well, i suppose the, the gestation of this book goes by quite a long way, and it hasn't just been precipitated by recent events. but i do see the thing is that i outlined at the end of the master in his embassy, where i gave a sort experiment. what was it will be like if the left hemisphere is way of thinking had dominated completely and we no longer have access to the wisdom that the right hemisphere could give us. what would it look like? and the also was very like the society. i think readers could recognize that we were living in the since, and i think things have accelerated and the situation has become critical in many respects. and i believe very strongly that it's not, it's necessary to do many practical steps to the destruction of the planet and destruction of our society. but it's not just enough to do those practical things, because if we don't change the way we think we'll just carry on repeating the same

mistakes. you set it on many occasions, but i think it's worth repeating, that the master in santa clara metaphor is based on that class of china. the secret of the golden flower which compares our conscious mind to astride in general, who wants to control things from a distance until the sword is turned around. and then any such tales annessa around the world, usually resulting in things falling apart. i you sure that me or indeed on the down toward jack tree as opposed to, you know, things taking their natural developmental route than our consciousness or collective consciousness. differentiating through trials and tribulations me inevitably include some extremes. i call myself a hopeful pessimist by which i mean it doesn't look good, but i see a rush and then at least by spirit. good will i like that?

thank you for the government. i think i'm hopeful in the sense that we never do really know what is coming next and times in history. one can be very surprised by a sudden turn in the human spirit when required. but i do think we need such a to know, i'm mostly hopeful that there are enough people who see this problem is as important as it is. and what i want to do in this book is just give carriage really to people to see the world in a different way, which i think intuitively they have an understanding that historically, as you pointed out in the mythologies around the world, people have intuitive to way in which their own minds work, they've been to that there is a bit that is very talkative and thinks it's very clever but doesn't know very much . and when that dominates the rest of one's wisdom, which is implicit and in voted, then trouble starts to happen. and so i think people recognize that there is that

problem and i'm giving people confidence to, to reject a very simplistic point of view that is being rammed down our throats by popular science and journalism that really we know that which is we don't, we know that the world is appointed heap of fragments that have no meaning, shape, beauty, or complexity of purpose. and that we are part of that mess. and i have to reject this vision of humanity who we are and what the world is and how we connect. and i do that by rigorous examination of science, of neurology and physics, along with philosophy appointed. here are often me is that the last thomas here, 1st we presentation to present an app instead of a terrain traction inside of the body leaving it would be useful and rewarding at

times. but too much, if anything becomes unpleasant and think this is the point where both our individual and collective psyche demands a correction not just asks for correction, but demands it. i think your has our collective right hemisphere been so dormant and so pack that when it's time tree has been irreverently invaded and misused with a number of problems for the right hemisphere. if you like it, it's one that knows very much more and understands more. and it's a very complex picture. the left hemisphere doesn't really know very much, it just knows what to do to press the button to make things happen for it. the right time. if it doesn't even have language and it has language, but it doesn't have speech for most of us are right, hemisphere count speak, it all has to be passed through the left hemisphere is ability to put that into

words and language. and in doing so, it distorts and in all the coaches that i've looked at, and the ancient wisdom coaches of east and west, there is an ancient awareness that language betrays, he's very deep and it's very useful for everyday things. you know, can i have a cup of coffee, but when it's actually coming to the issues of what his love, what his time work, what is because most made of what do we mean when we talk of the sacred these things are incredibly difficult to express and it's much easier to we say it's money for road road, which means it's extremely easy to get away with rubbishing. all those things say well, you know, they can, we don't really need to take them into account. we can't measure them, we can't see them. but actually they are the, the important things our lives center on. you also point out that the book that

this is specialization here is rolled out of all living beings, necessity to keep or focus on to why those things at once to eat and not be eaten. and when it comes to the issue of sustenance, you know, the basic congress or basic security of life, it's lisa the western world. that problem is solved, but it seems that the left hemisphere and remember not because you're right in many of your books, it's primarily be western problem. is it a fact? let's say the china realization or the russians, or some of the south americans to much lesser expand people in the why. why do you think that is religion, the historical differences in the history of ideas? but i think the reason it's dominating in the west, and sadly you mentioned china, which from which we could have learned a lot is ancient traditions of wisdom,

rich and important. but now, alas, china is more pernicious lee, occidental then the west is it's, it's taking the worst part of the west and exaggerated it kind of how many layers, you know, they, they made one thing and be totally different when they're in the privacy of their own home, correct, all complex, and we are in the west as well. say there are many people who low the culture has this rapacious quality. they themselves share that sense of the need to destroy and sees. but i think it has become an addiction really in the west. the sense of power is highly addictive. the left hemisphere, if you'd like to put it very simply, it's rational dentures control. it's, it's reason for existence is that it helps us manipulate and control and anxious when it's not in control and doesn't of the power. it becomes paranoid. and that's

the world that we've entered into. it's a very one sided picture of the word, you know, in my own psychological, our struggles in development. i came to think that some of my pleasant symptoms persisted thoughts absolutely. and for so long precisely to allow the internal law to run it, making sure no change to crystallize, gather steam and sort of take hold more deeply. i wonder if that would also be applied to our collective psyche. we're wasting collective psyche. what is one of the reasons why, as i say, a difficult thing to predict the future because it's not as the left hemisphere things linea. when you go very far in one direction, you don't get further and further away from itself is it you get closer and closer to its opposite? which is why so often the outcomes of paradoxical society strives to freedom and becomes a tyranny. in russia,

you have seen this with in fact, we can't predict what will happen when a certain thing changes as in that expression from the, the secret of the golden flow. so it is turned around, well that, that moment when the sword is turned around may come at a moment of crisis. i think someone says, the worse it gets, the better it get it. meaning that the more things build up to something that really is present and destructive, the more a drive to change it. and in this regard, i guess we can see the proliferation of the so called ease of despair in the west anxiety alixia depression. not necessarily as something that is going to do in the western civilization, but actually the signs of recovery and feelings are calm because every symptom,

as i'm sure you would agree contains. and that i know of something that is my super and something that calls for being reveal. yes. and it also workspace way say that things that we think some of us have a dock side and denying the dock side. you mentioned you. it was a keen on this idea and he meant he had a, a concept in and he a drone. yeah. which meant the by going in one direction, you achieve the opposite, say, getting away from a linear idea of reality towards one in which opposites tend to go together. is a kind of important insight. i think one that we could explore at length, but we don't have time to screw it. well, unfortunately, we don't have time and we'll go more than that. we have to take a very short break right now. and dr. mcgill, christie will be back in just a few moments they can. ah,

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ah ah welcome back to with miguel chris reeder's psychiatrists and also in matter with dr. my gilchrist. essential idea of your book is that the way we attend, that is the way we dispose our consciousness towards the world pre determines what we find me. if we look out for some concrete, explicit things, we may find them, but you may also lose something more important in the process. how do you personally train your mind to stay open to your conscience both think,

do you have any bite? practically, the practical advice becomes rather no, but i think the thing is that one can do practices of meditation positions. mindfulness are all about attending to things in an open way, rather than already conceiving them as part of this mental map. the representation you describe is already the left hemisphere has we need to re encounter the presence, the reality of the whatever it isn't in front of us. and that is actually a spiritual go. and it's also much great art. and many spirits that i know have talks about the way in which the imagination key is a way that they look familiarity to bring something forward for the 1st time and spending more time in nature. because nature speaks to us in many, many ways emotionally, to all our senses in an embodied way. it shows us how complex the world is

in our minds. we can think we've worked it all out. it's simple. but we see these infinitely complex living systems that speak to us. this changes the way in which we think about the world to an emphasis on all those things, spending time in nature, spending time with the arts, with music. she was reading, imaginative work philosophy. i think to me and meditation, what i like about your book is that you approach the question of the sacred the ultimate arrive thomas issue with the direct mess. granularity of the last time a year. and i think your to mr. 5 domestic to big span. the current knowledge allows and i would even say it's not a complement. i really think that you do the same thing. that's all proud if used to do, you know, engaging both judith and with his diamond in a,

in a very rational and ritual way, marrying those 2 things. i wonder if that's what our time our is ultimately about redefining. they create an established a new relationship with it's perhaps a more interactive relationship rather than serve and or suppressive as before. well, i think is an enormously important part of what it means to be a human being. and just because it's very difficult to articulation to argue about, doesn't mean it's negative law doesn't exist. that's a huge mistake. pharmacy is mistake. but there are many things that go beyond language and beyond reason, and they're all the really important things. that's why we have poetry and that's why we have music. that is indeed why we have religious rituals and narratives and miss because they embody things that are not lies just because they have not

uncomfortable with in everyday science. they go beyond into, around which, greater sciences and graces, rationality is lies beyond the scope. that's not to disrespect science and reason i'm a scientist. and i think that the world needs more good science and good reason. but we also need to engage intuition and imagination. so i see these things of absolutely not in conflict is the left hemisphere. in fact, that has set these things up as opposite. whereas in fact, if you pay attention to the way in which great scientific and mathematical discoveries were made, you can see that they involve insight, intuition, and imagination. such are the greatest artists. so i want to see the bringing together these things. i'm glad that you pointed out that in, in trying to draw attention because me as a lot of time and effort, i can tell you to write about the safe it. because whatever you say is somehow wrong, you know, i understand this is

a crime more dr. i'm in this is something that you can of that kind of big, but it's also a fine line to walk people or humans in indirect rather than god. that's a rather shaky ground. i mean, it can get you into the realm with a project very quickly. have that ever been an issue for you? how to stay human safely in the presence of those crime, more forces being human is to deal with these primordial forces. that's my point, and it is sort of a question over you can avoid it. and the rest of this book where something that took me over it was like socrates described having a diamond demon that directed him. and i felt this very strongly in writing this book when i tried to do is to present a whole new philosophy of life and of the cosmos,

what things are and how we can know them. because i think the deadly need of this. if we don't have some vision of who we are, what the world is and how we relate well last. so there was a very strong drive to do this. and i knew it would be a colossal task and take me a very long time and it nearly killed me writing it. but i survived. it's that and people are responding warmly to it. so i'm very pleased about this. you mentioned that when you were writing it, you had an experience similar to the one the credit card with his dominant actually . you know, i tend to believe that we see a lot of people these days who have a direct immediate relationship with their countries. and i found some support for him to work and were that you're a union analyst who rode into work and the christian architects. but starting from

the mid 1500, be the number of such a direct experience as have started to enhance the why could more and more people for example be something that they saw particular say apostle paul experience is now becoming available to you more and more people you see that the support for that in your work. so what do you think it would mean for humanity? i understand there is no definitive answer there. but some of your integrations maybe, gosh, i know, i'm not sure i know about this increase in these experiences. what i do know is that if you ask people in this country, do you believe in god, in terms of belonging to religion and perhaps about 11 percent of the population say so. but if you asked and have you had any experience or something that convinces you that there is more to this world than the materialist, reductionist account, 95 percent of people say so they've clearly see something and there are many

experiences. i think what may give the impression that it's on the increase is actually the internet and the ability for people to to find other people who have these experiences and to talk about them in the past. perhaps that was more difficult. but i think that probably one of the, you know, it's a mixed blessing the internet. it has, it's very dark effects and it has some lighter effects. and one may be that it has brought fluid. this awareness that many people do have life changing experiences to which they say i can no longer believe that there is nothing to ryan in this world . i've experienced it. so i'm glad you mentioned the world wide web because your book, you use the experience, the image of the web as an illustration of how the right time of your approach is the world that sees it through the prism of relationships rather than the life of things that i be related to what's important in ada. obviously,

i know things that are caught in it, but rather the intersection. that's what makes the whole structure. and i think over the last couple of years we've seen dramatic proliferation of various match structures starting with the internet, but also various social groups, even more integrated ways of doing science. you know, sizes are working together from all over the worlds and various project. there's lots of, for example, commerce in local communities on a global level. so this combination of local and big mobile isn't that's also one of the indications of the collective right hemisphere or the right kind of ways reasserting themselves. i can see that you could see it that way and you referred to some very positive aspects of this process. but there are other, the others that are very obvious. manifestations of the left hemisphere mindset. the virtualization, the abstraction from a deep context, the dismemberment,

and the setting up of clues to bubbles in which people only hear reinforcements of their point to view. this is very typical of the left it sees. it seeks to hear only what it already thinks it knows. i think it can do like things it can, it can be used for good or ill. i think a lot of it is not very good, but it has its benefits. 5 person benefit from it because i live in a rather remote positive person on an island that's a long way from a library. but because of the internet, i can access learning journals at 2 o'clock in the morning. if i went to this is wonderful. i can certainly, residents are some of the dangers that your articulating question because i'm a russian and we, the russians that chan to be very much a tune to this right hemisphere calling i, you know,

all things mystical and you know, the end of history of golden age visions of bertha as you know, perhaps from our history. sometimes it could lead you into very, very dark corners. when you hear divine callings and when you try to concrete ties them. if could get very dangerous, we talk about the radical transformation personality transformation in that happens to society as a whole. i when you're welcome it. no, i think where you're pointing to is. and i think there's a greek saying that when go builds a church, the devil bills on the right next door. and i think this is way in which the light to go to the evil are very close to one another. and you need to stick quite carefully. the history of religion is full of people who saw that they were on the

side of god and were doing evil things. so people can be mistaken. and i can relate this partly to hemisphere differences because in order to understand religion, you have to have a certain degree of humility before things that you may not understand, you need to be compassionate. you need to be flexible. you need to have an eye to the opposite. so the hidden everything the you're saying, where is the last time it says there is just a truth. and in this book we wrote it down. and now this is the truth. and if you don't believe this truth, you are bad and we are good and we are right and you are wrong. and all this only, this is the opposite of the spirit of any religion. and of course it's the opposite of the spirit of christ. and it's the offices of this page of the great mystical traditions of the orient. i my so much i have to find that that the left hemisphere

has so anxious relationship with time. it wants everything to be done, not just the time, but ahead of time. and when it tries to hurry things that's when the trouble usually happens and it not only that religion, let's say, i mean, in my country marxism leninism. i also try to be ahead of time and that you know that many millions of people that lives less lewis, things that have happened in the world have been done by people who had a great vision of how society could be better. that great vision is typically the less hemisphere representation. it's not real, it doesn't take into account any of the complexity of reality. the subtlety, various and complex people are put them into categories says this lot is bad. we'll get rid of them. you know and change is an organic process. change is an evolution and the opposition is not between the status and everything must stay the same and

everything must be radically change. radical change is not the way that kills. if you take a plant and you want it to grow up to war, you don't pick it out to the ground and stick it off to walk. you got a dead plan, not going to achieve the end that you want. you train the plant to go and to thrive in a certain way. i would say a garden account make a plan to even make a plant growth. who's the god and i can do is either stand the plans and stop it from growing or give it the place in which it will strive. and that is what we need to be doing is not trying to make things happen according to our will. because we've got the idea, usually our idea will be harebrained, crazy idea, which will cause suffering and destruction. what we need to do is to be encouraging and giving space to things that we can see now good creative, compassionate,

and let them grow and flourish. well, unfortunately, i have never thought anyone any a thank you very much. thank you very much for inviting me a with ah ah

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