate the brothers. i have to go to work with them. i have actually the medical stuff and one of the brother he said, you said like no like they took 45 minutes till the medic arrived to actually to, to respond to it, to the coal and he was left there. so basically it's, it's still, it's a mystery, is that what they call them? like more of that this has gotten, i called it a mistake that yeah, well, you name names in, in here, and obviously there are lots of deaths. many people did die. do you think michael

bum gonna killed the 3 day tany, or was it a cover up a scott horton, a journalist for you? thank. in the book alleges that of course, general michael bomb gonna says it was a blatant misrepresentation. you know that colonel, he is the 1st one who b a break our hunger 2nd 2005. after he bought the hunger strike he was, he was talking about there is like i said, i am one of the brothers. he said, we have heard that you have some like dishes or dreams that you, whenever you want to 10 of your favorite any like here, like what would it be an answer to that after a few weeks where like the of the brothers died the same way hang guy there, hand tied behind him. and at the same time, it's impossible to coordinate such ag at the same time, like in the same manner. i was in the sand like when they thought, when i didn't mean like 12 o'clock and then night, like like,

like any other day. but what i notice when i wake up is like different than the same gun, like different gods. the oh young that much. it was a little there anymore. they admitted him and i heard the one is pre when i hear what the word screen like was going on there. like they said yes. night. like it's a nightmare. no, i have been because then when i wasn't when they took yes from your so some possible because the man is i be had his back both his leg. my site is like a washcloth from his mouth. so basically, this is the way they used to gain any mentor and they failed. stop you that more from former guantanamo detainees for, for one after this break. ah

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a day. he also don't forget us here. lost and found to guantanamo, tell me about when you were interrogated. i mean, so many times so many hunger strikes. so many meetings in this book. what of what you thought when you saw israeli badges on the interrogators? what were the israeli interrogated doing where they israelis and then to get to sometime they became like wearing gun in for the sinus patch and they're on the uniform. and those instigators, they see army in english. so i'm not just that like, like when, when the 1st meeting i was talking to the one of the nurses and she told me, i told her i didn't want that nurse to me personally. she said, what do you mean as like a new one? i said what? so basically it's a facility for, for any garcia, gators saunders, psychology is everyone. and i guess that there was like a satanic room like dark room, and they're like

a lot of stars in science in them they use like a sneak. it sometimes they cover us when you like, when we break, they would cover us with american flags, right. it is kind of like commission and try to book you would try to pressure to that to that. maybe it wasn't, it wasn't about information, wasn't about american america was more study, you know, at a place where there's no accountability and a place outside the law. so they have found a place where they kind of them and think development techniques and that's it. yeah, they would drugging your food. you mentioned the behavioral health unit. what about the sexual abuse? we've heard a lot now in the supreme court. i think there are different cases talking about it, use of female torture is i'm buttoning their blouses and then cooling you. i'll kind of, they don't look at your breast, continued for enforce nakedness. what was the rule of female torture?

is it going to kind of payment was use again, it's attorneys because you know, what was the case. we came from a background that like our fi, our, you know, and i think would bother you. i think we're here to and think will will bother you . and they will, do, you know, you know, giving us like it isn't that one of the easiest thing like, yes, anybody got even kind of a psychologist there once they get in famous instigators, you know, they, they, they used also to make it, they used to show their press, you know, one of them, one of the, to get to, she was a, some, her pre the blood and what isn't that one of the chinese face. and they thought the 2nd limitation lab and some of the gators made on female when they have a sex in the room, sometime there was to vacate, in open the licks entertained like would you like to be to heaven many,

many stories. and i, you know, some of the brand, they don't want to come out, it still little legal issues, but it had been their sexual harass rate, had been a while they, they, they suddenly weaponized to slum, throwing the crohn's around, and destroying them. and so on. i mean, what is it your understanding they were brainwashed or the u. s. education system is, is useless. i mean, it comes out they, they know nothing about the rest of the world, the less than you came from yemen to study information technology wanting a career in them in information technology. you were a they were able to joke with one of the interrogators about aladdin and sorcery just because it was thundering outside the weather. you know, those guards well it before we get the kids want to go on and. and when they have no idea, you know, they have your files for those information,

for 5 guards. also at the same time like a, she had the army guards, they came from, you know, people who have a good education or they have no idea about this. now or are up so that's also the way you know and ministry, they also engineer the mindset that the guards on the so just to be loyal to the causal, to the system or whatever. so before they sent them to blank and they would take them to the grounds, you know, new york. and i would tell them to one who did a bunch of them. so now, gosh, those got to the right one time, full pay and grades. and thinking that they are, you know, that were, they was also told him, this is the frontline you are in, this is a war zone here. and imagine that the docs or was it is on here. and any action by cheney what they can be as like an actual tourism, or like they used to put on a cell and going to know. and if we're going to her cycle,

what does it like? you're a nose and you had against a mistake. you're trying to bring a country down like even doesn't to get us on kind of those and does it like they have the same market, some of the gods when they live with us, like for a few months, observing down watching us. they have a change, you know, they felt like they were introduction about was done going there. because anyway, you wouldn't know a person. is he a killer or terrorist? a bad person, but we live with that person for a few months, watching them stealing, eating, praying, crying, or sharing. i guess they are human after all, over the world. so you have your own degree. so some of the got some funding with us, some of the like actually starting to follow the rules. but the system is 7th, one time or even the guards were victims of the system at one time because i guess the twenty's or brought us was it gets to what kind of but also some of the guards

from them to get some kind of stuff were so big because they were 1st to something that, against their hicks and morals, or a big personals, and some of those guys were forced to for shelter. mckinney. so when we would have you already, they had the d s. d from toys in was the u. s. has been defeated in iraq and afghanistan because you see them revolves around you were there so long, you know, one of the sentiment at one time i was some of the guards that was oregon and we call them so when they went to tor sorta. so when they came back, when they came back, they're going to send person again, you will see a broken so not the broken 1st person. and this with like least some book and he so something had happened to them. so we're, we were talking about, we were talking about those dark, what's happening to them because we remember the worst, the good guys, some of them get killed. some of them come into side something become homeless,

some of them, you know, listening limbs. so actually, you know, those guard where are those soldiers weren't train you to fight, but they were never instructed or give any advice how to do with their math. so basically they were using and their id. they also have implant assistance. well, the upper classes in that class system arguably, obviously deny them. they are the names in the book general michael dunn levy of mcqueen that the navy says an interrogation. this is an erie times news article in 2011. he says interrogations were consistent with the geneva convention. he won the distinguished service medal as well. just as an adult mcqueen. in general, the navy became a judge in pennsylvania. what, what do you say to the fact that these people are always saying that the geneva convent, i presume you mean the geneva conventions because there's no one where abided by.

you know, i think this american version a version because what you like about going to want to know shouldn't exist in the 1st place to place out of sight of the instead of call them if you should call them prisoner. and then actually, but they called them to cheney, so they didn't have to write, you know, at one time we, we have seen on that. not a lot of problems with them. if you commission and song, because it's no law apply, it's $110.00, that rica law will be alone and get a confession that not until and finish low. basically, when they said that, i mean you have to fish, i didn't think you need to convince you, allow to a prisoner a history for 20 years and different interesting without you, right, or trial or fish. that was kind of what i'm going to now is a simple for sure. who does this lawlessness of power in different detention? what they don't know, like it's different kind of literacy, too many places around the world when the black sites may be open, we don't,

we don't know, and you say biden is not shut it down. a black site and local, but i would like to ask if you ask those, you know, did he also we applied you have a confession, the black sites, even if you die, you die in the way you have a conversion at the same time. so erotically, that's what it, how was it an education for you? i know a one time you tell a cell neighbor as a carrier, that they can tell you anything. there's a 105 year old is a salary lens driver, a cook professor of our big agenda. ethridge is here, i presume. so may judge was in education for you. is that why you're going to become one of the great writers of this century? who knows, you know, the question is just to every human being, that's what lifted person as a person like you just because you know the worst thing to continue with right now for worse as time to starvation concern because it is the dark side with.

so once i was like, since i was a kid, that is the special special one time when i found myself in 2010, you know, is i know a, here's the instructor confinement. i tell myself, i don't want to be the same person for that for the rest of my life. so we started with them stations for education, for english class is to get to classes, are classes less skills or so. and also a send, a delegation to 110 of them to make it look good because i think he knew he's not, he won't be able to close it. they've missed some of the condition of organizations around like 40 pages to change the, like i said once in a mom that got him station, they don't want to apply some of the most of the thinking recommendation. again, we actually weren't like a hunger strike then that many people germany brought us join us was talking shit

with the conversation. i can tell you like we got at least what we need. we wanted and we knew it were like going up what i wasn't going to close. so at least we can have, you know, the some piece of that place. so we have a, we have some of your work. i think. yeah, yeah. so some of our talk, so what when you started talking to that, i'm kind of about the class. you said you guys are a tourist, you know how to pen. you know, it's ok i'm, we ask them a brothers to print something. can we show them like that? oh yes. then we started like after class, it was a lot of you know, the mending and asking and typing it. i think i'm easy. honestly, i don't this was the one that would want to know. this is kind of like rules, rules change every, almost every 2 weeks. it does, it does have 16 days of what they call a seizure gender on $84.00 times like average was it to week. so

when you kind of, when the new administration arrive at once, and i'm this year when the buy didn't win that much, it's one of the worst time at one time in your calendar, right? and they have their own a mission and vision health one become that you the rules. and it is hard on the brother of 20 years after 1000 years to come to change the rules and make new or so these annuals and interest means and if not, well, let us know of information as you get it from you saying 11 to the biden administration, i know you're wearing the guantanamo orange color there in the in belgrade, you know, under the castro government they said go down, always occupied cuba. tell me, i suppose finally about how cuban iguanas say with you because the market, like i think last year, the american difference wasn't about the human rights in cuban the same time.

they committed one of the major, a violation in the, in the, in the tv in 70 went on our end. so you know, and want to know when you, when you live in such a confinement. i mean, as i told you, everything can design their full banking. don't, don't separate your mind of your body. i think like i bought control, i guess what, you control control everything, the air, the water, the thought, the like, the time, everything. so we aren't allowed to talk, they will really loud and big fan vacuums, internet earth, everything i spent most. and so the confinement i couldn't talk to one of the brothers. so i must feel, i'm a social person. i like to talk like a social people. when i get out to the wreck, everything was close green. i still need those, the glass looking, looking for,

for food. so yes, i start talking to them and i just a normal conversation that good listen. so actually say listen, so in that i was like he was like, i have a mental, a problem. i'm thinking of that they got that unit and i asked if they need to get that they have to talk to my it when i think thank you. thank you so much for having me today and a, the shit or a guy that's for the show will be back a wednesday for a season finale when we speak to the legendary pink floyd front by roger waters, about the year of nato nation and justice. including the torture incarceration of wiki leaks, found a julian, a sorry job to reports of his stroke in a london prison until then keep the judge, my social media. let us know whether you think guantanamo bay will ever close.

i mean, you must be in a city delegated and as you want to talk to, we stand together. we'll continue to stand together against russia. 80 in germany, repeat some of the areas that we doubtless made, say noticed videos as chunky dawson about their 1000000 influence. other nations, french, u. k. and even latin america and other countries in future than maybe beware to high rum cycle alone with members of your household. so please, please, please, please. we are to continue to fight. don't you just need to to do? russia must not be allowed in germany. i don't want y'all to common leave. it's so short. so the an lp, the innovation and the yes,

actually indian 80 the innovation, mrs. gun simple son's. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have . it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is on offense. very dramatic development. only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successfully, very critical of time. time to sit down and talk ah, flashes and violence in europe as governments to toughen restrictions to combat the surging, omicron covey, straight from risking people's christmas plans for a 2nd year. hundreds of scientists including nobel prize winners column, the u. s. to change its nuclear weapons strategy and drop the 1st strike option we .