i see by the usa, the author of don't forget us here, lost and found to guantanamo, was swept up by us, linked warlords in the cia in afghanistan. 18 year old man soon became detainee for, for one was held at guantanamo for 14 years without charge. you a discretion was advised to some may be disturbed by us treatment of prisoners discussed in this interview. ventura duffy joins me now from belgrade in sylvia men . so welcome to going under ground. i suppose we better stop given the, i know from the law is that people watch this show in guantanamo bay, torture camp, prison, whatever. it's called a 1st a message i suppose from you to the people still in there. yeah. first of all, thank you for how are you today and is the 2nd i'm actually actually are to you one of the favorites. you're not going to know because the other side of the wall. and before i start, i would like to send them a message or my brother said guantanamo to take a le bradshaw to his son, to hide it, to where i had to everyone. i shall, as soon you will,

he will leave. and we hadn't forgotten about you unless i hadn't without it bless you all. and i any of those people, they're all welcome on the show to hopefully they get out of that hell hole soon, half your life destroyed. how did you even write such a book? so he, on the process of writing that book started at going to 2010 until 2013. but bo, i like to address a documentary book in this book. it was confiscated, it shared their team by the cannon station when the army took over, they let down us in their confinement and confiscated all our belongings. so and they took, they took, they committed the book. it was like, i was really had a screaming like bring my child back because they have worked so hard story is and i went to try it from different perspective, a different angle and a different way. i went to write as a reader, as writer, i wrote about the,

the brothers, the guy that comes to the animal, say, one us. then, you know, i bought life a survival. oh, you know, and i'm, so i tried to, you know, like i said, if i can manage to capture those moments of deal with young hub and bring it to light. well, i tell you, it was one of the great prison ma'am, was regardless of the politics arguably. i mean, just just a recap. and i know you've talked about this elsewhere. basically, us public money was given to the cia used to buy you from afghan was kidnapped to you. they, i was told you to say you were al qaeda. how many were killed? do you know how many were killed by the cia before the transportation to guantanamo in the 1st place before they narratives, gods in the book even you know, just wanted to show you this week. nobody knows how many people actually in prison

like this. yeah. or died under the torture, because rendition have been, as you know, what they call dishes, actually 90 they in they have, they had many gales in like scans contacts, dan jordan and, and elsewhere. i mean, when i went all the way, but we don't know all the names of the countries. so why wasn't do it when i was writing stories about the book and then also my brothers. they interrogates until shirt depot, everywhere in space on the atlas. and the aircraft carriers, ocean the only way as i like only the space they haven't been able to shut the door, shut them in to get them believe that's it. because everywhere, everywhere in the book, details continuous to watch, a fake execution. the youngest detainee was 3 months old, the oldest 105 years old of you. i think what shocked people and it shocked us, i suppose is our, the red cross comes you say you say that you wrote to the,

the road to have the international committee for the red cross to be removed from guantanamo, claiming that the red cross is only purpose was to give the jitter, missy, to what the americans would doing out they, they say they helped you, they, but do they know of your hunger strikes? you're feeding jazz, you're the weapon. i zation of islam against you. the stars of david shaved into your head. i mean, did the red cross no help? no, there's cross. basically. when you come in, when we are at guantanamo that is cross. what was there actually when we are right? the 1st woman, but they wouldn't do it and i was talking to them, what was going on here? we can do, and i think we can, we need a parcel right that. so after that, like months i finally was talking to them said guys, look what happened last year. they said, we have agreement with dana state. we are not allowed to talk anything to the media to anyone else. anything has to go to the media has to go 1st to the tag on i have

to give us a position to look at a medium. went like the torso was happening, the hunger strike the mr thing ever was happening that i see. i see why there, but, and, and we know most of the things that we wrote like a letter to the i see, i see signed by around like 400 detainees. ask them to leave one in an official letter from a sick west. because when they, when doing their it just get like a chrissy. i remember one day i wasn't the 1st feeding. and then 5 as of like one of the i c r c a. what might sid, any guy, when i call in when he saw me, like cover his eyes? what's wrong with it? he said, we are not allowed to see you guys because, you know, basically when we are also under psychotic, under stress and used to move us to one of the camps that i, c, r. c, a mit mit us or talk to us even even the in belgrade or in other places where the c, i used to hire the change they would own business, they would take him to other places during the i see i see visit. i see as he knows

about it, but as long as they do see it, like they cannot to coordinate. well the, i see, i see say that the role of it is an independent non judgemental humanitarian organization to regularly assess facilities speak with attorneys, maintain ongoing dialogue with us authorities in order to offer observations and make recommendations where appropriate. wiley, i see i see monitors the conditions of internment, guantanamo the responsibility of an ensuring the person is held there, indeed treated you may me lies with the us authorities. i mean, if you go to back to the report, talk about the tertiary gunton and we can do it everywhere. and i think what they're watching, everything a little that have been done with since years and years like on the i c r c because there was no any kind of rule for because during, even like when you know, middle to wiley, whatever, the one who started in house with m, i c r c was there in the same time they used, they were like,

the people are business, we're writing from different parts of the world. and i see you see them. we were hunger strike. there's a lot of case in the comes or is that per spray? it became shouting, yelling. i see, i see that about it. but as i told you, they cannot speak. oh, i can tell what they have left id by that. yes. and you say the letters were used against prisoners who wrote to family members. the red cross has messages contain only family news and a check by the us authorities to ensure this is the case that corresponds to standard worldwide practice. you mentioned jeffrey miller, the general who won a distinguished service medal of to his activities in guantanamo, you're actually working on the one who has, you know, what, when he went to what he did, he's the one who started a even at a place it there. so actually he started developing then has integration technique or the ad wanted m. then after that he went to sensitive by our president,

told to it up to get with it. you mentioned your friend was there and your asking the red cross about his death. as you know, i mean tell me, tell me about your friend. and obviously they said it was suicide. and yet i understand what that it, that they broke his back while he was being forced. you know, what much one of the interesting is leader who actually started it was in line in the front that started, you know. ready gathering people and a hunger strike or a dozen people to can 5 to come sick. and he was also left by a suspect from the guards and everyone. so at that time they didn't want to it kind of like a protest or 2nd that was going on because it was in a 9, we will move to such a confinement in 5, i'm sick. so am i start running the people try to,

again to like to what is our situation as islam he was moved to the when they call it be it's you behavioral health unit or dissector unit. what they, psychologists actually are function. we heard the news that he's on hunger strike and he was cheated. i want the letter to the general at that time for like 4 pages asking to bring what black back and we, we will take care of him because he was sick and so on. after that, i was in like the 1st feeling and we get the news that buy back was broken in. and he got to to walk a chair on i think, yes, he was calling his me 2 weeks later, we heard the news that he died. so i took the brother who was with him in the same place. i said to some possible like kind himself because he was when they go under

direct watch, what like 24 hours, the guys watch him and like 2 cameras in the cell. so when i talk to the i, c r c as in, like some possible because they have, they have to investigate the brothers. i have got to work there. i have actually the medical to stop. and one of the brother he said, you said like no like they took 45 minutes until the medic arrived to actually to, to respond to it, to the coal and he was left there. so basically it's still, it's a mystery. is that what they call and like, oh, but this has gotten i called a mistake that yeah, well, you name names in here and obviously there are lots of death. many people did die. do you think michael bum gonna killed the 3 day tany, or was it a cover up a scott horton, a journalist, you thank in the book alleges that of course, general michael bomb gonna says it was a blatant misrepresentation. you know that colonel, he is the 1st one who v a brake our her 2nd 2005. after he bought the hunger strike,

he was talking about there is like i said, i am one of the brothers. he said, we have heard that you have some like dishes or dreams that you, whenever you want to 10 of your favorite any like here, like what would it be an answer to that after a few weeks where like the of the brothers died the same way hen got their hand tied behind him and of the same time it's impossible to coordinate such at the same time, like in the same manner. i was in the sand like when they took when i didn't me like 12 o'clock. and then night, like like, like any other day. but what i notice when i wake up there's like different and then the same. got like different gods. the oh you know that much. it was a little there anymore. they admitted them and i heard the one is pre when i hear what they were screen like was going on there and like they said yes or died like

nightmare. no, i haven't because then when i wasn't when they took yes or from your so some possible because the man his hand tied behind his back, both his leg was tight and he's like, they took a washcloth from his mouth. so basically listen to what they used to interrogate detainee mentor a failed. stop you that more from former guantanamo detainees for, for one after this break. ah, a

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80 the enough mrs. guns until sunday. welcome back. i'm still here with months or a day free author of don't forget us here. lost and found a guantanamo. tell me about when you were interrogated. i mean, so many times so many hunger strike. so many meetings in this book, what of what you thought when you saw israeli badges on the interrogators? what were the israeli interrogated doing? were they israelis? and then to get to sometime they, they, they became more like wearing in for with this idea patch. they're on the uniform and those instigators they see are big and english. so i'm not just that, like, i'm like when we're in the 1st meeting, i was talking to the one of the nurses and she told me, i told her, i don't want that nurse to read me for screaming. he said, what do you mean as like a discussion, but been where they haven't been it? so there's really one. i said what?

so this is a facility for, for any garcia, gator saunders, psychology, everyone. and i guess that there was like a satanic room. like dark room and they're like a lot of stars in science in them they is like what i sneak it. sometimes they cover us when you like, when we pray they would cover us with american flag oversight. if that is kind of like commission and try to before you try to pressure to that to that, made your senate it wasn't, it wasn't a bunch formation, wasn't about american america was more steady. you know, at a place where there's no accountability and a place outside the law. so they have found a place where they kind of think development, there's techniques and that's it. yeah, they would drug in your food. you mentioned the behavioral health unit. what about the sexual abuse? we've heard a lot now in the supreme court. i think there are different cases talking about it

. use of female torture is. i'm buttoning their blouses and then cooling you. i'll kind of, they don't look at your breast, continued for enforce nakedness. what was the role of female torture is at guantanamo payment. it was use again. it's attorneys, because as you know, what was the case, we came from a background that like our fee our, you know, and i think will bother you. i think we're here to you and think will, will bother you. and they will, do, you know, you know, giving us like it isn't that one of the easiest thing like, yes, anybody that got even kind of a psychologist that once they make it a famous inter getters, you know, they, they, they also said naked, they used to show their press, you know, one of them, one of the, to get the, she was in some, her pre the blood and what does that one of the detainees face? and they used to also sit on the detainees in lab. and some of the gators mid on

came in. when for them they have a sex in the room sometime that was to make it open to like understand like would you like to be to have many, many stories and like, you know, some of the probably don't want to come out and you could still look to legal issues, i could have been there for us. i had been one of well they, they, they certainly weaponized to slum, throwing the crohn's around and destroying them and so on. i mean, what is it your understanding they were brainwashed or the u. s. education system is, is useless. i mean, it comes out they, they know nothing about the rest of the world, the less than you came from yemen to study information technology, wanting a career in them, in information technology. you were a they were able to joke with one of the interrogators about aladdin and sorcery just because it was thundering outside the weather. you know,

those guards well it before we get to come to want to go on and on. when they have no idea you may have your files for those information, for 5 guards. also at the same time, like new york city and the army guards, they came from, you know, people who have in good education or they have no idea about this now or are out of control. also the way you know and ministry, they also engineer the mindset that the guards get to be loyal to the cause of the system or whatever. so before they sent them to blanket, they would take them to the ground 0 at new york. and they would tell them the one who did a bunch of them. so no, gosh, those got to the right hand one time, full pay and grades and thinking they are, you know, there were, there was also tell them, this is the front line. you are in, this is a war zone here. and imagine that the gods towards it is on here. and any ashton,

my teeth, what they can be as like an actual tourism, or like they used to put on a cell in guantanamo. and if we're going to hinder cycle throat, as they did like you are announcing, you had to get a status. thank you. i'm trying to bring a country down like even doesn't to get us on kind of most and does it, does he like they have the same narrative, some of the gods when they live with us, like for a few months, observing, dance, watching us. they have a change that they found, like they were contradicting about what's going on there. because anyway, you wouldn't know a person. is he a killer or a bad person? but we live with that person for a few months, watching them stealing, eating, praying, crying or sharing. as to him, i guess they are human after all, over the world. so you have your own degree. so some of the got some funding with us, some of the like actually starting to follow the rules. but the system is

a victims of the system at one time because and i guess the twenty's or brought us was it gets to what kind of but also some of the gars from them to get some kind of stuff were so big because there were 1st to the something that, again, is there a, or a big principles and some of those guys were forced to, for shelter. mckinney. so when, when they had the d. s. d from toys in was the u. s. has been defeated in iraq and afghanistan because you see them revolves around you with this so long. you know, one of the sentiment at one time i was some of the guards that was oregon and we call them so when they went to tour sorta, so when they came back, when they came back, they're going to send person again. you will see a broken so that the broken 1st person and this with like a book and he so something that happened to them. so we're, we were talking about,

we were talking about those doris. what happened to them? because we remember the worst, the good guys, some of them got killed, some of them commit to sides of them became homeless. some of them, you know, listening rems. so actually, you know, those guard where are those soldiers weren't train you to fight, but they were never structed or give any advice how to deal with. so basically they were using and they are id, they also have like in the system. well, the upper classes in that class system arguably, obviously deny them. they are the names in the book general michael dunn, lady of mcqueen that the navy says an interrogation. this is an erie times news article in 2011. he says interrogations were consistent with the geneva convention . he won the distinguished service medal as well. just as an adult mcqueen. in

general, the navy became a judge in pennsylvania. what, what do you say to the fact that these people are always saying that the geneva convent, i presume you mean the geneva conventions because there's no one where abided by, you know, i think is american version. you can fix it. they had their own version because what you like about going to want to know shouldn't exist in the 1st place to place out of sight of the instead of call them if you should call them prisoner. and then that's actually, but they call them to cheney. so they didn't have to write, you know, at one time we, we have seen on that, not a lot of problems with them. if you commission and song, because it's no law apply at one time. and rick, a law will be alone and get a confession. and condition of low basically, when they said that, i mean you have to fish, i didn't think you need to convince you, allow to a prisoner a mentor to the history for 20 years and different petition without you, right, or trial or fish that will kind of what i'm going to now is a simple for sure who just this lawlessness of power in the detention. you know

what? i don't know like it's different kind of get pushy too many places around the world when the black sites may be open. we don't, we don't know, and you say biden is not jotted down a black side of local, but i would like to ask if you ask those you don't video. so we have like a confession, the black sites, even if you die, you die in the way unit conversion the same time. so erotically, that's what it, how was it an education for you? i know one time you tell a cell neighbor as a carrier that they can tell you anything that 105 year old is about latins driver, a cook professor of arabic agenda. israel g here, i presume. so may judge. i was in education for you, is that why you're going to become one of the great writers of this century? who knows? you know, the question is essential to every human being. that's what lift the person as

a person like it is because you know, the worst thing to continue with right now for worse and starvation concern because it is the dark side with energy. so once i was like, since i wasn't a special special one time when i found myself in 2010, you know, i know a, here's the instructor confinement i told myself, i don't to be the same person for the rest of my life. so we started with them stations for education, for english class is to get to plus s. r plus is lack skills. and so, and also when i send a delegation to 110, i'm to make it look good because i think he knew it is that he won't be able to close it. a condition around like 40 pages to change the, like i said once, and i'm a most of the thinking recommendation again,

we actually weren't like a hunger strike. then many people only brought us join us was talking shit with the conversation. i can tell you like we got at least what we need, we wanted and we knew what we'd like to know what i wasn't going to close. so at least we can have, you know, if the some piece at that place. so we have a, we have some of your work, i think. yeah, yeah. so some of the artwork. so what, when you started talking to that, i'm kind of all about the class. you said you guys are a tourist, you know how to pen. you know, is it ok i'm, we ask them about us to been something. can we show them? i like that. oh yes. then we started like after class, it was a lot of, you know, the mending and asking and typing it. i think i'm easy honestly. and this was the one that would want to know the kind of like rules rules changed every,

almost every 2 weeks. it does, it does have 16 days over what they call stand a written rubber seizure gender on $84.00 times like average once, if we so when you kind of, when the new administration arrive at once, and i'm not sure if even like any this year when by them when that lecture, it's one of the worst time at one time in your calendar, right. and they have their own a vision house, one become that you the rules. and it is hard on the brother of 20 years after 1000 years to come to the rules and making us all these annuals and interest meant. and if not, well, let us know of information as you get it from you saying one down, one to the by the ministration. i know you're wearing the guantanamo orange color there in, in belgrade, you know, under the castro government they said, go down, always occupied cuba. tell me,

i suppose finally about how cuban iguanas say with you because of the market like, you know, i think last year the american difference was talking about the human rights in human same time. they committed one of the major a violation in the, in the, in the caribbean or 70, went to them like our and so, you know, and going to know when you, when you look inside the confinement. i mean, as i told you, everything can design their full blanket. don't, don't separate your mind of your, your body. i think like i bought control, which i guess what, you control control everything, the air, the water thought the like the time. everything. so we aren't allowed to thought they were really loud and big fan, vacuums, internet earth, everything i spent most. and so the confining,

i couldn't talk to one of the brothers. so i missed people. i'm a social person. i like to talk like a social people. when i get out to the reg. everything was close grades are only those iguanas who came looking for, for food. so yes, i start talking to them and i just a normal conversation that good listen. so actually say listen, so in that i was like he was like, i have a mental a problem. i'm thinking of that they got that unit and i asked if they need to get that they have to talk to my investigators. well, i think thank you. thank you so much for having me today. and the shit, or guy that's over the show will be back a wednesday for a season finale. when we speak to the legendary pink floyd front by roger waters about the year of nato nation and justice, including the torture incarceration of wiki leaks, found julian assign job to reports of his stroke in a london prison until then keep it just try social media and let us know whether you think good time obey will ever close

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