the me, the nate has been trying to wine the clock but to cold war times that from a russian press briefing after high stakes talks in brussels earlier today. nato understands the principle of the indivisibility of security selected by if nato applies a policy of containment against russia, moscow will have to take a calendar. while nato rejects russia's red line of not letting you, craig join the military alliance, same the plot expansion spread freedom and democracy. also, the cub britton's prime minister, apologizes for tending a long drink spot in the garden. that number 10 and 2020 was the 1st time it admitted his presence, but said that says he thought it was a work event. the

or the life much international will be sent here. it will go, will come to our world news 11 with me, kevin. so 1st, russia, nato have been enrolled in frank, in debt, heated talks in brussels today, they've been held in an effort to try to reduce tensions on the continent. it's the 1st time the nato, russia council convicted more than 2 years, shall japan? he's been following what happened, difficult talks in geneva and brussels, and they are not over yet with the food round in vienna on thursday this time with your organization for security and cooperation in europe. what we heard from brussels is that both nato and russia are clear, the remaining deep divisions between them and further deterioration will be unpredictable and have serious consequences. now one of the big issues, if not the biggest is ukraine and whether or not they could become a member of nato. russia says this can never ever happen. it is

a red line due to the impact that would have on russian security. so what will happen if talks with ukraine and ga, continue from nato. nato understands the principle at the end of visibility of security selectively. in the eyes of nato, it exists only for members of the alliance, and nato won't take into account the security concerns of others. we firmly believe that the principle at the end of visibility of security should take into account the interests of all, and that attempts to build security against russia without russia's participation are due to failure. if nato applies a policy of containment against russia, moscow will have to take a counter with you through russia, also called the nato to stop sending training instructors and military equipment to ukraine as part of bits demands for d escalation. just to give you an idea of the u. s, which is a native member, has applied more than $2500000000.00 with security assistance to ukraine since 2014 . and this year, native force is

a duty take part in many military drills in ukraine for russia. this is a serious issue. and the continued expansion of nato doesn't. it says, solve any issues for sure in you, not than your nato expansion doesn't solve any problems of security. it moves division lines that doesn't remove that, or we accept policies of the countries that have decided not to engage in the alliance. and they know that we support policies of non alignment, and this is in both our interest to be pursued further. today we once again discussed in detail nato's eastward expansion. nato says it's open door policy of allowing countries to decide if they want to be members will not be closed. eyes on their side, reaffirmed naples open door policy and the right for each nation to choose its own security arrangements. so these are the other princess, her maiden lodgement is aggressive. absolutely not true. and nathan launch month

has been a cornerstone for the spread of democracy and freedom across europe. threats of sanctions were also being reiterated by nato and the u. s. if in russia invade ukraine, something continues to deny that it is about to do. and while discussions were underway, here in europe, a detailed plan of those possible sanctions was being unveiled by democrats in the u. s. senate all available and appropriate measures would be considered to insure the nord stream to pipeline from russia to germany didn't become operational. it said, while companies that russia has that offer secure messaging services would be targeted . both a said to be measures to target severe costs or rush us economy. some said it was a wind to get russia and native together the negotiating table. but it seems both sides leave these talks having made no further significant strides towards unity.

charlotte, even ski r t in brussels, so severely resigned the pen, jayla se there, luke em, well, no one was ever saying that they'd be any huge outcomes today, were they? it could take weeks, it could take months, it could take years. maybe that is the pinnacle or the pressure who knows disappoint with after these talks today or not, was it just her as it was, be what you're saying? not really disappointed. i mean a press conference of salt and berg. the secretary general of nato was very short for 5 minutes, didn't just a few questions. you sent one interesting things that he had. one interesting thing that he had already mentioned before. no ukraine is only a partner of the alliance now. and it is not covered by article 5 of the treaty, which is the dangerous soul. any member is defended in case of or by all the others, and be crazy for nato to get ukraine on board. it's a failed state. it is

a family follow common dangerous democracy in the making as the american say. and it could turn into real war if effort and they to joins. if ever ukraine joins natal, not because russia would do anything but simply because to hold heads in key f would do something stupid. so this is dangerous to be. all right. and what other critics that would say on the western side of all night, aside that well, you know, your friends of sovereign country do what it likes, it can join whatever lines it likes. yes, it could. but the alliance should be responsible and not take any body and within the alliance, believe me, several companies and not the small ones, don't want ukraine in. of course there is an image that needs to be projected of unanimity, but it is not the case. and people realized in europe that it is very dangerous to have our ukraine n, if, if only because of some of the whole hats in the west of the country that hey

russia and i would do anything to start a war. our c talk is going on to our advantage and stay was chatted to daniela's. our last are about this. and he said it's interested in his point of view, the powerhouse of europe, germany, not really public about this, where it's been very quiet, kept his cards close to his chest. should it be negotiating a bit more here to try and solve this impasse over the ukraine problem? well, it's very strange in a way because america and russia army go staging in geneva. that's the important negotiation. and the europeans are not anywhere except in nato. and he always see a part of the negotiation at the table round the table. so you know, they, they are a lack of unity mix it like that. but the worst is probably for germany that has a pipeline for gas, not stream to which is brady, which is full, which is ready to start in was supposed to start early in february. any want

because of the best friends of germany, mr. blinking america say, oh, we might decide that there is no delivery of gas by russia via north stream to just because us americans, we love you germany. i mean this is very strange, gentle europe needs russian gas and don't want to bass. it was very good. lucas sang, spell the program of a dependent journalist. i see it's not a britain's prime minister. boris johnson has not a good day said miss who they did attend the downing street party in the back garden, albeit for 20 minutes. the height of the 1st restrict, national coven, locked out in the u. k. 2020. you apologized to britain. so at the time and not even allowed to go into one another's homes while arguing. so that was a work event. i appreciate the, the point that he's making about the event that i attended. i want to, i want to repeat that. i thought it was a,

a work event. if politicians form perhaps both sides of the aisle or concern they'd like to see, not just an apology from bars, johnson but resignation as well. because this seems to be a common theme. now of course, because our minds back to roughly the spring of 2022 years ago now we had the whole country. in fact, most of the world locked down almost completely and we've seen in the u. k. again and again. revelations of politicians, particularly conservative politicians, those close downing street having christmas party, for example, while people couldn't see that dying relatives, or in this case a garden party in may of 2020. when many people were, for example, not seen, relative things stuck away from loved ones who are suffering and other restrictions on their lives. now, the image that the country has is that those are the top, the elite don't seem to think rules apply to them. and for many politicians,

the only way to regain public trust is if the man responsible for all of this, the prime minister parish johnson finally resigns. his defense, his defense, that he didn't realize he was at a party ha ha is so ridiculous that is actually offensive to the press with the whole country was locked down. he was posting boozy party in town. express, easy, now going to to, to decent thing. and resign missus, peter, it's up to the right honorable gentleman to choose how he conducts himself in this evening. now what we've also see in our repeated examples of boris johnson previously pleading his innocence and saying that actually as nothing had taken place, that was against the many rules. that once again,

the rest of the country through a number of messaging techniques and the some psychologists have put it, and other medical professionals must formation consistently putting out messaging to the public to stick to the rules the government, apparently seeing at the time anyway, many figures within the government that they themselves didn't have to stick to the rules, but in any case, we've seen nothing but denials up until this point they viewed was a party. thank you. it was against the rules. they knew they couldn't admit it, and they thought it was funny. the prime minister has been called right handy. why does the envy investigation right now, but just admitting it i been repeatedly assured, oh good isn't the 1st time or the 1st revelation. of course, a big political fall out from the revelations of political parties taking place a christmas party taking place at downing street last christmas. and that led to the resignation of allegra struts. and she was a spokeswoman who was caught on camera pretty much laughing about the situation she

handed in her resignation. perhaps a political sacrifice subarus, johnson could keep his job. but as more and more of these revelations come out, there are few or fewer people who be willing to throw themselves on their swords. and eventually the question will be will prime minister himself finally step down? earlier we spoke to norma baker, a former home office minutes to believe that jones's lost all credibility to color. we're meeting, it's a pathetic. i mean, it's not a we're meeting, it was clearly a social event. so you know, he just, he just hanging on for grim life and hoping something will turn up, but his time is over and he's 30 days to go. now he's got a sense of decency about him. the public out there are furious. this, this cuts through every understand what's happened here. this is not at all. i've came westminster, if you this is something which affects all the people, all the people who have been prevented from saying the loved ones from di

preventive, go to funerals, not able to get married, not able to see relatives in care, homes, me while the prime minister is having a party with other people in the, in the back of down the street. people on this on this issue very well. i'm the are furious. it's a grudging apology and he's only apologize because he'd been caught red handed up. so now he's been saying everything is hunky dory was following all the roles bought into worry about the prime minister lost all credibility. he's lost right to be prime minister. he used to resign. he took a many damaged reputations as country are, the men's damage to his own party. and i think it will party will take action in due course. while barth also city they have there's a bit of advice for british house. so struggling to warn their homes this winter has not gone down well and they get energy firms told customers to cut all their pet and do star jumps to stay warm. those are expected to double this year. will incomes will face a big squeeze. shudder edwards dusty next that has more on the advice those called

customers. when he fired up are you weighing up anything all heating is sales are projected to sort of 2000 pounds a year. will know more as one of britain's biggest energy supply as has come up with no one idea, but 10 ways to save on heating cost, not to any layer up get the hot might go with install john. and if that doesn't work, how about a kid isn't cutter with a cat? okay, i don't have a cat, but i do have this guy. another simple suggestion is to leave the often door open after cooking the capital of your kids, and eat a hearty bone of porridge. and of course, make sure you have a decent pair of sucks or slippers. apparently, all these are simple cost effective ways to keep warm this winter, but the company can't be serious, can it? i think they've completely lost the floss on that one. i have to say,

don't close with. we're not stupid. i are we, we are literally trying not that i eating on really freezing in our own house because we're trying to get the cost down. you just think my, what else was i today? if that's real advice than the i'd be slightly in salary by are either awfully by now. why would do in the event that i need to stop? suddenly my energy done, i put an extra jumper on the seminar. so you album want to be and so if i vote for any other company that doesn't say i wouldn't listen. so i would say got fixed on contract. that would certainly the advice and to customers comes as many households are extremely worried about rising energy costs. and despite the company apologizing for the l. judge, suggestions, politicians have criticize the cold, haunted approach. it is laughable and insulting. but then with this government's lack of an energy strategy, you almost expected those comments will be right by people who have to choose

between eating and heating it's. that's the state of the country we are now, and i find it quite depressing. being told to put on a jump or instead of turning on your heating, if you can't afford it, at a time of such difficulty for so many families is plainly offensive. 2022 has already been given the title year of the squeeze of a one since a 2008 financial crash. this year weight is will barely grow while at the same time bills will chunk by 50 percent around 2000 pounds. when britain's new energy price cap is set in april, this means in real time people will actually get a pay cut. and the situation is being described as a cost of living catastrophe. i think the health information we had 2 years that you could possibly have a business with little support from the government. so they've been forced to close our doors. we're only that, we're trying to close our way back. so we're in

a pulp hotel and everything else. we use quite a lot of electricity and it has to fi and i am terrified of the impact this is going to have a cross businesses in the country, not just me own. i mean, small businesses struggling as an if they've just had to stop, we pay the bounce back lately, the government and supposedly gave us, but we've got to pay them back to all of a sudden and i'm not going to do that. it's time to money and we were in debt anyway from the lock that i now they energy cost of solar and both electricity and gas. louis, sorry. and i don't know how we supposed to pay them because we have no income. and she's not alone. in fact, one in 3 people, a worry that bills will become totally unaffordable this year and a back in the government of the bill. labor also piling on the pressure for the government to ditch tax hikes and scrap via t on fuel altogether. conservative ministers council,

the 0 carbon homes program. they bummed on shore wind development. they launched the eco installation program. they tore it up within one year. they reduced the u. k is gosh, storage capacity. i don't want particularly silly moment. the current forensic, reclaim solar panels, were risks to domestic reproduction or all of these decisions that have made this country more dependent on volatile wholesale energy prices than otherwise would have been right now we know this means as extremely situate, extremely difficult situation to push household. we also risk making large ways the british industry and competitive a talk, a combination of spiking prices, tax hikes looming energy, big bills, and the government's apparent reluctance to address these issues. may actually see ridiculous ideas like cuddling pets help people overcome this on the upcoming winters become a reality. shows. edwards dashti r t london. often you came to in the questar broadcast range of views. the baby

sees now even planned to give it on to small conspiracy theories. good idea. not the bung topics like the flatter theory could soon be on the waves of for the sake of representing everyone that's according to the bbc director of editorial policy and standards. flat earthers are not going to get as much space as people who believe that the earth is round. but very occasionally, it might be appropriate to interview a flat earth or, and if a lot of people believed in a flat earth, then we would need to address it more than we do at the present time. limit has been slammed on line including by those usually support the broadcast like toby moses is the head of the news that is that the guardian newspaper, the express fears over airing. clear nonsense is he put a dangerous idea where there's thought you about with the clark, jennison pro cassandra walker, personal commentator and new york observer column. you know, so rebecca butler as well legal advisor for the florida state university. guys are gonna put my hands up here. first of all, this next employee will myself cumulatively,

over the 10 years of my career. and the last 5 before here at bbc world service editorially control was way above my station, but it was always professional. my ear piece is just put top pop talking over. it's always professional. but it's far from perfect. sorry guys. i'm just going to find my wife because pop the really awkward we go far from perfect. just like me tonight . there's a curious says sensation of never quite knowing you were part of the broadcast, the but it's a public service broadcaster and it's got to represent all views of britain. is that going to lead it into trouble or not? let me talk to you 1st of all and re walker. i'm connected by kissing. you'll be placed on my hands. i can hear, you know, there's no c v like lives to, let's just say that us her start. okay, let, let me just lay this out. i think that the b, b, c dos a lot of things fantastically well. you've got to remember it's such a large organization that it's almost like multiple. busy organizations, so it's

a good, some bits about here is what is terrible at. it's terrible representing views of people across the country because a lot of its employees in the news department from a fairly similar background. okay. now they are talking about what to do about the fact that if he wants to be be, say, you wouldn't believe a majority of people supported leaving the european union as an example. busy and so the now trying to deal with that and bring in plurality, i don't think they'll ever achieve that. i think what the bid you see should do a strict stay strictly down the line, not both with news debates, but what we should then do in the united kingdom is take these ridiculous rules off on political neutrality. every single television channel in the united kingdom is required to be politically neutral. it is an absolute nightmare for broadcast as it damages the industry. incredibly, what would be a better thing to do is for individual broadcasters to admit the bias and then to

hold those debates themselves, the bdc actually will never solve this problem. but the united kingdom as a whole, i think come yet rebecca, let me bring you in your, in the legal side of this kind of thing. i'm an off come we all we have to abide by off comes well to broadcast, to european, and it's with the best intents and purposes in the world. but of course, it's a multimedia world these days. others more than linear tv you can go get in is from any source which is not off come regulated is all this kind of stuff is linear tv thing. these news channels regulated by of com is it kind of at his day i just like to point out that i am the legal council to the free speech. you know, i'm terribly sorry. i'll learn how to work with one of the journalists upstairs, who sort of their sites going well in tonight. is there anyone? right? tell us what you think? i know? yeah. yes. i mean, this is really an interesting point. we through the of come up broadcasting

something that really us a shout sounds at me and i think your other contributors agree with that. the spot which root cause is attached is this very broad, generally accepted status of a person of color match use. so what is the generally accepted status? well, that would be one different thing to every single person you spoke to. for example, you have brett's. it was brought up well, generally accepted standards of, of what breaks it should be or whether we should stay in the or leave. the e. u is a highly nebulous concept, but that is the standard of which they judged as all aspects of freedom of expression though context is the most important thing. and if all was more intent on saying to broadcasters, please put your output into cut. then i think this whole sort of nanny state that

is in rotate around what we are and are not allowed to listen or watch as it by the generally accepted standards. whatever they, we don't need all of the speculations with you. i mean, you know. ringback you might, it looks like a duck and quacks like a dock. it to dark. what side of the political spectrum is chandra football? well, it's kind of left to say what b, b. c? well, it's meant to be central, but the fact is that the b b, c is pretty to sing news stories that suits their editorial. and so they are manufacturing stories to put a return to put a spoke to purchase, to the wider media. and you know, they moved away from ripple, now you're jealous cast or whatever. yeah. yeah. okay. and how can i have them come to leo andre to him?

sentence. i think both of us are. i don't disagree with anything that was said. bo, remember channel for being sent to left via the united kingdom is illegal. it's crazy. neil. yeah, what was the quote mean? i think basically that the b b. c would talk about off call. rebecca was talk about off comment comments been very negative force in the media landscape in britain, and we know that off. com works very selectively. you could have thousands of thousands of complaints about one program, a one channel refuse to open an investigation. you get one or 2 complaints about another channel, another program, and then we know all about this and yeah, exactly. so i'll call them, i think it's, it's, that's been a negative force in pretty forecasting. i mean, when it comes to the b, b, c, like you can. i mean, i have never worked directly for the bbc, but i have a p, i many, many years 20 years now. occasional guest on b, b. c. programs. they do have a wide range of views on the b, b, c on

a number of topics, but on other topics. the premise to the very narrow things like war. remember the iraq war in the lead up to war we, we saw sort of anti war voices vanishing from, from the airwaves. it was all pro voices. and the last 2 years on the kobe narrative voices who opposed. busy locked downs and things like mouth mandates of also struggle to get a hearing. so i think there is, there is this problem that on certain contentious issues, there is a kind of policy really of not having the widest possible use that i think they should be. i think the bbc should be reflecting all views. that's what it should be doing is a national, full cost, but it doesn't always do that. i mean, off covers, there is a regular or does a good thing. let me just say, well, that, yeah, carol, so i can, i just, i something into that. you have to remember, of course, that we are dealing with a broadcasting current that goes back to 2017. and the landscape has changed so

dramatically since. and because we have services, we have people setting up the citizen journal is on capital and such as facebook live. and you too. and i think now that we're in the review of the next charter, this and out a is part of that, because in my opinion, it is only my opinion, but i would be interested to see what your other panelists, i think about off come before we go any, i mean that they're trying to be more relevant because their competition is in the digital social media space. as you know, all news outlets are struggling and so is p d c. so they have to reduce the charter. that is going to see itself from 2027 and beyond. if it's going to survive under its license, the funding model. just a quick thing about of come across to will say yes,

it's got to evolve. but of course, off comes over the very best intents and purposes, and it seems a pretty good despite where you say the neil, a pretty good, a bastion of keeping things in line and keeping things in check whether you agree with it or not. it is there as a safety part of the question is should it be moving with the times? well, there we are. that's for off come to answer, isn't it or no, no, actually it's not. it's not, it's, it's for the government and parliament to answer in terms of the regulations. a regulator can only implement the regulations in place. and so, you know, the b, b, c has moved out to solve it, to try and be a more broad representation of the country. it's doing a lot better on regional broadcasting. but in terms of the private sector, you know, the, the broadcasting rules are clearly absolutely ludicrous that clearly being ignored by law broadcast has to be said, see, not being bullied them, but they are ignored by law broadcasters. and the reason that being ignored is cuz i don't work i sent to left organization like channel for is never gonna get

viewers. if it is politically balance hasta, do this dance of dishonesty. now if you look at what palm, it's saying at the moment they're talking about not reforming the regulations that extending them to companies like mine, the operate you tube channels, you know they, they want to make it worse. how the day think they get are difficult. now go say the directory life to carry on. so i think he's proud optical, isn't it? that the b, b, c will mean i grew up watching a, b, b, c. in the 70, the, and the eighty's. there was a wide range of opinion on the big issues on the political, the big political issues of war and peace and all these issues back then. then there has been in recent years, you only have to look sort of quest b c, questing time. the flagship come into best buy them. see this kind of guess we're on that show. back in the eighty's. you had people that would be called park left today or for right. even today, all on the panel. and today it's become extremely blair, i think i think we will talk about the b,

b. c being left when i don't think that's true. i think it will actually have the sort of, blair right view and everything, whether it's about the, whether it's about whatever and that's the problem and the time grace it early. a lot of the people, the big power is making the decisions of who to get on the shows all come from the quite now background. and they will have quite very similar political political views. right beside the old, a crime goes in public life. they've been stopped full of land, right. you know, bless porters. nobody likes them and nobody, nobody forces them to resign to, you know, they're sitting in positions of supreme power. and you're right, you know, include it, they are all of the, you know, the play out re, she goes that they are not what we could make progress for about a full are we going to go to an outbreak? i'm afraid neil clock and re book a rebecca butler, i'm sorry, sorry we got your title wrong. it won't happen again. i can promise you.