let down us in the confinement and confiscate all our belongings. so and they took, they took it in the book. it was like, i was really had a screaming like bring my child back because they have worked so hard. a story is, and i went to try it from different perspective and different angle and a different way. i went to write as a reader. and as writer, i wrote about the, the brothers, the guy that comes to the animals, the one us then, you know, i bought life a survival. oh, you know, and i'm, so i tried to, you know, like i said, if i can manage to capture those moments of deal with young hub and bring it to light. well, i tell you, it was one of the great prison men was regardless of the politics, arguably. i mean, just just a recap. and i know you've talked about this elsewhere. basically, us public money was given to the cia used to buy you from afghan was kidnapped to

you. they, i was told you to say you were al qaeda. how many were killed? do you know how many were killed by the cia before the transportation to guantanamo in the 1st place before they narratives god's in the book even? you know, just wanted to show you this week. nobody knows how many people actually in prison like us. yeah. or died under the torture because this should have been as you know, what they call dishes actually. nothing they, they have. they have many gales like guns, contacts, dan, jordan and, and elsewhere. i mean, when i went all the way, well, we don't know all the names of the countries. so why wasn't do it when i was writing stories about the book and then also my brothers. they interrogate until shirt depot, everywhere in space on the atlas. and the aircraft carriers, ocean the only way as i like only the space they haven't been able to shut the door,

shut them, and to get them fully discussed. that's it. because everywhere, everywhere in the book, details continuous to watch, a fake execution. the youngest detainee was 3 months old, the oldest 105 years old of you. i think what shocked people and it shocked us, i suppose is out. the red cross comes, you say, you say that you wrote to the, the road to have the international committee for the red cross to be removed from guantanamo, claiming that the red cross is only purpose was to give the jitter messy to what the americans would doing. out they, they say they helped you, they, but do they know of your hunger strikes? you're feeding jazz. you're the weapon is ation of islam against you. the stars of david shaved into your head. i mean, did the red cross no help? you know there is cross basically when you come, when we are at guantanamo that is cross was, was there actually when we are right, the 1st woman,

but they wouldn't do it and i was talking to them. what was going on here the week? i don't, i think we can, we need a parcel right that. so after that, like months i finally was talking to them said guys, look what happened last year. they said, we have agreement with dana state. we are not allowed to talk anything to the media to anyone else. anything has to go to the media has to go 1st to the entanglement i have to give as a physician sort of a medium went like the thought was happening, the hunger strike the mr. thing everyone was having the, i see, i see why there. but, and, and we know most of the things that we wrote like a letter to the i see, i see signed by around like 400 detainees. ask them to leave more than one official letter from a sick west because when they, when doing their it just give liquidity. i remember one day i wasn't the 1st feeding. and then 5 as of like one of the i c r c a. what bikes did any guy when yesterday i call in when he saw me, like cover his eyes. what's wrong with it?

he said, we are not allowed to see you guys because, you know, basically when we are citing the conversation used to move us to one of the camps that i see are see a mit mit us or stopped us even even the in belgrade or in other places when the c, i used to hire a business, they were to come to other places during the i see i see visit. i see as he knows about it. but as long as they do see it, like they can not to coordinate. well the, i see, i see say that the, the role of it is an independent non judgmental humanitarian organization to regularly assess facilities speak with attorneys, maintain ongoing dialogue with us authorities in order to offer observations and make recommendations where appropriate. while the i see, i see monitors the conditions of internment at guantanamo the responsibility of an ensuring the bus was held there, and he treated you. may me lies with the u. s. authorities. i mean, if you go to back to the report, talk about the church,

i was going to have it everywhere and i see i think what they're watching, everything they know that have been done with since years and years like on the i c r c because there was no, any kind of rule for because during, even like when you know, middle to what, what kind of the one second house with the i c, r c was there understand time they used, they was like that a business where i came from different parts of the world, and i see as you see them, we were hunger strike. there's a lot of case that comes with that 1st grade became shocking yelling. i see i see a lot about it. but as i told you, they kind of b o a who can tell when they approved idea by the u. s. government and you say the letters were used against prisoners who wrote to family members. the red cross has messages contain only family news in a check by the us authorities to ensure this is the case. it corresponds to standard worldwide practice. you mentioned jeffrey miller, the general who won

a distinguished service medal after his activities in guantanamo, if him actually are working on that one who has, you know, what when he went to or what he did. he's the one who started to share their starting level. but even at a place it there. so he actually, he started developing it, then has interrogation technique or the afternoon at 1 10 am. then after that he went to the sensitive by our oppressive throw to it up to get with it. you mentioned your friend, whether there and, or your asking. the red cross about is death. as you know, i mean, tell me, tell me about your friend. and obviously they said it was suicide and i understand what that is. that they broke his back while he was being forced, you know, one line, one of the interesting is leader who actually started it was in line. and before that started, you know, gathering people and encouraging everyone to 100 strike or a dozen people to can 5 to come sick. and he was also left by

a team and had to spec from the garza everyone. so at that time they didn't want to, it kind of like a protest. her 2nd what was going on because it was in a 9, we will move to so you can find me in 5, i'm sick. so i start running the people try to, again to room like what is our situation as well? he was moved to when they call it a unit or the 2nd unit, what they psychologist actually or function. we heard the news that here on hunger strike and he was treated, i wrote the letter to the general at that time for like 4 pages asking to bring what black back and we will take care of him. but he was sick and so on. after that, i was in like the 1st feeling we get the news that buy back was broken in and he's got to to walk

a chair and i think yes he was calling his me 2 weeks later, we heard the news that he died. so i took a brother who was with him in the same place. i said to some possible like kind himself because he was what they call under direct watch. what like 24 hours, the guards watch him and like 2 cameras in the cell. so when i talk to the i, c r c, i don't like some possible because they have, they have to investigate the brothers. i have got to work there. i have actually the medical stuff. and one of the brother he said, you said like no like they took 45 minutes till the medic arrived, to actually to, to respond to it, to the coal and he was left there. so basically it's still, it's a mystery. is that what they call in like, oh, but this has gotten, i called it a mistake, is that? yeah, well, you name names in here and obviously there are lots of death. many people did die.

do you think michael bum gonna killed the 3 day tany, or was it a cover up a scott horton, a journalist, you thank in the book alleges that of course, general michael bomb gonna says it was a blatant misrepresentation. you know that colonel, he is the 1st one who b a break our hunger 2nd 2005. after he bought the hunger strike, he was talking about there is like i said, i am one of the brothers. he said, we have heard that you have some like dishes or dreams that you, whenever you want to 10 of your favorite any di here. like, what would it be an answer to that after a few weeks where like the of the brothers died, the same way hen got their hand tied behind him. at the same time, it's impossible to coordinate such ag at the same time, like in the same manner i was in the sand like when they took,

when i didn't mean like 12 o'clock and then night like like, like any other day. but what i notice when i wake up, there's like different than the same guns, like different gods. the young that much, it was a little there any more. they messed him. and i heard the one is pre, when i hear what they were screened like was going on there. like they said yes. and i like it's like mary, no, i have it because then when i wasn't when they took yes or from your so some possible because the man his hand tied behind his back, both his leg was tight and it is like a washcloth from his mouth. so basically this the way they used to gain any mentor they failed, stop you that more from 4, we're going to have them a detainee for, for one. after this break,

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welcome back. i'm still here with months or a day feel for of don't forget us here. lost and found to guantanamo, tell me about when you were interrogated. i mean, so many times so many hunger strikes. so many meetings in this book, what of what you thought when you saw israeli badges on the interrogators? what were the israeli interrogated doing where they israelis and then to get to sometime they became like, wearing a patch there on the uniform on those instigators. they are b, good english. so i'm not just that like, i'm like when, when the 1st p d. i was talking to the one of the nurses and she told me, i told her i didn't want that nurse to me personally. she said, what do you mean as like scott, but they didn't where they haven't been it. so there are you one. i said what? so basically it is a facility for, for any garcia gates are saunders psychologists, everyone. and i guess that there was like a satanic room like

a dark room and there like a lot of stars in science in them. they is like a snake. sometimes they cover us when you like, when we break, they would cover us with american flags, right. if that is kind of like communication and try to block, you would try to pressure to that to that, made your senate it wasn't, it wasn't about information, wasn't about american america was more steady. you know, at a place where there's no accountability and a place outside the law. so they have found a place where they kind of think, development their techniques. and that's it. yeah, they would drug in your food. you mentioned the behavioral health unit. what about the sexual abuse? we've heard a lot now in the supreme court. i think there are different cases talking about it . use of female torture is. i'm buttoning their blouses and then cooling you. i'll kind of, they don't look at your breast,

continued for enforce nakedness. what was the role of female torture? is it going to kind of payment was use again, it's attorneys because you know what was the case. we came from a background that like our fi, our, you know, and i think would bother you in think we're here to and think will will bother you and they will do, you know, you know, giving us like it isn't that one of the easiest thing like yes, anybody got even kind of a psychologist that once they make it a famous inter getters, you know they, they, they also said naked, they used to show their press, you know, one of them, one of the, to get the, she was the, some of her pre the blood of the change face and these totes, to sit in the detainees and lab, and some of the gators men are female when they have sex in the, in the room. some time there was technique in open the licks entertained. like,

would you like to be to heaven many, many stories and i, you know, some of the problem they don't want to come out and they can still get to reagan. a stroke issues might have been there, sexual harass rate, had been that want to well they, they, they suddenly weaponized to slum, throwing the crohn's around, and destroying them, and so on. i mean, what is it your understanding they were brainwashed or the u. s. education system is, is useless. i mean, it comes out they, they know nothing about the rest of the world, the less than you came from yemen to study information technology wanting a career in information technology. you were a they were able to joke with one of the interrogators in my, the aladdin and sorcery just because it was thundering outside the weather. now those guards with it before when they get to come to want to go on and on when they have no idea, you know, they have your files for those information,

for 5 guards. also at the same time, like with the army guards, they came from, you know, people who have it education or they have no idea about this now or are out of control. also the way you know and ministry, they also engineer the mindset that the guards on the so just to be loyal to the cause of the system or whatever. so before they sent them to blanket, they would take them to the ground 0 in york. and they would tell them the one who did the no one who did this, and i'm no gosh, those got to the right hand one time, full pay and grades and thinking that they are, you know, that would, they would also tell them this is the front line you are in, this is a war zone here. and imagine that the docs towards it is on here. and any action by cheney, what they can be as like an actual tourism, like they used to put on a cell in guantanamo. and if we're going to hinder cycle throat

as they did like your nose and you had again to sustain a steak, you're trying to bring a country down like even doesn't forget us on kind of most and does it, does he like they have the narrative? some of the gods when they live with us, like for humans observing, dance, watching us. they have a change, you know, they felt like they were introduction about was done going there. because anyway, you wouldn't know a person. is he a killer or a bad person? but we live with that person for a few months, watching them leaving, eating, praying, crying, or sharing. i guess they are human after. oh, before. oh so you have your own degree. so some of that got some funding with us. some of the like actually starting to follow the rules, but the system is $71.00 time or even the guards were victims of the system at one time because not just the twenty's or brought us was it gets to what kind of but

also some of the guards from them to get some kind of stuff or so victims because they were forced to something that against their hicks and laurels, or a big personals. and some of those guys were forced to for share any. so when we're done, you already, they had the d s, d from toys in was the u. s. has been defeated in iraq and afghanistan because you see them revolves around you with this so long. you know, one of the sentiment at one time i was some of the guards, there was oregon and we call them so when they went to tour sorta, so when they came back, when they came back, they're going to send person again. you will see a broken so not the broken person person. and this with like a book and he, so something had happened to them. so we're, we were talking about, we were talking about those doris. what's happening to them? because we remember the worst, the good guys, some of them get killed,

some of them come at the side of them become homeless. some of them, you know, listening limbs. so actually, you know, those guard where are those. so guess what? train you to fight, but they will never structed or give any advice how to deal with. so basically they were used and their id, they also have in the system. well, the upper classes in that class system arguably, obviously deny them. they own the names in the book general michael dunn, lady of mcqueen that the navy says an interrogation. this is an erie times news article in 2011. he says interrogations were consistent with the geneva convention . he won the distinguished service medal as well just as an adult mcqueen. in general, the navy became a judge in pennsylvania. what, what do you say to the fact that these people are always saying that the geneva convent, i presume that i mean the geneva conventions because no one were abided by. you

know, i think it's american version, you can fix it. they had their own version because what you like about once i don't want them shouldn't exist in the 1st place to place out of sight of the instead of call them if you know, you should call them prisoner world. and then actually, but they called him to, can you, they didn't have to write, you know, at one time we, we have seen on that, not a lot of problems with them if you commission and song, because there's no law apply at one time. and i think a lot will be a loan of get a conviction that and, and condition of law basically when they say that, i mean, you have to confess, i didn't think you'd have to convince you, allow to a prisoner a mental history for 20 years. and different decision without you, right or trial orientation that was kind of what i'm going to now is a simple oh for sure. who just this lawlessness of your power in dividend detention . you know what, they don't know, like it's different kind of get you to many places around the world when the black

sites may be open, we don't, we don't know, and you say biden is not shut it down. don't let us there. was it going to, it was a black site in the local, but i would like to ask if you ask those, you know, to the also we have like a confession that like sites even if you die you guy in the way i can vision the same time so erotically, that's what, how was it an education for you? i know a one time you tell us l neighbors a carrier that they can tell you anything. there's a 105 year old as a salary learns driver cook a professor, very big. a journalist or i presume so may judge, was in education for you. is that why you're going to become one of the great writers of this century? who knows? you know, the case is just to every human being that would lift the person as a person like you just because you know the worst thing a stick, whether it's, you know, worse or starvation concern because it is the dark side that he might be there like

based on ignorance, so it was like since i was a one time when i found myself in 2010, you know, i know it's not you can find, i told myself, i don't to be the same person for, for the rest of my life. so we started with become negotiating with, become them station for education, for english class is to get to pluses are plus as less skills or so. and also obama send a delegation to $110.00. i'm to make it look good because i think he knew it is that he won't be able to close it. they've missed some of the conditional core conditions around like 40 pages to change the, like i said, want to know that got him station. they don't want to have life. some of the are most of the thinking recommendation. again, we actually weren't like a hunger strike then that many people germany brought us join us with stuff i'm

shipping with the conversation. i come to like we got at least what we need now we want it and we knew it were like going up what i wasn't going to close. so at least we can have, you know, the some piece at that place. so we have a, we have some of your work, i think. yeah, yeah. so some of the artwork. so what, when you started talking to that i can kind of about the class. you said you guys are a tourist, you know how to pen. you know, it's ok i'm, we have some of the others to print something and we show them i like that. oh yes . then we started like after class, it was a lot of you know, demanding and asking and typing it. i think i'm easy honestly, and this was the one that would want to know. this is kind of like rules, rules change every almost every 2 weeks. it does, it does have 16 days of what they call standardization. whoever seizure,

gender on $84.00 times like average once, if it to week. so when you kind of, when the new administration arrive at once, and i'm this year when i buy them, when they lecture, it's one of the worst time at one time in your calendar, right? and they have their own a mission and vision health one become that you the rules. and it is hard to the brother of 20 years after 1000 years to come to change the rules and make new facilities. and he was an instrument and if not, well, let us know of information as you headed from you saying one done one to the biden to ministration. i know you're wearing the guantanamo orange color there in belgrade. you know, under the castro government they said, go down, always occupied cuba. tell me, i suppose finally about how cuban iguanas say with you. because the market, like i think last year,

the american difference looked up in about the human rights in cuban the same time, they committed one of the major human a listen in the, in the, and the tv in 70 went on our end. so, you know, and one to know when you, when you look in started confinement, i mean, as i told you, everything i designed there to bring to your mind of your body. i think like i bought control, which i guess what you control control everything, the air, the water thought the like the time everything. so we aren't allowed to thought they would really loud and big fan vacuums, internet earth, everything i spent most. and so they can find, i couldn't talk to one of the brothers, so i must feel. i'm a social person. i like to talk like a social people. when i get out to the wreck,

everything was close green. i solely those the glass. what came looking for for food? so yes, i start talking to them and i just a normal conversation that good listen. so actually say listen. so in that i was like, he was like, i have a mental a problem. i'm thinking of that they got that unit and i asked if they need to get that they have to talk to my investigators. well, i think thank you. thank you so much for having me today. and the shit, or guy that's for the show will be back a wednesday for a season finale when we speak to the legendary pink floyd front by and roger waters about the year of nato nation and justice, including the torture incarceration of wiki leaks found at julian a sorry job to reports of his stroke in a london prison. until then keep in touch my social media. let us know whether you think guantanamo bay will ever close.

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