how an outwardly negative proposition can result in something good. and that is the way of life. you know, there are opportunities that come our way. and depending what you do without opportunity can become a negative thing or a positive thing. and i'm sure of those who took that voyage across the seas, not even being sure where they would go in and what would happen. we're glad in the end that they were able to establish such a nation of greys, a nation of history. and i think it's something that is a good story, even though it might have started of as a, as a bad seed. god uses whatever he chooses to make whatever he has made. and i think we are grateful. now he said it was a good story, but it wasn't without its own blemishes. at least on what i've read. the 1st settlers, despite their experience of objectification and exploitation, did do the same thing to the aboriginals. and they bought and sold people who

initially lived on that land and they treated them as humans, not over a 2nd, but even the 3rd kind. and i think that's not so much for something about your history. but about. 1 the human psychology, do you think it's inevitable that those who are discriminated in the past some time sometimes become discriminated themselves? is that inevitable? and i believe people are part of what they know. i mean the grub in slavery, all they saw was slavery. and in the midst of the slavery, there was discrimination depending on the color of your skin. if you were lighter, you had a little bit better opportunities. if you were a darker, you know, you were in the sunshine and in the fuels. and so that was what they knew. unfortunately, they come to liberia and what didn't new is what they put into place. good and bad . now your former colonial master of the united states is now having its own brush with their racist question. and it's, it's

a very interesting time because on the one hand, people are becoming much more aware of the deep seated and not always apparent roots of races. but on the other hand, you know, people who feel that they were unfairly treated as sometimes eager to meet out the same discrimination on to other groups. i wondering them to the united states and how to deal with this. such an intricate and such a complicated, multifaceted problem. and there's something strange that happened in our country that makes our story a little bit different. after a while, the racist mixed into marriages, it wasn't easy in the beginning. people were forbid it for marrying natives or aborigines, but love always finds his way. and so by the time we get to my generation, there are no true conbal families or america liberian families they've

all been mixed in. so it makes it easier for us now because if you look at the name and my maiden name is howard, even though my father was an aborigine and original, his family is an original family. we don't have any mixed blood. but because he happened to have been trained by missionaries in those days, you have to take on that name there. so we have the name howard. so sometimes people see me and they're like okay, she's one of them. but i always ask them, is there any one of them today? i don't think so. and so i believe we've been able to into relate, we've been able to manage our crisis, or remember to become one people offend. we have become one people or remember 40 years ago when the crisis began in 1980 odd. 4 they hold, so call a america liberian lina was overthrown. a lot of people were killed in the process because the native liberians felt that they had been dis,

advantage for so many years. and. busy this was their country over the past 4050 years. that is no longer the case. this situation in the united states has come about because a fear of the true blooded americans now feel that they are the minority. and that could be true if you look at the numbers the last year, a lot of you man, the white ones out again, some of them are mixed. some of them have had a marriages with spanish, a black american. so there's a whole group of americans that are mixed. you know, you hear them say i'm, i'm, i'm african american, i'm spanish american, i'm british american. so the bloodlines have been mixed. but i believe that there is some families that are just still pure american families without any large infiltration of blood from other from other sectors. and what is important is that they get up one morning. they find out that if you look at the numbers, the, his hispanic numbers are overwhelming. we now have

a country where we are non did minority, and may be a sphere. am of the large numbers of, of, of, of, of, mixed race is that they have. and i would like to know humans since look at that, maybe a sphere that has them react in the way they have. what it takes is that those will have the larger numbers that's consumed assure that they are just humans and that they want a chance to live in the land of liberty. and that opportunities should be provided . because if you look at it, the other way is really scary. let's go to the economic issues because you've been a vocal advocate of the african industrial revolution. turning the continent from a source of raw materials for everyone else into its own self sustaining power house. and it's been an obvious and long overdue proposition. why do you think it has not so far been realized? you know, we've been talking about that for decades and decades and decades, and we're still talking about it. i hope this is a did

a decade of change. i believe some of the things that have prevented this whole thought process of the industrial revolution is there's still some members of our elite members like the they did the those we had our governments that still believed they can't do anything without outside influence. i like the fact that many leaders are not talking about the fact that, hey, we can do this. if we just manage to put ourselves together. we have the last, maybe 40 percent of the remaining resources in the world. what makes this time more important is that there are now innovations that have been done across the world that we can take advantage of. we wouldn't be doing coal plants, for example. we now have solar energy and high hydro energy, a wind energy. so we could do green energy across africa. the good thing is we are the bottom of the ballot barrel and we can build what we want. people need to now look at what we have in terms of us. it has to be an us perception is not about the

10 percent that already have it. and that's why we have some of the crisis that we have. but the back of the matter is if we don't find a way to form these partnerships, that will help us build, develop, innovate what we have, the west suffers, look at the amount of migration that, well, let me actually, i have a question about that because you are leading perfectly to it. you said that recently that africa is now at a point when we quote, we need mutually rewarding partnerships. now just grants and i want to ask you whether the world, the developed world is ready to offer you that not just a helping hand, but the firm and an equal handshake. a fair share, they don't have a choice. and the reason is look up some of the negative things that you're having . if you go to the countries that are around the african shore, hundreds and thousands of young people are dying in the seas, but some of them keep reaching to your shores. and in time, there's

a crisis on the african continent, people spill over into the western world. so i think as in the advantage of both africa and the rest of the world to begin to look at these partnerships, can you sustain africa in a way bring your, your, your, your technology, bring you a industrialization, help us build to secure job opportunities for our young people, so they can start thinking that is better across the seas than it is there. so it is in their advantage to do that matter my 1st, and it's been 10 years since the arab revolution and the disintegration of libya, which i think played a major role in enabling those migrant flows. and over the last decade, many politicians across western europe have been talking about investing, as you said, in africa, to make sure that people stay put, that they have good prospects for life. that they don't have to take this very dangerous journey. and they, they don't have to, you know, a comment to those societies and such large and skewed numbers because it's

primarily young males who go there and that is associated with its own set of issues. is that still at the level of rhetoric, or do you actually see in being realized in your continent or in your country or across the continent? i think there are some businesses that are taking that literally, there are more companies now moving to africa in terms of bringing what did know and helping us manage our resources. we need much more than that because for every country that is in the state of crisis at instability, then you have people saying, hey, i don't want to be here. how can i find somewhere else that has greener pastures? africa is ready. i think the. busy rhetoric of how the media sees africa needs to change the rhetoric. is that or there's always crisis? there's always war. there's always disease well and now, but there really is everywhere. and the fuck is we didn't create a corona. it came from somewhere in the west to us. how can you know,

looking at the way that we are integrated? all it is one person leaving liberia in the ball. i should add just traveling somewhere else, and no one knows he has a boiler that can effect an entire community. so that is the fear that is on both sides. we need to really integrate. we need to provide better educational opportunities for our young people, innovation and i c t training so that we're able to stay where we come from. and i think every african would be proud to be where you are. be able to be what you want to be, have a society that provides the abilities and the opportunities that we all want to see . well, a matter my friend for the time being, we have to take a very, very short break, but we will be back in just a few moments stationed. ah welcome to mac as a financial survival guide. looking forward to your benjamin down.

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parents that have to see what i saw. if you're denying payment for someone's care, your make life and death decision and determine to get to live and who dies to me this best getting away with murder. mm. mm. welcome back to well, the parents with liberians, vice president jewel over at taylor, not on weiss prison before the break. you mentioned the compet 19th, endemic and paradoxically. this is a one area where african may be ferrying better than the rest of the world. despite the shortage of vaccines, because the continents and case fatality ratio is much lower than the global one, i've heard some experience attributing that to the relatively younger median age of

your population. but the pandemic is still spreading, as you said, how big of a challenge is call that 19 on your list of priorities? i think he remains them a one because it is number one across the world. systems are shut down. businesses are slowed or close down. however, when you talk about coven, i always smile because you know, god has been good to us. we really would not be able to handle the pandemic like he has been in other parts of the world. but i think that is due to maybe the sunshine that we have, but also the fact that we grow up getting a lot of diseases. malaria are immune system is our greatest and hunger and em most . and i think that has been our 40 that we have such a strong immune system that even if you get sick, you're not as sick as, as others. and the numbers are really low. but because the rest of the world is shut down, we to have to slow down because we're dependent on the economists of the world. and

that's why i keep saying africa was come of age. we must begin to develop our vaccines. i'm sorry, when i hear leaders talk about the fact that they're angry, that the west isn't given us and what we need, in fact, the west needs more than what we need. so, i mean, in addition to the fact that they're making these vaccines are paying for it, they're making it available to africa, would only as much as they need because they're needed in the millions of, of those numbers. well, we now begin to do our own. so that when we have these crisis, we're able to, to handle our own situations. now, well, you say that you perhaps don't need her as many work scenes as a, as the developed world, but according to their world health organization, only 15 out of 54 african countries have managed to vaccinate at least 10 percent of that population, which is the w and show target and i know that liberia is not among them your vaccination level, a full full vaccination level is 0.6 percent the last time i check what prevented your country from my being higher on the list. and do you in,

do you think that this is a number one priority given how many diseases you have to confront? i mean, it's not just over 19, there's also a chevy aids now. malaria, many others. is it even worthwhile? is it logical? is it responsible for you as a government officials to put coven 19 above all of those challenges? and i think we have to handle it collectively. because like you said, you look at the statistics. we have more people dying for is than we have of it. and so, even though it is a, a world wide condemn make, the fact is, africa has other issues that in most handle. and so, when the vaccines came to liberia, we did get out for his doors of about $90000.00 plus doses that was sent to liberia . the negative media, again from the west made people say no, this is the wrong thing. why we took in these vaccines. unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, i got cove it,

i was sick for 6 months and i was in, i see you for almost 4 months. so i became an example. i say, hey guys, this is real. you know, i've gotten cool of it, so it's not something that doesn't exist, but the majority of our people believe it was just a hoax. and that is why we're our, our vaccine level rate has been very low. now since i've gotten it, i think people have realized that this is something that's possible there. busy are more requests now for vaccines than we have before. so i'm hoping that you know those who, because it is a, is a, is a choice. those would choose to be vaccinated, we'll get vaccinated. but i think we should also look at finding ways to do some other things we need funding for education. we need money for help here. we need money for it. and so we have to look at it in the holistic way now or some of your colleagues and some african politicians compared the situation that they're forming of vaccines by they develop worlds you ever thought. i know that for example, former liberian present ellen johnson certainly use that precise term. do you think

that too strong of reward or i think is to some of a word and i usually don't disagree with madam to leave. because of, for years of experience and exposure, the fact is, africa must come of his own. i mean, the west has a serious problem. the fact is they have on, on, they have numbers that i have not even imaginable. if you think about the kinds of, of, of crisis they're in, if i'm in a crisis in my home, how do i give the last rice that i have to someone else? i'm going to hold it because my, where if you spend so much of your time pontificating about the goodness and the, you know, sharing a share of humanity and spreading values, then perhaps sometimes you need to, you know, so forth. you appreciate your real actually doing what they can. you must realize that self preservation is the 1st law of nature. well, that is the truth. i mean, as much as we would like them to do more, we need to find

a way to begin to have our own vaccines guys now looking into how we can produce vaccines. wanda, is looking into south africa, is looking into it. so i believe on the african continent, if we're able to put our resources together, we're mines our brilliant minds. we could even have vaccines that we could explore . when is africa going to start to support other countries? it can not always just be about us. now you mentioned your own very dramatic experience. i've covered 1935 days in an intensive care unit 10 days from what i've read. just to get your breathing stabilized what was going through your mind for your body through your soul. in those days, i felt as if that was the end of my life. i thought that this was going to be the end for me. fortunately that even to i wasn't able to get treated at home because my situation had gotten so dire. i was able to go to ghana and they have all of what i needed to get better. and it took a while, but at least here,

here i am today. you didn't on the go out in western europe. your went to non, i went to gonna because i felt that they had a system that was much better. the president had been talking about all of the core with things they had put into place. and i was really happy that i went to a cra all of what i needed to get well, was done. so this is a good example of what we can do. if we just put our resources in our time together and begin to build everything would need is, is where we are. now. we talked about the country, we talked about the continent. i can't resist asking a couple of personal questions because your own live stories cried fascinating. you used to be there 1st the lady. then you decided to force your own path and politics winning a senate said and divorcing from my your former has been what has been driving you there because i'm sure as a former 1st lady, you could have had the very comfortable, enjoyable, protected life without all distresses and hustles of the government office. i think

what drives me is the fact that women have to be engaged in the development of our countries. and i grew up in a home of 7 siblings that were female and one son. and so my father was interested in making sure that all of us had similar opportunities for education, or fortunately for us, every sibling in my, in my family, have become the best at where, where they want to be. and so we've grown up knowing that we're part and parcel of the mix and we have to give something back. my parents were health care professionals and my father was killed during the war, serving people providing medical care for people and he was, he was killed. and my mother lived a little bit longer, but then her primary instruction to us was be the best that you can be in helping others. is that always? well, you and so i grew up with that fire of helping of see my parents do it. and i realized

as a female leader, we don't have that many across the african continent that i didn't get a chance to become 1st lady out of hundreds of women, or become elected by the people were born county out of all of the men that were politicians and i wasn't a politician to just sit in where the pretty dresses and paint my nails. i do that . but the fact that matter is i have to work. i have to show by example that again, women can be what they want to be. now i just by being one of the most celebrated women leaders in the world, i know that the, your path hasn't been cloudless and you have been pretty, a public about your office facing some budgeting issues about you encountering not only external, both internal hurdles you sad that you considered wedding and number of times do you think those problems that you're encountered?

are they primarily due to the fact that the your or this fiery individual or are they because of you are a woman and an exceptional woman in your own right. i think because i'm a woman and then i'm fiery is not expected that you would be that at this level. and the position of a vice president is tough. you have to now sit still and wait for someone to give you the instructions and i'm are active is by nature i'm apple kid and so it's been a little bit trouble. some people think she talks too much. she has too much. she has too many opinions on matters just to bribe. and i think one of those the hamper my opportunities, but again, it is learning as we go as a learning curve. i believe i some of those things may have been because of that. some of the men in, in positions of trust in my country feel that i should not be as vocal as i am, but i think this is why i was chosen in the 1st place. and so they to forget the fact that amongst all the women across like bureau, that president,

we could have chosen, he wanted a vocal woman, he wanted someone who was educate anyone is someone who was capable. and so i don't know how they found it represents a significant part of your population the most in. and i don't think it was expected. i will be quiet. i try not to step on too many tools, but sometimes it's difficult because we're, we're still growing. our country will still developing and there's just so many issues. sometimes i just feel too strongly about them to continue to be silent. now i know that your current mandate is vice president expires in 2023. and you and just one step away from the pose that your former husband at once occupied. do you think you will make even with him politically? well, i think my destiny doesn't end as vice president. i think there will be opportunities in the future for me to lead my country. i'm actually looking forward to it at the right time. i believe i would bring a lot to the table madam. so leave started

a process of empowering women of ensuring that we've been had equal opportunities. and i think this is a, is a, is a journey and i can't end where we are. and so if and when i do get an opportunity at the right time to become president, i'm going to be continuing that joining because i think we would do more for the women of liberia with the war for the women of africa. we will actually boiler women over their world. you forgot about all o as here. well, that's a lot order. but i think when any woman who gets a platform like i have got in contin to speak, speak for women across the spectrum of our world as an example that this can be done. thankfully, there are many examples in europe and across the world where women have taking the mental leadership angle angela merkel is, is leaving, and people are wanting was gonna step in such a large shoe. but again, there are many women that have been grown for this time. and i hope that will come a time where we can harness all of our resources, harness all of our innovation,

our passions to just move the world to a new level. women, big a whole new agenda to the table. one of the phrases i've heard you repeat the lot is that tough times don't last only tough people do. and i'd like to add to that that the, when the going gets stuff this going and i think you're a very good example of that. thank you very much for this interview and all the best in me. thank you. i'm here. if you and your endeavors and i was there something before, we're close and you get added to that quote, women don't quit. and i think that is important because it's tough getting here, but when you get on the stage, you have to remember that there is so many people looking at you. so many people, depending on you, so many women wish you well that you can quit. and so i've learned out to over the last few years, that once we get an opportunity where ever we stand in the world, whatever sector we're in, we can with we must continue to do the best that we do so that other women will be encouraged to follow and i was still alive, goes on, it depends on the women. thank you again and thank you for watching hope to see you

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