since party political career here at home is actually over. and today the so called world's largest democracy, india celebrates the 75th anniversary of the end of a british imperialism. that reputedly killed 35000000. we ask, outspoken, routing b, j. p party and piece of romanian swami. india is increasing animosity with china is now making india a colonial subject of native. all of them all coming up in today's going underground. but 1st, today the scandal hit government to the u. k. government describing the majority of current of ours, related restrictions in the country with the highest coven death toll in western europe. now, as well as johnson joins nato members and attempting to warn off russia's vladimir putin from ukraine. a question mark covers them of the issue of europe, gas crisis, as moscow arguably holds all the cards. joining me now from here in london is the case, former secretary of state for energy and climate change, chris hewn. chris, thanks so much for coming back on the show, even if i remotely, i better start, i suppose, obviously with the fact that the police is involved in

a criminal investigation of the birth johnson administration for allegedly violating corona virus laws. this is not good news for, for us johnson. he's had a o series of revelations. first of all from leaks about the number of parties that were going on in down the street at that time when they were banned. and a lot of old people were making considerable sacrifices, and yet it appears that number 10 was our having parties virtually every other day. and deborah's johnson has a major problem and with the police getting involved as well, i think things are closing, and i mean, the context of this obviously, is that the 10s of thousands obviously have died. millions, arguably psychologically wounded, makes your in broadly with the police, are seen quite small, arguably in response. why do you think, christina dick,

the head of the metropolitan police, had to be persuaded by media reports to investigate what would otherwise have been this? what fine they supposed violating the corona virus restrictions? i think the most voluntary a had a policy of only investigating and prosecuting where people were literally breaking the rules in front of their eyes. and that has simply not been sustainable when it comes to downing street because of the amount of media pressure. and frankly, the public outrage that people who have made the rules have been breaking the rules . an old phrase in british politics lawmakers must not be law breakers. i know myself and. 6 the reality is that that has come home to roost for boys johnson. i mean, i don't wanna go too long on this because obviously the energy supplies and the bills are going to be mounting up for britain's was vulnerable. but you walked into downing street many times as a cabinet minister, the, there's

a policeman literally outside the building, guarding downing street. were you surprised that so belatedly, the enquiry by a civil center now internationally famous su gray. i think she's talked about in its national babies that the only belatedly were the police then invited for interview about a possible criminal violation before the head of scotland yard then said okay, for as john is probably as to be questioned about this, it is of course the case that scotland yard is responsible for the protection of senior figures. tron terrace, his sons or anything else. and therefore there is always, ah, a police presence at downing street. and you could argue they should have known about this all. ready along and indeed donnie street, of course is covered as no such buildings would be by cameras. and yet nothing was reported to the place now. it may just be internal. what we call chinese walls and

the personal protection squads are, have a, a solid firm pledge of a murder to ah, that the people are protecting and don't shop them too for the rest the police force. but it doesn't look good. and i think the embarrassment is mounted for chris, had a des cannot in that accounts for the fact that there's been a u turn in the much fallen places policy. and they are now looking at these events in retrospect. now, it's a well known rule of politics, the famous wag the dog phrase about the clinton administration, that the politician in trouble will seek out other avenues and to distract from their situation. i should just say on corona virus were unlocked down here because apparently i tested positive one day the restrictions are being lifted. now, do you think there is a bill?

it has a zation of the corona virus restrictions themselves. the w h o, they're saying that they're, they're alarmed by johnson's go with the policies thinker rather than medical evidence this police investigation may be affecting the health of the nation or no, i don't. i think that the evidence on the number of people. ready in intensive care and the number of people being admitted hospital coming down quite sharply. there have been enormous increases and under cases, but most of those cases are asymptomatic or they are people who are really showing no signs of simpson. i think the call a late last year to a relax restrictions was more classical, but i think that actually boys johnson got away with that. well, obviously, as we keep hearing from concerted politicians or johnson should actually be commended for the best vaccination record. and of course denies any element of code restrictions being politicized. but then arguably on the same day,

i mean within the past 448 hours, what we hear is that the cabinet office and treasury minister resigns who's supposed to be responsible for counter fraud over a legit, 4000000000 of corona virus and procurement fraud or what would you make of, of that? i think it's quite inevitable that there was fraud when you dispense so much public money so quickly to keep business alive. and i think the minister who resigned was trying to flag up the treasury and others. ready need to be rather tougher about pursuing these cases that may have been while the government denies or fraud. and obviously those being the food at the moment deny that they're involved in any fraud or you have to make a clear distinction between government for richer. ready is no evidence and fraud by companies are often set up in order to claim cash from the government to get

through the code crisis. that is the fraud. well, the minister said it was ignorant of incompetent rather than corrupt. there's, as you're suggesting, but then i suppose i've got to ask whether the police inquiry may also be impacting on the government and taking their eye off the ball when it comes to energy bills, let alone ukraine, which i will get on to do you think they took their eye off the ball as a former energy secretary said yourself when it came to one after another energy company going bust in the past few months. well, there are 2 separate issues. there were a lot so little energy suppliers. but when boss, because they weren't adequately capitalized for the job that they were doing, and because they did not put in place the source of hedging mechanisms on the financial markets, would have allowed them to continue to supply energy that they had committed to supply. so that was a regulatory failure on the part of off jem,

but i think you have to distinguish that situation very much from what's going on world markets for both gas and oil. and here we have a situation which is way outside the control, frankly, of any single state player. because we have a situation where gas and oil markets have been strengthening, tightening very, very rapidly over the last year. largely due to fundamental factors such as increased demand in the far east because of our hot summer and extra air conditioning demand. and because of cold winter, because you've had a whole series of or of potential supply shocks with various suppliers coming off stream. and you've had a shortfall in northern europe, of, of wind or electricity coming from wind turbines. so all of these are almost like

a perfect storm. and i think that any government that thinks that it can control world gas, the world oil prices is frankly behaving like the legendary no region. king canute who famously explained his quarters that he couldn't control everything by putting his throne down on the sea side and showing that it couldn't stop the tide. and i think that's the situation so, and the government is going to be held to account all the governments will be held to account in the u. s. joe biden is very, very worried about rising oil prices because people blame governments even if governments have very little control of issues. yes, but i mean, in fantasy to king canute, he arguably had control over the resource. it's known as a natural monopoly. energy supplies were old enough to know when it was a nationalized under democratic control industry off jammed. the regulator obviously denies wrong doing. what isn't this

a case for just bring it back under democratic control. nationalize is energy companies. so one company can hedge against those markets and can work with an internationally any, any company can be required by the, by off german officer should have required energy companies to hedge their positions. if they were committed to supplying gas or the particular price, then they need to be able to go into the gas market and secure those supplies in advance. and if they don't, they are taking a massive gamble. the, the gas price is going to stay low enough, them to continue to make a profit. and what has happened over the last year is that it's gone up. as a result, they've been losing money and some of them, as you've rightly pointed out of traps, they're avoiding nationalization context. man, nationalization i think, is a complete red herring. and absolutely no reason why a nationalized company would be any better position than competing companies. in

fact, i think frankly, how many have experience of nationalized companies in the past when we did have this and having to. ready wait, for example, for weeks and months before you got a telephone. when you can walk in and just get one straight away. now i think that nationalization is very oversold as a benefit. okay, well, all the countries around the world watching this with their nationalized energy and telecoms. i suppose we'll have to take note, but i better ask you about the, the idea of cause of war in europe in the global south, obviously, in russia and china, the idea of a war in europe is, is a very improbable that a nation media is being regarded as imminent again and again the brink of war in europe. what impact would that have on the energy supplies in europe given that russia as supplies, reputed, 40 percent of european energy? well, let's not forget that we've had a low level in easton ukraine. really since 2014,

when the, depending on your description of what they are, the local separatists took control on. the only issue now is whether it is seriously escalated. and if there is a serious escalation, then i would expect gas more prices to rise very, very sharply. but i will also expect that russia would not benefit from that because of course what will. ready happen is that the u. s. will attempt desperately to pump out as much l n g and as possible. and it has been involved in liquid. now it could not liquefied natural gas. and that has been involved and talks with both norway and gas in order to make sure that there would be extra supplies. and it's a very big hole to fill because russia obviously supplies 40 percent of the gas in germany and similar proportions elsewhere. ready in the e u, but if that happens,

then i think that it would be immensely damaging, obviously, if western europe in the short run, but in the long run, the people who would really saw or be russia. because if you get the reputation as an unreliable supplier, then people will never want to buy your roll materials again. so, and that would surprise me, frankly, because up until now russia has been a reliable supplier. it has not generally play politics with gas or oil supplies, and countries that do play politics with gas, most oil supplies lose in the long run, growth here and for the sectors take, thank you. after the break, as india's power rises as the asian continent, big enough for 2 superpowers, we investigate the future for india with a roger saba m. p. in india's ruling b, j. b party. all this a more can we have about to going underground.

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a m p in india's ruling b. j. p potty, dr. romanian swami. thank you so much. jesse vermani for coming back on, i want to get to a recent events in a moment, but obviously you been tweeting a stream of information here. 11000000 followers on twitter, about net or g su bus bows. why have we never heard of this man, and who was this man? well, they are different. generations are the generation was contemplating the forty's . i heard of nobody else, but him. he was a president of the congress party man who sacrifices of a flourishing career of being a civil servant and the top of service. one of the i c s. and he came, it was a freedom movement and he excited all the people. he had a theory that on these great in creating an organization, but his,

i turn total non violence is not going to drive the british out. so he wanted a mixture. ah, there was a revolt in the congress party about that. and so he quit the congress party and then ultimately when the war was declared, the war was declared. he went abroad. i 1st tried to persuade the soviet union to help him by then by then stalin had decided to make up with the western world. he broke his alliance with hitler, and so he ran from moscow to, to, to germany. and there he tried to persuade a hitler to help women liberation of india. a ted lower seem to be more interested in the middle east. and also he thought that the indians need to be ruled and it

shouldn't be given independence. and then he said, ok, put me on a submarine and send me to the indian ocean. and from there i'll go to japan. and that's why the, how he ended up when singapore and he created all an army out of those who had surrendered to the japanese. and the british, i'm from british indian army. those b, lenny, good, an army. he invaded india in the sense the cross the border. he captured some parts of mother on for the flag of india in the northeast stage, some india. and he was her mom. i mean became a hero in india. i mean, i do want to skip along, but people can follow you to find out more about that. i should just say in passing that prince charles is the great mentor lord, my baton alleged killed by the i array that you you say that you say that it

was an agent defact to him, his in a sense that killed gun v. ah. well, i don't say it, yes, the, the assassin not, not my gandhi. in my opinion, i had the links or the with mouse button because his 1st attempt to assassinate mark on the, on the 28th of january, 1948 was a fiasco. and in sort of molesting him and putting him in jail because it was play us part right handed. he was let go free. and then he comes back to new delhi on the 27th of january and then now and so did the assess the fires and gun the i don't know whether those bullets kill the gun or not. and there's a big misty on that, that does it on the 30th i'm holding a online discussion on watches. yeah. how did the actually die? and of course, mr. will god say,

as he was non did fire at point blank range or bullets, but how many more bullets you fired and all those are controversies. but it's quite clear that mr. gold saying would not have gotten it on the if it weren't for the complicity of mr. ma'am on back. ok. well obviously, i mean we covered on this show about her not to mount batten's papers are still kept secret by the british government. this move on 75 years later you have more poor than the whole of sub saharan africa put together. you have a prime minister who had to back down finally after the largest strike in history. what did you make of these farm protests that ignited the poor and the consciousness of the poor all around the world? this was the pharma laws that were passed on. you can make a case that it was good reform, but the fact is that one part of india is not the whole of the day. one bothering there, namely print job and some sympathizers in the western stay western district. so

you'll be there were against the thing because it affected the minimum support prices, there would be getting which they were getting at a very high rate, but job and job was a very prosperous, a. our government and particularly the prime minister, was unnecessarily obstinate i had written to him and suggested that those states where the bees ruling you implemented there. because the constitution has made it very clear that agriculture is the sole business of the states and the center has no nothing to do with agriculture. how mr. moody, brought in these amendments was by the back door because the taxes that are levied even on agriculture therein, by the center saw in the name wrong for reforming the tax collection. i. he

created this reform and a non mean characters. they are fighters there for there are any hard to fuck the margins even mrs randy was there and they were didn't bag down. and so ultimately mr. moody had to magna but rather than a matter of a legislative minutia is arguably something philosophical about new liberal food policies. and actually this relates to your increasing government against china, china, broad, 800000000 people out of poverty in the past. since the elements, where can you not see that these sorts of farming reforms as you call them, actually are the opposite of what china did and managed to use to policy that helped to feed hundreds of people. no, not abolished the con commune system permitted the farmers who are not previously permitted to sell their own produce. and if necessary,

come to urban areas and sell them. yeah, i didn't allow foreign companies didn't allow foreign companies to come into small farm holdings or take them over. i don't think there is been an allowance for specifically foreign companies to come. what areas is that they? there was operation by which the indian plutocrats are the big business could come in. and those are things that were uncalled for. and in the reforms and i, i, my son objected to it. because when you say that no farmer's need not sell it in the, in the, in the wholesale grain market, they can make direct contacts with the industrialists and make a contract. and in fact, grow what the industrialist wants you to grow. now was actually in my opinion, a disaster. and shouldn't have been there in the 1st place. i just be j b. paula.

look at the coven vaccines. i for bill gates is very into in the are in the coven vaccine? yes. my favorite one for me. there will be no indian challenger waxing, because i'm on the standing committee of parliament on health. i was able to ram it through in the beginning, our end mr. by mr. announced the on the announced that the british or astrazeneca, whatever it's called ah, and then i my, you know, had, didn't in the meeting was there of the state of it. and i made a very stringent criticism. and i don't know whether in response to that or what the, by mr. nate, late night that same day, also said that co action can do it. in a quote waxing. is the only maxine now which i know has 0 of mortality rates, and they're referring to the indian vaccine,

not the multinational attempt to trying to vaccinate the global south or whether i don't think that correction is enough to give it to, to any people abroad. i have no report of any cor waxing debts that has been submitted to our committee. and if anyone can find out with that, i'd be happy to take it up. obviously are meds and always kaiser risk. i think the void is 75 years on some i'd say that whether it be the vaccination, whether it be new, liberalizing the farming, whether it be the or what is this $10000000000.00 and negotiated of arms from the united states. $22000000000.00 from the u. s. in arms. over the past 10 years, a pawn against china is one allegation. india is basically a colonial subject of nato. and the i m f and world bank. and bill gates, maybe you, well i'm, i think we are not anything specific. that's the worst part either you should be

in the car acquired or you should be in the bricks. but mr. moody is in both. and both sides. keep inviting him on that that he achieves anything in that. i agree with you that we need to do a lot of our own production. and i was the slogan earlier on self reliance after the most money to go the 1st dilution. take this when we bought from the french the a valid claims. and then from there, so read union as fuse me russia. we bought s 400. and now i think we are going to buy a $500.00 to and now the americans are upset. they're saying that you know, that this is billed with chinese electronics and we can give you our advance weapons because there will be spying. so to, to learn. we are, we are getting the worst of both worlds. you're not really doing it to the west. if

you are saying that we are a junior partner of the west, that's wrong. here, we seem to be junior partner practically the both blocks and just find me. i better just very briefly put to you what has been of course i said that there is a genocide against muslims and christians continuing. i presume you reject the accusation? yes, i have and i can tell you that, but that's a general site is ridiculous. yes, there have been rights, but this is not that to happen only when our, when we became to part the beach because this is gone. the thing i can do you want to 89 where there been a i in order to get it killing by hindus. and then in your song or whatever the targeted killing in, but job with the seeks. oh,

there are plenty of examples, but these don't come into a more general site. it's not that they have been they maybe lack of finesse in using the police. lack of preparations there, but i mean, foreseeing something is going to happen and do something about it. all that. but genocide in india, there's no place that just happened. it's western propaganda, doctors, everybody and so i me, thank you. over 180000000 voters are eligible to vote in elections in the beginning february, and that's able to show you back on saturday, 20 years to the day since president george w bush's state of the union address, where he 1st use the term axis of evil before catastrophic nato interventions in afghanistan, iraq, libya, and syria illuminated by julian sons. you want to small legal victory on monday to prevent him from dying in a u. s. prison. until then keep in touch, why all our social media and let us know what you think will be the result in the upcoming election? ah

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would like to envision that does it actually is it is just like that one direction do i need to? and from the other side with them i would prefer to be led by law. the law will, he now was a british prime minister, boris johnson's political life is hanging by a threat with a government inquiry into downing street lock down violations expected to be released later today as a police prob, is already underway also in the program here on out to you, we speak to a british mother whose son died after he went to any with chest pains, but was told to wait for 4 hours to see a doctor. and countries across europe are easing that cobra restrictions, despite ne record infection rates. well, health officials are giving mixed signals on the threat of armor kron.