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n e u countries, virtually all of them subscribe to certain doctrines and maintains celibate task forces. they are a cyber army on behalf of a country. that's their job. ah, ah ah. hello and welcome to cross stock. we're all things considered. i'm peter lavelle. what is the national mood? i suppose it depends on what kind of media you consume to say the nation is divided in highly partisan is an understatement. this is certainly what the national media wants us to think. but are we really so divided on what really matters?

crossing the public mood, i'm joined by my guess, martha bonita in palm beach. she is president a boat america 1st and atlanta. we have d dawkins, hagler. she is a political strategist and a former georgia state representative. and in boston, we cross a rory riley, topping she is an attorney, a conservative commentator, and a contributor at the hill heart ladies crosstalk rules and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate martha, your e, this is your 1st appearance on cross. ok. so i'd like to go to you 1st. i'm calling this program angry nation. what is the mood? because, you know, i'm a media attic, so i watch everything from cnn m. s. nbc fox, everything, you know, and i get the impression people are angry, but angry over what i'm not really sure. go ahead, martha in dc. listen, most americans, regardless of what side of the aisle you are, republican, democrat,

independent undecided. most americans with their pocket books and at the end of the day we care about the kitchen table issues. and right now the cost of gas at the pumps is through the roof and every american is feeling it. it's affecting the cost of goods in the grocery stores. of course, the supply chain has still not recovered. there are still empty shelves in different parts of the country shortage on building products. and of course the cost of these items is through the roof. so from that perspective, it's really not a partisan issue in terms of the, the unhappiness that americans are feeling right now in terms of the cost of goods and gas that is largely attributed to who's in the white house right now. but that is really the tone of the nation. well, it's interesting. let me go to dean atlanta. i mean, martha just gave a prognosis are described what's going on. she didn't mention politics at all,

which was, it's kind of interesting to me. ok. so d, i mean we are, is the country, are people really angry and if it, if they are, as martha is said, is it just about the economic situation? go ahead and atlanta. thank you. and i totally agree with mark. those are the issues that we're cassandra. this is why you have all the mail on today because women understand the basis of what's needed. we push on all of the parts of how to at the end of the day, we want to make sure that we have access to quality health care and invitation for our children and be able to afford things at the grocery store. and that's what mass us and be able to fuel our car to get our children, our families where they go from day to day and on this bickering. it's really not group of the country. so maybe what we should do is see a ship and, and pull down all those people at the top for me and replace the women because we have work to do in america. and we don't have time for the product. yeah,

but rory and if i go to boston here, no, but i mean, that's not the impression you get from watching the national media. i mean, i think we're all in agreement and i'm not going to ask you to repeat what we've already heard here. but then it's just really about culture wars is that would really everyone's bickering about, go ahead, rory. well, your point about national media. i mean, the national media is driven by ratings. and how do you get ratings? you get ratings by having people disagree and bigger and show that they're angry about things. anger gets ratings. and this is something that all of the major networks know. you put a bunch of panelists on that say, yeah, you know, we're all in agreement. that's not going to drive the ratings that these networks want. so i think as far as the point about media driving this conversation, we do need to take a bigger look at that. mean things certainly look different back in the day before we had a 247 new cycle. you had 3 major networks and you had 30 minutes of news 3 times a day basically. and so what you saw was more neutral based in this is what

happened and we're letting you know, as opposed to just having people sharing their opinions in disguise as facts, getting angry, that sort of thing. so, so absolutely, for people who are consuming lots of national media, that is influencing the culture wars and what we're seeing as both d. m. martha already said, i think that people are more interested in economic issues that affect their everyday lives. i mean, i do think we have to acknowledge that politics interwoven with that because the politicians who are in charge implement policies that drive economic factors. so you have to acknowledge the politics of that play. but i think when you look at both of our major political parties, they don't have as much variance in some of their economic policy as they may be due on some of the social issues. and so when people are angry, they're looking for an outlet. they turn on their tv, and we get into this vicious cycle that we've been seeing for the last several years now. yeah, well, that's very interesting, martha. let me go back here. i think. but rory said is very,

very interesting because, you know, we, we all feel the same pain. ok with the economics and all of that. but these, these cultural social issues is a cover. so you don't have to talk about who's really responsible for all of it here. i mean, i that, that's what drives me up the wall all the time because it be turned on. and it's mbc or fox, you know, it's going to be the culture warm issue of the moment. ok. but it doesn't change the the, the well being the socio economic well being of all of us. ok. wherever we stand on the political spectrum, go ahead. martha? well, certainly, and you know, the political landscape has changed radically because we have alternative forms of media news, right. there are influencers that have millions of followers on social media that can change and election based on their opinions that they push out on, on social media platforms like twitter, instagram, facebook and, and these, these conversations are happening all across our country. and as more and more

americans distrust mainstream media, they're looking to these other alternative resources for their use. and it's dramatically impacting the course of history in america and, and around the world to that. and i think that i agree with worry in terms of, you know, how the new cycle is in play. but again, at the end of the day, there are basic issues that everybody wants for themselves and their families, excellent healthcare, a safe place to live aeration. our families got excellent education. you know, the ability to have enough money to pay the bills and put food on the table. and there is frustration across our nation, the pulling numbers for the city president, our historically rock bottom. and there's tremendous uncertainty. we have the horrific situation that happened with united states leaving and

seeing those, those images on tv i think are forever ingrained in everybody, regardless of what your political party is. and it just brought tears to my eyes, seeing so many people clinging ho, being rescued for mckenna skin. so, you know, there's that we still have a crisis at our border. there's great uncertainty in terms of the economy. i mean, so then all of this is directly affected is directly impacted by who's in the white house. and so i agree with worry to that and, and that is that, you know, there's a reason why city president biden has these historically low ratings at this time. you know, di martha talks about how the growing mistrusted them and the mass media with the mass media tells us to distress each other. i find that really worrisome be, go ahead. one of the things i like to say is we do that the conversation is quite

daunting and exhausting at times. but let's be very clear. i'm going to be the 1st to say that the democratic messaging is very poor. i mean, we really do have a very good plan and i believe in bill back there, i mean i've lifted the plan is there's a way and i think that it can really help many american citizens. but because report so far as people have been taking the time to really look at the plan, which many of those things are carry, i was to some of the think the truck describe. for example, i, when you look at pharmaceutical companies, him saying we need better prescription drugs are just trying to pick our infrastructure. we don't even talk about this or the flip side with trumps of numbers below. he was really trying to get a back sit back the nation in place. people were, i guess it just because he was a republican president. we cannot operate like this. and the reason the economy is so bad by now is because we are in the middle of a global pad daily. then nobody seems to want to step. this is not an american fe. everyone in the world is dealing with the same pandemic. and for some reason,

america has seemed to colorado. one part of blame is that out of which is absolutely utterly ridiculous. what will be you found? want to, i think you, one of the only normal democrats i've come across in a very long time. i get like, i'm serious about rory. let me go to you in boston, are we in a change phase? you know everyone to be in every election and say this is a change election. it's not a change election. are we going to change time right now? go ahead, rory. well, i certainly would hope so, but to be honest, i don't know that we're quite there yet. and he liked, he was just talking about it. pandemic has been an unforeseen factor. a lot of people didn't know how to deal with it, even though we're almost 2 years into it. people still don't really know how to deal with it. and so i think in terms of change, one of the biggest factors in the last election was people were just pro chopper anti trump, and i think that's what we heard the binding ministration. is there election strategy was built for me? i'm not. and so, you know, to deep point, even though there are all these policy initiatives that they're working on that you

know, on their face are good things. they spend so much time being saying, look at us, we're not trump, they didn't really focus on their messaging. and so that kind of got lost in translation. so i think, you know, now with that from talking about packet, he wants running 2024. you know, the democrats are worried. paris hasn't told, well, they don't want her to run in 2024. but some people do, we've got this back and forth and what gets me pretty much every election cycle is people on both sides. hate the other guys so much, but they can rally around a single person who's going to unify their party, the country that they could have for years every time to get together and find a good candidate. and then we have these primaries that are free for all where he's got 20 people on the same side fighting with each other. it does so much damage by the time that we finally get a candidate more in the election. i would love to see some changes in that process

and i think that would help dr. change. i mean, i don't think it's a, it's a bad thing to have, you know, different candidates in the primary process. but i mean the fighting on each side. i think are really preventing some of this change that we need. so, you know, as far as that goes, i think that we need to kind of look further downstream before we can get to a place where we're ready to embrace change. i for one would love to see it. i just don't think that we're there yet based on what i well, considering the candidates that are put up, it's really quite amazing. that's the best i can do. i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break about about hard break. we'll continue our discussion on the public lewd state with architect ah ah

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welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered. non peter ravel traumatic. we're discussing the public mood. ah, ah. okay, in the 1st part of the program, we talked about what the problem is. now we're going to do the hard part, how to solve it. martha. the gentleman's name is already been mentioned on this program, but that person is donald trump here. now it's, you know, d even pointed out in the 1st part of the program, the democrats have a very difficult time. i mean, the perception, the democrats for the public is that they, they spend most of their time fighting each other. ok, which i think it's a pretty good characterization, but there's a whole lot of fighting. i'll get to. don't worry, i'll get to where there's also the republican party is having a hard time here. it's to trump or not to trump. is that good for the party bad for the party, and how does it bode for the mid terms? go ahead, martha. well, listen, donald trump right now, it's pulling very high all across our nation. certainly higher than our city.

president, wyatt and you know, when, when president trump was in office, we had energy independence. unprecedented unemployment was at an all time low. we were secure and our borders are starting to be more secure in our borders. we had, the economy was re, americans were hopeful, in terms of continuing to have hardy retirement plans, you know, not worrying about things why national security president trump brought a booming economy job and, and really hope across our country. and i think now i don't think i know now that you know, when we compare that presidency to where we are now with president wine and, you know, there's, there's, we have a problem. and some say absence makes the heart grow fonder. but you can't dispute

with a pool of pulling says right now, and that is that americans are not happy with the state of the economy. you know, they're not happy with what they're paying as what they're paying at the gas pump. and the cost of general good just reproach christmas. now you know, prices have skyrocketed. many goods just aren't available because the supply chain still hasn't been repaired. and president trump wrote a booming economy and americans at the end of the day, as i said before, vote with their pocketbooks. so president trump is now travelling across the country. he is doing many appearances and the walk for donald trump. ok, what day? i mean, we, we saw in the virginia gubernatorial election that playing the trump car, didn't work for the democrats. i mean, what is the thinking there? because again, i'm a media guy, so i focusing on the media and, and it's already been pointed out on this pro miss said, you know that a, they look for controversy and mean on trumps. middle name is controversy. so,

i mean, is that good for the democrats, or is it is it is something they're going to continue to play because, you know, he's out of office, he's gone, he's off of twitter, but the more i look at liberal media, they just, that's the bogeyman. they keep scaring everyone with with and i would rather like all 3 of you talk about the basic things that affect the vast majority of the country. instead of talking about the possible fate of the 45th president of the united states. go ahead d. and there's a very absent nation, or we cannot continue to use trump as the subject of our conversation, to be honest with you, the bill back better plan is really a good place for us to start an image. now let's just be clear, her mom to talk about public numbers when, when trump was in his pregnancy around this time, his members were just as low and continued to be loved, the majority of his presidency. so we can't look necessarily at pulling numbers all the time. to be the end are to be all what we have to look at subtly is what is happening economically. so that part i do agree with her and everyone else can

worry. well, let's be clear. trump didn't. he inherited a very good economy on president obama. right now, president dime had to in here an economy that was right on the turn, a coming out of the global pandemic. so that meant many things had to change. we had supply chain issues, people were not working good, we're at home because we're afraid it's a you cannot use the sang litmus test for president vine that you would have used for our president trump. that being said, we have to figure out a way then we have lots of conversations. like you said, i was the only thank them crash. i am convinced that most of them are insane. but that's neither here nor bad because for them to say that i understand that president mine is dealing with a global pandemic. i think he's been a phenomenal job. we just on the democratic fact have to do much better with that messaging because i'm messaging at this and that the people are going to continue to be unhappy because they don't know the great things rather than by doing.

especially things that have to be a bit better claim. ok, we're already, that's interesting. i mean, i've come across this argument before it's a messaging problem. you know, my rule of thumb is new when the fitting president is there. all the problems are, in this case, his problems. you can say it was because of this administration before, and now we're in the here and now you take responsibility for it here. but my question to you, rory, considering that it me, the democrats are in disarray, particularly in the poles. do the republicans have a positive message? i mean, it's very easy to pick on joe biden to the point of being just merciless, which i by and so counter productive. ok. i'm a policy want, i'm not really interested in, in tweets, or if the guy is coughing or something of that. i did. people obsess over this so much here. so the, do the republicans have a positive message, or is it just easy to punch away at the democrats and biden go ahead in boston? well, i'm with you because i'm a policy want as well. and you know, i would like to see this from both sides of, you know,

more well enunciated substitive policy platform. i think that yes, you are correct that the republicans are just doing a lot of looking for gotcha moments. i think the democrats are doing the same thing and we just get into this tit for tat on both sides. i think both sides are guilty of it. we just want to have this moment, we say how look the other guy did this and we didn't do that, so we're better. well, oh, that's a fairly think that that makes you more qualified to be in power just because you were able to have more. gotcha moments and there was bob dole's posthumous op. it was just published in the washington post yesterday. i don't know if you had a chance to read it, but i thought that that was great. the very good point. and there was some debate that followed about the role of, of character. and yes, we want somebody who, you know, has the ability to message and have some sort of policy positions to, to back that up. but i think one of the things that's been missing from this conversation is, is that role of, of character because somebody who has character is going to take responsibility and

say, yeah, i inherited a bad situation. but you know what? it's now on me, it's my responsibility to do something about it. i haven't, here's why or here's what i'm working on. 8 here's what i hope to get to, and i think of that character element of leadership is, is really missing on both sides. it's not just about what it should alternately be about doing the right thing, what's best for the nation instead of just, you know. gotcha, gotcha. gotcha, and i feel like that's what we're seeing a lot of. so i would love to see the importance of character be discussed and you have more of a role in politics than it has right now. roy, that's such a excellent point and something i've thought about many, many times when we go to martha and palm beach here, i me and unfortunately because of the media, they, they what's producers, celebrity, where we don't get politicians anymore. we get celebrities. okay. and life style and you know, you have no idea what these people really stand for, okay? except for, you know, what kind of ice cream they like or where they go shopping or something. i find

that just completely inane and worthless here because the character issue, the leadership issue that rory was mentioning is so very important. and i think we've kind of forgotten. i mean, i wasn't a big bob dole fan, but he had integrity. i don't think anybody doubts that. go ahead, martha. oh, you're absolutely correct and i have to agree that you know, the landscape has changed radically. i mean, frankly, i don't care what play rationing the president consumes. i want to know what is being done to create more jobs, more opportunity to put america 1st to make sure that, that american household feel hopeful for the future. to feel like we have a secure nation to feel that, that there's an opportunity here in america and americans are being put 1st and show to that. and i agree wholeheartedly that at the end of the day, you know, we need to be focusing on policy. i, for one, was very involved in the virginia race and the only message that mccall of brought

to the table was, you know, you know, trump back, that was all the message. you know, every day american people were bartered with commercial after commercial, with donald trump. there was no focus on issues, policy creating more jobs, putting virginia on the map as the open for business. show to that and you're absolutely correct. i'm looking forward to the candidates coming on board that want to run and focus on the american people and make it more about putting americans 1st. you know, you know, you've been on this program before and like i said, you're, you're a democrat. i can talk to, i mean, the, the fact of the matter is that a lot of democrats rank and file and a lot of republicans, even trumpeters. they all have a lot of similar concerns, but they're leaders in each party and the media always make they always focus on what's different or exaggerated. and that drives me up the wall. and that only

works for the elite, you know, at the end of the day, status quo works pretty well for them. and they entertain the rest of us. ok with, you know, you've got to hate this person. this person hates this part. and it, you know, that's what this is all about. i get very frustrated with the lead in both parties because people are hurting out there. and we spend so much of our time attacking each other. go ahead d. yes we do, and i just want to say it is a good impression to actually be in a conversation when i'm fighting back a board with the opposite fact i'm it's really made my day quite pleasant this morning. but at the end of the day, we do have a lot of cultural differences, are social, is it a difference? if you can just be honest, i'm a democrat, for the most part we really do think that people have the choice of whatever they want to do alive. whether it is you know, whether they want to have the choice, right? to choose what reproductive freedoms or whether it is, whether they want to use recreational marijuana, whether they think that people should love it,

man who they want to. we really do believe in those basic things. but once you get past that, the bottom issue is how we're going to pay our bills. and i think we need to have more conversational have we want to do that and i'm tired of these days, right? matter fact, i tell my children are on the cars because there are like kind of camp my going car, it by this day still. you know, because i don't feel like paying money for this is ridiculous and, and it's going to take away from me when you go my next trip. ashley won't, but still that's the thing i'm telling them because it is ridiculous. and i really want us to come together and have a conversation on how do we change that, dana, what do we need to do with independence? and i'm products when a few democrats who actually believe that we should do some offshore drilling. i mean, i mean, i care about it, but it's saying that it will be a breeze in america, you know, move free to so i don't know what we're going to do. we got to do some. well, you know, ladies, thank you for being on this program. i think we're going to have more female panels

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