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tv   Going Underground  RT  January 22, 2022 5:30pm-6:01pm EST

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ah, there's things we dare to ask in ah, a with them after dancing, we're going underground. 24 hours after you as secretary of state entity blinking met with russian foreign minister saga lab rover ukraine in geneva, falling president. jo biden's threats against russia in a week of u. k. p. m, boss johnson sending weapons to the former soviet nation. well,
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this is so called mainstream media declares johnson's premise ship, all but over after alleged corona, virus restriction violations in the country with one of the highest cove death tolls in the world will who better join me now for a special edition of the show. from here in london is filmmaker and legendary journalist john pilcher. thanks john for coming back on the showed lots of cove it about so it has to be remote this time, you know, one johnson critic said. it's a bit like al capone being done for tax evasion. but headlines all over the world view k b m bars. johnson apparently relaxing restrictions amongst the worst death numbers in western europe sent troops to ukraine. and apparently is korea's over. what's your take on all of this hubbub here in westminster? what was just that is how bob around westminster political reporter in this country and, and united states as well as is based around the parliament. if
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that narrow focus south of what parliament oz fans or i never understand what the choice why the tories are complaining about the bbc. because if it works, the b, b, c, all it does is report, parliament seldom reporting the wider issues. so what we've had in this country is a great deal of and ah, anti johnson stuff he deserves every bit of it, of course. but it's focused almost entirely on him. and on understandably, on that the scandals of parties and downing street when downey's fate was, was telling the country to, to log down. but it always scandals ah, earlier for sod, for serious wall making. and that's what's happening in, ah,
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certainly in the ukraine at the moment. and it's is probably one of the most distorted stories i can ever remember. i mean, 1st of all, if you look at the russian was, who were said to be the aggressors and about a 1000000 bait. russian troops are actually in russia. ah, us miss isles surround, ah, russia and british troops on the borders of russia, nato troops, or on the borders of russia. nato troops surround russia from slovenia all away down. so the, the aggression, the potential aggression appears to be almost certainly on one side. but it's, it's never a quote at that way. ah, and that's why propaganda is so important to my. we've had nothing but propaganda.
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rush us about when they go straight back to the old cold war when the russians were coming. and of course they weren't coming. as we now know from all what classified material the russians had no serious intention of invading western europe. and yet that was the propaganda all the way through. it didn't make any sense from their point of view. this doesn't make any sense from their point of view now. well they b, b, c with sure, right? as sort of it being attacked this week about the funding it re by the government to it's curious a mechanism that that doesn't seem to have happened actually arguably we me see say it is committed to achieving do it, but she ality and all that. but the commitment is fundamental to our reputation of values. and the trust of audience is you don't think b b c journalist would similarly allow china, save it, add bases in mexico, and russian base is in canada for them to say, look,
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the united states has to change where its troops are within the united states. no, the status or to record version that you just read out loud. and it's always worth a good laugh among those who actually take the trouble to the construct. and unfortunately, most people haven't got time to do that. and so the bbc has an entirely false reputation of objectivity. there's no objectivity. bbc represents our produce imperial foreign policy. it writes roots during a moment with the so called a russian regression in ukraine on domestic policies. we were to learn my, my bill. i'm 2012, and last year, which effectively
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a certain surf out the privatization of the national health firms, the bbc, bailey report. and these bills have a critical effect on almost every one of this country. ok. and what, when during factors time when one of our advisors advised her to privatize the great public institutions the and a chest by stealth, that is what was happening out. none of that, none of that is, is given to the b. b stays millions of years. are as it really is, or the, the headline is represent her own superficial changes and the house service. and the same, the same is true when the media were like austerity news,
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media, austerity. what does that really mean? it means the impoverished bunch of millions of people, and that's what has happened in this country. i mean, it's interesting that there has been effectively and i said, i use this expression an opposite as an accurate description. that has been a class war in this country against the people that the majority of people who cannot keep up with the, or the kind of group policies neo liberal policies, but had been imposed on them ruthlessly. none of their, we have no real perspective of the political meaning of us farrah t even the, the human meaning austerity in terms of the numbers of people who are being on whose lives are being abandoned. every time that the transfer of the chicago
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stands in front of the check, the dispatch box on the these, these are serious failures on behalf of the media, though, though the more cynical would say, i think probably correctly, they're not failures because there is the media role to present a power from the top down never from the ground up. well if philosophically that is just meritocracy is considered by those journalists and policy makers in those in power, i will return to foreign policy in a 2nd. but there were, these are almost hidden announcements about further privatization beyond your film . on the n h. s, which people can watch. i mean, you believe that the lady counting of a covert positive old people in dk homes 28000 dead. maybe it was
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that they were killed and that the, i mean we're now here with numbers approaching, i mean it's debated how many people were killed by cove it in this country. but it seems to be more than those killed by the policies of bailing out the city of london after the financial crash. 20 wait for interesting. good. you know, to stay in russia, academics, i professor de dollar oxford. can i talk about the 10s of thousands of people who have died as a result of your security policy and the, the people at amnesty an organization really not given for a much to i think her seriously undermining our status of government or power. i was in, i think, 2020. the 3rd and last year came out with
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a study where it shows her something like 28100 people, mainly elderly people. sick people had been expelled effectively from the national health service into care homes where they die now. ah, it wasn't i who wrote up the turn state murder. it was another study that came up and you know, we, the, the number of law that have been lost because of the, the cows. it's wrong to say carelessness because it is being callous, either logical and driven. and that is reaffirm by johnson's announcement this week. but on january the 26 is so called plan b would n, and the all restrictions will be yours. and those who don't wear masks will not be
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we're legally required to do so. i and you have a virtually traveling petri dish of, of covert. i'm, unless we're, we're all going to fall into i'm the fanatical area when people say the covert is no different from the flu, but that's in fact what the prime minister of this country is saying. he says he's saying we can now regard it as an epidemic. like there are flu academics, but i've got a very close friend at the moment who is in hospital. so he's a man at his seventy's are and i'm worried about it because his condition has been has been to terry aging for some time is fully vaccinated. he has a booster and i guess he just unlucky,
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but he's picked out but don't talk very. so how often is this going to happen? you know, tell his band way that he has a flu. but that's what johnson is telling a country. it's an extraordinary, it's like, it's like a year jennifer, speaking, not a prime minister, but always lives will be sacrificed. even those younger and center. and many of those are actually died from are from this thing on. but those who fall will will fall ill with those even if they, if they recover from, ah, it's, it's uncertain whether it will be serious. it will go on to being something else. but where to accept all that, where to accept no longer is a supermarket bound to ask people to wear a mask. i should say the london government claims that actually they will have
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jurisdiction over some of the transport, obviously, bars johnson's government or would categorically deny as states and murder as a reason you. i mean, and if anyone thinks you are a big girl hawk, for those wanting locked downs, that hasn't been true. john, i'll stop you there. more from the legendary journalist. he'll make a john pilcher after this break. lou. oh, i see a big pedal. is there a heck? oh heck, no. what with came when we get the rest in 7 years. a
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report. join me every 1st day on the alex salmon show i'll be speaking to guess from the world of politics, sport, business, i'm show business. i'll see you then. mm hm. welcome back. i'm still here with the filmmaker and legendary journalist john pilcher. do you think this change your policy about suddenly freeing up the old of britain and just saying, allowing things to take. that course is, is a political decision based on his own desire for political power rather than on medical evidence which i have to say hasn't properly been produced. arguably, this man who appears to treat the the political body politic. and burton the, like the, the common rumor eaten calling ah, everything is kind of
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a bleak laugh. ah. and so we're saying we now have concrete over the parties have been going on in downing street right through the worst of the, the cohort pandemic in this country. while people were, are bearing loved ones couldn't go to their funerals. people couldn't get married, or elderly people were ha, ah, were on their own, couldn't be visited in care house. meanwhile, is being party time in, in johnson's domain and down it street. ah, i mean that's a truce now for prime minister allows that to happen. and what else will he allowed to happen when he, he is now are throwing away, abandoning the most basic restrictions. i mean, i don't agree with loc downs, but basically restriction such as wearing masks,
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social distance thing. being careful of albert's common sense, but often common sense has to be legally enforced or less or legally require. he's throwing all that away is so irresponsible, irresponsible as a pointless words worse. well, his opposite numbers here, scammer also pictured, it should be said, although he similarly said that it wasn't a breach of the rules as opposite number care suggest, armour now, leading in the polls, of course says he would have preferred to be talking about russia than johnson's or alleged parties. what do you see as her, as this are prevalent view now that war is inevitable, as it were, even while the rest of the world sees this is not really about the protection of ordinary ukrainians. and why not?
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sanctions against saudi arabia of human rights abuses, for instance, is being presented as human rights issue that we need to protect ukraine from russia. what you just said, the whole risk of war and war with the 2nd biggest nuclear harm power on earth. ah, the whole possibility of that, i don't know whether shenadra cooper or not. certainly sorry to look like that. but the possibility of the fact that there is not an issue or an issue before the country with all the the ramifications with o, b, r ah, the components are spelled out to people so that they understand exactly what's happening so that they understand that a section that has led to this and all wants. all certainly all major
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wards have started following 2 sections. we don't have to go back far. ah, the invasion of iraq was based on a major to section ally. and if there is any kind of war with russia over you cray, or really over its rioted and standards borders, the very same borders for which hitler stormed, ah, in the 1940s, whether it has that right or not. ah, there's no, there's no discourse, there's no dialogue about there is between us a bit wider on the media. there isn't. it's a terribly dangerous time. and of this danger. carson's the danger, which is almost like a movable face for when go to china are because everybody really studies
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the so called foreign policies of the united states and its allies, pro vassals, such as the united kingdom, will know that an enemy is essential. whether or not there are an enemy is beside the point, they're not as though there's no real n u k in the world. and there's no real enemies of the united states, but an enemy is needed. so we'll move from russia to china week. we really have to understand, but we have to understand the, the profound sentences, the works in geo politics is not a sort of academic that is something that affects all our lives. and we have the right to comprehend and you know, ordinary people whose lives it's filled with all sorts of things. also have the right to understand it. beyond headlines live only one side,
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one fear and the lead still know that it, it works that imperial idea but relies on propaganda the threat from the other. they have to minimize, i don't know. the as of battalion now integrated in the ukrainian army with its views about hitler and against jews. and of course the, the idea that china brought 800000000 people out of poverty. these ideas, they're not allowed to be put on media in nato nations, as, as a matter of course, we who knows, among those who vote and as i read in some polio the day, one of the most popular creek on the world today is barack obama. there was barack obama, who affected larry, ah, overthrew the elected government in ukraine in 2014, and allowed it to be replaced with her,
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an anti russian aggressive regime that came as a result of her own a bomb as people is vice president biden. her one of a senior, our secretaries victorian you on the all part of actually a conspiracy which i think it was nuance. the price for god was $5000000.00. we got the right. we got the government ukraine church that has brought later you worst. you can ride up to the border of russia. imagine the reverse. imagine the russian's, ah, rather a russian presence. ride on to the canadian border with the united states or the mexican border. is there is that it's the refusal to understand,
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to reverse it. to put our souls in the position of a country that last i don't think it was 20 or 1000000 people in the 2nd world war, the history, whoever's in charge, and in russia, that's been my experience of being in russia and in the soviet union. that history is like a preference it to it. it inflows home influences almost everything. history has no presence in the united states. ah, it's a kind of a permanent allusion. it does in this country which makes the cynicism even more, rather desperate in the united kingdom. that should go along with these dangerous, as well as renewed interest, apparently in russian or chinese,
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a placement of facilities in cuba in nicaragua, in other places. i should say that obviously when it comes to history of the nato think tanks, the one here in routing says there was no deal on guaranteeing a ukraine not being bought of nato, the national security archive. people could look it up. apparently there were agreements but not official treaties of people go watch their victorian newland liter fogel on line. i've got to get to the person that illuminated so much of this for so much or of the world. julian hasanti of wiki leaks, who, according to the u. n, has been tortured here in london and who is detained just very briefly because i know it's law affair, according to his defenders. is julian isn't going to be freed, or is he going to be effectively killed in the united states? i can answer that directly and it gives me the shivers even to make the choice. frankly, it doesn't look hopeful at the moment, obviously. but just before we began this interview,
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i checked with julian's lawyers, whether they had heard, if the high court, the high court was going to effectively allow an appeal out of the supreme court, or whether we'll go back to the lower court. so what we're looking at, i think over the next year or so is a more hearings in this country. ah, it will almost certainly go back to the lower court and then julia's defense team will appeal on all the issues that the district judge day. and i didn't accept and that will go all the way up to the high court again. it's, it's like a slew long torture. it's quite to pray, you know, if to pray the whole persecution while the whole prosecutors are julian. so,
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under a 1917 espionage act in the united states, when it's clear to everybody who understands anything about the case. so the whole thing has been do, didn't, that's about shutting up journalist who do they draw with implications. therefore, for the editors of the guardian lamb on the new york times and all those that collaborated with liquid helix. obviously joe biden, cosmo high tech tech terrorists irregular pentagon released their own video of civilians being killed by a u. s. joint strike in afghanistan as they left her, a bit likely collateral murder one. i know just depending on our leasing things, a bit like wiki leeks, but of course, as part of the campaign to defend him. direct action is being talked about in defense of him, given the policy nature of the all legal process. what did you think of what he saw? a jury acquit those who clearly vandalized the statue of edward colston lee,
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a british slave trader, celebrated in bristol port assigned their dead direct action, and juries can destroy power in this country. after all, that's the good news. that is the good news and you know, the colston ah causburn's assertion which was justice by a jury and the difference between endurance and ah, a judicial system that allows somebody like julian town, possibly probably to be expedited is sort of a moral or surgery. it's like people themselves, the jewish talk, a moral view, and they've been a whole. and there been a whole literally of, of jury pictures. it goes back to 11 that i was in
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her in the mid ninety's when a group called ploughshares, women broke into a british aerospace or arms factory where they were manufacturing the hawk aircraft in lancashire. then bruton had just done a 500000000 on deal within the leisure to supplier with 4 k ultra, which a claim for training. in fact, the whole k craft. and i saw the results of this in east timor were strafing and, and bombing. alicia carter ash's lean may have well the, the, the jury in this of course, found from them the reason the women are broken into the a factory and vandalize, at least one of the aircraft was to prevention was a quarter in the fence to prevent genocide and the jury agree that was
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a moral decision and we say the same with extinction roberto with anti war protesters. people who have gone past the bbc view politics class, westminster, who carry with them all week responsibility of, of great issues. ah, and get enormous or all wire world. we'll have to get you on to talk about the police bill to the curb protest, of course, in this country. but people can watch death of a nation. the documentary you did, which was used in evidence in that trial on your website, john build your thank you and that's it for the show will be back on monday, 5 years to the day, the president, donald trump, would you the u. s. from the proposed trans pacific partnership agreement, the never came to me in 3 years since the trump administration officially recognized the unelected boris johnson supported venezuelan opposition leader. one guide. oh is the country's president deville. then keep in touch viola,
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social media. let us know if you think you are free to protest in your country. ah. think we'll put it up on this particular coordinate. it please keep it going to push and push it. if i had a fever there, should somebody man somebody from a few minutes, that was 3. see what i still love the sub listed at the paradox. lama. meconium dinners for very few believe about video. hope. all right from where you are with if you know what you this was our partner with the you. why i'd like you buy the upper offer pretty weaker. clear from a brush up for documents that are in your bruise.
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ah ah, breaking news this hour. not see a german navy admiral steps down after he spots a diplomatic ra, by publicly se in the crimea is now part of russia. also coming up recently notified congress of our intent to deliver and 17 helicopters after the latest round of the escalation. so the u. s joins or the nato member states in ramping up weapons supplies to here with south russia to pull back its own troops from a border with ukraine rallies against kobe restrictions of breaking out across europe with anger in front of a vaccine mandate.

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