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. as 1400000000 people wake up off to china's national day celebrations. will it's nuclear weapons. now be targeting not any cities in nuclear mentor nations, but australia to after the biden johnson morrison nuclear submarine deal. and as you, caleb elitist, a guest alma declared his party, the party of nato. we ask the palestinian ambassador to new k if he has any hope for her majesty's opposition when it comes to fighting for the palestinian people after another week of u. k. u. s armed violence in palestine. but 1st, it's the day after mainland, china's national day celebrations, which marked 72 years since the establishment of the people's republic of china, up to the chinese communist party, won the civil war against the u. s. backed nationalist party. this made control vesee over revelations of phone calls by u. s. general mili to re ensure china of new, eminent us nuclear strike. and a surprise, australia nuclear submarine deal with london in washington. joining me now from aging is the center of china and globalization, vice president victor gao, to thanks so much for coming back on. as i said, as the day after you have

a brittany queen, elizabeth aircraft carrier coming to your maritime borders. nato countries openly threatening your existence, row us as ronald reagan strike, carrier was sailing towards you. bad time for jane welch on the just celebrated the 72nd national day. the whole and 3 hours in a mood of great celebration. i was very happy, very united. the government, yes, of course are there have been lots of incursions or impulses that carry and the all ships, all kinds and possibly so our eats into china and other waters around china. this is a very serious matter, and china condemns such incursions and they are not purely freedom of navigation exercises. they are using freedom of navigation as an excuse to challenge channel

sovereignty and territorial integrity. and in such a way, china, not only content state, but will prepare the consequences for such violations of channels, national interest. i mean, then we will, can watch our video by the economist magazine on our youtube channel in widely quoted remarks around the world. there may june correspond him saying she jin being will try and unify china before he leaves office. when he may give, he is very popular among the chinese people. he probably will be very long, so it is important positions not the unification of china. that is channels, mainland, with china, taiwan properties, is a mega trends about time. it will happen sooner or later. it will happen peacefully if we can, and not peacefully if it has to be. so we need to prepare for that day when the

reunification will happen. and i personally believe no force whatever from whichever part of the world will be able to stand in the way of chinese people's reunification. now, you know, repeated experts opinion over the decade saying china's economy was about to blow up with poor growth. all the rest of it. we have headlines in nature, nation media saying you have massive power goods. you learn human rights abuses, engine. jang, whoa. i mean is the power on in beijing? it looks like where you have the lights on there. apparently call stocks for only 15 days left for the 6 biggest power generation companies. 11.3000000 tons of the 21st september. when i'm talking about the power shortage in china, i would say to a very large extent that was inflated by china itself. why, because china now has declared to the world and has informed the chinese nation by

30 by 2030 china need to. ready have the p t of the c o 2 emission by and the 6 the challenge to achieve neutrality. all c o 2 emissions. as a result of that, the chinese couple is really put in a lot of pressure to cold sterile, whole phase power stations. and that actually was a big reason why there has been recently a big shortage of power in some places, abrupt of, of power supply without informing the people in a timely manner should be corrected. and then the government and power suppliers need to figure out a way to make sure that while china is absolutely doing the right thing to how the c o 2 emission by closing down some other kobe's power plants, how china can manage to provide enough power from other sources to

the end users, that's a challenge that china need to are going forward. the un says it's not gonna happen in time and have even in 2021 you're having problems. the fossil fuel emissions are not going to go down to china. the biggest, obviously, you know, per capita with the biggest emitter in absolute terms. well, if you look at china's tracker, all the over the past 10 years, also the cap, the unit c o 2 emission for the chinese manufacturer inside the industrial side has been cut down. there is significant, significantly now or china, which is still enjoying very wrapped up in economic development. this goal has its own pay. but i think different sectors and the whole population in china are ready to go through this very painful period to achieve the target on

one hand. and also to make sure that the economy in general need to proceed in a normal way rather than suffering significant disruption. please keep in mind that china has enough power generation as it is. the real problem is what materials do use if you continue to use a lot of coal as the primary source of power, then the government is very much determined against it. if you use other sources of power, for example, natural gas or crude oil or increasing the renewal source is solar we, it's address then the chinese government is very much encouraging that well hopefully overly more of the solar and wind and renewables rather than the oil. and gas, no one's measuring the fossil fuel emissions of all these warships from nato, the u. s. and u. k headed your way. what did you make of these revelations in washington?

general milly, the joint chiefs, us, joint chiefs chairman saying that he had to reassure chinese counter guard that there was not going to be a 1st nuclear strike on china. first of all, i think generally is highly regarded a respect is from the chinese site. now what is happening in washington the congressional hearing and really is testimony. congressional hearing is a confirmation of one point that is very important. that is, there will be no wall between china and the united states. and that is in the interest of mankind. there are people who are very eager and agitated to provoke a war between china, the united states, and they are not doing that in the interest of the american people. some people in the united states even claim that china and united states needs to have a wall with each other. they are little understand the consequence of war,

g channel, the united states. because if there is a very carefully to what henry kissinger has to say recently, is basically saying, any war breaking out each, i mean i was states may soon escalate into i'm, i'm again, my hand is found anything, henry kissinger, anything, it just says where the global cell is usually a, is usually a reverse barometer, arguably. i think, you know what happened in vietnam, cambodia in and allow you have said i noticed previously that australia will lose its privilege of not being targeted by chinese nuclear weapons. thanks to this surprise, august deal between washington london and camera. is that gonna happen? should there be nuclear missile upgrades to the nuclear submarines now being talking about coming from britain in the united states? well 1st of all, this office is very much against the world because world today needs peace and

stability. i possess you nuclear weapons, nuclear submarines and they are kind of fine to me. it. they claim that it is nuclear power summary. it is not overnight summary, but i would argue the difference on the hess richie is really very much artificial because a submarine is a weapon. and if it is powered by nuclear power, that nuclear power summary can strike or can be attacked in time of war. and attacking a nuclear power summary, and we'll turn that summary in itself into a big explosion. and that's definitely will constitute a big nuclear weapon to start with. therefore, i would say, by possessing nuclear submarine either nuclear power summary, or nuclear weaponized, a summary, australia will no longer qualify as

a member of the nuclear re south as a big song. so i would say the australian government is not informing the australian people 23000000 them sufficiently about what will be the consequence of office. because i believe the australian people do not want to lose that privilege and coveted status of being a nuclear free country. living in that big people or south has a big nuclear re song because by losing that status, australia will be targeted with nuclear weapons. well, as i said out of scope morrison, they'll straighten me to saying that if we know for nuclear weapons, but just finally, i mean china has seemingly been supporting the federal reserve by making bitcoin illegal. it's losing a propaganda war, arguably in the west completely as we get more and more articles. and so go liberal papers talking about the need to confront china and kamala harris for jo biden's,

vice president said beijing continues to cause cause to intimidate and to make claims to the law. the vast majority of the south china sea, you think the communist by the will remain calm. as the rhetoric is heated up more and more in coming weeks. listen, the americans should know better than many other countries because ink 1945 when japan unconditionally surrendered. japan surrendered all the islands aisle reefs in the south pacific sea to the republic of china. and their time, china in the form of the republic of china, the united states and the former soviet union and grip. and to a lesser extent, france, we were the victor nations, after defeating nazi germany in europe and imperialistic the japan in the east. and japan surrendered everything to charlotte in 1945. china,

in 1945 was the only independent country standing on its feet after winning the war against japan. so the united states knew this attack better them in. and just as a matter of fact, the united states dispatched it's only forces to help the republic of china naval forces to reclaim all these islands and reefs in the south, tennessee, from the surrounding japanese soldiers. therefore, we do not need to look beyond 1945. we just need to stop at 1945 and check all the historical records. and china has undisputable crane to moles islands and reeves, et cetera. and where you accuse china of violating other countries claims, where do they trace their crave back to 1945. we need to call a spade

a spade. thank you. go. thank you. thank you very much. after the break, after another week of u. s. u. k. armed violence and palestine, we speak to the palestinian ambassador to the u. k. about a new ultimatum for israel. all the small can we help? we bought 2 of going undergrad. ah. and with a child beginning on it and then each one is a better way to adjust my with

issue machine that it with more i mean logical, but that amount with power to store and you with welcome back. at the same you, k labor party conference were anti jeremy corbin, leader to care starman, declared his party to be the party of nato. a motion was passed calling for israel to meet it because of the ongoing knock by palestine. emotion that passed without much publicity cauldron ethical trade policy and an end the u. k. arm sales to his rail progress after another week of violence in palestine and with the palestinian ambassador, britain who sub job lot best to. thanks so much for going to the studio. i mean we've had killings all week in ballast rankings of children by shonda israeli

soldiers that had said last year was the worst for the palestinian authority before we get on the british issues. i mean, how bad is it there we go with and the occupation now very bad. i mean, of course, covered the has it, palestine the policy and economy as it did all over the world. but the particular view of all situation, that is the occupation has really made things much, much worse, according to the same you an organization on the policy and economy loses $2500000000.00 every year because of the israeli occupation policies, particularly the theft of our resources the control of our natural resources, land, water, and what have you and the crumbling occlusions and processes that does not allow the palestinian economy to utilize its full potential. that the seizure goes over the last 416 years. in fact, the,

the u on has estimated that all lease since 2001 to 2007 in the policy and economy loss $50000000000.00 because of israeli measures hostile adverse measures. that's more than please 3 times the size of the entire honest and economy. and if you look deeper, you will see that the people focus more on the military aggressions of the occupation is radio compression. but that is economic well for this has been happening for decades since then the, this, the economic warfare has many tools, not allowing us to trade. you know, the export on import are completely controlled by is, are not allowing us to have our own currency as, as in central bank. not allowing us to have any serious fiscal policies in addition to the movement of people. and would you say this to say this is james cleverly morris, johnson's office ministers. what did, what did he say is britain arms? these really ami that is killing your people?

this is, this is, this is a very major, this a main point in the discussion that, you know, we are not seeking aid. here. we are really see seeking trade and we are seeking to utilize our own resources that are being stolen on a daily basis. in every sense, you know, of the didn't see of the west bank the occupied west back is very rich in mineral materials and resources. and steve's on a daily basis. it's a multi $1000000000.00 investor. it's also the worst. of course, we discussed the issue of the legal trade with these settlements on resources that the u. k. must ban the importation of these programs. of course we discuss resume. he said no to that whilst opposing the settlements. they always acknowledged the legality of settlement. they say that with all the encourage our businesses to do any transactions in the occupied territories, but there is no enforcement. and this is what we insist on short of enforcement and consequences. the verbal commitments to international law means very little. and

we've been at that for now 70 years, and this one does not even hear the statements. well, great news. go into labor by the conference when from the floor, ordinary members said no more on sales, no more sales from occupied territories. that there is an ongoing knock where the apartheid is there. what did you make of a lease? and then the, and the storm a leadership distancing themselves from the vote on the floor. you were there at the conference. yes, i was very disappointing. actually unfortunate because that was a democratic vote. the resolution, the motion passed overwhelmingly, which shows the depth of support of the labor base to the issue of palestine to the cause of palestine and to international law. and then if you go back to the motion, you will read that it is primarily about enforcement of international law, about attraction consequences to legalities that the motion or it was very clear a it for finally, this is the 1st time such a was, comes out that's ok,

we recognize the sort of a sort of legal, but we want to do something about that and therefore we must seize any trade with these illegal entities. for exporting arms, who is a must be in line with british law and international law on israel is evidently in violation of all these laws. but more than that, it's also the narrative that they paradigm, the framework. for years we have been talking about his process and on the line process. so for 30 years since 199130 years. exactly. we have been stuck with the all international partners, including the name of often by the way, about this discourse of because it's beyond anything under the jeremy corbin label, but these process speech process, speech process. and whenever we tell them that we are accepting the piece process that the last you should go back to the negotiating table. what is a new about this, this new motion? it redefines the situation in israel terms and it's real narrative that this is

a colonial part. that this isn't, that is no clearly defined as an apartheid regime controlling largely on civilians and the for the palestinian people have the right to protect should and to resist. i mean, you say apartheid there, you know, that's a guess, thomas warren, secretary chad of orange release and then the said just to condemn israeli atrocities. and we know that scores of women and children were killed in main. garza is to be anti semitic. what did, what did so kiss thomas say to you, did you have a good chat with him? yes, i met him and we have, we have very good job in the, in the summer is a human rights lawyer. he knows exactly international law. he knows the values of labor, the values of the, of the u. k. and therefore, you know, there is, it's obvious, there is a gap between the leadership and the base. and hopefully that will be bridge because then we know he's bankrolled by israeli lobby. is that correct and you

didn't raise the fact that he's from the leadership campaign was financed by someone who supports israel. the key matter here is how, how to present that of the leadership of its own base and how representative the leadership of the values of labor. these values are the values of social justice, of equality, of international. those are the ones words all the time. you only there with the un general assembly. what did you mean? what did he mean when he said, i give israel a year to get out and abide by un security council resolution to we won't recognize israel, something about the international court of justice. you'll go to the international court of justice in a year's time. why don't going out, why give them israel another here? and there isn't a national community. there's a national community has invested heavily in the project. remember the 2 state solution that international requirement and israel has failed that international equilibrium. that's international division legitimacy. and today he's our president

and our people are throwing back the ball into the international in a year's time. early israel be much worried about that. these are denies it as well, and boards, john, to when you mentioned the i c, c, investigation boys, johnson is clear and says that is an attack on israel. the i, c, c, the independence of the i. c. c is very important and i don't think politicians who should intervene with judges. this court was established exactly for issues like ours. so war crimes are prosecuted, war crimes or criminals are held accountable. so if the prime minister is johnson has an issue with this, i think he may have issues with international legality. i mean, it's not just about johnson, joe biden. the united states also says the i c. c has no jurisdiction. it's very unfortunate and extremely unfortunately somebody, those of the so called free world the for the very same countries that established these laws. and these conventions, and these courts would doubt it's legitimacy and its independence. and its relevance is, is extremely unfortunate. and i believe this is,

this goes beyond palestine, this is about this kind of world we want to 11 and the kind of world we want to leave for our children and grandchildren. and i think it has caused a lot of damage because of the special relationship to our global system. you mentioned leadership there. i mean, is there ever going to be an election in your country? i mean, when we to bus ended his german to indiana. we are one of the very few in the region, my friend who convenes here and through and transfer kind of elections. we are one of the few who really base our legitimacy on the democratic. the newer stuff happened. unfortunately, it was absolutely keen on creating all the divisions of living goes. i love the so called with the 2005, creating the vacuum. regrettably since then, we were not able to convene a proper a comprehensive national elections. but we agreed all political parties,

including fact to have us to convene national elections as you remember earlier this year. and then we had the obstacle of this review again. yeah, i mean, you know, you know, what are some people in the last somebody will not even in the west. and you might have seen the un security council talking about palestine the other day. they said that your fighter people are cooperating with israel in coordinating assassinations . they talk about news or by not abducted only 20 votes of june, 42 injuries inflicted with metal pipes. well, what is going on here is, is you are, is my, with the bus in with israel against the palestinian people. i don't accept this question or shot because you need to here to those are you. i want to start only a few days ago in washington and in the new york. when he said he will never meet president a bus because president our bus is deploying from what i guess district. and he is know this kind of does not look, did you guys kill them?

mistakes happen. the incidence was very unfortunate. the palestinian always took responsibility. there was investigation, the 14 soldiers of policemen who arrested him. we're actually invited and prosecuted. and there is a court going on. the president met all of the heads of the human rights organizations in palestine only a few days ago. actually couple of weeks ago to be precise and they agreed are not old enough to make sure that our basic law, our constitution, if i may use that, our respect of human rights is going to be implemented between the civil society and leadership. so that was a mistake regrettable, but that does not deviate from the mutual fact that everybody goes and kills 5. and palestine is there is a lot of efforts by the law is really lobby the machine to describe the situation as into understanding and interval. even russia's own voice said that rushes over

the you in general. and i, if you, in national, at the security council said the problem here, to an extent, obviously there are lots of problems with violations of un security council resolutions is you know, unified. why is it, there's not a joint press conference with us and the security and got it all together, showing unity, we unified and this is absolutely a requirement and the prerequisites, egypt as mediating between all the offers as we speak, we met in a stumble and then chiral, we agreed on all the details. i tell you the, the, the heart of the matter, the root cause of all this is an occupation that is in control of everything when we were very close to elections. and then on the mccarthy process, establishing a national government, they pulled the carnival joslyn denying us the right to convene election. although in fairness, joe biden is saying, he's saying he's opposed enough to have been, it's not allowing us to mission in ramallah, it didn't do anything about it. i myself as a part of the bus here, went to the british government. we went everywhere coding for them all foreign

minister came london just days before postponing the elections are pleading with the government, but passion on his own to allow us elections and is your son. faust is wilson. it is the occupied capital of palestine. it's the compass of the palestinian people. you see every time you will send him such the entire people of palestine united to defend jerusalem. so there is no way we could actually allow for all democratic process to go ahead without our campus without our heart. and without the occupied chemical if, but if, especially in light of what trump has done a couple of years ago, you know, recognizing the entire yours in the numbers that are so we couldn't, and the for it is important that you're asking these questions to pinpoint that of course elections are important, but we are doing elections and we are doing palestinian institutions for an over all national objective, which is independence, which is a return our rights. the end is joslyn, this is our, our state. and our rights is going to make us a continue in an endless process. and in that process, chip chip,

take away your lesson. now this and this action will not allow you to compete elections and in your occupied capital. and by the way, jerusalem is not a city that will clear. jocelyn is a city we own more than 300150000 palestinians on every church. every most, every shop, every house in jerusalem and then next now they will tell you ok elections without janine elections without what kind of accept this shell is crucial to continue with our friends with all this information of support, you've seen what happened to me, the inspiration in the seats of london and the streets of washington and chicago, new york, i don't. thank you very much. that's it for one of your favorite shows of the last season. we'll be back on wednesday, the 12th of january, but until then stay safe. and you can watch all our interviews by subscribing to our youtube channel and falling us on all our social media.

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