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son, 18 year old man soon became detainee 441 was held in guantanamo for 14 years without charge you a discretion was advised to somebody be disturbed by us treatment of prisoners discussed in this interview. ventura duffy joins me now from belgrade in sylvia. man, so welcome to going under ground. i suppose we better stop given the, i know from a law is that people watch this show in guantanamo bay, torture camp, prison, whatever. it's called a 1st a message i suppose from you to the people still in there. yeah, 1st of all, thank you for joining me today. and is the 2nd time actually actually are to you. one of their favorite channel is going to know because it shows the other size of the world. and before i start, i would like to send them a message or my brother at guantanamo de la bradshaw, to central hot it to where i had everyone. i shall assume you will. he will leave and we hadn't forgotten about you unless i had without a bless you all. and i any of those people,
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they're all welcome on the show to hopefully, they get out of that hell hole soon, half your life destroyed. how did you even write such a book? so he, on the process of writing that book started at going to 2010 until 2013. but both, i like to address a documentary book in this book that it was confiscated. it shared their team by the cannon station when the army took over, they let down us in their confinement and confiscated all our belongings. so and they took, they took, they committed the book. it was like, i was really had a screaming like bring my child back because they have worked so hard story is and i went to try it from different perspective and different angle and a different way. i went to write as a reader, as writer, i wrote about the, the brothers, the garden that comes to the animalistic one us. then, you know,
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i bought like a survival. oh, you know, and i'm, so i try to, you know, like i said, if i can manage to capture those moments of beauty and hub and bring it to light. when i tell you it was one of the great prison memoirs, regardless of the politics arguably. i mean just in just a recap and i know you've talked about this elsewhere. basically, us public money was given to the cia used to buy you from afghan, was a kidnapped to you. they, i was told you to say you were al qaeda. how many were killed? do you know how many were killed by the cia before the transportation to guantanamo in the 1st place before they narratives, gods in the book? even you know, this one of the challenges with nobody knows how many of you will actually in prison like this. yeah. or died under torture because this should have been as you know, what they call dish is actually not in
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a in they have they have many gales like guns contacts, dan, jordan and, and elsewhere. i mean, when i wasn't totally but we don't know all the names of the countries. so why wasn't do it when i was writing a story about the book and then also my brothers. they interrogate until shar gable everywhere in the space on the atlas. and the aircraft carriers, ocean the only way as i like only the space they haven't been able to shut the door, shut them and get them believe that's it. because everywhere, everywhere in the book, details continuous to watch, a fake execution. the youngest detainee was 3 months old, the eldest, a 105 years old of you. i think what shocked people and it shocked us, i suppose is out of the red cross comes you say you say that you wrote to the the road to have the international committee for the red cross to be removed from guantanamo, claiming that the red cross has only purpose was to give the jetta,
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missy, to what the americans would doing out they, they say they helped you. they but do they know of your hunger strikes? you're feeding jazz your weapon. i zation of islam against you. the stars of david shaved into your head. i mean, did the red cross no help? you know, there is cross basically when you come, when we are going to know that it cross was, was there actually when we are right, the 1st woman, but they wouldn't do it and i was talking to them. what was going on here the week? i don't, i think we can, we need a parcel right that. so after that, like most of them, we were talking to them said guys, look what happened last year. they said, we have agreement with dana state. we and that allowed to talking to the media to anyone else. anything has to go to the media has to go 1st to the intech on. i have to give us a position sort of a medium. went like the thought was happening, the hunger strike the mr. evan was having the i, c, r c y there. but and,
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and we know most of the things that we wrote like a letter to the i see, i see signed by around like 400. did you ask them to leave one official letter from request because when they were doing their it just yet liquidity. i remember one day i wasn't the 1st feeding as a blood one of the i c r c a. what might sid any guy? when yesterday i call in when he saw me like cover his eyes. what's wrong with it? he said, we are not allowed to see you guys because, you know, basically when we are psychotic under stretching, used to move us to other camps that i see are see a mit, mit us, or talk to us, even even the in belgrade or in other places when i used to hire a business, they would take him to other places during the i see i see visit. i see as he knows about it. but as long as they do see it, like they can not important. well the,
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i see, i see say that the role of it is an independent non judgemental humanitarian organization to regularly assess facilities speak with attorneys, maintain ongoing dialogue with us authorities in order to offer observations and make recommendations where appropriate. wiley, i see i see monitors the conditions of internment, guantanamo the responsibility of an ensuring the persons held there, indeed treated you may me lies with the us authorities. i mean, if you go back to the report, talk about the torch, are going to get everywhere and i think what they're watching everything, and they know that having them with since years and years like on the i c r c because there was no any kind of rule for because during, even like when you know, middle to what, what kind of the one who stuck in house with m. i c r c was there, understand time they used, they were like that people are business. we're writing from different parts of the world, and i see you see them. we were hunger strike. there's
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a lot of cases that comes with that 1st grade became shouting, yelling. i see, i see a lot about it. but as i told you, they cannot speak. oh, i can tell what they approved by the, by the u. s. government, and you say that is used against prisoners who wrote to family members. the red cross has messages contain only family news and a check by the us authorities to ensure this is the case that corresponds to standard worldwide practice. you mentioned jeffrey miller, the general who won a distinguished service medal after his activities in guantanamo freeman. and actually working on that one who has, you know, what, when he went to what he did, he's the one who started a even at a place it there. so actually he started developing enhanced interrogation technique or the at wanted m. then after that he went to sensitive by our process to get up to get with it. you mentioned your friend was there and your
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asking the red cross about his death. as you know, i mean tell, tell me about your friend, and obviously they said it was suicide and i understand what that it, that they broke his back while he was being forced. you know, what, one of the interesting is leader who actually started it was in line before that started, you know, gathering people and encouraging everyone to go on hunger strike or a dozen people to can 5 to come sick. and he was also left by a team and had to spec from the guards and everyone. so at that time they didn't want to it kind of like a protest. her 2nd thought was going on because we 2009 we will move to. so you can find me in 5, i'm sick. so am i start running the people try to, again to room like what is our situation as well? he was moved to the when they call it be if you behavioral health unit or the
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2nd unit, what they, psychologists actually are function. we heard the news that he's on hunger strike and he was cheated. i want the letter to the general at that time for like 4 pages, ask him to bring what black back and we will take care of him. but he was sick and so on. after that, i was in like the 1st feeling and we get the news that buy back was broken in. and he got to to walk a chair on i think yes, he was calling his me to weeks later, we heard the news that he died. so i took the brother who was with him in the same place. i said this is possible like kind yourself because he was what they called under direct watch. what like 24 hours the guys watch him and like 2 cameras in the cell. so when i talk to the i, c r c, i don't like some possible because they have,
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they have to investigate the brothers. i have got to work there. i have actually the medical stuff. and one of the brother he said, you said like no like they took 45 minutes until the medic arrived to actually to, to respond to it, to the coal and he was left there. so basically it's still, it's a mystery. is that what they call in, like all the did, has gotten i called a mistake, is that yeah, well, you name names in, in here, and obviously there are lots of death. many people did die. do you think michael bum gonna killed the 3 day tay knees, or was it a cover up a scott horton, a journalist you thank in the book alleges that of course general michael bomb gonna says it was a blatant misrepresentation. you know that colonel, he is the 1st one who v a brake our her 2nd 2005. after he bought the hunger strike, he was talking about there is like i said, i am one of the brothers. he said,
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we have heard that you have some like dishes or dreams that you, whenever you want to 10 of your favorite any like here, like what would it be? and then after a few weeks where like the of the brothers died, the same way. hen got their hand tied behind him at the same time, it's impossible to coordinate such ag at the same time, like in the same manner. i was in the sand like when they took when i didn't me like 12 o'clock and then night it like like like any other day. but what i notice when i wake up there's like different and then the same guy like different gods. the oh you know that much, it was a little there any more of them. and i heard the want to scream when i hear what they were screen like was going on there. like they said yes, night like nightmare. no, i haven't because then when i wasn't when they took yes or from your so some
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possible because the man is i be had his back was his leg was tight and it is like they took a washcloth from his mouth. so basically, this the way they used to interrogate danny mentor at a failed stop you that more from former guantanamo detainees for, for one after this break. ah ah, ah ah
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ah, ah, the bike ministration says it believes in diplomacy. well, now it has a chance to prove this. russia is presented to wide ranging proposals to recast and regulate its relations with the west in general, and nato. specifically, we are living in an historic moment. welcome back. i'm still here with missouri day fi author of don't forget us here. lost and found at guantanamo. tell me about when you were interrogated. i mean, so many times so many hunger strike. so many meetings in this book. what of what
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you thought when you saw israeli badges on they interrogators? what were the israeli interrogating with israel and then to get to something they were like wearing a patch or for a good english. so i'm not just that like i'm but like when, when the 1st meeting i was talking to the one of the nurses and she told me, i told her i didn't want that nurse to me personally. she said, what do you mean as a like a new one? i said what? so basically it's a facility for, for cheney garcia, gators, saunders. i kind of yes, everyone. and i guess that there was like a satanic room like dark room and they're like a lot of stars in science. and then they use like a sneak it sometimes they cover us when you like, when we break,
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they would go for us with american flags, right. it is kind of like commission and try to put what you would try to pressure to that made your senate. it wasn't, it wasn't a bunch formation, wasn't about american america was more steady. you know, a place where there's no accountability and a place outside the law. so they have found a place where they can explain development techniques. and that's it. yeah, they would drug in your food. you mentioned the behavioral health unit. what about the sexual abuse? we've heard a lot now in the supreme court. i think there are different cases talking about it . use a female torture is unbuttoning their blouses and then calling you kind of they don't look at your breast continued for enforce nakedness. what was the role of female torture? isn't going to kind of payment was used again to sustain is because as you know, what was the case, we came from a consumer different assignment background and that like our fi, our, you know,
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and i think would bother you. i think we're here to you and think will will bother you and they will do you know, you know, giving us like it isn't that one of the easiest thing like yes, anybody got even kind of a psychologist that once they make it, a famous inventor getters you know, they, they, they used also to naked they used to show their press, you know, one of them, one of the forget to she was a, some of her pre the blood and with the blood of detainees face. and they used to also sit on the detainees in lab, and some of the gators mid on came in. when for them they have sex in the, in the room sometime that was to make it open the licks entertained. like, would you like to have in many, many stories and like, you know, some of the problem they don't want to come out and they could still get to legal issues. might have been their sexual her or had been that want to well they,
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they, they suddenly weaponized islam got throwing the crohn's around and destroying them and so on. i mean, what is it your understanding they were brainwashed or the u. s. education system is, is useless. i mean, it comes out they, they know nothing about the rest of the world, the less than you came from yemen to study information technology, wanting a career in information technology that you were a, they were able to joke with. one of the interrogators that might aladdin and sorcery just because it was thundering outside the weather. you know those guards when it went to get a came to want to go in and when they have no idea, you know, they have your files for those information for 5 guards. also at the same time, like new york city and the army guards, they came from, you know, people who have a good education or they have no idea about this now or are up. so also the way you
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know and ministry, they also engineer the mindset that the guards gets to be loyal to the cause of the system or whatever. so before they sent them to blanket, they would take them to the ground 0 new york. and i would tell them the one who did this at once, a bunch of them. so no gosh, those got to the right hand one time, full pay and grades and thinking they are, you know, there were, there was also tell them, this is the front line you're in, this is a war zone here. and imagine that the docs towards it is on here at any action, my knee, what they can be as like an actual tourism, like they used to put on a cell in guantanamo. and if we're going to hinder cycle, what does it like you're announcing you had to get a status. thank you. i'm trying to bring a country down like even doesn't to get us on kind of most and does it,
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does he like they have the same narrative, some of the gods when they live with us, like for a few months, observing, dance, watching us. they have a change, you know, they felt like they were contradict, come about was done going there because anyway, you wouldn't know a person. is he a killer or a bad person? but we live with that person for a few months, watching them eating, eating, praying, crime, torturing as him. i guess they are human, after all, or before, all. so you have your own degree. so some of the got some funding with us. some of the like actually starting to follow the rules, but the system is set up a victim of the system is one time because not just the keys or brought us was it gives to what kind of but also some of the guards from them to get us some kind of stuff were so big because there were refers to something that against their hicks and morals, or a big principles. and some of those guys were forced to for share any.
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so when we really they had the d s. d from toys in was the u. s. has been defeated in iraq and afghanistan because you see them revolves around you were there so long, you know, one of the sentiment at one time i was some of the guards, there was oregon and we call them so when they went down towards sorta, so when they came back when they came back, they're going to send person again. you will see a broken so not a broken person person. and this with, you know, like we have some book and he, so something had happened to them. so we're, we were talking about, we were talking about those doris. what happened to them? because we remember the worst, the good guys, some of them get killed. some of them commit to side of them became homeless. some of them, you know, listening rems. so actually, you know, those guard where are those soldiers weren't train you to fight,
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but they were never structed or give any advice how to deal with. so basically they were using and they are id, they also have it in the system. well, the upper classes in that class system arguably, obviously deny them. they are the names in the book general michael dunn, lady of mcqueen that the navy says an interrogation. this is an erie times news article in 2011. he says interrogations were consistent with the geneva convention . he won the distinguished service medal as well. just as an adult mcqueen. in general, the navy became a judge in pennsylvania. what do you say to the fact that these people are always saying that the geneva convent, i presume you mean the geneva conventions? because there's no one where abided by. you know, i think is american version. you can fix it. they had their own version. because what you like about going to want to know shouldn't exist in the 1st place to place
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out of sight of the instead of call them if you should call them prisoner. and then actually, but they call them to case to they didn't have to write. you know, at one time we, we have seen on that, not a lot of problems with them if you commission and song, because it's no law apply at one time. and rick, a law will be a loan of get a confession that and condition of low. basically, when they said that, i mean, you have to think you have to convince you, allow to a prisoner a history for 20 years and different petition without you right. of trial or of fish, that kind of what i'm going to now is a simple oh for sure. who just this lawlessness of power in the detention. you know what, i don't know, like it's different kind of get pushy too many places around the world when the black sites may be open. we don't, we don't know, and you say biden is not jotted down a blank side of local, but i would like to ask if you ask those you don't video. so we apply, give
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a confession that black sites, even if you die, you die in the way unit conversion the same time. so erotically, that's what it, how was it an education for you? i know one time you tell a cell neighbor as a carrier that they can tell you anything. there's a 105 year old is about loans driver, a cook, a professor of arabic agenda. israel g here, i presume. so may judge was an education for you, is that why you're going to become one of the great writers of this century? who knows? you know, the question is, it's just up to every human being. that's what lifted person as a person like it is because you know, the worst thing to continue with right now for worse and starvation concern because it is the dark side with. so once i was like, since i wasn't k, the official specific one time when i found myself in 2010, you know,
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i know a, here's the instructor confinement i told myself, i don't want to be the same person for that. for the rest of my life. so we started with them stations for education, for english class is to get to plus s r plus as like skills. and so, and also a send a delegation to going to make it look good. good. because i think he knew he's not, he wouldn't be able to close it. maybe somebody can date recommendations around like 40 pages to change to like 110. i'm a most of the thinking recommendation. again, we actually weren't like a hunger strike then many people only brought us to join us with the conversation. i got the like we got at least what we need. we wanted and we knew what were like going up once i wasn't going to close. so at least we can have, you know, the,
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some piece of that place. so we have a, we have some of your work, i think. yeah, yeah. so some of the artwork. so what, when you started talking to that, i'm kind of all about the class. you said you guys are a tourist, you know, to 10, you know, is it ok i'm, we ask them about us to been something. can we show them? i like that. oh yes. then we started like at last it was a lot of, you know, demanding and asking and typing it. well. i think i'm easy honestly, and this was the one that would want to know the kind of like rules, rules change every almost every 2 weeks. it does, it does have 16 days over what they call stand a written rubber seizure gender on $84.00 times like average once, if we so when you kind of, when the new administration arrive at once, and i'm not sure if even like any this year when biting when,
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when that lecture, it's one of the worst time at one time in your calendar, right. and they have their own, a vision house when they come, that you the rules. and it is hard on the brother of 20 years after 1000 years to come to change the rules and make new or so these annuals and interest meant. and if not, well, let us know of information as you had it from. as you say, going down to one to the by the ministration. i know you're wearing the guantanamo orange color there in the in belgrade, you know, under the castro government they said, go down, always occupied cuba. tell me, i suppose finally about how cuban iguanas say with you, because the market like, you know, i think alias year them in different what of and about the human rights in cuban same time, they committed one of the major a listen in the, in the,
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in the tv in 70 went to them like our and so you know, and one to know when you, when you look in such a confinement, i mean, as i told you everything to design their dual banking. don't separate your mind of your, your body. i think like i bought control, i guess what, you control control everything, the air, the water thought the light and everything. so we aren't allowed to thought they were really loud and big fans vacuum internet hearse everything. and so to can find, i couldn't talk to one of the brothers so i must feel i'm a social person. i like to talk like a social people when it gets out to the bay area was close games are only those iguanas, who came looking for for food. so yes, i start talking to them and i just a normal conversation. good listening. so actually saying, listen,
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so in that i was like he was like, i have a mental a problem. i'm thinking that they got units and i asked if they need to get that they have to talk to my investigators. well, i think thank you. thank you. so much for having me today and the shit, or guy that's over the show will be back a wednesday for a season finale. when we speak to the legendary pink floyd front man, roger waters, the by the year of nato nation and justice, including the torture incarceration of wiki leaks, found julian assign job to reports of his stroke in a london prison. until then keep in touch my social media. let us know whether you think guantanamo bay will ever close. aah! a join me every thursday on the alex salmon. sure. i'll be speaking together from the
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world of politics. sport, business. i'm sure business. i'll see you then. mm. i mean with the city delegated and as you want to talk to, we stand together. we'll continue to stand together against russia. 80 in germany, repeat some of the areas that we don, this may say no to civilians as chunky dawson. it's about their ability to influence other nations, french, u. k. and even latin america and other countries in future than maybe knew where to high from cycle alone with members of your household. so please, please, please, please. we're going to continue to fight. don't do anything. i just need to to do
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