30 minutes have to say that, ah, not long ago open public debate was considered a good thing even essential for a stable functioning society. today, if you do not follow in propagate liberal pie fees, you are a use of misinformation and should be banned from polite society. shut up or else who oh, bbc was with the wrong to continue to maintain a high prices in the country with the seeing in the world. the situation in

afghanistan is under the crucial for international under control over the afghan forces. the security situation remains critical in the country with a hard on you this is a chat as long as you want. so yeah, like how about if i was on? if i lose, i finance most of these guys, some of them, they have ordered a mess. up on the answer. dana danny, sound right now. i'm making my yeah. we do some. i'm on file for you. yes. missions didn't was on the area with my mom. huh. so how many of the persons that you're sending out? i used to be a child soldiers that when i still i got down,

i can't tell that. how many do you think i can't? i can't i can't tell what you're dealing with many people. and we don't just say i this and elizabeth and this ah, listed in selecting god mounted by the wealthy says, and i quote, with locals with what they look, look not for anybody there, you'll fall. he will learn how to do so. tradition, if you will not fight with a stick from the spirit with arrows,

just the tradition. so if you are trying to think of this from me, disoriented them cycling kind of short for that is not the case. may be critical of people who used to be fighting when they were very young, that they now go to war. you think that's a problem? not that's not a problem boss. not a problem does. yes it by steps. young people are taking that from actually yes. if i step sure. and even if they had started when they were 12 years old or 13 that's . that's not a problem. not a problem. that's the job that's a far down his car. yeah. yeah. he with god. so what we were we us with him. they were fiscal fiscal fiscal frame

in january, and we voted to use the guidelines because of their discipline, that people will come. and what you're telling them is what they do on the, on english the down to sure. they've got the credit. the good companies reason i'm come on that we sometime on or work out for some time.

ah ah, the private military industry is a part of how the country is in my tours today. um, ah, us government doesn't track the number of contractors it uses in places that iraq or afghanistan. we know it's a lot. we don't really know exactly how many i spent several years working with in the industry have a military background. and one of the differences between being a soldier i found and being a private military contractors that we work for the u. s. military or any military

. you take a sacred oath that you're going to serve and fight for your country as necessary, die to protect a way of life. one that you believe it. i am an american soldier. i'm a warrior and a member of a t. o. i will never accept defeat. i will never quit. i'll never leave a fallen comrade. it's the complete opposite in a private mil to world. you look at the budget 1st, the loyalty of these companies and these businessman change, depending on the market forces. we operate in the world's challenging complex emerging markets. the middle east is absolutely the core for our business. today. we care, we empower, we perform and do the right thing on this industry is not just what you see is what you get. ah, when you see a company,

you don't know exactly who's working for them. they hire and they sometimes crate will they call subs sub contractors. ah ah ah, there's been commanders in afghanistan who just simply said, we don't know who the subs are, the subs the subs are. so you have all these like layers of a contract. ah ah. levels 40 controls 1st to

fade quickly. the deeper you go from the top to bottom, a united states army, and the military in general is so reliance on the private sector. i would call that dependency, but we don't know who is the on the ground presence of these companies overseas. we just don't know. mm mm hm. ah, the 1st time i arrive to, to this training camp camp land. i wrapped together would that to 2 white men from from the security company? oh,

we're driving out and the small track and what's to was to camp through this forest, the landscape not so far away from, from the airports. and when we enter the camp and get us out of the car, the 1st thing we see is this. say again on the instructor, wasn't shouts of the training out there, making the recruits line up in order to receive a these guys in the past security company i locked in for iraq. the seller rick market from rocky said that he needed they want to share your thoughts or suppose to what are your are not on odyssey, without whom those who know basic i with weapon. this is all if you put out the car, the car file. if i to return a monsieur young

governor, texas, the iraqi quitman was considered a quite good deal in the sense that they could actually take local chapel, make us setting their way to rec, for a couple of years. and then returning them after 2 years with money and from that overseas deployment, this could serve to stabilize security and sir young hulu . down in the beginning of the swimming course, the one that will weapons presents. so there are using these wooden sticks a with 1st aster a couple of days into the training that the weapons arrived there while being lined

up at these wooden tables within, in the middle of the big can bigger of your article a there was this tension and excitement also attention mainly because now it's actually getting into something very real from any of the recruits. so the 1st time holding a weapon since the ending of the civil law. a many were starting to to shake and some were wave is starting to cry. when that when the took up the weapons and not being able to, to handle an o that did it

a bad influence, not available. i don't know. i mean, what has come back from the past. i said that we've been with us and i love to know and i'm seeing this when i'm thinking of for now that i'm going to buy a gun. so they're supposed to live or not again i so this is not my idea shown over again. what followed? i survive my life where phone? with no. oh oh oh, it's the still young and what what has been forced mainly by young conventions.

unload looking for young men to perform military jobs. the chances are quite good that they have also been child diligence a job. oh, don't worry. right, no, no i. 8 don't need to be all good and that's going to show you that you have the money to shoot me an fisher, if not every day you remember a few my father of my work with y'all. ah,

when i was young, that a lot of things that i didn't send in a lot of debt, which is not good for you monday. what were they raised because i have a job. have your command on when they say, go there and harass us before you have to load it. by, danny, don't do dutch, you too, have been killed. ah, your china. we say that the geography, the nucleus. you go but john the me a job gashodi she can. hi sharon, my name is rob lee with

me. right? yeah. it's like over the summer group with jose online and kelly recruiting, quote and i renewed my for my tissue of that 1000th of love didn't get to. i learned that to me for she would be best and i must be lucky. i could had them of the fact not only, not that you can think of that no, because he asked him do you me actual protection for him. um we'll get my stuff the money that i can live with . ah .

with when we think a war and the warrior who fights it, we have this image on our mind of a man in uniform. mm. o. uniform means they're fighting as part of the military service nation. the cause that they fight for their force, political patriotism. and yet when you look at the wars of the 21st century, they don't match those assumptions anymore. now we have out source to lot of our warfare to private military companies in the background of this changing nature of

war and who fights that dates back to the very start of the private military industry itself. until the early ninety's, the for the security industry is adult murky industry. i out, right, let me try to bring down governments for the cash. mm hm. outcomes proposed proper, private military company. it was exactly that. it was a private company. they could field a full all the time. they had incredibly highly trained and had moved into a private depression with cobra videos. literally saying in your executive

outcomes is a legend. in this business they formed in south africa as apartheid ended. they had a background in some of the special police forces during apartheid was elite units . i've had death squads, some of the most controversial units in terms of the human rights records. a good one, dan, ready to go with. they worked for oil companies, they work for governments like angola and certainly own. and this became controversial and international that he stepped in and said that you can't hire executive outcomes. so another company called san line international out of me

london sort of ended up taking on some of e o 's contracts. sandlon a is a company that provides military consultants. his house is full governments. all large corporations are at the time. the idea was to get very posh english officers on top of these private military companies. and tim spicer was an officer in the military british military. i got out and was asked to come help with a company called san line more executive outcomes rogue to be, unless we think they're extremely good. they're extremely professional in a very good track record. there are no. ready skeletons in the cupboard, is it? well, i mean, we think to have a very good human rights record and we would use them for the hires,

the same people to south africa, but now they're legitimate because they are working under a contract. ready ready to spices arrival gave an almost instant. ready singles of respectability to what had previously be unless news world. i'm not personally having difficulty with the word must me. i just don't like the image that it comes up in most people's mind. if i some are met tim spice, i was interviewing him for a newspaper dashing and charming public school educated gods officer. and that really wasn't matching the feature ministry before then. it changed the agenda, the global agenda, and what a problem that your company was ah, tim spicer was considered a respectable hand of a mercenary organization, but at 1st his business affairs didn't go to well. he was dogged by failure.

for example, you got a phone call from shallow indian with ty, passport who was under house arrest for a financial scandal. and he contacted tim spicer and wanted him to restore the president of share with me once the president sherylin was back in power. this guy would then get his contracts for diamonds and be able to make money, but it didn't work out that way. the company, sand blind run by tim spicer, full mommy, kendall, is under investigation by customs and excise, but he's accused of smuggling weapons illegally. when a private firm gets involved in foreign politics for the benefit of a criminal, you have to stop and ask, okay, this really happened or is this the fictitious james bond type star? but it was a true story. these things tended to happen to some high,

sorry government on that. he'd always somehow managed to get wasted out. i was calling in pop and you're getting sound like are arrested at the airport cuddle. spicer is facing firearms charge is linked to his bid to provide south african trade most reese to put down a local result they were thrown out of the country, but it was, it seems by some of the ways i'm stood at. the media is a risk, but can be turned. he had to deal with the bad publicity from this operation, which previously would have been completely undercover. but i suppose spice's either genius or stupidity was to make it public and say, officially, no, this was a contract. this is the contract i signed. the recently retired british can lead a band of messengers, is safely back in this country. so has is put him up, is new career as a hive. guns. are you gonna continue with this new new business of your sand line

international? well, i think we've got a number of lessons to learn from this particular episode. i think that we will continue to try and develop our business as long as we can do it in a central way. sand line eventually collapsed under the weight and bad publicity. was that a failure? in the short term, you could say that was not a successful company in terms of delivering an enormous amount of money to a shout and cycle. conversely, it launched him spice on a career where he was able to found what would then become more and more significant problem. if you company in the, well, he just went

11, heard everything changed to the contractor content and the armed forces went up astronomically at this hour. american and coalition forces were in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq, ideologically, republicans, my party wanted every single public function to be scrutinized, analyzed, evaluated, and if possible, privatized general shinseki, the head of the u. s. army at the time, testified to congress and said, if we're gonna do a rock, it's gonna take several $100000.00 us troops and very quickly, the rest of the bush administration reacted negatively. and he's absurd,

that's crazy. it's not going to require those amount of troops, and they actually essentially drummed him out of the military. it turned out he was right. we did deploy several 100000 forces. it was just through private military. ah. ringback so in the early days of iraq, it wasn't gold rush. you had companies coming out of nowhere in clinton, blackwater, who was really like a cowboy while law west when nobody at any control. anybody doing anything with firearms in this country could say their private military company was an atm for these companies? well, the basic idea of a contractor versus recruiting training and supporting military events is that

there was room hiring a prostate or getting married. so instead of a soldier who has an ex cost of a, you're not paying a contractor and being a times $10.00, you're welcome. what has happened is that america has basically married a prostitute and has been active. paying them for a very long period is almost a good example. if you invite a few thought, none of your right and left her to run a very loose shift from using private military contractors for understandable to ass to using private military contractors. wholesale in my view, took place without much debate,

and all everybody loved contractors offer some gray area benefits to politicians and everybody is concerned. like do we have a 1000 boots the ground? nobody ever asks. how many contractors they're they don't really count boots on the ground with the u. s. military. i wanted to put 1000 books in the ground and there's 4000 contractors. it's a way of, you know, having force of 5000, but without political risk. with what they're shooting at. you make a you yes. yeah.

with bank guy. did you get a skirt to shoot part of it? my son grew up in ricocheted in his car with right with the private security companies had the sensitivity of a van bull. elephant civilians would often always get quotient across fine blue. ah, what governments have always done because they would do 2 things. once you fight and you win hawks and minds, private industry companies did not do that much company on the ground opening fight . they were very, very noticeable. they would play rock music, but you know,

this was not, there was no subtlety to this. this was not a, even the military were more discreet than the prob, security companies. so they were, they were very, very public slap in the face for the average iraqi on a daily basis. it's a real problem for the military. so we fill the contractor presence in iraq in particular, but afghan too was becoming contrary to what the mission was for the armed forces. therefore their presence was more dangerous than it was help. ah, well, it's showing wrong when all 3 just don't hold any new world

yet to shape out the same because of the african and engagement. it was betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. ah, what do we do? go to war with the nato blow, has someone thought about it, but it makes it crystal clear. he sees the cranes potential nato membership is a direct threat to russians. national security the macro government, which is the country's muslim council, is francis. go to link to the community decision that's been slammed as political as canadian truck is rally again, his vaccine mandates the countries made enough to run them. a danger to society, please speak with one of the pros.