ray mcgovern is a pharmacy analyst and in brussels, we have here in many, well tom and he's a ph, d and geo politics. and the lecture at leon university gentlemen, cross up rules and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated, i got to re, 1st here, re in raleigh. where do we stand right now? we've had 2 weeks plus of very high profile meetings. well, with the u. s. with russia, the nato, that the whole works here. where are we right now? because the western media, particularly american and u. k, they're on nothing less than a war path. how do we stand? the media is on a war pass. the question is, what is going on behind the scenes? now we know that love are off and emb lincoln agreed less than a week ago to continue to talk sion that blinked and promised to give a written response to russian demands are russian request this week. so we're on

tenterhooks with respect to that. but that's the other reality. the reason that the media does have right about that is twofold. one is there on the stand it, and number 2, they want emphasize it in favor of all this war mongering. now i'm not, i have seen like of this weapons of mass destruction in iraq and some of the same people. david sanger, the new york times, for example, who was judy miller, was the prime culprit, or this channel about weapons of mass destruction. so the media is not with it, whether the me will come around and do what i think blinking and biting are trying to do that is satisfy the russian desire to be accepted as it equal to be taken seriously to have what the terms for respect. ok, respect, that was the terms say that it means

a lot more than just or the english thing. respect. that's what the navy commanders shed and got karen for this last going on. the alliance is following for the germans. they're all important cog of the alliance of the germans are making clear that they're not going to be treated like vessels anymore. if you brits want to fly arms and so you can, you better find some of the route go around, you know, go around this and so, so a lot of things are happening. but hopefully by friday we will know what the u. s. written responses, the business about progress to now, you know, getting a requirement that that's not going to happen, but that can be finished. you know, every, every country can asked to join nato, but it takes a unanimous vote by a 30 day to get 30 whatever it is down. yeah. that 30 native con trish unanimous to accept. now are the, the germans and are the french,

or anybody who is any cherry ends are definitely, i'm know at this for you. let me, let me go to phil here. you know, fill. it seems to me that the bike administration is paid of itself into an impossible corner. i mean, this is so artificially generated here, and it's so many missed steps here. lincoln is obviously out of his li biden. has a hard time staying on the same page as his own administration here. i mean, it's really the, the, the, the, the responsibility now to resolve this is on the american side. but there is a piece meant in the air, i mean, and then you know, and this is also a result of russia gate, you can't make any kind of have any kind of rational conversation because this is the, these people are worse than hitler. i mean, they painted themselves into an impossible corner bill. well i, i agree with that and my lot less optimistic can be gray, is over the issue of what is going on behind the scenes. i think in fact if you,

if you look at the record, both the white house and blinking and the natal leadership are singing the same tone, which is essentially that it is up to nato to decide if it is going to expand, introduce further into eastern europe and this is the, i think the, the fundamental objection that people have that this is a major threat to have a hospital alliance sitting on your border sitting on your front door. and so that is the issue where we should have seen some flexibility because the other issues are negotiable. you know, they, they kind of missiles that are in eastern europe. the eventual solution for what the don bad say she was the starter gospel. but the fundamental issue of having a hostile alliance sitting right in front of you is not the coach. and i fear that

this was a start by washington, essentially to prolong to be discussions when there was no intention whatsoever. conceding the basic point that was essential to concede. yeah, because id been talking about this for 30 years. okay. and then fight. and finally, the russian side says that there they, they have no other alternative but to, to safeguard their, their national security interest, which, which is the, it's been revealed, isn't nato, doesn't believe russia has any national security interest whatsoever. and that's why we're having this problem here. i am, let me go to up here am emanuel. the way the media's of phrased this all constructed their narrative. it's all about ukraine, but it's not about ukraine. ukraine is a symptom to this problem here. and the further you go from the european continent, the more obvious that is and, and we have seen the, the, that the divisions grow very publicly. now within the

e. u and the countries that are part of nato here, they are fought. they are not on the same page stolen and bird can say on speed dial. you know, we have major unity collected unity, but it's anything. but right now, again, the european union and nato. specifically, it's put itself into a real pickle because there isn't a, a unified position on this. your thoughts? yes, you are totally right. actually are 3 are witnessing eva ward a jo vertica fragmentation. and we need to on the wheel, it's exactly the same process. geopolitical fragmentation. but since the beginning of the european project or so your or the i need or configuration for fresh germany, italy as young the founding member states where or so different and do it for success here at large money became even more diverse. and or at the moment we

ever made either the country was the closest to a position of russia or, or val and not to talk to you don't agree totally is france because of the low a go to stick. se transit would like to engage in negotiations for new europe and security treaty, or why? because in the goal is to approach trans for its own jawbreaker margin of minute or who would like to with more and more people i want to move balance with in europe. as well, because after germany unification and germany only thinks the europe and project as a sub product of the euro, atlantic space. because he doesn't ever nuclear weapons. so it depends on the u. s . for security. so france would like to not only balance the united states in the

world is too small to do with their own, but also germany. and or this is why the franco russian or sticker is important for francis has always been in the past. but problem is a menu and macro try to propose or to negotiate. but v of a member states a new 20, you disagree and he does an immense 40 what he says, money as in of a position. yes. a double strategy on one side. he said economic power in the middle of europe, and it doesn't want to have this side with russia. are you once to the germany, it wants to, to, to maintain itself. i say, a st charge power, but economic power and, and it needs russian gas on a boat. we said, you know,

leave the politics of europe to the french and leave the policy. have you heard of you, the germans, and it can kind of work. i re, i mean there, the famous phrase from the, from the cold war when it comes to europe, keep the russians out, the germans, that in the americans in as being tested right now, because the germans are saying, why should we stand down? and actually russia is part of europe, irrespective of what the blinking have to say. i mean this, this, this, all, this, this off of this very idea is being tested now. it made it 30 years after the cold war. but i think it's a spent force dos actually, i think this is the most important development last week. now we're seeing the german high officials, the state as to merkel stated when she was in power. ah, the idea of giving lisa weaponry ukraine is i think the day she said this was the idea now that way. all right,

because i was what was going to do well, they're not gonna enact going to attack russia with them, but they will attack those russian friendly call, separate tests. but really, people in the done boss who want to have a really good bit of regional autonomy. now the good news, a good note today in paris, the normal the for our meeting to see if they can breathe a little bit more life. and so that makes records, which is obviously the way out of here. let me just ask you this one, a few things that they're filled. are all there and i have ever disagreed on. but my position on the nato broadening is it's easily finished. the us can say, sure, are we agree? and the russians can say, everybody agrees. anybody can shake membership in nato. that's good. all right. but the nato a treaty says it requires unanimous consent all the other members and the president i states as well, that going to happen

a near term. and our diplomats and kids have been telling the ukrainians in 10 years it couldn't happen to so so that's something you could finish. ok. it sounds like a big deal. everybody makes a big deal. but your confession is around what you can finish just what they're really talking about. and those are those medium and intermediate range. missiles said that bite has already promised. get this not to install in ukraine. that's play. that's a quick. now, what the russians could our give in terms of, well, we'll probably learn this week, but fell on the i. over the past few weeks, i've used the analogy of the cuban missile crisis. and me versus that. is that a good analogy for what we're seeing, right? now, i think this is a metaphor anyway, it's basically a situation where one country feels its national security is threatened by having a hostile enemy right on your border, or the case if you're just, you know,

over the water. and i, so i think the, the analogy kinds of homes for how russians are perceiving that's read by nato, not conceding the issue of unlimited expansion to new york. so i think we're, we have that need to think of bothers me most about the media and hold that thought, all that we have to go to a heartbreaking up about our break will continue our discussion on russia. you said save about ah ah ah ah ah ah,

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welcome back to cross stuck were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah okay, so let's go, let's go back to phillips. i entered the 1st part of the program by bringing up on the metaphor of the cuban missile crisis in reverse and you started answering. but can you add on a little bit the helsinki final act, which made it clear that one country cannot improve insecurity at the expense of another mean, this is, this is part of the dna and originally of the western alliance of nato itself. and now it's completely void, it's not even given credence. ok, i think that's one of the things that i wrote fundamentally facing right now is that who is allowed security? go head though. yeah. that, that, that is a fundamental point. somehow the russians are not allowed to have it in the united states is and the media to be is the major criminal on this, the western media,

essentially where, you know, we're seeing a situation where they're not getting down to the basic fact. now the basic fact here is if you go back to the nuremberg trials on an aggressive war against the country that has not threatened you actually is the ultimate war cry. and the united states is threatening essentially war against a country that does not threaten it in any way. and it's on behalf of another country with which it has no national interest or strategic interest except things that are being invented by the media. i think you probably saw the editorial she had over the weekend where she said, she's creating a false narrative, which is that the russians are intending to drive the united states out of all of your this is, this is going to be,

this is going to be the way to explain that there is a threat against the united states and this kind of nonsense and proliferating. and unfortunately it's, it's, it's obscure the very basic fact that russia, that's not true at united states. ok, but it's still that it's not the peer a menu of what is, what is ukraine worth to europe? i mean what we are we have that the french sir, that i sent some material and troops, maybe to romania and austonia, sending some missiles to you. grey, i mean what, what is the strategic value of ukraine because it seems to me, the more you invest in it, in one form or another. i know the european union a few days ago as senator emergency 8 of 1200000000 euro sap will disappear. like all the other international aid, it doesn't, it just goes away. i'm sure that it goes into a swift account in switzerland in a matter of minutes. ok,

this is obvious. ok. i me ask hunter biden. he knows how it works in ukraine. so, i mean, what, what is it worth to europe, and is it worth, is it europe's economic health and, and prosperity worth this because the way i look at it, you know, trying to isolate russia a sanction russia, all to me the, it's the europeans is least economically, they will get the short end of the stick on this all for ukraine. go ahead. i think you're the problem. ease in europe or security. perceptions are very different for the french. ukraine has no value. it goes for the french, early on, many interested in you know, a fighting again, islamist in the southern africa crisis in north africa, and near east and in africa. oh. from a german point of view, is there a big difference?

because the ukraine is very near to jumps of territory. it's a buffer zone, i guess, against russia and or germany as it economy power would like to and not a european come on the market to wave are more, more, more room, more, more consumers, old, sure importer. you know, people from ukraine, young people, we don't, don't find a job in ukraine. they come to germany like, or are eastern european states and full by kick on poland. or you could not only evaluate, we can russia, and that's why they make a strong ideas, reunited states or 2. and they would like to include, do you currently need to, on the to, we can russia for italy or so, but they don't,

they don't care about a talk about your grade but, or they would have to maintain or kind of make links. but we've united states and russia, then i mean tell, and maybe i should rephrase. the question is ukraine. we're going to war for maybe that's the question i'm asking. you know, nobody, nobody will go to war for ukraine bus for sure. it's only or a question of perception of security and or see barney or defense of nate to the right to choose a b i. n c's. but actually the europeans does agree. the fir, maxima, maximisation, of, of the position of united states on the british. i mean, i think it, i think there's one word for it and it's not even english. it's a greek word. it's called hubris. ok. that's how i see it all, you know, re it the way the media is presented. this is so we responsible. i mean,

obviously we all remember the drumbeat to war against a rack. ok. and in the, nobody's learned anything in the media from it and that they should have been punished for it. but they're not re, there is something called genuine ization. remember that or the austrian neutrality after the 2nd world war? i mean there are tools out there to do this that, and i think that that, that we do a lot of russian concerns wouldn't be exactly what they want. but that is, that is more than a half lo here. why hasn't anybody empower actually said, hey, maybe there's a 3rd way out where everybody can win because the western leads and particularly the western media doesn't believe that they have to be when are lost because russia, russia is not legal, litany liberal, it's conservative, it doesn't, it's not part of the the western world that's woke is them in all this easy to demonize russia. but if you, from geopolitics from a geo political point of view neutrality, why not re,

was good idea. and it has been bridget bout anatole leaving. for example, if they were inspected, former for writer for the london times, i believe, who has a very influential position. now at that when she has 2 children and i believe is advising people in washington who are way behind the years on these issues. what, what i'd like to just make sure i introduce here is the big factor which changed washington's view. that we better talk to the russians. we better adhere to their timeline, we better respond to their, their request. we better do this real quick and they will that all in a month. why? what change between now and june china now, you know, why don't people get it bite and was, was very poorly advised going it to the june 16th summer. what he told the chinese,

what his heart versus the look, mr. putting, you know that the, the chinese, a situation here where, you know, you have a long border with try, and they aspire to be the most mila and most powerful military, as well as i can. i'm sure you gotcha, but we understand you have very concerns of i'm pushing mr. look to of why who survived this guy? and so the next several months are made very, very clear that china was the china and russia had a relationship quote, that exceeds and warmth, closeness and effectiveness and alliance. that was, i mean, that's z and putting on the, on the zoom thing with each other, published by the, by the russians. now, if that exceeds an alliance, that's something that, but it has to take into account. so even as generals are, is admirals, don't want

a 2 front war. china and russia are in effect military allies right now. and if there's trouble in europe is going to be trouble sanction, or c, and i went straight, and biden is bright enough. i hope to realize that no time to make a little deal, at least with russia, negotiate what bothers russia most. and those are those intermediate arrangements. ballistic missiles, a finesse that they do thing and, and we'll get a more stable relationship, which is what i wanted said i wanted was fresher. even philip, i mean, who is advising by? there's a deal on a hill. it's a gate sullivan, is it victoria new and, you know, bill because, you know, they're, they're scenario is it, we have to knock russia out, knock it out, and then we take on, we take on china, that is with me going to fill here, this one, this child's playing, this is child's play. why? why is the russian china have a close strategic relationship now?

it was made in america. go ahead film. yeah, right. is absolutely right about china being a wild card that is suddenly presented here. and it will certainly drive thinking among those people in the white house who are actually capable. and the problem there is that there are, there are few and far between the hatred of russia, this like a rush hour. you want to pass fraser is by parson much. we're republican senators coming out with well demands to go to war to send troops. they're right away and done and certainly to people grabbed the president is listening to are coming out with a lot of the same thing. so i'm not, i'm not terribly optimistic. i do not believe that anybody really wants to war there. but, you know, these things happen. we remember how the 1st world war developed,

how the 2nd world war developed. russia has very strong memories, of, of both those experiences. and united states there's as never been invaded. well, not it's 916. but, you know, the thing is that i, washington is full about advice. and i think the fact that the media has been totally on board of hostility to russia for many years now. since 2016 certainly indicates to be that, you know, the public is being misled on this. the politicians themselves are big this. and there isn't that there's no real good advice coming out to wash my pay. always not going to give good advice, a blanket. you know what? one of the things, you know, i'm looking at all of us here. all of us remember the 1980s in the, in the, and the fear of intermediate missile under kilo weapons in the protest movement and all that. and then a few weeks ago, some, a republican senator, you know, he says,

you know, we have to bring new to bear. i mean, that's such gross responsibility because, i mean, russia is not going to be honest, it's not erratic, it's not panama. it's not renewed. and i think this is what's being forgotten here . i really truly believe that the fear of a nuclear war has been forgotten. and we, unfortunately, we must be reminded of it in the most horrific way. and i obviously don't want to go there for a gentleman that's all the time. we've got fascinating discussion with my guess in personnel, raleigh and in brussels. and we're thank you for watching us here. are you next time remember? ah ah ah,

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