was very open and thanks for your conversation. another, what do you got? so if we speak about further steps or we need to move forward and for free tracks with being a stabilizing force deployment situation. but i showed you the process of spiritual rush in your hand at reversing. we'll look at the situation to 1997 where to put a situation was a very stable with regard to threats and counter traveling. everyone was happy to roll and the 2nd aspect very difficult. uncovered serious difference since day is native expansion to the east, but from of which you should be up with them halted and not a book. you're just which you're going to by way of the promises. but like you just get to sort of the, with the legal guarantees. a couple track as about the escalation rose up

once before and discussing ways, not some of them do she on to minimize threats more. and you very much realism from possible incident with these are all interconnected bill. so usually in your question, you know, we will have to move them or forwards on all 3 of these tracks. but if we think about de escalation, not from this, i mean just so much of a problem with me a moment where we're at a limit or something. because when you submit it, we've had situations recently where our planes have to change course to avoid collisions with. but what you need to recommend us at crime shows movies. of course, this is very significant and very serious. so we need to consider all 3 of these tracks. booker, the problems we sounds very serious with what

action we should take to come down, going to be a social worker. but if you would, i be of could be help us with the interest was towards our common european security so, so you could put in, you know, what i do security with upon you made a priority in the blue that you're doing and not just some narrow interests when you put in it is quite possible that i wish the stability can be restored. what was the garage of new wine? like in the 90s, a colossal lessons were made to overcome in the sports of the down a spiral of the arms race and cold war, the control room. and when we managed to go over to the control ration of the community, which essentially provides more security via you, let me sounds good. okay. and are you on a w when your stores little ring?

if we had children old, always a huge progress we had, has more than this destroyed sport, which is a source of them. you know what? i was a lot of weapons and we managed to get those resources. that's a use to use them for peaceful development. but he was in your muscle and what plato is trying to do today is to make a deal with issues with a told him that we think part of the task 9. because we would certainly very much like to get to humanity today. when you're lucky, you places entirely different challenges shifting like you, technological landscape reunion your gun or making a little shift to green economy was like, it's just a crystal and migration try to when you go to which it is. what many experts today was when you said that in 5 or 10 years, we're going to get will not be millions of people moving from little africa. i'm

mozilla bruce in the end. and so it is counterproductive to deal with the expansion of nato. it trans counted tombs, the real with security priority, most of the one that came to the all of our countries and approaching was so the reality stand not about living sheet on the cold war stamps, but we need to exclude him on the why leave? sure to get the danger of falling back to the cold war tramp, the less one to find a common ground to solve with long term problems. that's when you brought up with a percent. sure, peaceful developments and say with neighborly relations between countries on the euro, atlantic space instead of leaving the old schemes. the referral. thank you. my name is dominic guys, i'm was r t germany, nato secretary general gen stuart america,

stated today that while he is and he won't and can't guarantee that ukraine won't be joining nato. he is willing to talk about limiting missiles on both sides. does that in any way reduce the russian security concerns? no, of course when we are talking about miss, i also swear to clear our position that was just played by initiative for the president of the russian federation. after united states decided to little from man of 32, ah, establish more toward him on the station. you call this kind of missiles in europe . and we do believe strongly believe that this is in the fall concert, not only of the russian federation, but also europeans. we don't want to to petition the story of the double decision on my to someone to align and to move out of the shooters conflict in europe. but i think that in this case, of course, you is

a source and not to allow this kind of scenario to be repeat that again in the common security situation that i keep telling him with the special genius the us alex, on the record issue. okay. those are the top or suppor, concordia. com has some questions about your country in us. can sing it when it is up at night. a lot of the situation there and my name is up experts a vacation day can of course it talks if that works blowing nature have you talked about today? you should in your per diem of knowledge, a space on a,

on your i see the cia relations with russia and to what can i do? yeah, thank you. on more promotional tissues latch for another deal. well, as we can see, your 2nd question check here knows what should be done that you can get for shall see, showing us he didn't look at us, but he should be changing. did have a question about it. you don't want to fuck on a contract. a contract not to go any dish, towel website that you can contract parts. you rope, lee, you are with custody and you're providing farm auto security on europe without ukraine. are we ready to create new fornia rule? yeah. when you, when you mileage 0, did you got a lot of dealers?

not frankly speaking, sometimes. so for them, i struggle to understand the statements made ballpark places. i read that said it wasn't much of what you want us to blanket said that ukraine should be discussed with the train taken caught. but today we had a discussion of ukraine therapy that lasted an hour and a half to so i'm sure, and the ukraine is the biggest threat to training security. their issue if you will put it to school like compliance with the mens records removal. and as regards your 2nd question, what was it? a question was a said ourselves that we need to use a different track or you have different parts of the european

security equation. you were spot on. you are all significant other than what she's going miracles get there. and they're all into connected. so the minute russian american trap is a priority because when you brush and the us nuclear security power some over market for pneumonia and with that agreement, boot williams plays a large role. keeping progress was, was more progressive. again, the possible a progress along other tracks as well. not. and if we speak about the nato, russia relations, what are the nato russia council is just in them? when you, as a very important was when you play and we don't rule out using them with us with gretchen tool you're not doing so considering the learning important status of that. so conversation with them with as the coordinator of with arms of control

. i'm not activities with based on the resource of the 2nd organization. we need to be support on the structure of european secured with as it was described in our proposals. and if we are able to hear more from us, we'll start with this work and it will become clear how to use the other international organizations and other international formats as well. would you just like to emphasize that was not the 1st time we were doing something like that. you were about to seemingly as a real declaration for someone from thoughts that also elaborated a new russian american. a contact with other allies countries also taking a water fall back to you. none of us. some will stay new news like nothing. oh wait, i'm here at the time it is up us list. even though a,

when i turn rush and security has a direct impact on all i was the countries go to someone from the atlantic to list . but if you could, if you could please let us know what you did. thank you very much. indeed. nick robinson from cnn. nato today has very clearly said no to your very substantive security proposal, say close the door to that line. it appears from what can president putin except as a compromise. is there a compromise today available when you break you? i mean, you go to him, we are just a thought process while you pretty the lucia come in here. we are talking about compromises. i have addressed this issue in my previous comments. but in super, in the word with the support she m m. and the, probably

a new sort of kenwood i've shifted on the program and it is a principal important to move along all 3 dimensions because she moved her morton brothers 30. that is a 2nd citizen. i tend to be 30 even, even with. but those are a proposal, hadn't even thought going. messiah come down and watching him yet by my opening arms control a proposal. can you please share that with us? your opinion on mental health? one? russia will answer there. we are. thank you for a web as we're ready for dialogue, and one of our agreement with nato,

a little more good resumes, which is equivalent to russia. that's a good number to call you when you're printing from your group. we also agreed that when need to have a verification matcher with on your loan with us, when will you and i think the, the balance is in nature's court or borders already confirmed. our willingness to discuss that or a issue, and doesn't you control on how to stream it up to the bullet which it could be potentially introduced or humor. below the whole nato, russia bombs control system was destroyed by a night, toes up the steps. all the key for if you were pin security treaties are

either non existent at this point on not operational diminishes, which are both mostly shows in your brother. fundamental treaties affect you in this field are not there, and we would like to have or what we should, what was wrong with some of us. you preserved truly beautiful, huge, but i'm going to go to pull my business store on system and we had it written down group. we're in the criminal records. can you help us? we're not going to do what it gets to do in sure. you will let these treaties that, to you for their intended to be a foundation here, but in security, but they're not great, but you are there any more? and those who work in this field understand that quote, the more is a very significant loss for european security. so we are ready for hold briefly of marie, establishing a dialogue or bulletin. don't always see me. and we are

a jo are convinced for microsoft word or school will that we need to have a conversation with based on the security forum. this process should be de politicized a bit ago water. but in order to be able to ski start talks, what you need to have a political project mobile produced, you saw you and i can draw another example from his history renewed. she knew she would have been something we had on you. quinton is an issue after she talks on central europe, realty school reduction of forces in weapons and central europe about about 16 years of chalks, ended on nothing with a garage. you spoke with a few motto, still shut with when we agreed to help us with that when, when need to move away from a cold or security scale and to build a new security architecture is the go instruments on the field

a little bit became useful if you just came up with a new instrument with an entirely different geographical coverage with us or with a pool, the coverage. you notice of that? i sure you were elaborated and agreed will renew in a couple of years. and will you still think we managed? so we'll see, agree on the reduction of heavy military equipment to get you to a significant degree, a starting talks. and you can look at your plan today without a concrete vision of how and why we will be building a new security architecture. trauma goes, which is a road to go nowhere with, we need to have a clear idea of the direction we're going to need to

abide by the principles of transparency. arms control those inspections in your district restrictions and all that. but we need to understand that there's a real, a tool, strengthening security. thank you, mark carlson, associated press. do you believe there's a need for a diplomatic talks to continue like today or yes, of course. well, diplomacy is about booking without talking to do not possible to issue for results . we are due to to continue what that should be meaningful discussions. it should not be a position of so called slower so principles. we have to have a share, shared common goal. our common goal, these sound, you should use your systems in europe based on the new principles and meeting all

but he is supposed to the elevated by our producers, including the basic principle of indivisibility of security. didn't seem to then get people get along with the bushes to the hotel is what with ashley and kemesha. it was a decision on continue talk. this for my thank god for future meetings, postpone it is here with for signal that we will catch up next mid. thank you nichols, but your order to societal switch of credit. as i already mentioned, we had a very frank conversation with you, mr. stalking back, it was a difficult conversation with considering the when it was for bizarre process to sort of move tensions in the field of european security laws are new. i think it is

an important step. where do we put our vision down to pay pattern? but we see this as a step in the right direction on euclid. and today we called on our toes to renew their vision to paper as well. so that we all understand where we are moving with. after that, we can discuss the more specific tools we can use to discuss some of the new corporations and what steps we can make next to them to solve specific issues. and what formats we can use

the only need with tissue interested. okay. what's a good teach to the store? were them gotten national here of school? yes, i knew it here in the front. you have a thank you. and at the escalations, including such technical proposals as establishing a minimum distances between a military shipped some background. we're going to go to and the, even though i'm ambassador, i account to discuss the specifics of a 2 or 300 meters for not a, not within my mandate. so that's, of course discussing this on the official level would be used for experts need to talk with him about that. so we have a very realistic count locally here and do, we're very pragmatic. if we have a chance to move in the right direction,

why not use list assumptions something we discussed today. and more of the fact that we don't have a foundation for such decisions. is that another issue or groups and it's due to the fundamental differences in our approaches to some of the principal issues for security, then you will need to close the left with a person with questions from we know that the russian federation values mean honest dialogue with it's important to you personally value honest dialogue from your years here as an investor to nato. and i wonder if you could tell us how you expected that honest dialogue to happen if the russian doesn't acknowledge with president from young man, whether it's military personnel or issuing passports on the russian

a speech with a. well, there is no russian presence and then you can look around because there is a need to present senior grade. and again, as i said, it should not be about this kind of things and discussions. because the way ahead towards the feasible solution of internal ukrainian crisis is a full implementation of music are getting both in terms of the political tech and both in terms of security. and this is only the only formula that will allow us to, to put aside this in turn over original conflict to

create a necessary context for the ration more important, more, more pressing can security issues. the 2nd question was about this, well, i don't want to go to the well on that because i do understand that each and every country has the right to protect and support to protect security and the risk. and if you look at the modification of the strategy of ukraine, where russia, in fact, is called as an enemy, and the whole military machine should be, should be focused on the discounting production threat. of course we have to take a measure, so big questions and we will lose, especially in the light the situation for many years,

for many years. so there was no, i told russian military presence in the id is adjacent to your brain. and i wanna ask you a question, for example, how many polar soldiers and internal security officers officers are being deployed to this place on the polish and russian border to contain the sort of coming from 2000 magazines who are wishing to reach out to germany. i think well that denise of this number is approaching 25000 and nobody cares about it. by the way. we're are good and when you need to, when you, when you thank you so much and sorry for the attention of the senior. wow. about media briefing that went on for over an hour. now over the

russian delegation led by the deputy for mist alexander group go speaking there. those need. so russia talks that were held in brussels today, the russian delegation is pointed out how nato is trying to kill all the positive gender and coming round between russia and nathan, in some strong woods, said today because it's alexander christian, put it, it doesn't fits in the toes new policy of returning to old confrontation. he also said nato should give up its open door policy. the main points of disagreement. now that policy is very different aims rather than building the european security. russia reiterated. it's red line names that nato shouldn't grow further east, closer to russia's border, and that moscow demands some legally binding guarantees that ukraine won't join nato. as for de escalation of ukraine, russia says ukraine has to stick to the minsk agreements. nato countries should stop sending military instructors and military equipment to ukraine,

as it was stipulated by arrangements either. griddisca said he regretted that nato wants to present russia, is a party to conflict and deter russia and present the country as evil as he put it. he also said he regretted that the situation changed when europe turned into a battle ground for political conflicts, but he said no benefits from that. but it created danger. instability, discussions were direct and sincere, suddenly wrong, but expose fundamental differences in views. well, let's go over to charlotte to ben sky. how do we sum up today? yeah. okay. all the parties a talking, but gosh, it's not very positive. is it? are they further apart tonight than they were? now, it doesn't seem very, it doesn't seem particularly positive. kevin, and that was a very extensive briefing here from the russian deputy defense minister in the

russian embassy of the discussions that took place here in brussels. and also of course, touching on the discussions that took place in geneva just 2 days ago. we got the line that the us and its allies were attempting to achieve dominance in all areas, whether that be land sea in cyber space, at the issues between russia and nato. and ah, not allowing them to have a uniting agenda on things are perhaps incredibly important, such as a fight against terrorism, the issues in afghanistan, and also trafficking and the food, the deterioration we were told that would result in unpredictable and serious consequences. as there was an expectation that nato might give feedback to what russia has already outlined as being its demands, it's red lines on the number of areas and,

and if nato deems those to be unacceptable rusher expects an answer as to why they would be deemed annex sense and acceptable, and he also said that everyone needs to understand how serious this situation is right now. in regards to security, talks being deep and substances, but really uncovered that there were bain fundamental divisions between the 2. sally's own a number of issues and one of the thing that was pointed out in the press conference. this was that nato understands security or the principle being while the selective i. e. e. e, e. e, and the stand security for its own allied nations. but not necessarily for everyone else, including the russians at so lots to get through a hopefully we can digest as some of what we've heard now with our guest. it's gilbert doctor of he's an expert in international relations. thank you very much

for joining us. given all that we've heard today in all of the various press conferences, do you remain optimistic that there is a way forward now? yes, i am optimistic, there is no need for anyone to put furthest stores of food and star bombshells has the likelihood of armed conflict is i wouldn't say negligible was extremely low. what we have seen in the last 2 in the last meetings, 1st in geneva than today, and nato is that the parties are conducting themselves in a very civilized way in a very sophisticated way. and the russians are being hurt. now the reason that they're being heard against the background of a crisis over ukraine, a crisis that israel and the question of why russian troops were mass with the borders. that is the question that is real the problem. perhaps we can discuss a bit now, but the, the, the conflict with

a crisis appearing over ukraine has been used by both parties, both by the united states, nato on one side and by the russians as convenient cover to hold talks, which otherwise would be politically unacceptable for the west, russia, russia's concerns over its security and securing it's the architecture of europe in a way that is, ah, that brings in all parties and not just the nato allies. we heard from later today that it's all about defense, the alliance. it's not a threat to russia, it's not aggressive. you mentioned there about the situation in ukraine at there is a lot being discussed about this at rushing trump as being amassed on the border. but we don't have very much, at least in the western media from.