ross or the, the made america morgan sacrificed for the shimmer of effective interrogation. ah, the west, when to far less be frank in violation of all international obligations and common sense they chose to escalate this situation. brush reform. and if that doesn't hold back during an annual press conference with only one this topic dominating thought of nato expansion was started a lopper off once again, outlining rushes red line with the c. i a has report living training, elite, ukrainian special operation teams on us soil pool, amid mounting tens with our tenants superstar novak joker veterans. visa is revoked once again by australia, meaning he could face a 3 year entry by old thomas oscar. he admits to breaking certain cove. it isolation room

with broadcasting live in a 100 countries worldwide. it's our to international inter friday evening. we go here at moscow. so the west went too far. those were the strong words of the russian foreign minister when talking about international security issues at his annual press conference. he also slammed the u. s. and its allies for so called hypocrisy when it comes to the issue of human rights violations up as a rule. so the west, when to far less be frank in violation of all international obligations and common sense they chose to escalate this situation. well, you see the west condemns violent actions against civilians. they condemn human rights violations. but when bloody cause a carried out by those who swear their allegiance to the west, the west embraces them. this is what happened with the ukrainian qu. many people died there, including at the hands of provocateurs and his crew was approved by the united

states and the europeans just accepted that as fact. and no one is going to investigate the my down atrocities as a cause has stood outside. this is for a community here where the press conference or with bushes. foreign minister said a lateral rats up a few hours ago and it did go on for quite a few hours because level of, as you heard, they're pulling no punches over the worse than the the us in a situate, attend situation around ukraine at the moment. another press, it came at an important time, of course, as regards the situation in ukraine as talks with nato and talk to the u. s. in geneva, and in brussels. earlier this week, let's you pretty much a debt and the us not bending on most of those demands to provide security guarantees over that situation. it would ukraine. of course, the question on everyone's lips has been whether there will be a so called a invasion in ukraine, or why russia, of course,

the worst accusing russia and strengthening his forces on the border and ukraine as nato expands eastward. russia says it has every right to defend its borders. now that question was raised at the very start of the press conference and we can get circ a lab rose, answer to it right here. american nato seem to have made it very clear that they're not going to, it's a give you the security guarantee. if you don't get the guarantees, you've said that you, ne, that there will be a military response. what does a military response actually mean? could you, could you lay that out? are you ready to use military force to ensure that ukraine never joined native mccarthy? now only western colleagues gas using tea leaves. they immediately grabbed the sanctions bass on. we are for everything being decided on the basis of mutual respect and a balance of interests. the position of russia presented by nato is based precisely on the balance of interest and is aimed at the security of europe as

a whole. including russia. anita wants to create military footholds around the russian federation to dominate europe. so weird. now lover of also said that even if ukraine isn't drags in sinay, so as it were, any appearance of nato forces on his borders will be seen as a will constitute a red line. of course, red lines was a buzz words for the geopolitical situation. in the past few months. he said that is not accessible. russia will not accept that. neither will it accept us building military bases or placing a strike missiles anywhere in a sea of as of that also constitutes a red line. he outlines those red lines in the press conference and we can hear just how they constitute a red line for russia in this graph. here we are good to go. dish q. you put a human, we categorically do not accept the appearance of nato on our borders. it's

a red line, they know it. even if you crane remains outside nato, there is still a possibility of ukraine in agreements with the u. s. the u. k. and other western countries that are building military facilities and bases on the see of as of there, this is also an acceptable to us. this is enough, a red line. now the folks over the past week have also still as a marker of the tensions between us and for a show. of course, the u. s. are not bending on any of russia's demands. it seems. and i also was lucky enough to ask a sick. i love rob about the words of the u. s. secretary of state, anthony lincoln, who said that all president putin has done in the past 2 years or so, is there to facilitate what he wanted to present or prevents or rather, and those are kind of strong words from the u. s. i is oliver said that really isn't the case or he was surprised at those words by blinking guessing latasha

anthony b. u. s. secretary of state blinking argues that what president putin has done over the past couple of years has only speeded up everything that and would like to prevent on which faces does blink and make such comments. do you think we don't put them? putin has been devoting all the last year's to strengthen russian sovereignty, which is constantly under attack by the west. those are attacks on all fronts, direct military to terrans, information attack, soft power mechanism, and others is a shame that someone thinks that russia is in the pocket of the west. much of what is being said, today's connected with escalating tensions around the russian federation. so you see the big lab ravone press conference today, pulling absolutely no punches, as because the western nato is pulled out, the hypocrisy of nate, so supporting to stand up for human rights. however, then supporting the crews and polar revolutions as it were. as regards what happened in ukraine, and just instead of calling get a q pulling in said

a diplomatic process. but he also said it's for the west. now it's the us. he has written to washington as regards those guarantees of safety and security. and it took to them now the pool is very much in the u. s. school to find a peaceful resolution to it all. meanwhile, the us ambassador to the organization for security and cooperation in europe has said the drumbeat of war is sounding loud, and the rhetoric has gotten rather shrill. it an outline, the need to prepare for a possible escalation of a statement. somewhat echoed comments from the polish foreign minister, a warn, but the risk of war within the o. s. c. e. 's region, without its highest in 30 years. security the security of bulk of which russia was also a member of began a meeting on thursday. or though no major decisions were made so far, a russia is accused the block of being too busy listening to itself rather than that of moscow's concerns with so okay, left off saying the west has simply gone too far. well,

let's try and get some perspective on this right now and join our 3 guests. 3 political and international affairs commentators, moto gas ej pull ingram and chris by maria. very well. welcome to all 3 of you here for joining us on the friday evening program in moscow. i wanted to ask you 1st a west is talking up a russian invasion of ukraine, while russia blames the west for war mongering, hysteria so. so ultimately, who is to blame for the spiraling tensions? the moment? a good, let's go to, let's go to chris banbury. over to you for this, please. i think the key issue here is the expansion of nato. and the breaking of the promise made to mikhail gorbachev. that the former satellite u. s. s of not be not allowed to join. the not promise has been broken and we've seen nato expansion. and i think you don't have to be a supporter of what about pearson to understand russian fields of what would happen if you cream was alive to join nato? you know, the memories of the $41.00 are still role in russia and now for there are real

fears in russia that they are being in so called the national the nato is the north atlantic treaty organization. it is now substantially away from just being concerned with nato, and i say the stuff like human rights. i mean, look at united states, look at the u. k. in terms of the key key players in nature, what are they doing in yemen? for instance, helping the side of these questions vicious war which is going on there. where is the concern about human rights and saudi arabia? so i'd say all of this with a strong pinch of salt. you're taking it with a strong pincers. a pinch of salt, chris. but let's, let's go over to monica gas. if you look like you're itching to make a comment on this monica, carry on. well, i'd take it with a big glass of brandy or something stronger because we're in a bit of a dangerous situation here. certainly. busy as far as russia is concerned, the u. s. is intention, washington's intention to put in some so called defensive missiles, which can be converted,

converted into offensive ones within about an hour is an existential threat to it. so the rush itself, so for russia is essential threat for the u. s. it may be a tactic it maybe let's, let's put the russians into this invidious position where they can avoid doing something unpleasant back to want us all. and we'll use that something back in order to look for western europe into this u. s. u. k. security architecture. lock russia out and shoot. and lock you in to the embrace of washington in which shows you that seems to be a win win idea. as far as washington is concerned, i put in a said a number of times sort of jump in. mark over put in a said a number of times that the whole containment policy of russia continues to date pulling grim if i, if i can bring you in for a 2nd. a u. k. top lloyd's saying 800000 russian troops supposed to invade. also noting that the ground is too muddy for putin's tanks and yet all the while moscow refutes all these claims. how do you clear the fog pole?

well, it's a very good question and it actually is the question, because whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation but damaged europeans curacy, not any. the risk of war which itself is huge, but also the capability of the states to cooperate, to tackle the existential risks. that faced the world. how can people seriously negotiating blast around climate change when they're about to go to war against each other? this is, this is, this is serious and was, i don't disagree with anything. now, in, in the program we have to see beyond the right, you can try to understand how we can be across the, the cosmos. and of course, the way you do that is not 3 minutes your life against each other. the way you operate, organizations might be but up until now and pay the reasonably positive ro,

enjoying together past adverse was why, but i wanted to throw this back to chris for a 2nd because one of moscow's red lines is not having nato weapons on its borders. which is something that marco, which is referring to russia, refers to, excuse me for use this as a real threat to security. if we just look back for a moment to the cuban missile crisis in effect, it's much the same, but in reverse. so why doesn't the us and nato understand moscow's concerns, chris? you join an interesting comparison. the monroe doctrine is something which the united states has enforced in south america. but i think you've got to understand is that the situation in the world today is the economic way united states is slipping. we've seen the rise of china. the united states still remains the military hagaman. and it's keen, as we've seen in the last 20 years, the years that military might so enforces a position in the world in regards to china in particular, and indeed,

due to russia. and i think with this new cold war, what we're seeing, change of boundary. i'm not surprised that given the nature of the government of poland, given actually some nation on the spot was going on with you in china. these governments are very keen to go and america and need to, to continue to put nato troops and the defense systems. the with it into the baltic states, into the societies there. we should also remember something else. georgia did launch a war with russia, you know, and it was backed up by america. and britain essentially didn't know what to intervene. and we have seen in recent weeks, in the black sea, american british, french warships involve the naval movers and going to ukraine and to georgia. that would seem to me quite provocative in the current situations of american british american ships entering as well. russia, russia waters, that is a major problem, a prop, talking about provocations. i chris, i mean, let's put it back to marco here, marco, who is provoking,

who do you think in the situation? well, if you think about the iraq war and excuse iraq war being the seller was saying that missiles potentially 45 minutes from london. we have here in ukraine, the plans of the missile, 5 minutes from moscow, 7 minutes from rushes, strategic nuclear defenses. in fx, russia will have a knife to its throat and not enough time to recover if it allows these in russia. we'll have to stop those missiles coming in. this is cuban missile crisis, who could end differently from that one. if we don't look at this very carefully, the other them and all this is the idea that ukraine, if they wanted to part of nate, so actually became involved made so because that was in effect give ukraine the ability to launch an international war on its own interest and the curriculum positions are completely irresponsible on this question. so that would be another magical move in this strategy coming from

a jo biden's administration marker. let's throw it back to pull one more time. yeah, yeah. point i wanted to ask you though, you know, the 2 sides, they almost have to learn to trust each other again pull or do you think too much damage has already been done? i know it's never too late and, and trust but trust takes time. it's not something that you can snap your fingers that i think we've just lost the connection with pulled. i do apologize. we've lost the connection, but with, with paul ingram death standing by its reassuring this our panel discussion here on essentially what is going on with nato up inside on, on the western border, essentially of russia that is, out of the eastern border of ukraine. let's bring it back to marco, one more time marco, the 2 sides have at least been talking a little bit this week. that's gotta be something optimistic. do you think george roy, the war war as both sides of the outcome is the key thing? the problem is that there are in many ways the u. s. publicly the box itself is

a bit of a corner in terms of its public pronouncements. and it's difficult to see how it can row back from those, except by making behind closed doors, promises of the crime that the russians already rejected that on the council, the fact they've never been fulfilled either. chris referred to at the beginning of this, this program. so essentially it is a very difficult situation, but of course talk is better than, than the alternative and we hope it will lead to something. i think the key point here is missile me files and, and nature memberships over. obviously, nature has itself got a rule about not allowing countries without standing shirts or disputes to actually come into nature. that may be a useful. busy thing to remember at this point, but slowly the missile issue is absolutely deadly for world security requires some of the things that paul is probably going to tell us if he comes back about in order to de escalate and bring it back to pull one more time there, marco, thanks for that yet. installed and bug is saying, ukraine will still be supported to become that of

a nato member. that's another key russian red line poll. but what do you think's going to happen with that? oh, i don't. i really don't think there's any chance ukraine joining nights or anytime soon everybody in the us. 3 and russia may recognize it would be crossing a very significant red line. i think teaching actions are the last few weeks we'll have on the line, but so i think if there's anything positive that has come out of this crisis, it is the the, the west will recognize that it can't get away. scott free by bring ukraine in tonight. it would be awfully for the interviews. let's bring about the christmas time because i wanted to ask you when you look at, for example, the u. k. media over the past number of weeks, it's been really, really just banging those or john's a lot of it's been very tabloid though. talking about putin tangs can't get through them, but because it's too wet, talking about a 100000 russian soldiers poise to invade. i mean, it's almost like the media,

it's back in the war. drum is louder than the politicians themselves. chris? well, that was really surprising, much of the british, british and media and, you know, we got stories flying around. i mean, for instance, yesterday there was a m, i 5 was seen as it's chinese lawyer and i was apartment operating up of beijing. i mean, what the veracity, that is, i don't know, but there are so many americans. there is the american administration security policies in the british parliament, widely mentioned this. so we're seeing a lot of propaganda, both about russia and in china. and we should not forget that in this new cold war, there is also the chinese fears of in so comments with the alliance america made with taiwan, japan, et cetera, in the, in the naval maneuvers. we've seen us in there. so i come back to my point. this is about america imposing itself, not just in terms of rush approach imposing itself in europe because with this plan to stick with the germans under angel, michael, the germans were not really prepared to follow america's war drums. they weren't

prepared to escalate the military spending. washington required. there's no use ministration in germany, the key force in the european union. and i think this is also about bringing the germans into the line. they know they can, why the french and british and push comes to shove awards, but i think they want to try and bring the germans into the much near that all of it. so there's another element agenda going on there, but i will turn to my point nissan. so comment was always going to weeks to tensions once you have natal courses in the baltic states. once you update, of course, it's important to check back elsewhere. deposit in georgia in the black sea. once you have that revised russian feels. and as i say, you don't find out why i didn't understand what those fears are given russian recent history given and in the 2nd world war. so i think talk talk is breslin won't, won't. so i hope we can actually return and can see it and go see table deescalate

the situation. because as you say, some of the coverage in britain is actually a for you. what happens is if they want us to go to war, the idea seeking on russia is all of course, he's only brittany wants to quote, you know, the nice, but they saying it, but they be saying it for years now, chris, i mean, you know, you go back to 2014 my dan western li, decide to call. it was a political process that was a clear case of regime change out of langley virginia. and he was blatant to almost anybody, but the western media was always different. a different side to medical. sorry, sorry, chris, go on. i'm going to say it's clear that there is a process of regime change across the world. wherever there is governments, we don't fit with the neo liberal order. the law, which is control the same story by united states, the gas, et cetera, etc, etc. we will always bring down any government or trying to bring any government which doesn't correspond to those interests. so i just want to say, but we're getting a somewhat cynical look from paul the moment paul,

you want to jump in here and say something. i just wanted say, say, but i don't disagree with what chris is saying. but i also think, but we need to have full about just sliding into just cause a confrontational approach towards these sorts of interests and, and, and developments. because because they, because they are incredibly powerful. and the big question, the all of us, whether we are commentators in the west or the russian government or anybody else is how do you, how do you deal with a bully? and the way of dealing with a bully is not just to face up to them and, and then get smashed in. you, you have to deal with very cleverly and you have to try and build relationships, some positive connections. and the way in which peter has managed to do that in the past with anglo merkel and some other european governments to some limited success has been incredibly valuable and important. well,

i think that's the approach that needs to be. so i think i'll make a really good point. i think it's a very good point, but, but it's a point that marco is itching to pounce on over to you, marco, i to point to pull me by the bullying the scenario. but one thing that is vitally important for the future of the planet is that russia is included in a new security architecture. you can't use security. it's waiving an old one with russia labeled as the enemy with the ukraine massey. hobbies is close to the russian border as it can without any commentary from the west, the media and nature. politicians refer to russia as the enemies. you cannot have the ability of the russia, of course, to seize itself as the victim aware of this is hating. it has to be included in security architecture. otherwise there's no security by anybody. i couldn't agree more, but just to clarify, the bully, i meant the united states. i'm the president trump and of course, because fighting ring from a need but domestically is so limited because of the way in which us politic

dysfunctional. the bullying continues him to visit ministration. full thanks for that. just one more time over to chris, i'm running out of time h l. someone has been lovely having you, but one more question here in a very, very quick question to you, chris. if i may, a new report, one of our top stories today, a report unconfirmed at this point, but ukrainian special operations soldiers and instructors reported getting training by u. s. commandos on us soil. how does that affect the current situation? you've got 30 seconds, chris. i'm surprised that we should look at the ukranian government does not want to talk about moscow law talker, russia, and civil rights, etc. if you look at the time ukraine, a very right wing nationalist government, so it's not just simply the good ukrainian versus the bad russians. this is rather more complicated on the west to get some decent coverage, but what is going on in ukraine? i correspond very paul ingram, marco gas, it's our internal international affairs comment. that is joining us live on this friday program. a great pleasure having you, but let's thank you will very much. thank you. ok. well, as we were just saying,

the cia is reported to have been training, ukrainian, special operations teams and tensions with russia. the whole program, believe it or not, as the piracy. it started 6 years ago. and just a bit earlier in the program, donald quarter gave us insight into what's being called now a disturbing set of revelations. according to a recent yahoo news article, basically the cia is training ukrainian special forces units on american soil. and this is to fight in case of an apparent russian invasion of ukraine. again, we said many times in this channel. moscow has said many times this is basically just nonsense. but nevertheless, ukrainian troops are apparently getting some state of the art training from the, you know, us government. the program has involve very specific training on skills that would enhance the ukrainians ability to push back against the russians. said the former senior intelligence official, us base ca program has included training and firearms camouflage techniques,

land navigation tactics like cover and move intelligence and other areas. yahoo news of course was not specific about the actual names, but it says that 5 former intelligence and national security officials pass this information along to them. apparently these training programs involve camouflage exercises, land navigation exercises and the like. but all the while washington, the saying that these are not offensively oriented exercises, us officials claim that they're just centered around intelligence gathering us officials deny that the ca, training program is or was ever offensively oriented. but just what intelligence support entails in the paramilitary context can be ambiguous and how this training will be applied by the ukrainians may change rapidly with facts on the ground. now what is exactly intelligence gathering mean? i mean, well, in the context of power, military operations, we don't really know because we don't know what these ukranian special forces are going to be doing with the training they've received on american soil in the future . we at least know that the u. s. military advisors were training ukrainians,

ukrainian forces, specifically after the events of euro. my don in 2014, but that was all. busy on ukrainian soil, we also, we for marcia executive said that going back decades, the ca has provided limited training to ukrainian intelligence units to try and shore up you know, and i suppose it independent kiev and prevent russian subversion as i saw it. but that cooperation specifically was ramped up after the crimea became a part of russia. now we did reach out to the cia and the defense, the defense department of the united states for comments. so of course we'll bring our viewers any response we get. the australia has agreed to delay the deportation of tennis, super thought, novak brokovich, it comes off to the countries immigration minister revoked his visa for a 2nd time. to day i exercised my power to cancel the visa held by mister

novak joke of h on health and good order grounds on the basis that it was in the public interest to do so. i'll salia has again revoked the visa off tennis, saved the star novak a joke of age at this time on the health and good order grounds. now, his lawyers are all ready lodging a pail, isn't it? a late night co tearing australia have agreed not to deport him just yet. if they do go ahead and to port him. of course he will face a 3 year ban on re entering the country. needless to say, it time is of the essence now is to 3 days until the australian open starts. therefore brokovich his site have said they want the full herring to take place on sunday morning so that the result will be heard by monday morning in time. if we're good, the joke of h to stop competing in this tournament said there is a glimmer of hope that, that it's really been nonstop drama, since jokers, which landed on australian soil on the 6th of january. his visa was revoked upon arrival it few days later it was than reinstated. but since then,

questions have been raised about how he flouted isolation while he was coated positive and also inaccuracies on his travel form. he's put all of these things down to human error. my agent sincerely apologizes for the administrative mistake and taking the incorrect box about my previous travel before coming to australia. this was a human error and certainly not deliberate. the house saw guys divided opinion across the world for his fangs. of course, it's a different story. this, that just so angry at the unprecedented nature of australia's decision and also so upset that they see the apparent encroachment of politics into sports. we actually spoke to a few people, some of novak jock of, it's his fellow serbs on the streets of bow grade to get their opinion of all. i am revolted and angry because i did not expect they would treat the world's best tennis player like this. but he did not deserve this or was additional enrollment with nobody's going through is the frustration of our entire nation disorder. if

they had said from the beginning that only vaccinated people can participate, it would be all right, look. but at one point they tell him one thing, another time, something else, just to pony. this is pure politics. the issue here are the principles we live for . at least us europeans, freedom, fraternity equality are you. i think it's fair to say we might also see anger spill out onto the streets of melbourne once again, just like it did after his visa was revoked for the 1st time. hey. so what's next for? know that joke of h y, which is going to have to wait and see, but this just couldn't have come at a worse time for him. this is australian open represents the pinnacle of his career . if he came out on top that this australian open, it would mark his 10th consecutive when making him the greatest

a male tennis star of old time. so needless to say, a lot of stake here. in the meantime, we've actually managed to speak with a father of the tennis ace who's out. he's basically slammed the treatment of his son by the australian authorities. he told us exclusively the attempts to cancel his sons visa was politically motivated. seems to be a bit of a consensus about that, but you can read more about that right now at r t dot com off of the hour here on the russian capital. the next program goes into friday evening. a 7 pm of you can join us. ah, now we have e cigarettes, i was just heard that it was a healthy alternative to cigarettes and do we trust tobacco companies with their message that these new products are actually going to reduce our d sugars or breaking the tobacco, opened it over to yours.