and i always appreciate it, i mean, i was going to my same verse of max, you know, in lieu of my introduction here, i'd like to read some of the words from the national security advisor, jake sullivan. he said, russia is laying the groundwork to have the option of fabricating a pretext for an invasion, including to sabotage activities and information operations by using like using ukraine and preparing an imminent attack against freshman forces and eastern your brain. how do you reply that? because in my introduction, i also mentioned weapons of mass destruction, 2003 go ahead met. right? well, as we're remember, president putin promised to quote unquote, military technical response should the need. so we know fail to address the proposals unsecured guarantees that the ration delegation put forward in geneva. and i think there's a lot of focus on the military component in that phrase, in the western media. but because there is a lot of uncertainty of what exactly this military technical response may be. there, all kinds of things in this discourse, you know, one day they, they,

they're, they're talking a lot about the quote unquote divisions, ukraine before that as well. remember a couple days before there was a lot of hype over russia deployments in latin america. so i think that's, it suggests that the, the us side is not entirely clear of the russian intentions. and there all kinds of ways to pump up the domestic discourse of the russia threats and to show that the administration is actually aware of what actually is going on. and what exactly the russians are letting victoria newland was talking the other day about the quote unquote 800 scenarios that the us intelligence play that's, that's like 800 scenarios is even hard to memorize. so i think that's, that's quite telling us the kind of moods in the, in the see at this moment. but that sad, i should say, the situation very serious. and then indeed, precarious,

and hope we don't end up in the cuban missile crisis 2.0. and that is exactly the analogy i've been using for weeks right now on this program. you know, gamma 18th and heresy. i mean it, what was the last week of, of the 3 meetings? us, russia, rushing the nato, russia with the always be. and, you know, and now they're looking at 18 different scenarios. i mean, why don't waste the time that was. and it sounds like a level of paranoia, in my opinion, because the russian side is that, you know, if there is no, no real meaningful negotiations, no mutual understanding, then there's going to be a military technical component to this. we already told you this to happen. i mean, why did anybody the surprise go ahead? well, i think that the boys were still useful because let me remind you what the 1st time since 2014, we weren't talking series. no,

there wasn't real serious stuff. i'm sorry. i have to disagree with you. i mean, what did they come out from it? ok me. this is the strategy. when we have more meetings. well, we've been having meetings for 30 years and then we'll continue. it's doubled in 5 years and we should continue talking. i'm sorry, my friend, but convince me i'm wrong. well, unfortunately, the west did not accept the rational proposals. even though that doesn't mean your mom then minimum for credit, that sick your situation in europe. i mean, not only american, we have seen the grain american, we styles important as the borders government. this is welcome in american nuclear weapons and pull down and stuff where, where quite willing to have, you know, it's still bad. we are not members of nato 987 when the found in that relationship in russia and a navy or sign. we didn't sign it so we will welcome to american nuclear weapons.

so basically the rest of the proposals, this is not a dream, it's, it's the minimum. ok, americans are not accepting the nature is not accepting it, but at least there may be some of those building measures. there may be some progress on short and intermediate break, new styles and, and the response. but i agree that basically the american side, everything do what these negotiations. let me remind you. on the eve of negotiations, mister bloomington made and i rush and ran to, you know, you progress saw his speech, you brush over them. this is the way you ruined negotiations. your basically effects the person that you are talking to. this is why give them that's where you're appeal fuse and the uniforms on national costumes. you know, to create the distance between the person you can do and the subject. you know,

we're not talking who has human rights. we're talking about security. okay. by the way, mister world, you know, that kind of european diplomacy insisted that participate, but want to talk about human rights and you can talk about it for the next 200 years. you know, this is exactly what i was afraid of. but talking about what the marks maxon arrays you know, very examine it. you know, there are certain overnight states about russians, military technical response. well, it's nature old because let me remind you of the ration needed to budget is 14 times smaller than it's for smaller than that combined needed to budget that all the european allies of this is the data from stop only for peace research. so if you have a force which is 18 times smaller than the other one, what can you count on unpredicted t m b, g u d,

and this is the only way you know, this is basically the reason why we have increased presidential policy in russia. in the last 20 years, for the same reason why rules both of late the next do mom did the right for the president, for immediate decisions, you know, without waiting for the congress is confirmed security. so this is today's war or decided to mean it's the big data and that security match because it is about security. but the way the western media and blinked and speech was just on becoming of a secretary of state. i mean, i get it just on believable, but i mean, the way it's, it's constantly being framed and victoria a new one and old hand it ukraine for the wrong reasons. i would like to point out, is there the, there are different narratives, the nato and the head of nato. the united states wants to constantly focus on ukraine, a member that is a country that's not even a member of nato here. and russia, with its proposal to nato entity,

united states were sent out in december. this is about pan european security. the americans just don't simply want to talk about that. but all they want to talk about is ukraine. a country that is not a member of nato. go ahead. well, you know, the, if you things i'd like to mention in this regard, one, if i were to use a sports analogy in the talks in geneva, i would say that the talks produced, you know, like a and football or soccer is because in the u. s. you, you to try to, to, to produce some free zones into which you can pass and from which you can score. so i think the talks rebuild that there are some free zones that the, the, the western side, the americans are tried to create. but these are not the results from which a can score from which you can actually produce results in that sense. you know, the proposal was let's discuss, you know, the things such as the number of forces. you know, they, the number of mill exercises, all of this is important. but at this point,

as you pointed out, we've been talking about that for 30 years. and it's not exactly the thing that the russian side once the concrete proposal on the russian side was the during the madrid summit, which is to take place in june 2020 to the nato. if it was serious about security with russia, was supposed to roll out the statement that would denounce the book or a statement of 2008, saying that quote unquote, georgia in ukraine will one day become members of nato at the time. indeed, it was because a kind of like a consensus or a compromise rather between the george w bush administration that wanted to print and georgia in nature and france and germany that didn't one that you for those countries in nato. but it created so much ambiguity in terms of what the western congress could do in ukraine, in georgia, in terms of, you know, threatening russia security that moscow when ballistic, i'm not sure if that's the right metaphor to use in this sense. but which could be,

will be, right, that's, that's, that's one thing. and right now, the russians are demanding concrete, you know, commitments, if not legal commitments that you know, that would really dispel this 1st, this uncertainty that's, that's one thing. the other thing is obviously the, the u. s. does not see russia as a pure power except for strategic stability and now perhaps cyber domains. and that is exactly the, the, the point that moscow was trying to convey that you can, we can have any meaningful progress on these areas. because these are areas important to you, but also to us. but we need to, you know, make sure that you address our security guarantees the way we try to address your security guarantee. so in that sense, in all these discussions over rational potential military deployments in the brain or around ukraine or even latin america, i would really look at it as a,

a rush of way to return real politic realism into the thinking of the american policy making. because over here so far is just political statements, including the ones made by secretary clinton. but the 2nd thing is try to kind of move geopolitical frontier closer to the united states. so it's felt more like a real threat. because right now, it doesn't feel like a real threat for the united states, which grades going to all kinds of maneuvers around brain that the bother russian. it, it seems to me, given the rhetoric and the lack of seriousness on the part of nato and it's member countries. is that there provoking russia? it's almost kind of a game. it's a bluff. it's a game of chicken. and, and as we've always pointed out on this program, here is that if there isn't going to be a straightforward response to the proposal, the rest of may, they will have to take matters into their own hands. no one else is going to protect russian and sovereignty except for the russian steamer. well,

i think this is the right way to view the situation and picking up on what my team has just said. it was natal that did the predictability and then be during the $1008.00. you know, when at the summit of natal they promised to take your brain and ga internet. at some point. this is a big you, this is pretty good. the. so russia is trying to reform with less unpredictability, for the reason that i just mentioned, you know, we're so much weaker. however, we have certain special kinds of weapons which, which make it possible for us to dissuade the wife from a taking and picking up on what you said at the beginning of all the stations. that's all reminds me of or mark destruction about with saddam saying, because the american made you switching the conversation around track. real

problem is nato expansion. your brain or just a moment ha, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break will continue our discussion on some real new stake with our tea. ah ah oh, when i was showing wrong, when i was just a shape out, this thing becomes the african and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will to part, we choose to look so common ground

with that they will put it up on this particular coordinate. the please keep it going to push and push it if i had a few, but there was somebody, somebody put a few minutes. that was 3 to what i still love with it at the but i talked a believe about what will give you hope. all right, so more you will be with, you know, what this was a you boy like you, but here for a little for any weaker live from a brush, your projects that are in your bruise. ah

ah welcome back to cross stock where all things are considered on peter lavelle. this is the home edition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah let's go back to the mess here in moscow. you my a, you were litigating on a point. i want you to finish it off, go ahead. yes. so the conversation is switched to the wrong track. instead of talking about security and the possibility of why month over american and biggest

weapons in your grade. and that may remind you that your brain is as far as just 5 point one for more school at one point. you know, so this is really dangerous because rash will have to switch to the nuclear auction immediately in case of our, you know, the engine is just give us a way probably all right. so that's which of the conversation is going to invade you. this is the same as in 2003. the real problem was when and carl will do that, states that the rock, but there's western media switched it to east side are math, you know, where does he find his weapons of mass destruction? when is going to use them? it all cracked up to be it just if you why, but no one was held responsible. so why not re now, you know, and then the, i think those mobile the, and the american press, the european press on astound, you know, if you are a server there is someone named the old black, you know,

mr. flack, jonathan full flag. he is quoted on europe to prepare for a real war with. ready russia, with the huge casual way, not only dis strikes, probably that divisions, you know, collide in on the job waste in europe and all of that for the, for your grade as well. where understand it's not training for a bunch of guys, you know, run your grade who came to power bar by while and means the steel, you know, to be the real beneficiary. as all from there you will be sure is panama manian or she was there. yeah. these guys are all way you know they, you know, these democracy. oh my god, people still believe this after all this, it messing with. it's really in play in my mind. the lease is then a symmetrical response to this because it's the most pointed out western. so called

diplomats because they're not very diplomatic anymore. and of course the media, they focus on this mean of invasion. of course, russia has no intention of invading. ukraine would be pointless. however, if it would be determined, and this is my opinion, in my opinion, only if it is determined that there are a weapon systems, for example, that would create an existential threat to russia. security route. russia has already gone through the motions of meeting all the significant stakeholders, and then they didn't want to listen. russia security comes 1st for russia, and russia will take action, some military chemical reaction reaction to what could be deemed as a potential offensive missile system. for example, and it will be dealt with and then nato has this quandary. i mean, do we go to war over this missile system? they didn't actually invade the country. i mean, what they're doing goes putting everything in. i mean,

this is like one big bet. and it's going to play out very, very badly, but i'm not that it's going to play well for russia, either your thoughts. right? well, i think the, what's, what we're seeing now is a 3rd attempt throughout the presidency to negotiate this pen european security infrastructure. the 1st attempt was in 2007 during the many a speech where he was talking about the dangers of the unit poor world, and draw and clearly rushes. ledger red lines on ukraine in georgia and that speech was actually seen as rushes own revenge. just emissions and what happens at the end of the day, year after soccer really adventurous strike south cynthia and the war. and charles the said here, the 2nd call for serious discussion about the european security was in 2012 improvements article about russia security guarantees. and that was also in

other turbulent environment after the spring, they pull up the duffy nature's intervention and libya. nobody listen to that either. what, what was saw a year and a half after was the crisis in ukraine in the crimea spring as they came to call it . now this is the 3rd attempt to do to, to draw a clear line and say, look, there are security guarantees. there are important there security concerns that are very important to us of a lot more important to us than it is to you. ah, let's, let's, let's, let's get serious about that. and so far that hasn't been very serious. it's partly because nature in the us are, are short of their own dominance and, and, and, and unlimited, which in a way i think is dangerous because it, in bold boots some of the solo. so both both leaders in the post so that countries

still act in a way that presents challenges for western decision making as much as for russian decision. me. so i think all of the russian military deployments over ukraine are not about intervening intervening because worse or actual ought to achieve some political goals. there are no political goals in ukraine that russia could deal with proved military force. there are other ways to achieve them, but they are exactly in my opinion, to a compelled, the west to serious talks and be to deter ukraine from attacking dom bus. because the number of offences and on bus up increased over the past several weeks, including because of the western supports and rushes view. well hopefully we'll, we'll see a more diplomatic way out of this. so me, in all the background of this last week's meetings, i would say pointless meetings, but meetings, none the less and we have the events going on in context on and that,

that with no coincidence whatsoever. i mean, it's interesting there. again, there's another, it's a symmetrical. russia doesn't like the, the behavior and rhetoric of the regime in care, but it has no intention of trying to change it. but then as we were going up to these meetings, and during these meeting, we had what appears to be a 4th regime change and conflicts which failed here. so you have, you know, russia and the military block a very much it off as an opposite principles and goals here because back theme is absolutely right. i mean, what with the political goal for russia is security and have secure borders. but the, the aim of nato is gemini, ema, wow, it's just amazing. what happened to the west, the reaction to start to rush. and actually alex, dont let me just go, you know, the headline or back. not only these article in the look when you know the french

medicine and declared war on europe and then subtitle ukraine bemrose cover will. well, the whole point was that c s your collective security organization. because there was a real quick because i found several 100 people died. dispatch the force of 2500 ma'am, just to help because up to god, you know, the government buildings which went badly damaged by the way, during that disturbance. and the west. this is the patient, this is russia, you know, restoring its following kind of stuff. and then because the president said in a week, i want the stoops out in well days. thank you. in 2 days that we're going to start so now are better troopers are returning, and the worst is not there when the board judge and you know, this is the same sort as with the sort. but you know, if you read the west before it was all about homosexual as leads what terrible faith is going to await them. and so, you know,

they're all going to be rounded up and then the rest, the nothing happened to them and no one was apologized. the truth is, russia is not inexpensive. you power, not only rational people is peaceful. the rational lead does not 13 by hand, with one area, 3, where quite a bit with that, with what the west, the narrative is that who wants to restore the soviet union? i read condo. so i to go about that since since january 1st this year. and people just don't see the facts. you know, we, what we want is not necessarily allies. we just don't want or style regimes around the regime and or style and steal. we don't want to do the reveal change, the american wait, we expect ukrainians to be given a chance to to, to replace this regime peacefully. and i'm not sure the you don't either, but you got this job because after my done look,

the whole package structure suddenly change. you know, the whole record suddenly change when these peaceful protest policemen, while they enter the rather the bottom of fatherly all the debit just started to speak differently. no wonder. so policeman appealed and the worst says, this is the more christian, this is the moment when your brain became lost. maxime, where does this? where are we going with all of this? because i suppose with depresses me. the most is the lack of serious. but i mean, like, it has already been brought up here when the russians come to your house, they've been and they never leave. i mean, what a projection, i mean, there's so many countries around better getting groups go and they never go home and the rush. i mean, it was only a matter of days. the russian troops were thanked and they went back to their barracks, back in russian rest has no intention of occupying conflicts down or any other country. ok, i mean, and it also showed resolve. and i think my opinion,

that was one of the reasons or whatever was whatever operation was being conducted against causing look more at how russia would react. russia did react and it didn't quite forcefully. so again, where is this all going? how does this n? well, i think what have what we saw in cuz it's on the western reaction to that was a subconscious desire to see russia get stuck there beyond what, what the demon just was talking about the you know, what kinds of reactions i think the, the bottom line was there will hopefully russians will get distracted. and because it was happening in the run up to the geneva talks, the expectation was that the information kind of ambience around that would be really bad for, for, for moscow. you know, so the russians walk in the stocks, but then even even more kind of damage to reputation and stuff. and what happens within 2 days, russia demonstrated very weak and soft results in and fixing the situation. and you

know, in and out that ultimately played out well for, for moscow, you know, raise the profile of c, a. c, o reinforces reputation as the only provider of strict security instability in or asia so far. and also the power that is able to operate equally well on both fronts and it's quote unquote, near border that i think mixed some expectations and make some fillings in the west obviously. so i think so far at this moment, russia has a stronger negotiation position. and is speaking from this kind of real real rate, realism point of view when it comes to you know, assessment, security and priorities. hopefully this would be enough for the west bed. in this conflict we haven't like the logical side. we have a bag matic side and they can't talk to each other. they can't understand. we are

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