market conditions, market instrument. so that's why we decided to, you know, to propose another, a tentative mechanism instrument in noted, you know, all the developing countries can face the product, which is, which are new market instruments for those 100000000 dollars and a $1000000000.00 that they provide. they compromise in, in parties agreement, but we haven't seen anything yet. yeah. they, they promised it. and so when you talked of your proposals, all we had from rich countries, a good on the so called mainstream media major media. they talked about carbon markets. the need to increase g d p and net 0. what your reaction to these kinds of policies while they are talking about cedar net in 2050, you know, and we are talking about the year that we have do the rich,

the goal. why point 6. grades a center of the grades in 2030. so there's a lot of difference because if you written in 2050 i, it's, and reversible. the problem is not the ritual anymore for all over the where. i mean, that's why we have to go to have to meet our word, i said, and they say carbon markets and capitalist free markets. other solution to this, no, because the market's the, you know, 1st of all, the market is not a transporting mechanism because it has a symmetries uncertainties. and the market never works. you know, there are many papers in the world that demonstrate that the market mechanisms are not always working as they used as, as they,

as they are supposed to do it. so the best way to do it in a quickly manner, more effective way is in a, in a direct to transfer from the rich countries to our countries in technology, in, you know, immigration and so on, in order even there reforest and forest. and son in order to face the climate crisis that were facing. yeah, they were celebrating forestry agreements. so when you talk about the markets, i mean, is it more mysterious than incur civilizations in bolivia? the way this market works? you mentioned just their technology trends. were you know, the big talk as it got 26? they love intellectual property rights that protect the bill. gates benefited greatly from the coven vaccine. and understand maybe some of the delegates from the

global south. we're interested in intellectual property rights, especially given we're in the pandemic. one, you know, the market is the maxim's or it's american days now. and everything in the capital image is a merchandise. so what do we need to change is change our mind. there are things that we have sort of in the direct way, not in the market condition because in the market, you know, you don't play in the same in the same condition. you and me, your, for, i'm demanded. you know, you were not playing the same where you have more power than me and you, we did the market. and of course, the market condition that the instrument of market condition doesn't work. because it has to be, you know, many equal way to do it because we are trying it, we are supposed to do. it is trying to solve the problem for all over to where. so in the market conditions, you don't have anything that guarantee that the market will function as many thinks

in to where that, that the market conditions. the only way from our point of view that can be effective quickly, you know, is direct transfers for the developing countries in order to solve the problems that we're facing. you what makes it different when it comes from the president of bolivia, as opposed to many other countries, is your lithium reserves and the transfer of energy resource use from fossil fuels to electric. and so when you talk like that at gov 26, presumably they listened to you more. the oligarchs that are there, the big multi nationals. what was their reaction when you to i like that i would say 2 things. bolivia is the leader or of the like minded developing countries. we have a group there and we, we work together. we have a unique position in the, in this meeting in the cop $26.00 position and everywhere we work together. that's

why the developed countries are interesting to talk to us because we are living in those countries. i'm talking about china, i'm talking about india, i'm talking about our countries and talking about many american countries, latin american countries that are following us. i mean, i say the leadership of, you know, all these countries, the list or the like minded developing countries. this is our group and they know with them they, they, they know us. it's the 1st one. and the 2nd think that maybe they listen to us is that of course we are the 1st service of lithium into we're and we are trying to end of july. and of course, that was one of there is one of the could at that in 2019 and help anybody. yeah, i mean, the greatest story in of the americans, edward galena said from time immemorial, that natural resources have been

a curse to countries in your region. tell me about the the coup d'etat, you know, that the bars johnson, the government that they did not condemn the massacres of your people when the crew happened. in fact, jeremy corbett, a british labor leader at that time, was criticized for attacking the coo. wow, you know, in bolivia we have 38 people dead in 2019. there are responsible for that. and there. yeah, you know, the, in bolivia we are following trials against those people that were involved in the program. and there are some on jail in, you know, in a trial process normal trial process. and what the people usually do when i was in campaign, asked me to do it is justice. justice doesn't mean a person,

a persecution. it doesn't mean you know which hands whatever you want. know here the government of the credit that the government is coming from the could it, they scion a supreme decree where they establish and they ask the or, and they m compulsory a says to the, are here the army to go to the streets and go against the people that was in claiming for election, chantelle and things like that. so i mean, something is that somebody is responsible for these and that's why they are trials in bolivia. so whatever they, they come to, you know, do europe or united states,

whatever. trying to say anything different is not true. i mean, well, i mean, although long to the media reporting go over in a, in a 2nd, but you've been, you've criticized the organization of african of american states. you criticize with the european union to say, i just want to get on to britain though. what was the role of britain? because britain and we have reports, the british embassy in the buzz funded lithium consultation documents in 2019 the u. k. a. m. i 5 got our dark tre cybersecurity firm linked to the cia 8 months before the coo was involved in different activities. roaches. the news agency, which historically has been associated with the intelligence agencies, worked with the u. k embassy in your country to train bolivian journalists just before the qu. what is britain's role in the qu, when, on mute, you know,

many countries were involved in the collector of 2019. and now the research are showing that for example, democracy government in argentina, mr. lennon moreno in ecuador did participated, you know, send in some work on and some bullets to olivia. and that's completely true because in argentina we have a tried there. you know, and nothing happened in a quite often. but we received from the old government, you know, at please given back all the weapons and, and that we gave it into in 2019. so that's why we, we, you know, we discover these kind of things. so every time, every, a moment that we received a new report from research form universities from international institutions like, you know,

human rights and so on. we are receiving more information that we are processing. we are understanding what was going on. and of course, there's many strange things that happened at the time as you measure the participation of the british embassy. there is research and about lithium. also, you know, when they call the people who were in the beating, trying to decide who is going to be the written expression. and in that meeting a, the ambassador of brazil in bolivia was there was a brazilian bustle doing in the we are among the, the olivia politicians. you know, even even worse. who were coming from the computer. we don't have any, any proof, see it. but you know, you can use your imagination in order to understand what was going on, but slowly, slowly, but very clear as the light in the darkness, you know, know,

everything will be clarify in the next months. next. yes. well, lennon moreno, of course, allowed the british police to capture julian aside from the ecuadorian embassy and know that he would say off the record. no, we get pressure from the united states before you blame countries in, in the region. so president, i'll stop you there. more from the president to bolivia after this short break. oh, became a test bed for medical and then later recreational marijuana and it started with something. so, and it's saying i was wanting to socialize, everybody does it. so why can't i and then it just keeps going and going and going

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just don't know. i mean, you well, yes to shape out. you seem to come to the african and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will depart, we choose to look for common ground. welcome back. i'm still here with the president of bolivia, louis sasa. what did you make of a biden's, actually blink, and saying, he's very concerned about demo democracy in your country at the moment. what is the why did ministration? well, you know which of the markers here. i mean, the north american democracy is concerned about, about the politicization of your legal system. and you know, when washington talks about countries, the south of the rio grande are what happens. well, i don't think that many,

many thinks can be saved by by a united states. people are so about democracy. believe the justice in virginia. or what i can say is that we won the election last year with 55 percent of the boats. and in, in bolivia it to go to a vote process. it's compulsory. it's not like in right to states that you know, 10 percent 9 percent of people go through the elections or you win with 90 percent . but it's only 10 percent of population. im olivia is a compulsory, everybody has to go to to the boat to, to, to the elections, to vote. and i want with 555 percent of more than 50 percent of both. so, i mean, which is democracy. we can show them that there we are more democratic country than

ever, you know, because we have more than 50 percent of the population. i backing us, our government and thing about the justice, the justice. we haven't changed any anybody there. so in our government, the same people that managing the justice when dia credit that people were in the government, you know, is the same people that are managing the current justice. in bolivia, we didn't change in the judge. we didn't change anybody have the same with other that there were a processor me, i have more than 7. it tries against me when i was in campaign, you know, but no, the same people is managing the justice. that is managing the tribes against all the people that were in the so what does, what does blinking mean? of course, he was an architect of the war and libya, africa's richest per capita country by virtue of its oil. we know what happens

tomorrow. the nicaraguan elections, obviously the united states tried to kill or take it obviously and, and reports of attempts on the life of maduro in venezuela. what just tell her audience what your interior minister has been saying in recent days, edward dill castillo horrifying news, arguably at the same mercenary group group that murdered govern. elmore, you say 80 attempted to kill. yeah. that's right. people who kill the oppression in haiti. there were in bolivia because it was traced to a miami group, the haiti assassination of the president. yes, they were. what were in your case, what was it? how was it traced? we understand that they, they wanted us, you know, not to, to be the, the,

to become the president. you know, they were doing everything at, even at the end of the last minute. they wanted to do something because they were not happy. what we have been in october last year when we want to elections. so they decide to kill us. and they, they, they hired some people to do that. but fortunately, they couldn't do anything up to, you know, i was in the government. so we understand that they were trying to do something. i fortunately nutty and nothing happened. you know, i was taking care of myself and all the people around me was taking care of me and nothing happened. but what we have already known about dia, attention, you know, was that the high people to kill us and that's,

that's what is going on on the media and do a website. so nothing to suggest that us intelligence was involved in any way though. well, all of these things, you know, it's focusing on the former ministry of defense that mrs. i news have. yeah, you mentioned brazil earlier. it will, bob resident ball scenario hand over fernando lopez. i understand he's in brazil at the moment. if indeed, to, to answer the allegations that he tried to kill you. well, you know, he says he's not talking anything. there are many people of the government in brazil, you know, you know, so we will expect what happened in the trial because we understand that sooner or later, they have to come to olivia and see, you know, something in the, in the tribes. they are, they are facing so we will wait g, aside from the lithium,

the nato countries, one from you. and there are obviously vested all the god interest in bolivia, domestic and in certain annex that will live on the internal one. i jerry corbin here and he came within a couple of 1000 votes of becoming prime minister here in britain amongst a very low media media campaign. he says, you prove that deal liberalism can be turned around something that many people in global self countries. i mean, that probably discouraged that principle. what is your bonus against hunger initiative that you've instituted in your country in my country? i'm only 30 percent of people have a salary wages the 7th, the rest of the people. it's, you know, they have a, they,

they work by themselves. so when the pandemic can't came to bolivia in march last year they only did quoting tina, you know, so everybody at home and many people that used to live in the working day basis. they couldn't earn anything so they to wear no money for many families. 70 percent of them. so they were hungry. they started to, you know, they say they started to get some loans, you know, in order to leave and that's why we decided to go to the hungry bone, which is a you know, a conditional transfer for everybody who don't have their wages, a salary. and that's the way we are trying to increase the internal demand,

because the pandemic whitehouse has affected in the will you be an economy? is that you, you don't have the money because nobody has money. and now we get somebody like wars johnson government did. here we had a fellow furlow system. no, not that radical, don't be. we'll wait. say, what is radical though. obviously have been your taking back into democratic control. key industries from milk to i don't know, much of water and certainly why was it important to hand back? the us back. qu, leader, i suppose you'd call a janina nears $300000000.00. i am f loan. why was it important to have? because the i'm, i wouldn't have allowed you to bring back on the democratic control these industries. no, no, you know, even if it currently we would have a agreement with, i mean, we can broken anytime as we did in 2006 when i was the minister of economy or my

country. we didn't have when, when, during, during the eval morales presidents you, we never had any agreement with the i m f and we did better in economy. and also at this time, i mean the i m f, the only the only principle that i am ever has when you signed an agreement with them is the conditions of the credit. not only because $300000000.00, you know, i opened the international market for believe year. so i can go to the market. is your 5 how the me little $1000000.00 us dollars very easily. now. so $300000000.00. it's not a huge money, you know, for as the problem is, right as of a hotel room, you know, when you st. and agree with the i am if you have to follow all the requirements, all the conditions. and one of the condition,

very important condition that was in the agreement was did bolivia has to the evaluate the exchange rate? i mean, you have to move the exchange rate and that was the problem for us. you know, not only, you know, you have to sell to sol, how tall you are in public enterprises, which is, you know, coming back to the ninety's in my country, privatise privatizing, you know, but also the most important thing for us is that, you know, the economy policy again will be go to the i, you move hands and we don't, we are not agree. we don't agree with that, but it's sister organization. the world bank came to always say, we've learned the m, f and well, bank i've learned from the mistakes of impoverishing the global south and hundreds of millions of people over decade. i would say one thinks of what they say. another thing is what they do. oh, retail gastro famously said he should kick the m f out earlier. and, and i think you mentioned cuba in your un general assembly speech in recent days

with regard to sanctions. you know, what happens to countries that oppose the, the great economists of the international monetary fund would, would believe you'll be able to cope with sanctions or is just the lithium protect you from sanctions because the whole world once lithium, they're now either fix. i mean, for a, the cuban problem they are, sometimes we understand they are doing badly, not because of the social is in there because of the, you know, the, the problem. they are facing that nobody can tre than work with them. the blockades, they're blocking. that's the problem, because that is the reason why they are not developing as fast as they need to do. i mean, as i said, you've talked about, i mean, the organization of american states,

60 percent of the money comes from the usa. they argued, we tried to invalidate your democratically elected leadership. what, what is the role of albert? and can it be worked with in the shanghai cooperation organization to oppose these new liberal organizations? what, what about these trends that we have to enhance our, you know, since 2019 were we so for liquidity in bolivia, i think we were at least, you know, i'd have to explain what alba is. obviously, britain is leaving a big trade group like with breaks it, but what you might have to tell us what alber is, why it's important. it's very important because we can do together. we can corporate each one each other. i mean, there are many advantages to be in algebra, not only for olivia for been israel level q or what, but also for all the small islands that we have that belong to the ira. in the

caribbean ocean, i mean, in the cave and see, sorry. so, you know, i think there are many things that we can work together. we can do together and receive results. dan, going along. i mean, that's the idea of what we need for them. what we can, you know, communicate and we can discuss some word problems that can affect through all our countries. and i was just finally into terrible, terrible question in a way. maybe we ask it on going on the ground when we ask questions of people who oppose new neoliberalism. if something does happen to you will the movement of socialism body have other people to lead in bolivia? it is a serious question given we've seen assassinations just in the past few months. yeah. i mean i, i have,

we have some party the vice president who's doing well. but also we have young people like the president of the she, nate, like our just president of the deputy care assembly as well. i mean there are some many young people that are coming, you know, be higher. sure about them all. rafael korea was on a show recently promoted marina. well, i can't say anything about it, but in the case of the m. m a symbol e b m. i understand that we help people following, i mean, there are people. i'm not only the only one that could recover the democracy in believe and recover all the government. i think we have people that we can trust, you know, in the same way, you know, with the same place supposed to submit. it ology and i mean,

i don't see any problem. and i think they know because we're trying now to, to prepare more young people for the coming days. we need more leaders. we need a tentative for the democratic or for the democracy and the for democratic a internal elections as well. president luis awesome. thank you. thank you. that's it for one of your favorite shows of the last season. we'll be back on wednesday, the 12th of january, but until then stay safe. and you can watch all our interviews by subscribing to our youtube channel. i'm falling us on all our social media with at the end of every year across stock to answer some of your many questions. not surprisingly, many of your questions, concerns politics,

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