time camera, i mean that doesn't pass muster at full coverage of his denial that he was working or interesting. it was a just like brain melting. it is a ranch to see. so let's see. and several other outlets a plan on the road. he wasn't, wasn't there for you. and he faced perjury charges a feed law telling the truth. but that's like saying, you're someone accused you please, and call it in a case like this involving multiple people in which the f, b, i has determined to find some degree of pre plan coordination for the break. then it would be, you know, potentially lease loyal, but quite clearly that's not being applied. obvious question is why that is all c s t o peacekeepers are expected to leave kind of like stand before january 19th to taking part in a short allied mission to help stabilize the country. because of course,

40 said requested help. the deadly invest sweat, the nation triggered by protest or the high to fuel prices. the mission is now complete. as president says, it's time to go home was immune system. it is obvious that people who've been protesting for a gas price reduction, and those who've been fighting with the armed forces for several days with weapons in their hands surrounding them in places of deployment, are completely different people. they have different goals. the fact that with the help of the c s t o, it was possible to restore the situation is very important to. this is the 1st such operation of the c s t o. it will allow kazakhstan to solve it socio economic issues and com dialogue with the people in general, we need to go home. we've completed our task now until the 19th. when those final troops will leave carfax down, the state of emergency and carfax town will remain in place. understandably, the country is still in a state of shock. it's been through so much in such

a short amount of time. just 2 weeks. is that there for the time frame? so now the peacekeepers are planning that to leave the country. it's also become very apparent at the evolution of this c s t o, which previously was considered to be a mouthpiece. now it's shown it can be very effective, a can be very helpful. a president sockeye of the kind of like stand a leader. he expressed his gratitude to the framework. i would like to express my gratitude to the mission commanders for the job they did over these days. the c s t, a peacekeeping mission in kazakhstan, including an hour my t was very important in terms of stabilizing. the situation in our country is undoubtedly had a major moral impact on pushing back the aggression of terrorists and bandits. now needed to say it's been absolutely extraordinary start to the year for context on a relatively peaceful country. that within the space of a week went from normal daily life to absolute chaos. across the entire country,

we saw mass riots. we saw government buildings ransacked, and set on fire. the entire country was in a state of emergency. exact number of fatalities is still being calculated, though it said that over a 1000 people have been injured over and a 100 have been killed and more than a 1000 police officers injured and 16 killed all efforts within those 1st few days by president the tire to come the street because weren't working, he needed to call on the c s frame work to help secure these vital infrastructure in the country when it comes to the old members of the c s t o. basically getting involved for the, from the request off to kind of the contact leader in essentially functioning like nato, where 11 member of the family calls for help from the other members of the family. this is the c s t o, but when it became clear that russia was going to step in and a help because it's on the senior diplomatic america secretary blank. and he said, you got to look out where the russians wants to get into your house. but you can't get them out. how's that looking as it has russia now secured a foothold according to the west and catholics don't lose such an intense lights.

as soon as it was revealed that russia was part of this frame, the work that would be entering this foreign country, no alarm bells were ringing around the. well, that with these sensationalize headlines, same things such as putin sees, is on crises. it was unfortunate that russia going it's complex done with these other countries. people hardly mentioned in these, you know, news pieces was looked upon that way, not just by the mainstream media, but also by washington. one less than a recent history is that once russians are in your house, sometimes very difficult to get them to leave. and of course, the cha comments like that. always invite some kind of response. and russia did respond deli today and fox, the deputy for a minute to say gay rab called that, that the us, his reaction with self revealing, he said it confirmed russia's worst assumptions about washington's intentions in eurasia. so, you know, politics aside, it is going to be very interesting. we're going to be closely watching what happens in times like sound off to the troops leave on the 19th. and that's just hope that

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that i suggest you would them of gesture, welcome to our tea today. our guest is tennis, loves us secretary general of the collective security treaty organization, misses us. hello, and thank you so much for talking to us today. of course, today, we'll mainly focus on kazakhstan and the c s. t of peacekeeping mission there. as we know, the peacekeeping force is now withdrawing from the country. does not mean the situation has been full established stability toward the cancer. there was not able to proceed with her. you know, i actually spent the last 2 days in cassock stone. i visited the capital and l massey, where the operational command is located and where the peace keeping force was mainly deployed. yes, the situation has been stabilized over the last few days. there's been a major shift. we can now say that the government and the law enforcement have the situation across the country under control. we can now safely use the word stabilization. unfortunately, it's too early to say that things have gone back to normal versus the state of emergency and certain restrictions are still in place. though there are 5 regions

where they've been lifted was it's a gradual process. but at this point, we of course cannot say that things have gone back to normal. it's a process of the process of doing this. lamar 0, even though it's slow, i'm here at the needs and what are your thoughts on the role of the c s t o. in recent events in kaiser sun, how efficient was the see a stair was assistance to kazakhstan for monsieur, this formular form. the most, it's her teresa, both ashley bettina, i believe it was quite an efficient mission. our pace keep is accomplished. the objectives of this operation. as i said, just recently, at the ceremony, marking the withdrawal of the peacekeeping force, these goals were simple to assist our brotherly cassock, nation in his shoring public safety and stability hold. the peacekeepers succeeded in doing just that. most importantly, the mission has been praised by the people and the president of cassock star little because the summer he presented this from a federal facility. show me of sir. mister is us. all of us have followed the

developments in different cities across kazakhstan, especially now multi. we've seen looters and mr. took, i've said that there was some kind of organized militant groups that were attacking and clashed with the cause. ac military did they see a steel forest face? anything of the thought knew what number designated near the rope announcement was compressor. now, at these sites that peacekeepers regarding there was no direct military engagement with the militants or terrorists. over the course of the peacekeeping operation, i would point out the li peacekeepers had a sobering effect on every one. they mainly realised that this is a serious business. so that deployment had that effect. there was definitely a shift, so probably it made some hot heads cool. down and they realized they had no chance of success doing, bundled up lashania exit and then was with her. could you tell us about the sentiment of the locals when a foreign peacekeeping forces come into their rescue? did they thank you. i mean, the troops that took part in the operation. that's what usually happens,

at least with russian peacekeepers. we saw ordinary people showing their gratitude in one way or another. then the new monster moved. but if a live promotion was, well, the response was good. the people seem to understand why our peacekeeping force was deployed in the country. i suppose they realised that the peacekeepers were there to help them in these tough times and so the locals treated them accordingly. there were no clashes or disagreements of train, the locals and the peacekeepers, over the course of the entire operation. there was no pushback. the local people showed understanding and support. i've talked to the mayor, val, massey, the almighty region, and the local authorities were very grateful for our help with that, mr. of mr. was say, a former news door with his was conflict, kazakhstan in bottles. when we would send you an excuse to please which experts have different opinions and would spark this crisis and how the situation will evolve. what do you believe that the conflict is well and truly over, or is there a possibility that cassock stand will once again faced this kind of, for lack of a better word, disaster and

a potential collapse of the government of both morally by delegates roughness the evidence told what it's ah, i wouldn't say there is a threat of some kind of retaliation or new outbreak. i don't think so. i'm almost entirely convinced it's not possible why. first of all the situation is under control. secondly, a major investigation is underway to get the full picture and determine all the actors involved. measures will be taken in accordance with cassock stands laws. and of course, every one, not only the cassock, people, but also the leadership learned their lessons. so i don't believe there will be another outbreak like this. so any retaliation goes driscoll nor liber put them when she quoted her was that your poster was vala fiasco. so use a postal after the collapse of the uses far and these stablish ment of many sovereign states all at once. after the c, i s. the commonwealth of independent states was established. many of the former soviet republics had to deal with internal strife. the had always been there, but for various reasons, re ignited. there was

a lot of violence and many refugees who lost their homes and their futures. many of these countries are still part of frozen territorial conflict with what do you think of the reasons the caea as is plagued by these tragedies that are not fulfilled with hunger will not allow the gym or didn't others who would work? sure. well, we probably need another interview to elaborate on this topic. in short, we were all part of one huge country that collapsed. and these are probably the aftershocks, the collapse of a country like the u. s. s, i was bound to have consequences. so if i tried to answer this very difficult question in just a few words, i would say that what happened back in the ninety's was one of those reasons, but, but the circumstances are different in each country. so as are the underlying reasons the conflicts, i don't think there is one size fits all explanation. going back to the gratitude by the cassock, people in the last few days i had local people thanking our peacekeepers and every one who was involved in this operation. yesterday, for example, i was having breakfast at the hotel and the guy he's an employee,

came up to me and asked if i was stanislaus. disaster said yes, he asked to take a picture with me and i agreed. he said, i saw you with the peacekeepers. thank you very much. he shook my hand. it's nice. of course. this is what ordinary people think like them, replica nurse at the of the shouldn't crystal not over o as you're already another, keep on with get by. is it those with literate and look at her? you should talk to the taxi drivers in moscow. you'll hear a lot of nice things from them to. i would know. i take texas all the time. as far as i understand, the peacekeeping operation in kazakhstan was the 1st of its kind for the c s t o. i'm sure all kinds of experts are now busy taking stalk and map and asked strategies for the future. we have all heard president vladimir putin, helen defense minutes to show you that every one did a good job. as the c s t o secretary general, would you say you have learned any lessons from the crisis in kazakhstan, placebo? still there is that little conflict of california boost. lemme, of course is definitely an important lesson for all of us. and later when everything is calm down, when the withdrawal is over,

we will review it and draw conclusions. take our legal framework or training for our peace keeping force him we need to refine that. like he said, is our 1st real operation of this kind of task. now is to review it and adjust our operations if need be. that's perfectly natural that, but i don't see any need for major overhaul. the c s t r 's framework and the tools we have proved to be quite effective. so i don't think we need to introduce any fundamental changes, but we'll make some adjustments. of course, no, just as una williams to get a futile wooden pins. earth spoke a morbid g, but your security a little bit more stability minute even though some adjustments are probably in order since it was just one operation in one country. i'm sure the framework to ensure security in this region will change. now. some adjustments need to be made to prevent similar crisis from happening in the future. are you considering it is oh able though? most of dorothy i would break it down into 2 parts. yeah. in terms of the way we do things, i'll say it again. no,

i don't see the need for any serious rethink we've achieved. the goal we said organization's mission is to collectively ensure the security sovereignty and territorial integrity of our member states. and we successfully done that, so we don't need to overhaul the entire framework reforms and needed when the system doesn't work any more. we're saying that our framework is effective that will introduce some adjustments. of course, i don't want to jump the gun right now. let the people who've been on the ground and involved in it from the very beginning to the ex post assessment. we talked about that's at our meeting with the peacekeeping forces command. it is clear, we also need to carefully study what happened after the withdrawal is over. this is also true for the people who were there on the ground from day one will involve everyone in this process. and afterwards we'll decide on the adjustments we need to make

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team to work with. no, i wish i knew the level you're special. i was the yeah my. but i said, we're not going to get what the plan was to get up to him was in your mind shifting this i'm dealing with his teacher was reason just released a. 6 whole digital through school, like i said, is the crisis unfolded him because it's done and it was

a tragedy really. there were many different inter cretaceous of what was happening . well, people had mixed opinions about, present, talk i of decision to invite c, c o. peacekeepers. some even went as far as comparing the c. s. d o and nato. i don't know if you appreciated still, we have heard the u. s. expresses dissatisfaction over present, took eyes invitation of the peacekeeping force in kaiser fan. they weren't at all happy when this operation was launched. all the western media eco, the u. s. sentiment that this was an act of aggression by rush. i guessed catholics done, if not an outright military occupation. very few people saw the involvement of the c. c. o space, keep in forest for what it was a genuine attempt to help. now that the operation is almost over and the peacekeeping divisions are leaving the country, do we have something to respond to the yes. and to all those who are bad mouth, the peacekeepers claimed that russia was occupying kessick, santa and painted moscow was an aggressor, a good, beautiful arisia august. so let me correct you on one thing. there were no peace

keeping divisions in kazakhstan. the entire force deployed there is less than a single division in strength. you'd think that alone would dispel any one's concerns about aggression or military occupation. it would take a greater force than that, wouldn't. it? of course is all nonsense. as for the peacekeepers mission, there was one goal to assist kazakhstan, and that goal was completed successfully overseas. there's never been any aggressive intent in the actions of the peacekeepers. they were there to protect strategic facilities and essential infrastructure. in other words, they guarded and ensure the continuous functioning of say, the water supply system and central heating in now, massey as well as electricity communications. you name it, is that a bad thing with this was a crisis. and all that infrastructure could be damaged. have the city been left without heat or water or electricity? it could all have taken a much darker turn and that is what we did was a good thing. it was literally a mission to keep the pace at some paperless night about in the blocks. if you genuinely want the best for cassock storm,

you should welcome any and all assistance everything our peacekeepers have done in kazakhstan over the last few days, has clearly had a positive effect on kazakhstan, mozilla. the situation is stable, order has been restored and people are safe. those are all very positive things. i think that soon, all his finger pointing and allegations will fizzle down to probable. like we say in russia, every one judges, others by their own standards. perhaps i believe that many of the commies we've heard were politically motivated, reasonable people with a more balanced view of the situation. new from the start, there wouldn't be any aggression the peacekeepers going complete their mission and leave, given the type of relationship russia has with cast on aggression is the last thing that can happen in the summer trying to spin it the other way. but is us excellent, thus this office, either she yesterday moore's law, prostate missus us. if you don't mind, i would like to explain something in more detail for our audience or to me so obvious. of course, if i've been following the developments 247,

the peacekeepers were invited to take some of the burden off guys extends own forces. so they could focus on saving the people right now. could you give us the specifics of what our peacekeeping forces were assigned to do in cassock? started chim, even the blue design of the russian middle portion, gisler at her my bottom was built of, well, like i said, they protected essential city infrastructure. god, a strategic facilities and government buildings. that was the mission. in doing so, we gave some breathing room to cassock, stones, own law enforcement, and military which are weak by any account, and let them focus on the problem at hand. the law inforcement had their job to do and the military had theirs. that was the plan of helping the local forces for was part of the mission that operators warner at a distance was him at woodson, the other the worst. and also this helps boost the morale of cause expanse own military says they know that their loved ones back home are safe, that everything is fine or worth of a club. next,

obama goodness there. certainly when the 1st plains landed in kazakhstan, it had a positive effect. on the people who were there to contain the crisis, they could see that help was coming on. this is a good way to boost morale visible to do with the lead. yes, it certainly is important, good morale is already half the battle. what's in this? those were a challenging few days when president talk i have spoke to the nation, he was able to address the complexity of the situation and recognized the threats that the country was facing schoolers, the summer, sidney earth and celebrities, north ed yamaha, 13 mac of mrs. us, let's switch gears. i'd like to talk about something less stressful if i'm not mistaken. the organization celebrates 2 anniversaries this year. one is the 30th anniversary of the collective security treaty, and the other is the 20th anniversary of the collective security treaty organization. the 20th anniversary of the c s t o. for the 1st time a peacekeeping contingent from all the member states was deployed. if you could share with us your feelings about these 2 milestones,

what has been achieved so far and what the future holds for us. new members, perhaps i would really like to hear what you feel about these to very significant dates. vision there the will to belinda than us. that is, yes, we have anniversaries this year 30 years since the collective security treaty was signed in 20 years since the organisation was founded on the one hand that's a considerable period of time. but on the other hand, of course, it's but a blink of an eye. now, the last all of the member states of achieve so much progress over these years. and that's worth noting, we've come a long way from the initial idea of establishing a legal framework coming up with forces and resources, as well as a framework to use these forces to provide collective training for the personnel and troops. so what we have now is a well functioning organization and the recent events have proven that the c s t o isn't effective mechanism that can ensure the security of its members states under

any circumstances. but i think that's the sentiment we have as we are approaching these anniversaries. whoops, of course. it's also a good opportunity to take a little break from the current affairs and take a look at the big picture, an outline of vision for the future that the machine and we've established a process for this as well. we're now taking stock of what's been done and looking at promising few to avenue, said joe, and at the summits at the end of the year, we will present this vision for the consideration of our heads of state. we want to evolve the situation developing in the c s t o 's area of responsibility dictates the need to strengthen our organization. and what sort of banana shows us like more . it is also safe to say that the c t o is currently the dominant force in its area of responsibility. the missile with the tuck? yes, we definitely are. and there is one more thing. other objective is to develop relations with other agencies, international organizations that deal with security matters. i think that this is

something we will do as well. yeah, the most of the top of them. but a plumber for much of a fellow, just as the human is cooperation with other alliances with other agencies, productive overall or is the c s t o still treated with apprehension and caution, or has the c a still had to prove its importance for the region for the people in the region 1st to be taken with all the seriousness of the organization deserves were much less if the face of yours was to glory, the fools were to look over. like, you know, we have different relationships with international organizations. with some we enjoy a win win cooperation. for example, we coordinate our counter terrorism efforts with the shanghai cooperation organization that we have good relations with the i c. e that we've established good to professional relations with united nations. mainly on matters concerning peacekeeping and the fight against terrorism had also good groundwork has been laid there. as for other organizations, let me put it this way, but there's either very little cooperation or none whatsoever. but that is just how

things are, or there's no need to fuss over it. we believe though, it's certainly not helping to improve collective security here in eurasia where we live. so it would be beneficial for all of us if we were to build normal relations . 3rd and then one last question, the last on a loaner because of it. so i guess it's important to lead by example to make more sovereign countries want to join an organization that brings peace everywhere or is the time to try to get up a book. i am with nathan brown. no, you're right. it is important to be appealing to all of the states agencies and international organizations. and i think we're doing a good job in this regard because there are many countries we cooperate and have normal and friendly relations with. and they take part in the events held by the c s t o and they do so gladly and regulate rewards. so we have been doing all that and i think we will see more vis. we, we seen by others an example of an effective arrangement. when is literally the opened in one of the finest love actually which thank you. i that was dennis love,

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