was that everybody, all the rich countries are trying to, you know, wing some time and only renew the capital limbs. and the green capital is what we call it. because all the instruments that they are trying to put in place in order to solve the problem of the climate crisis i call it is under the market conditions market instrument. so that's why we decided to, you know, to propose another, a tentative mechanism instrument in, noted, you know, the, all the developing countries can phase the product, which is, which are new market instruments for those 100000000 dollars and a $1000000000.00 that they provide. they compromise in, in parties agreement, but we haven't seen anything yet. yeah. they, they promised it. and so when you talk to your proposals,

all we heard from rich countries at good on the so called mainstream media nato media. they talked about carbon markets. the need to increase g d p and net 0. what's your reaction to these kinds of policies while they are talking about cedar net in 2050? you know, and we are talking about the year that we have do the rich, the goal. why point 6, a great, a center of the great in 2030. so there's a lot of difference because if you written in 2050 and it's and reversible, the problem is not reversible anymore for all over to where. i mean, that's why we have to go to have to meet our word, i said, and they say carbon markets and capitalist free markets. other solution to this, no, because the market's the, you know, 1st of all,

the market is not a transporting mechanism because it has a symmetries uncertainties. and the market never works. you know, there are many papers in the world that demonstrate that the market mechanisms are not always working as they used as, as the, as they are supposed to do it. so the best way to do it in a quickly manner in more effective way is in a, in a direct to transfer from the rich countries to our countries in technology, in, you know, immigration and so on. in order even there reforest and forest, a son in order to face the climate crisis that were facing. yeah, they were celebrating forestry agreements. so when you talk about the market,

i mean, is it more mysterious than incur civilizations in bolivia? the way this market works, you mentioned just their technology trends. were you know, the big talk as it got 26. they love intellectual property rights that protect our bill. gates benefited greatly from the coven vaccine, and understand maybe some of the delicates from the global south were interested in intellectual property rights, especially given. we're in the pandemic. one, you know, the market is in the backseat or it's american days now. and everything in the capital range is a merchandise. so what do we need to change this? change our mind. there are things that we have sort of in a direct way, not in the market condition, because in the market, you know, you don't play in the same, in the same condition. you and me, your, for, i'm demanded. you know, you will not play in the same where you have more power than me and you, we did the market. and of course,

the market condition that the instrument of market condition doesn't work. because it has to be, you know, many equal way to do it because we are drawing it. we are supposed to do it is trying to solve the problem for all over to where. so in the market conditions, you don't have anything that guarantee that the market will function as many thinks in to where that, that the market conditions. the only way from our point of view. it can be effective quickly, you know, ace direct transfers for the developing countries in order to solve the problems that we're facing. you what makes it different when it comes from the president of bolivia, as opposed to many other countries, is your lithium reserves and the transfer of energy resource use from fossil fuels to electric. and so when you talk like that at gov 26, presumably they listened to you more. the oligarchs that are there,

the big multi nationals. what was their reaction when you to i like that i would say 2 things. bolivia is the leader or of the like minded developing countries. we have a group there and we, we work together. we have a unique position in the, in this meeting in the cop $26.00 position and everywhere we work together. that's why the developed countries are interesting to talk to us because we are living in those countries. i'm talking about china, i'm talking about india, i'm talking about our countries and talking about many is south american countries . latin american countries that are following us. i mean, i say the leadership of, you know, all these countries in the list are the like minded, developing countries. this is our group and they know with them they, they, they know us. it's the 1st one. and the 2nd one think that maybe they listen to us

is that of course we are, the 1st is the service of lithium in to work. and we are trying to end of july. and of course, that was one of there is one of the could that in 2019 and help anybody here? yeah, i mean, the greatest story in of the americas edward galena said from diamond memorial, that natural resources have been a curse to countries in your region. tell me about the the coup d'etat, you know, that the bars johnson, the government that they did not condemn the massacres of your people when the crew happened. in fact, jeremy corbett, a british labor leader at that time, was criticized for attacking the coo. wow, you know, in bolivia we have 38 people dead in 2019. there are responsible for that. and there. yeah, you know,

deep in bolivia we are following trials against those people that were involved in the program. and there are some are on jailing, you know, in a trial process, normal trial process. and the what the people in believe it, when i was in campaign, asked to me to do it is justice. justice doesn't mean a person, a persecution. it doesn't mean you know which hands whatever you want. no. in here, the government of the quicker the government is coming from the could it, they say and supreme decree where they establish and they asked the and they m compulsory a says to the are here, the army, to go to the streets and go against the people that was in claiming for

election, chantelle and things like that. so i mean, something is that somebody is responsible for these and that's why there are trials in bolivia. so whatever they, they come to, you know, do euro or united states, whatever. trying to say anything different is not true. i mean, well, i mean on to the media reporting go over in a 2nd, but you been, you've criticized the organization of african american states. you criticize with the european union to say, i just want to get on to britain though. what was the role of britain? because britain, we have reports, the british embassy in the buzz funded lithium consultation documents in 2019 the u. k. a. m. i 5 got our doctor, a cybersecurity firm linked to the ca 8 and before the 2 was involved in different

activities. reuters news agency, which historically has been associated with the intelligence agencies, worked with the u. k embassy in your country to train bolivian journalists just before the qu. what is britain's role in the qu? well, i mean, you know, many countries were involved in the credit of 2019. and now the research are showing that for example, democracy government in argentina, mr. lenny moreno in ecuador did participated, you know, sending some weapons and some bullets to libya. and it's completely true because in argentina we have a tried there. you know, and nothing happened in a quite often. but we received from those government, you know, at please given back all the weapons and,

and that we gave it into in 2019. so that's why we, we, you know, we discover these kind of things. so every time, every, a moment that we receive a new report from research form universities from international institutions like, you know, human rights and so on. we are to see more information that we are processing. we are understanding what was going on. and of course, there's many strange things that happened at the time as you measure the participation of the british embassy. there is research and of all if you also, you know, when the could the people who were in the beating trying to decide who is going to be the written expression. and in that meeting a, the ambassador of brazil in bolivia was there was a brazilian bustle doing in will be among the,

the volleyball politicians. you know, i know, even when boys who were coming from the creditor, we don't have any, any proofs yet. but you know, you can use your imagination in order to understand what was going on, but slowly, slowly, but very clear as the light in the darkness. you know, everything will be a clarify in the next months next years. well, lennon moreno, of course, allowed the british police to capture julian sons from the ecuadorian embassy and know that he would say off the record, you know, we get pressure from the united states before you blame countries in, in the region. mister president, i'll stop you there. more from the president of bolivia after this short break.

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with welcome back. i'm still here with the president to bolivia, louis sasa. what did you make of her biden's? actually blink and saying, he's very concerned about demo democracy in your country at the moment. so why did administration? well, you know which democracy in the north american democracy is concerned about, about the politicization of your legal system. and, you know, in washington talks about countries south of the rio grande. what happens? well, i don't think that many, many things can be saved by, by a united states. people are so about democracy. believe the justice in there. or

what i can say is that we won the election to last year with 55 percent of the boats. and in, in bolivia, if you go to a vote process, it's compulsory is not like in the states that you know, 10 percent, 9 percent of people go to the elections or you win with 9 percent. but he's only 10 percent of population. in bolivia is a compulsory, everybody has to go to to the boat to, to, to the elections, to vote. and i want with 555 percent of more than 55 percent off both. so, i mean, which is the more crazy we can show them that there we are more democratic country than ever, you know, because we have more than 50 percent over the population. i backing us, our government and thing about the justice just is we haven't changed any anybody

there in our government. the same people that the managing, the justice when the people were in the government, you know, is the same people that are managing the current justice in believe we didn't change in the judge. we didn't change anybody have the same. so the way that the word processor me has more than 7, it tries against me when i was in campaign, you know, but know the same people is managing the justice. that is managing the tribes against all the people that were in the. so what does, what does blinking mean? of course, he was an architect of the war on libya, africa's richest per capita country by virtue of its oil. we know what happens tomorrow. the nicaraguan elections will receive the united states. try to kill or take it, obviously. and reports of attempts on the life of maduro in venezuela. what

just tell her audience what your interior minister has been saying in recent days? it was a deal castillo horrifying news, arguably at the same mercenary group group that murdered the you are no more, you say 80 attempt to kill. yeah. that's right. people who kill the person in haiti, they were in bolivia because it was traced to a miami group. the haiti assassination of the president. yes, they were, were in your case, what was it? how was it traced? we understand that they, they wanted us, you know, not to, to be the, the, to become the president. you know, there were there everything at, even at the end of the last minute, they wanted to do something because they were not happy with happening in october

last year when we want to elections. so the, so to kill us. and then they, they hired some people to do that, but fortunately they couldn't do anything up to, you know, i was in the government. so we understand that they were trying to do something. i, fortunately nothing, nothing happened. you know, i was taking care of myself and all the people around me was taking care of me and nothing happened. but what we have already known about dsl attention, you know, was that the high people to kill us and that's, that's what is going on on the media and do the website. so nothing to suggest that us intelligence was involved in any way though. well,

all of these things, you know, it's focusing on the former ministry of defense that mrs and you have. yeah, you mentioned brazil earlier. we'll burn president wilson are a hand over fernando lopez. i understand he's in brazil at the moment. if indeed, to, to answer the allegations that he tried to kill you. well, you know, he's, he's not looking anything. there are many people of the government in brass, you know, you know, so we will expect what happened in the trial because we understand that sooner or later, they have to come to libya and see, you know, something in the, in the tribes. they are, they are facing, so we will wait g, aside from the lithium, the nato countries, one from you. and there are obviously vested all the god, interested in bolivia, domestic and it's an extra well,

it's on the internal one. i jeremy corbin here and he came within a couple of 1000 votes of becoming prime minister here in britain amongst a very low media media campaign. he says, you prove that deal liberalism can be turned around something that many people in global self countries. i mean that the probably discouraged but that principle, what is your bonus against hunger initiative that you've instituted in your country in my country, i'm only 30 percent of people have a salary wages. the 7th, the rest of the people is you know, they have a they, they work by themselves. so when the, when they me came to bolivia in march last year they only did quoting tina, you know,

so everybody at home and many people that used to live in the work in day basis. they couldn't earn anything. so there were no money for many families, 70 percent of them. so they were hungry. they started to, you know, they say they started to get some loans, you know, in order to leave and that's why we decided to go to the hungry bone, which is a. yeah. you know, a condition that transfer for everybody who don't have to wait a center and that's the way we are trying to increase the internal demand. because the pandemic, what has what has affected in the really been economy is that you're going to have the month because nobody has money in now we get somebody like we're warranted.

government did here. we had a furlough furlow system. no, not that radical. don't be. we'll wait, say, what is radical though? obviously have been your taking back into democratic control. key industries from milk to i don't know which of water and certainly for why was it important to hand back? the us back. cool leaders was you'd college in years, 300000000 dollar i m f loan. why was it important to have because the i'm, i wouldn't have allowed you to bring back on the democratic control these industries. no, no, you know, even if it currently we would have a agreement with we can broken any time as we did in 2006 when i was there, a miniature of economy or my country. we didn't have when, when, during, during the eval morales presidency. we never had any agreement with the i m f

and we did better in economy. and also at this time, i mean the i m f, the only the only principle that i am ever has when you sign an agreement with them is the conditions of the credit. not only because $300000000.00, you know, i opened the international market for believe year. so i can go to the market easy for me, the $1000000.00 us dollars very easily. now. so $300000000.00. it's not a huge money. you know, for us, the problem is of a hotel room. uh huh. you know, when you st. and agree with the i m f. you have to follow all the requirements, all the conditions. and one of the condition, very important condition that was in the agreement was did believe it has to the evaluate the exchange rate. i mean, you have to move the exchange rate. and that was the problem for us. you know,

not only, you know, you come to sell to sol, how tall you are in public enterprises, which is, you know, coming back to the ninety's in my country, privatized privatizing, you know, but also, the most important thing for us is that, you know, the, the economic policy again will be go to the i m have hands and we don't. we are not agree. we don't agree with that, but it's sister organization. the world bank came to always say, we've learned the i m f. well, i have learned from the mistakes of impoverishing the global south in hundreds of millions of people over decade. i would say one things, what they say. another thing is what they do. oh, retail, castro famously said he should kick the m f out earlier. and, and i think you mentioned cuba in your un general assembly speech in recent days with regard to sanctions. you know, what happens to countries that oppose the, the great economists of the international monetary fund would,

would deliver you be able to cope with sanctions or is just the lithium protect you from sanctions because the whole world once lithia. no, i don't think so. i mean, for a, the cuban problem they are, sometimes we understand they are doing badly, not because of the social is in there because of the, you know, the, the problem they are facing that nobody can trade than work with them. the blockades, they're blocking. that's the problem, because that is the reason why they are not developing as fast as they need to do. i mean, as i said, you've talked about, i mean, the organization of american states, 60 percent of the money comes from the usa. they will be dried to invalidate your democratically elected leadership. what, what is the role of alber? and can it me, worked with in the shanghai cooperation organization to oppose these new liberal

organizations? what, what about these transnational things we have to enhance our, in the scenes. 2019. were we so for liquidity in bolivia, i think we were a little bit, you know, i'd have to explain what alba is. obviously, britain is leaving a big tre group like with breaks it. but what you might have to tell us what alber is, why it's important. it's very important because we can do together. we can corporate each one each other. i mean, there are many advantages to be in algebra, not only for olivia, for been israel level q or what, but also for all the small islands that we have that belong to the algebra in the caribbean ocean. i mean, in the cave and see, sorry. so, you know, i think there are many things that we can work together. we can do together and

received results, dan, going along. i mean, that's the idea. of course, we knew that for them where we can, you know, communicate and we can discuss some word problems that can affect all our countries. and i was just, finally, it's a terrible, terrible question in a way that maybe we ask it on going on to graham. when we ask questions of people who oppose new new liberalism. if something does happen to you will the movement for socialism body have other people to lead in bolivia. it is a serious question given we've seen assassinations just in the past few months. yeah. i mean, i, i have, we have some party the vice president who's doing well, but also we have young people like the president of the snake. like our just president of the deputy assembly as well. i mean,

there are some many young people that are coming in behind. you're sure about them all. rafael korea was on our show recently. promoted marina. well, i can say anything about it, but in the case of the m. m. a, sim, bolivia. i understand that we have people following, i mean there are people, i am not only the only one that could recover the democracy in believe and recover all the government. i think we have people that we can trust, you know, in the same way, you know, with the same pressure both the same made ology. and i mean, i don't see any problem. and they think they know because we're trying now to to prepared more young people for the coming days. we need more leaders. we need a tentative for the democratic or for the democracy under, for democratic

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