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mm. with hello and welcome to cross thought were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. the by the administration is under water in just about every way. is this due to bad policies or bad messaging? maybe it's both. there is also an important question. yes, presidents come and go. but elite and special interests remain very powerful. are they a threat to democracy? ah, cross talking elite control, i'm joined by my guess, holland, by neat ski in new york. she's a journalist and a commentator in fairfax. we have daniel mitchell. he is chairman at the center for freedom and prosperity and in gainesville, the cross richard bars. he is rector,

a big data poll or a crossed huck rules in effect. that means you can jump in anytime you want. i always appreciated. i mean, richard, 1st in gainesville, you're the, you're the poll guy, you're the no numbers guy here across the board. it looks at the biden administration, is really in very big trouble here. what accounts for that in one year's time in one year, ian, we have, he's basically underwater in every respect. as i mentioned in my introduction, it give us the numbers. why you 1st richard? yeah, i think 1st i've been telling people this since the start of his administration, it was a bit of an impossible promise to keep. we have to keep this in mind that he was going to shut down the virus, not the economy. ah, you know, the idea that somehow changing the president was going to get a grip on hand damage. and really, in the end, peter, when people started to realize that you know, the virus was not going away. that is really what gave bought in out that he took a hit from that point on lot of people point to afghanistan. but really, that was just a follow up to van

a follow up event to his dropping poll numbers. what really started that the advent of it all, was the realization that the pandemic that the promises made about the pandemic. we're not going to be fulfilled. so that's important to keep in mind. and i would also point out, democrats, everyone does this before midterm, but yeah, every republicans did it last time, which acts are form they are do, they just can't communicate the message. but that's not really the case. the message itself, the agenda itself is unpopular. so it's a, it really is a combination of things, but without a doubt you can it, you can almost overlap our trends with cove. it is a problem cove, it with his overall approval and you can start to see all the other issues you never really got high, high marks on but he did on cove at almost 60 percent in our polling. and once that started to crater, you know, overall approval, crated with it. okay, helen, the same question deal because i post the question in my introduction you is it is that the policies are the messaging and richard is saying, it's both what say,

go ahead helen. i would agree that it's both. i mean, the problem was that most people who voted provided were necessarily building provide they were going to get a truck. so, i mean, once the honeymoon phase of that little affair is over, then you realize, okay, well i have this career politician who's never done anything. and the type that you put in washington would be expected to do something. now it's just people, people gradually woke up to the fact and yet he made his whole campaign about it. and when he failed to deliver on that and call it in. and it was this big idea of unity in our democracy, quote unquote. and instead of like uniting america, he's basically just tried to stick one half of us against the other half in every way possible, whether it's through the, whether or not people are in favor of mandatory vaccines or in fever last jones, or favorite masking. all every little morsel of the narrative has become a, basically, a mortal combat, like fight to death under bite. and because if it's easier for him to be

preoccupied with one another than to be staring at the white house wondering why are they doing anything? why are they letting this thing spiral out of control? why are they printing so much money? why is the dollar now worth approximately, like one on hundreds of one says it's, it's not going to get any better until people start holding people accountable and they won't be doing that while we're being divided and conquered. okay, well that you bring you bring up a very good point. let me go to richard in fairfax here. bite and came to the presidency, trying saying that he would be and unite or, and you know, he has united everyone, almost everyone against him. how did that happen? rick, daniel, go ahead. i think biden's fundamental problem is, is that he was elected not be donald trump, yet a lot of the american people were tired of all the, the fighting and the drama and that tweeting and bite and seem like a safe choice. he was a sort of a land career politician and the thought was that,

well he'll get in there and we'll have a so called return to normalcy. unfortunately, the democratic party is now controlled by the hard left, the bernie sanders, the elizabeth warren types, and so biden was supposed to be a unifier, but he comes in with a hard left agenda thinking he's going to be another franklin roosevelt. and the american people aren't very happy about giant increases and the tax burden and the burden of government spending not dimension. afghanistan and the pandemic and things like that. i think biden is like a deer in the headlights, big as having been a career politician who simply punched a clock and did whatever a sort of consensus was for the democratic party. he's now hot in a democratic party that wants to do radical things that just aren't where the american people are. you know, you know, richard is the, the f d r has been mentioned so many times, i think it's quite laughable because f, d,

r had a truly a mandate. and when he came into the presidency, but you know, f d r, if you like or dislike. um, he said we need to get america back to work. i'm, i'm a pretty simple guy. i can understand his statement like that. let's get back to work. but while i here is how awful i am is a conservative. i mean, i have to make an admission to everyone you know, 20 years ago, i was pretty far on the left, but the left left me and left me where i am. okay. i mean, i've never seen a president attack so many of people that disagree with them. and it's, it's more than just a political disagreement. it's a cultural one. think also, and that is so off putting his speech on on, on some civil rights, which astounded me. i've never heard a president my life ever talk that way, richard. your thoughts after come after basically comparing the events of george floyd to the life in the works of martin luther came in to really lose a little bit of credibility. but when you fail this badly,

let's be real. when you fail this badly at your job of keeping your promises and both guests. absolutely right. you know, he was the other in this race against donald trump last year. so or 2 years now. he was the other, so he really had this, these big shoes to fill. who are you going to blame when you don't fill them? because it is true. people were tired of the tweets of people we, paul, now they look back on it and many basically tell us, you know, give me the angry tweets back as long as inflation doesn't keep rising. gimme the angry tweets back as long as you know the, the labor market tightens again. so, but, but it's really, we're at that point now where it's too late. when people look to him and ask, you know, the president, what are we going to do? what is the administration going to do? they're out of their really out of office and moving on. an ideological agenda now, it's not based on problem solving. it's based on ideology. so somebody has to be blamed for that, peter, that he can't get the pandemic under control. it's the unvaccinated fault. you know,

he can't do this correctly. it's this business is faults, this industry is full. so that is what political leaders do when they fail. that's what happens when regime start to flounder, they, they look for others to blame and that's what they're doing. you know, helen, in our textbook a, you know, bill clinton, i mean as a person is character, you know, i'm not a big fan of, but i mean, he was a good politician. ok. and he learned to pivot. i mean, all the, all i see the administration who says doubling down on things that don't work. i mean, i've never seen such a tone deaf administration. when you know leadership, it's about it being able to recruit, generate options and take them. we don't see that happening here. is it because, you know, everyone really wants to know who's running the show here. okay. big. i mean, is this some of the speeches that he is a delivered? he's use language, he's never used in his entire political career. i mean, i don't think he even knew work equity meant until he went into the white house. i mean, is it because dan is pointed out to us here? i mean is, is it a certain agenda, a left of se, agenda,

hard lab progress or whatever it is? is that what's captured him because he's not capturing anything. go ahead helen. no, it's not a far left it. and it's not a leftist agenda at all. the biden administration is being run by black rock and vanguard, the 2 largest asset managers in the world, basically control with, by means of owning like a 10 percent. sharon, every company in the world basically. and so it's, it's definitely not leftist inch. and a lot of people like to blame the left because it's easy to do and they, i guess a posture in this left is made and we planning never had any a plan to govern according to the promises that he was making. it was merely an attempt to pull the wall over our eyes while they basically thrust in all of his new normal bill back better thing, which is the global as dish. and it's not an american thing at all. it's not unmarried leftist thing at all. it's just a, it's a, it's this attempt to sort of cover up a, a totalitarian technocracy under the rubric of. busy oh yes,

a fair and equitable and it everyone will be the benefit from this thing. if you look at any of the a yearly missives that larry think, the ceo black rock sends out to all of his shareholders every year. you can basically see the, the u. s. political agenda being, being given bullet points, marching orders in these letters. so, i mean, a lot of people haven't even heard of these companies, but the black rock and ben guard are calling the shots here and has something to do the left leading to the right it. so that's way above biden's pay grade for one thing and he's just yet he's so he's the fall guy for this. when i, when, when, before the election, i said that neither of these 2 men really wanted to be left holding the bag when the us empire collapsed. because i believed it was going to collapse within the next 4 years. i still think that and i think fighting is, i mean it is cuz career is basically over either way. so he, they figured he was he would be a good sacrificial lamb and yet that this is your career, my in the white house. yeah. i don't know,

i had that fewer and fewer democrats or defending of a dan, do you see i did do it by the administration is ideological. dan, i think the bite administration is ideological. i think they do have a left wing agenda. now. what's interesting, i'm marrying to what was just said this left wing agenda somehow is perfectly okay with some of the financial lead on wall street. nels are of the i think they've sort of see this deal in their own minds that ok, we'll go along with these higher taxes so long as we get the easy money, the artificially low interest rate, that goose, the financial markets. now in the long run, i think that's a very misguided trade, that these rich people are making or supporting the laugh at the democratic party. i think you wind up having bubbles that then burst. i don't think it's a very smart thing to do. i think given america's long run fiscal challenges, expanding the well 1st aid simply crates the risk of

a greek style facebook crisis. so, you know, we can talk about black rock band guard all we want. and yes, i think some of the elite who are sort of going along with the bite administration are making a huge tactical, strategical political and economic mistake. but i don't think that changes the fact that it is a hard left agenda from the bernie sanders, elizabeth warren wing of the democratic party. that in fact has stopped the white house. well, it's very interesting because i think a lot of progressive with agree with some of the things he said, a lot of conservatives would. and libertarians, i think, were on this on the, or we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on elite control, se with argy ah, ah, i am inviting shaped passengers, anthony with

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the 1st block there i, i see a little real line min thinking there. maybe we could do a separate program on that. i want to go to a little bit different direction. everybody had bush junior and then we had obama, then we had trump, and now we have biden. and it seems like we're going from one extreme, at least, you know, rhetorically and certainly characterize from one to another. and it's very, very different. and it seems to me, richard, that shows a lot of frustration that a lot of voters have. all voters have is that they, they go from obama to trump, that's a pretty extreme change. ok. and basically, all of these presidents are tamed, maybe even tamed, even before they get into office. ok. i'm not a big fan of donald trump, but certainly the bureaucracy sabotaged him. left right and center. and i know a lot of people are happy about that. but then what been, what do we have elections for? okay. well, what explains is lunging back and forth, richard. yeah, now your dear,

i'm flashing back to old. this is a, in a thesis is work in college, peter. i mean, that's the pendulum swing of politics in america and to some extent it has always been like this, right? i mean, we had eisenhower, i wouldn't call them extremely conservative, but right after yes, somebody like go was brought up before. you know, if the are and, you know, and then we go from richard nixon to lindon john, you know, linda johnson next. right. so very different swings, but we have now though in the modern modern politics we have this distorting force, which is the media. and i think if we had it, we could iron it least some of that out if we had on you know, such an honest, national discourse when we add elections. but in the end, when people tell us when we poll is that, you know, generally this is why somebody like a donald trump had appeal because americans really don't see the difference. right? they know the ideology, but in their own lives, in their own personal lives. they don't see the difference. nothing ever really

gets solved, nothing gets done. and then they enter the, the politicians benefit and those corporations we spoke about in the last segment or benefiting, but the country is not in the long term problems or not. so it leads to just great frustration. and i think, you know, even moving forward, the idea that the former president has been a run again every day. ah, the biggest obstacle for the republican party to move forward really is themself every day. they remind the republican vote or why they voted for donald trump. why they nominated him, and so you know, because they do so by, by screwing up, you know, by betraying their, their base by not doing what they said they were going to do when they were elected . or, you know, when, when they ran in their individual races, and that's something very different from like a donald trump who, who love him or hate him. he did. so, you know, it's very to it very typical in our history that we see these pendulum swings in electoral politics. but in the people, after all these years, peter to say, ah, the republicans take down in 2022. is it really going to matter?

you know, joe biden loses in 2024, or whoever they run to replace him because i'm not sure he's gonna make it isn't really gonna matter. not is what gives appealed. give, you know, to candidates like bernie sanders and like donald trump, who people view to be authentic. yeah. helen, i mean it's, it's, you know, we go through these cycles who have the mid term in general and we get, you know, you go round and sort of, it's great for programs like this to talk about politics, you know. but at the end of day, how much gets done, i mean, richard is absolutely right. we have all these promises. i don't care if it's a republican or a democrat, all of these promises and we basically get more or less the same. and i think that this is, there's a great fatigue in that because they're a really huge problems facing the electorate. and, you know, with so many promises made than promises broken. i mean, and i, and it's this become more apparent in the, by the administration. maybe just because he just isn't up to the job. i'm not a doctor. okay. but you know the same thing. i mean, i've seen this, you know,

obama came in and it was the radiant view. future a left, an empty suit. okay. and we see this repeatedly over and over again. your thoughts, helen? yeah, they all come in with this mythos behind him. i mean, obama was supposed to be this great reformer and his entire cabinet was picked by citibank. so, i mean, the idea that people gradually realized, oops, we just left the wrong guy and, but yeah, as far as the pendulum swing goes. busy there people are just registering their dissatisfaction. people voted for trump because they were extremely let down by obama. people voted for i didn't because they felt or the media told them they felt extremely le let down or in other, in some way offended by tongue. so unfortunate the media does have a lot to do with the fact that we still have this going back and forth and getting nothing done. but as the division and the dividing and concrete increases to cover up to the fact that the empty seats in the white house are incapable of accomplishing anything for the good of the american people, or really for the good of anything other than their stock portfolios. then it becomes a question of, of we are of, it becomes a question of who,

where, where can me a, where can we look? where can we lay the blame? it's, it's, it's, it that the, instead of governing by capua, cooperation like a good compromise in getting things done in an, in congress, whatever it becomes governing by executive order. and so basically the next guy can just undo, last ice present value. we've seen that with obama 1st and then now with, with, with trump and then we biden. so it's just this completely reversal and erasing the last i came before it. it's become far too easy to do that and, and so this is, this is why you have a larger portion of the american electorate identifying as independent as either of the 2 parties. you know, damn it, i'm going to ask you an odd question and it's not a trick question. what, what is a, what does it take to be a successful president? what is a successful presidency? do you have an example in your mind? and if that it went well with that, what example a could a, given that example, how could it help biden? it's not a trick question. i promise. go ahead. you want a successful presidency?

i guess at 1st depends on your measurement of success. sure, lyndon johnson got a lot done. i think it was all very bad for the country at the are got a lot done. well, i think his policies help keep us in a great depression for a decade. on the other hand, ronald reagan got a lot done and i think are restored america's economy. so it's hard to answer that question without the, without bella, your philosophical dollars, but, but here's something i don't think we're appreciating. the reason we have so much of a challenge in the united states is we're not a parliamentary system. we're a separation of power system. so by definition, the way our founders rated our country in our constitution, it made it very difficult for politicians in washington to change things. and as a result, people get very frustrated and then add on to that, that we were elections in the united states and political debates. and the united states now aren't focusing on the things that i care about,

like axes and spending their focusing on things like a race relations and woke this and political correctness and abortion. in other words, the social and cultural issues. now i think are playing a big, big role going back to what i said before. i think this is why some of the elite on wall street now identify more with democrats because culturally, they see a closer affinity. and this is why say low income weights and hispanics are now identifying where with republicans and it's not because they necessarily want sla government like i want, they just don't like the woke agenda of the left and, and this is really scrambling our politics mixing in with our separation of power system and just creating a situation where a lot of people get very frustrated. well richard, but need to. daniel's absolutely, right. i mean this is not on an accidental strategy. ok? because again, you know, i started out this block by talking about realignment because i think libertarians

conservatives and progressive. we have a lot more in common, though, that the media discourse never allows us to talk to each other because we're all mortal enemies. you can't talk to him. okay, but me, but daniel's right on many different fronts here. and it's also about leadership. i mean, joe biden, we showed up in congress a few days ago. nobody respected him. people just walking around, milling around. oh, it's the president. okay. you know, i'm going to go to lunch. okay. i mean, there's no real sense of leadership here because daniels absolutely right. i mean, you know, what is a good president? it depends ideologically. but what he does with daniel described was leadership. okay. and all of the presidents that him a named republican and democrat richard, go ahead. yeah, i was thinking about that when he, when he was talking and, and really looking at this historically. yeah, i mean george w bush, you can call him whatever you want to call him. and during the end of his final term, the economy was in a downward spiral. all they really did try to address the community reinvestment

act issues and but they failed. ah, but at least he still had a relationship with congress in the obama era. i think a lot of americans don't understand us or don't know because the media really the, they don't cover the news like this anymore. but during the obama era, did the white house, the communication between the white house and the congress just completely broke down. and they stopped talking to each other. we went from, it was brinkman, ship politics. we went from what and one get ceiling, a crisis to the next, you know, really manufactured in, during the era of trauma. when donald trump came in the initial 2 years, some of that relationship had been restored because it was by party. and we talk about why things never get done. the minute democrats took over a lot of stop that was in the works that were, was really what popular measures among the people who scription draw cause, ah, you know, lies are coming to wanted to work with president trump on that. but nancy paul, as you put the kibosh on it, because you can't give the president a political win. so we went back then, you know, we went back to what happened under obama,

which was just break down of communication between the white house and the legislature. and that leads the president to get frustrated and they start rolling by for yacht and every time a new president comes in they can take their pan and white their agenda away. so i, you know, this is, it's really not by it's, it's the problem isn't bipartisanship? insisted extreme power politics. ah, yeah. i think it's cute for people to say both sides play, but i would argue one side started it. i mean, but the democrats started it. they did, ah, let's play. well, let's be real. i mean there's a history in, there's been some things right. and something's wrong. they started it and now it went up and said when he to rick rich at richard, i know behind so childish chip for dad. i would make the argument that when they go bipartisan, it's usually for very wrong things like foreign wars. okay. and there's my hardest to chip rod, be careful, okay, because it's really quite a like that we're now and we're almost out of time. you finish it up,

go ahead. yeah, this bipartisanship of this is really the difference between the democrats republicans is so minute as to be almost invisible. i mean, yes, they have this book talk, but the what talk is a distraction for the agenda which has been picking your pocket constantly and ruining your economy and forcing you to turn against your neighbor. because your neighbor maybe doesn't want to where i'm asking the supermarket. i mean this, this is agenda is not that these are not 2 separate, fully formed philosophies that are doing battle in the marketplace of ideas. these are to like, scam artists that just a victim and they're just, it's like to bolters fighting over a carcass. it's. there's no difference between these 2 parties except for the surface. there's maybe they'll don't be a little more diverse looking on the surface, but deep inside the same ugly, disgusting political palace. i think you should have a show on r t. i like your delivery there. okay, for that's all the time we are behind. many thanks am i guess in new york, fairfax and in gainesville,

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