surprised just a few minutes ago, he was asking about the sort of the tone of his english nations with biden, and how respectful and how complimentary he was of that. because at the end of the day, i know that the western media usually portrayed him as the staunch destroyer of western democracy and somebody who wants to see the conscience in europe. but as far as i understand, put in the what's important for him is to secure rushes interest and get things done. rather than, you know, trying to retentions and speculate on, on those tensions. and just to finish off very quickly. i think he firmly believes that many of the issues that we are doing right now i'll just man made their artificial issues with gas prices in europe. the issue of tension between russia and ukraine or russia and nature. he believes that this is something that doesn't

have to be, i mean, they can be so all of them those resources, those energies, read, directed to, you know, something that actually matters for the people. so be just speak very calmly and very clearly all the time. disney, when he's talking about these issues, and it's always impressive whether you like me to know, not the way he's able to talk at length while it's been a long period to experience all it knows. but in terms of just communicating the way he sees things, he seems to have a very clear picture and a lot of issues to the gas issue. for example, a lot of pressure, again from the west saying we believe that russia is done wrong, very calmly responds in the business like fashion. matter of fact, quo we're just, you know, fulfilling our obligations under the contract. you've asked us to fulfill. if you want more gas sign more contracts, that seems quite simple when you, i guess simply i think you can be hot tempered on certain issues, but i think we are at the point when you're just amazed by the russian is often

accused of disinformation and misinformation and our channel is the prime example of that, but you know, it's sometimes amazing how far certain western politicians and western media can go in re framing certain issues. and he actually said he was after the, what is it that the west american doesn't understand about russia? and he said that it's not about misunderstanding. it's about lying still lying. because the issue of gaps, it's pretty clear that russia has nothing to do with that. he said, the gas from one is one of the few companies in the world that have increased its supply see europe. whereas, for example, as eager already mentioned, the american suppliers have diverted gas from the liquefied natural gas from the european markets towards the markets where they can make more money. russia hasn't done that. it in greece did supplies to germany, for example, by 10 percent. but that's not enough, i mean, and the russia is always whenever there is any issue,

any contentious issue or even a domestic problem with the europe and the west in general. i in the habit of sort of resurrecting russia as this year crow to hang all the possible problems on. and you know, you can be irritated by that, but after a certain amount of time, you just stop paying attention. and i think this is the state that will continue is at the moment it's just simply boring. you know, like you to narrow down every problem in the world onto the russia as plotting or evil doing. do you think these press conference has an impact on the west because he's very open. i must be changing in to see what he's saying about these particular issues. but from a, from your experience, following politics very closely, does it have an impact? i just don't switched off. i mean, to be honest with you. i mean, as, as a journalist, i haven't heard much anything new today. i mean, those are the points that he has read to many,

many times and the russian physician is well known. and this is actually something that you can read in the memoirs of many prominent from the knowledges in the west . for example, william burns, the current director of the c a. he has a grade book out, i think it was last year or maybe earlier these hearing, which he sounds, that's the problem is not communication with russia is simply not paying attention or taking seriously with each side is that she's trying to communicate. but the rational physician is, has been known all along. it's just, i think the west has difficulty taking it seriously. i mean, that's the reason why russia recently has also changed the facts and the crumbling seems to be bar firmer and far more resolute in communicating what it needs to get . is that why joe barton is put forward this sort of proposal. tell us what you concern to i will listen. we can negotiate using or i'm not sure that that was

dated by the change of tone and carmen. i think joe biden, you know, it's one thing when you buy for power, but once you come into the governing office, he's going to stand. i mean, it's a b and b capital of what you wish for because and nobody in his right mind understands politics, right? now, without having to bite him, he has so many problems on displayed, and i think he understands the america resources are limited. there is a very, very clear signs of the united states is trying to change in global positioning strategy. if you cannot finance, everybody narrows the club or, and the group of countries is eager to support that would rely on both strategically and financially. and he wants to use it. the

more honestly he wants to when you're not you're too many resources in your confrontation with russia. i would, there will still be some military build on the countries will still invest in nuclear weapons. what have you, brad? i think there, even in the white house, i think there's a sense that things are getting out of control and more than that they're, they're more important issues to address joe biden, after all has to face election for he's fighting next year and possible reelection in 2024 and 4 that he has to address many of the domestic and international challenges apart from russia. it would be a big wind to him though, wouldn't it? wouldn't you think? because politically, you know, obviously the united states is divided if, for example, that was a breakthrough deal, some sort of mutual security agreement with that go down well with the america thing is a strange question to us. but the seems to be so many hawkish elements to american

politics and wanting to push this idea. rush is regressive. that if it's the thing that's your will listen, haven't i actually think that has a good question on your part. and i think that at the very least, he can position himself and go down to history as the deal maker. and any american presidents, historically, based on the 20th century, has always tried to reach out to russia whether it was whether it be like so many times or in the post called the era that was important. and given the level of tensions that we find ourselves. now i think it would, it would be an easy need jeremy 0 by then and he would find, you know, a partner in the kremlin biggest, why didn't put in also has more important things to do than to constantly filled questions about your train and nato expansion. i mean, he has a bigger plan for russia than that if he rushes main, how many success, 2 years,

politically. and i say that because job, i don't. yeah. because if you, if you have presentation said about the ukraine, we can't talk with him. if you hear about, you know, nato response to russia's proposals no way, and yet, hey, we have j barton saying, listen, well, in these, this group of people who are now in the kremlin, they're not very idealistic. or, you know, they have a visa form on, you know, security or military guys who have a very shrewd way of thinking, but they, they subscribe to reality politics style of analysis. but they realized that the scope of what joe biden can do on this issues. it's much larger than what, for example, donald trump could have done, and they also understand that job biden is in a pretty difficult position or challenging position i should say, domestically and internationally. so if he's willing to to come forward, i think russia would meet him in the middle. now,

we talked about international issue. he's faced some tough questions domestically to hasn't a sunny shop. jack play with stevie yost and journalist in russia here raised the issue, told him russian prisons, you know, there was this big scandal with supply of 300 prisoners tortured in eastern parts of russia. what did you make of his response to that? i think i actually liked a lot and by the way, the beginning this conference began with him siding alexander soldier in the famous descendant rider and the author of loch archipelago, who shed light on the abuses and torture in the, in the soviet prison system. logic put inside of the s, this is an issue we're facing. prisons cannot be different from the rest of society, but he's personally contributed a lot to making sure that the russian prison system, the tourist prison system is humanized. and there are many and he was working in

that field and he also said that it is crucial to treat this people as russian citizens. we need to make sure that these people who leave with can actually be integrated back into the society at the end of the day. you know, it's, you know, we are all in this together. i don't think he tried to shy away from anything. he actually took it as, as a very relevant issue that has to be addressed and russia has some good examples in this regard. for example, i don't know if you were in russia, let's say, 15 years back. but we have lots of problems with abuses in the army, and these are the younger conscripts and that the problem has been solved. it was, it was a huge issue. i mean mothers were afraid of sending their sons to, to the russian army, but right now it seemed as one of the most respected institutions in the country.

and people actually sending their kids to give them some chance of life. the same could be done with, with the present system, but if the require sustained attention, it requires a lot of resources. it requires some collaboration between the states and the non governmental sector. and it also requires certain time and energy that better be not found on empty or shallow arguing with the west. i think the realization of that that we better solve certain issues with the what about the we can focus on the russians development is very, very acute into crumbling. i mean, when you look at the torture story, it is pretty horrific and many people will wonder will how could it have gone on for so long, and why are we relying on a whistleblower? i mean, when president putin says, okay, we'll have an investigation, isn't anybody's saying we need master structural reform? well, that system is, has been, he's being reformed for quite some time. and you know, an institution like dad,

a pretty wide and you know, pretty close to you can change that in a matter of a couple of years and you tell me, why do we need in a whistleblower and something like that. and just the other day i interviewed, one of the lawyers went to lee and it's on, you know, a person who is languishing, who's been languishing in a western prison with huge detrimental consequences still since his physical and his mental health also for his wistful blowing contribution so i understand this is a real issue, but i think it's also important and put in said that clearly it's very important to pay attention to the issue and try to do something about that. rather than trying to use politically to gain a political capital or, you know, portray and unfriendly government in a certain way. because, you know, there are issues with prison population and prison conditions in russia,

in the united states. i'm sure in your nature of your case. wow. so it's, it's not, and i still aided burden in many countries here it was sort of along that sock. another question he did today was the, when the crap down as it was put on n g o and independent journalists in russia and he made sort of, statistically, he made a good point didn't because he made a comparison between the said or foreign agents in russia and that of the west? well, i think it could, could be acute. what about his on that this year because, and that's what his critics usually do when he faces a certain challenging point. and when he tries to express the same as she is doing this in the west, people usually don't take it nicely, but he was pretty clear there. he doesn't want to see a foreign organizations working here in russia as if they were a domestic grass roots organizations. you can still work here. i mean,

if you're labeled as a foreign agent, you can still go on with your information here. but you need to make it clear as to the russians populace, that the, the money that you're getting for your operations come from a foreign source and reaches more often than not has its own agenda. and, you know, turning to table on you here, i'm in a, can you imagine any of the russian organizations going, you know, working openly in the u. k or in the united states and having an explicitly anti governmental agenda. that was not, that was not go too far. i mean, even that our own channel has major challenges operating be in the, in the you are in the united states. but if it's worth some random and he'll campaigning for better conditions in the american presence, i think they will be kicked out of the united states if not put behind bars fairly

quickly and statistically, as of the point to sort of trying to mate with. he said no point, no 34 percent of the organizations. i think foreign organizations he was referring to in russia are actually recognized as desirable. and he said, that's a comparable stat saying that in the west actually said that this is an exact number that you guys have in the united kingdom. that percentage point 0. 34 organizations declared as for an ancient out of 200000 angels in russia. and one of the point i know you like you like before in focus more. but this is something very dear to me. as a, as a russian, russia has the 2nd largest number of small interiors in the world. and i'm very excited to see how these, you know, volunteering community is, is growing in this country. so many people are actually investing time and

efforts and energy into building the country within and putting himself thing down for that, especially when it comes to call that 900. because you know that many countries are facing numerous shortages in terms of staff and in russia that has been compensated by the willingness of many, let's say medical student should come and work in those wards and how, how the people. so, you know, it's not only about, you know, we can build our country from within without, for, and there is necessarily, you know, some of the expertise in perspective is very well come down. it could be very useful and you know, they can still operate in russia as long as they come clear about the sources of funding. they're not being banished and being closed. they are asked to come clean about their sources of funding. that's all sort of an aside here, but it was an interesting quote he gave,

he said today that russia can't be conquered, only destroyed from the inside. and then you started talking about the election, the violin, etcetera, etcetera. i don't know whether he purposely meant to sort of join the dots, but i mean, or when you want to paranoid, but how important or how security conscience is brush when it comes to a foreign is operating then within russia, you're a very, very conscious. but i mean, if you look at the duck treno documents of major western powers, they identify russia as an adversary. united states, the u. k. even germany and france and not on the official level. but let's say in the worth of that public representative. they identified this country as anatomy citizen. sit still and pretend that it was a fairy. no, i mean russia historically is very security conscious. we lost more than 20000000 of our countrymen the last century due to the gentleman invasion. and you know,

it's something that you feel deep down into your bones, but there are, there are ways of settling the security issues are reasonably and actually, i mean, i want to rely here on the press secretary for the white house john sack who the other day said that even during some times we managed to find a way to listen to moscow's concerns and lay some of them. why can't we do it now? and i think susan is communicating that same message here. i'm can i pick up on something i thought they were very, a lot of many interesting parallels between russia and the united states. because you mentioned that the put in quoting one of their russian thinkers saying that it cannot be destroyed from the outside. it would be if it's destroyed that would be destroyed from within apprehend. lincoln said the exact same thing about the united states that the united states cannot be damaged or destroyed by the war

in power. but if it experiences serious problems, if it commit suicide, then it would be internal. so in this respect, russia and the united states are different, but in certain ways they're also very similar and many of the themes that was sounding today, they're also quite relevant forces american counterparts for joe biden. you know that the americans are also trying to get the infrastructure bill passed, putting was talking about, you know, development of infrastructure is one of the main drivers for russia. they were talking about the call the 19 vaccinations challenges, and as well as public health around the world and the need to recognize each other . it's vaccines and provide the vaccination for the last developed regions of the world. because in only that can solve the problem. there currents of a new variance of corporate nice and so, you know,

you said before that what you hear are the tensions. but what i hear is the fatigue from those tensions and the willingness to do something to perhaps still them down . well, let's just talk about it again because it's an interesting way of looking at things because we see many will problems. and then we see how the west deals with it. and then we still have a common problem this dealt with in russia, k everything example. and one question came today, it said russia has a high death rate, low vaccination, right? what's going wrong? and when you look at the west and particularly in europe at the moment, it's mandatory vaccination, but he was very clear. but that's not the way forward as far as russia russians are concerned. yeah, he even quoted, they newton's 3rd law of every action is bound to produce a reaction. and in this sense, compet nights and presents a very, very interesting case for social psychologist because russia is

a trouble psychologically trouble entry had a very difficult history collective history, history of totality, hiring ism and authoritarianism. and put in is very, very cognizant of that he wouldn't have been governing russia for so long, and he wouldn't have stayed so popular among the russian people if he didn't understand deep down into both the russians, they call a g. and he said it plainly today that if we try to force people to do mandatory vaccinations, they will find the way around it. so in some respect, i think rushes a response to call 19 is far more liberal than in many of the western countries. but i think that is pre determined by russia's difficult history and then the willingness on the part of the kremlin to you, you know, get that 3rd newton law into action and to produce more push back than necessary me

. let's talk about the economy quickly, because i know i'm from the west to the east of, you know, but, you know, in, in the, around the world at the moment is a big going on monetary policy got large amounts and inflation. she will be increase interest rates. the rest is not, and i can't possibly do that. but i think we've just seen the washington bank increase interest rates. and inflation is, is 8 percent with the moment to share in russia. just talk about the state of rushes economy. i mean, is it, or is it going if you just coming in and, you know, you know, will about your own economy in the west, but in terms of prussia, where is it? well entry, if i had a crystal ball, i would tell you that i'm afraid even put in doesn't have what we're talking high inflation. we're talking about i mean the, the americans and the brits are also dealing with high inflation. and one thing i can say is that the russians are well familiar in leaving inside circumstances 8 percent by russian standards. it's uncomfortable, but it's not very high. and we didn't made

a comment early in this press conference. to some extent, you may think western sanctions and why the west and to russian position the starting, let's say in 2013, 2014 for preparing russia. or they call it 900 damage because we have been living in the sanctions for quite a number of years. and that made our economy more resilient and more self sustaining, more self reliance. so 8 percent is not is not a good news. and it's not a bad news either, and i think in, in the current circumstances, it's not them how well the government is performing. i'm in there. no, it's running for the gold medal, but it's more about how, how much damage you have been able to avert. not so much about the humans, but about the damage prevention, both in case of call it and in case of inflation. because i mean,

be the state of expenditures at this point of time. i normally where the tax base is contracting. you have to put a lot of money into, you know, hospitals into supporting the unemployed, into all sorts of programs to make sure that the country is running, you know, long distance. but the ability of businesses to operate and pay taxes is understandably limited. so it's, it's limited and important because, i mean, i've lived here because panoramic elective for 17 years. and i the, the thing that was noticeable to me is that while sort of western countries, european countries were locking down completely. that wasn't necessarily the story in russia. parts the economy were locked and that was a limited period of lock time, but very much as soon as they could. it was, it was opened up again. well, i think for, for, for these group of russian, i got your leaders, what's important is not to be ideological date. tap water is they see how certain things work. surely protecting the lives of the people is an absolute priority of

food and communicative. today he said, that's 146000000 people, is not enough for russia, and we are faced with increased mortality due to call vate, i think average life expectancy has gone down by about a year in 202-2019. but russia is no doubt logical doesn't have to subscribe to anyone's particular way. i think there's more sort of heard the feeling in some of the western countries if somebody is doing that. if the united states, for example, is doing certain things, many countries feel pressured to emulate a russia is more regard with russia in the west. okay. i was just told me that because because you go back on the line, going to talk more about what we said international speaking, but we'll come back to you. thank you very much for that. legal is on the line. again. i think you're going to,

donna joins us. let's go back to the international arena because one of the key topics that was talked about has been awake really all month data and tensions with the crime. just run through the key points that flat, imitate, and raised on those. well, absolutely. and with nato, that question got really seem to get under the skin of the russian president vladimir putin. he was, he turned very animated as he was responding to this question, posed a thing by the journalist with sky news. and the message has been very unequivocal that nato should provide very unconditional guarantees of unconditional safety and security of russia. safety, meaning there would be no more eastwood expansion. bladder couldn't talks about how essentially the blog basically lied. and she to russia before back in the ninety's . how would freaked russia by verbal assurances that no east would expansion would happen any more. and then, well, that was exactly what, what came to fruition that was exactly what that came into reality. so he talked

how russia and the kremlin, how they put together a list of basically a list of demands which would guarantee that safety, which now they will have to be signatures because so that no official could say, well, you, you're telling us, we've promised this to you, but can you show it on paper obviously with verbal agreements? this can not be done so that now russia wanted on paper, according to my food. and basically, his message was, it isn't russia that it is that it is deploying missiles on the border of the united states. in fact, washington is guilty of the very same thing. just to give you an idea as to what i mean when i say that they've got under the skin of vladimir putin is a short bit of his answer. but the sooner you can reach the sea and say where mercedes doable disease at yet, our actions will not depend on the negotiation. they will depend on the

unconditional compliance with the russian security. you must give us the guarantees it is up to you. you must do this immediately right now, instead of keep talking about this for decades. but we would, well, ukraine obviously came up in his answer to this question because the nato, accepting ukraine as its member is an absolute red line for moscow. and even if for ukraine is never made an official member state of this military alliance. well, any sort of bilateral or multilateral agreement between nato member states and ukraine, which would allow this military block to deploy missiles on the territory of this country of ukraine. would also be absolutely unacceptable for moscow, because simply the fly time over message from key of all from, you know, ukraine's border with russia towards moscow is way too short. so russia would feel itself in a grave danger,

247. so this is completely and utterly unacceptable for moscow, according to the russian president. but of course, speaking of the international agenda and what within the array of topics that the russian president has covered this militaristic or, you know, subject her is something that he has not been limited to. because for example, he very extensively, he went into detail talking about the gas crisis, the energy crisis. so that is battering europe. right now. basically there's a massive shortage of gas there and the prices on the spot in to thousands of dollars. so this is, this is, this is very, a very serious situation for them. and there has been that have been, i should say, a lot of allegations against russia that it was in fact moscow that orchestrated and created this crisis. vladimir said that this couldn't be further from the truth . he said that in fact to europe brought this crisis upon itself and well, hence it should find a way out of it on itself as well. even though,

according to vladimir putin, moscow is doing everything in its power to help out. essentially said that gas pro rushes energy joint that is responsible for all the gas transit into the region. that in fact, it is fulfilling more than a 100 percent of its contractual obligations. it is sending up to 10 to 20 percent more gas in europe simply simply on, out of a goodwill. it's not because it wasn't something that europe had requested previously this volume. so and again, russia is kind a, it is, it is, well, it can't ship as much gas as you want because the you, because ukraine is major gas transit state for russia here. and it's a pipeline system is very much outdated. so if russia try to squeeze more of this blue, fluid, or fuel, excuse me, if it tries to squeeze more gas through this through ukrainian pipes,

they could simply best and it could lead to a disaster both.