marine shows up in this country and we start asking yourself, why did they not water, what were they fighting for? nobody bothers down to write that contractors in a it is break and use this our right now here. when our teens, national, as our sister channel, our t e is officially banned by the german media regulator, they are on the program. we'll be discussing all of this live here in the auto studio. a spanish newspaper leak. what it claims is the u. s. nato responds to russia's proposed security guarantees. the document refuses to keep ukraine out of the alliance. that is something of course, moscow said it would not tolerate fury among french muslims as the macro and government moved to dissolve their faith council with islam becoming a key issue in the run up to the countries election. apologize to the peace loving,

patriotic canadians who are outside right now. just asking to be heard as canadian truckers rally against vaccine mandates, the country's media and authorities brand them a danger to society. in the program we speak to one of the protesters with or it is just after 4 pm on wednesday here at moscow. this is auntie international . your timing is perfect. but we start this out with the breaking news just for your sister channel. our tv has been banned from satellite broadcast by the german media regulator. it's online platforms. i've also been taken down the r t t e productions will appeal the decision in court. now the media authority describes r t d e productions was being responsible for broadcasting. although r t d e says that's incorrect productions department does create some content for

the r t t e channel. but the studio is right here in moscow are sees nikki ara now takes a look back at the turbo didn't start for this chunk. the r t d e launch date was an exciting day, but within hours it wasn't just reporting the news. it was the news with the channels live stream deleted from youtube, just a short time off. it went on and then just days later was a finding increasing interference. and the channel signal also was taken off. one of its 2 south lines off the juvenile authorities, claimed and didn't have the license needed to operate in the country. but the thing is it doesn't need one having obtained its broadcasting license in serbia, which just like germany is a signatory to the european convention of transferring to a television. the member states of the council of europe and the other states party to the european cultural convention, or reaffirming their commitment to the principles of the free flow of information

and ideas in the independence of broadcasters which constitute an indispensable basis for their broadcasting policy. most of which i know about the closure of bank accounts and so on. there's a large number of tactics they're using say r t d console operate. they're infringing on freedom of speech and that's very bad . unless he says no one is going to get them on the script, but it's true. we have every reason to believe that the german government is directly involved in what is happening. let me remind you that banking services for our journalists were stopped at an early stage. the german media regulator blocked the satellite signal despite the serbian license. we believe that this is an interference in the work of independent journalists. but the european regulator is clearly under a different impression. the license must be issued in germany and the application must also be filed here. first of all, this is a real irritant, and we will take care of it at the european regulator that not having any of it.

and swiftly initiating proceedings against the r t d e productions company, which is actually based in berlin because they seem to think it's the broad costa of r t d channel. but it's not on tv productions is not even a channel. it just creates some content for the channel, which as we already know is in moscow. and so our t d e lawyers have tried to highlight this very important detail. submitting evidence showing that r t d productions is not a broadcaster organizer of the channel. basically trying to make them see this apparent mix up to the german regulator decide that it does consider r t d e productions to be a broadcast up. and that's all the place of jurisdiction for r t d e's in germany, which means it lacks a german broadcasting license. r t d would need to cease it's broadcasting with immediate effect. and if it doesn't, then it could face further penalties. so what's the reaction from the german government? what it seems they've decided to stay out of the ralph and now,

although you don't have to dig too far to find the kind of tone being set by some in the ruling coalition, the media authority and youtube rightly pulled to plug on the pirates station of the enemies of democracy in lateral thinkers, this repeated attempt to circumvent european and national laws, underscores the danger of this self proclaimed tv broadcast. it requires action at all levels. so could this be the end of the road for the short live channel? well, archie, d. e is already preparing to fight on. we spoke with karen, can i sold a former foreign minister of austria? she sees the crackdown on r t t e as punishment for the networks early success. i think we all i have been observing at development that is more political than fact based i it's really hard to detect a really like a really a real logic behind to pull up ongoing punishment sanctioning all of our

t german, i believe is his mild situation that you do the fact that there is a certain demand for a different way of t. v. broadcasting to, to the fact that the websites are key german has already yielded some success in the german speaking audience. there is a certain aneice that has the reason being as so way showing that the german t v stations motive to blow those which are financed by public money by, by the audience. people simply half a deep distrust of so it's a want to really miss. and the whole debate is effect based argumentation. it has become from the german side, very politicized, and very, a harsh punitive approach towards our tv. and this technically is

with some kind of political chandler it's, it's not motivated by purely legal arguments. we spoke with our rock legend roacher walters, of course, at the co founder of pink floyd. now, according to him, he thinks that germany wants to block alternative viewpoints. ultimately, those that are challenging the western mainstream narratives they want to create and maintain a monopoly of media that only expresses the accepted western narrative that comes down to them to those major outlets from the ruling class in western society. and then when in western countries, they, russia today actually provides an alternative view to the view that is given by certainly every single american tv network. you cannot

washer network tv in the united states because it's all nonsense. every single minute. i don't care if it's fox news or m. s. mbc. it's all made up nonsense. so russia today which you can watch in the united states and which i do watch russia today to gives every appearance of being much more direct and truthful. a reality of i lied someone's globe, dan folks, years around us, mbc or any of the other setting. net networks has usa. all the bbc or i, tv, or channel for any of the cage stations. mila would have, they would like to shut down, shut down any voice that doesn't necessarily tow the line,

and agree with big brother on every single issue. down to the last cross t and doughty dian, full stop. this is so, or, well, in this is 1984 come to life. they're looking in a mirror when that when they accuse r, t a being a dissemination of this information, particularly now with all this nonsense about you, great, looking in america, that's exactly what they are. all right. 10 parts down here at moscow. the full text of the confidential us nato responds to russia. security concerns has of course, be leaked. the purported document was published by the spanish newspaper l piece. earlier in the studio, my colleagues neil harvey and saskia tele discussed the contents. over the past few weeks, we've seen at the highest diplomatic levels, riley's of accusations of verbal sparring,

and that's just what's been happening and public. so we can only imagine what's going on behind closed doors. but now a fresh document leak has offered us a glimpse into what is indeed happening behind those doors. and it's really showed that moscow in washington, alongside nato, a very, very far from reaching any kind of consensus with regards to ukraine, issue and deed, well beyond move. not that does seem to be almost a blind unwillingness from the military alliance to recognize any of russia security concerns. now the spanish language paper open hasn't managed to get it hands on the nato and us response to russia. security proposals now will remember those proposals. they were sent back in december, they fin triggered a flurry of diplomatic talks and calls, and essentially they requested legal guarantees, restricting for the nato expansion, specifically with regards to ukraine. the document that we're thing now though, reveals a very blunt response from washington and brussels. and it's in all states should

respect the right of other states to choose or change security arrangements and to decide their own future and foreign policy free from outside interference. in this slide, we reaffirm our commitment to nato's open door policy under article 10 of the washington treaty. we have of course, requested comment from both nato and the us state department. but if we take just this document, it seems that it is an open shot case. them, they will not compromise. that is despite vladimir putin warning. but this is a very reckless disregard of russia's concerns. it's not well for help, because do people realize that this could potentially set all nations involved down a very dangerous path of no return postage discussion. when you much listen carefully to us, i say, in ukraine's own doctor, i know documents. it is written that they plan to return crimea, including by military means that it's not what they say publicly. you imagine for yourself that ukraine and nate members will begin military operations in crimea.

what do we do? go to war with the nato block? has anyone thought about that? so the situation is it seems to me both sides refusing to budge and let him put in, said it there in a slightly different context. but what do we do? what's versus reaction? been to this moscow house already sent, follow up questions to this document. so clearly that there is a desire for continued a dialogue. but most cas position on this has been consistent from the beginning. it recognizes, of course, that every single country has the right to determine its own policy and assure its own security that is not what's being disputed. here. the issue is when countries choices have ramifications beyond its borders and actually pose a very real physical threat to someone else. and let's just be clear. a potential natal launchpad located in ukraine is just a couple of minutes miss all away from, from russia. so it's essentially, i think, this fear that really underlies russia's concerns, even though you know shows abortion is just ignoring our concerns,

the u. s. and need to refer to the rights of states to freely choose how to insure the security. but it's not just about giving someone this right. after all, this is only one parts of the well known formula for the indivisibility of security . the 2nd integral part says that one should not allow the strengthening of any one security at the expense of the security of other states. so the russian leaders asking, why must we sacrifice our security that someone else can feel safe? not said it would be remiss if i didn't point out that the document has some encouraging moments. i'm talking about reestablish communication long military channels, reinstating the nature office here in moscow discussing arms control. so reducing missile deployment to ukraine. but if we get to the bottom of it, let's be blown. according to this document, the west responds to ne, existential concern of russia, as we have here. but we don't care enough to do anything. and this is in fact case clothes, we're not gonna discuss it further. but here's a list of much smaller things that we feel that we can give you to project an image

that we are listening and being co operative but do nothing in any way to address your fundamental concerns. and with that kind of inflexible rhetoric combined, of course, with this ongoing footage of millions of dollars worth of weapons being sent to kiev. it's very difficult even with the best of intentions to see where to move from now. so i had, let's learn a little bit more here on the program, on our, to this patrick huntington, the executive editor of the new website, 21st century wide dot com. great website. appreciate the work that patrick, what's your view? now this latest leaked document from the us and nato. you, i mean, do you see it as an outright rejection of russia a bond, or is perhaps there a little bit of wiggle room involved? well, it's so, you know, they're not getting a written guarantee. this is what moscow once about nato's advancement eastward, but you know, the likelihood of the ukraine's entry into nato. it's, it's not practically possible at this moment. and it's unlikely to really qualify

for entry into the alliance for many years if not decades. because it requires a consensus among nato member states, which is currently impossible as it stands to day, but on a positive side and they're passing papers back and forth. ah, there's dialogue, this is generally positive. so but, but again, the long term concerns of moscow are, are pretty clear and you know, this is going to have to be resolved in some way. eventually, patrick, as he say, that's perhaps a bit of a bit of positivity here. a bit of optimism when you talk about what the size involved, essentially they are agreeing to put these papers back and forth and have a discussion between each other. but maybe i'm being too optimistic here, but in one possible concession. the document says the u. s. might be willing to strike a deal with russia on miss out deployments in europe. do you think we could read something to that is, is that a good sign? well, to strategic arms control issue, that's very positive actually. um, well,

this is something that russia wants to nail down and has done for quite some time, especially since united states has kind of withdrawn from most of the major missile arrangements that were previously coke. cold war arrangements effectively, but, so this is generally good. however, you know what the u. s wants to achieve within those deals is another story altogether. again, this could last a long time if they are to really negotiate and will most likely include other countries. they want to package this in as a broader international agreement as well. but, you know, the, the main problem here is nato in the u. s. what they've tried here is very clever. the, you know, they want to get power influence over russia's military movement inside of its own borders. that's not going to happen. so they've already played that card. and i think that's sort of pushed the situation to where we are in terms of negotiations . but you know, the west, the credibility is waning, just merely on the basis of the hysteria,

of talking up this imminent invasion over the last 2 months. or as you know, the idea of ukraine potentially joining nato is being floated really since. what going back to 2008, that was a, with a conversation i had recently with karen, can i still be a former foreign minister of austria? what, what do you think? let me ask you this, patrick, because, what do you think nato's true intentions are with ukraine? if it's agreed upon, let's say, in a speculative manner that ukraine is never going to join nato. that then, what is the whole point of all of this that's happening right now. you alluded to it just a moment ago. well, you know, the, the real loser here is actually the ukraine, if you really look at it and the west are guilty of making totally hysterical, false claims from foreign ministry. pulp it to the mainstream media, inventing intelligence that russia is going to invade eminently. and this is basically a geopolitical roofs and it's been completely unnecessary. it's put the world on war footing, but it's actually cost ukrainians dearly already in terms of economic fall out. and one could argue that this dis, geopolitical ruse,

as it were spearheaded by the us by britain and nato bureaucrats in toe has already damaged ukraine economically to the equivalent of the se, punitive economic sanctions would. so, you know, they, they've already created a negative situation with regards to ukraine, so i don't know if that's actually going to bode well for the nato conversation long term. and i think that's still yet to be no. well, as you say, i mean, it's interesting. you said just a moment ago what were with essentially the ukranian president lensky. he came out asking for com. he was telling the us, and it's clear, the u. k. media stop it. you're making the situation worse. you're writing up, this war cries, and as you said, patrick a moment ago, the economic facts of that on ukraine has been very, very bad. no one wants to invade the country about say, invest in a country, you've got all these other countries saying that is going to be some sort of invasion that i wanted to ask you. so you've got all these different parties involved. nato members, america rusher. of course you england,

boris johnson with all his party gates scandal. he's getting very involved these days. who do you think stands to benefit from the current escalation in ukraine? patrick, while the main beneficiary has to be nato and has to be nato and the nato has been struggling for relevance in recent years. and that's one of the reasons why they're very keen to sort of ramp up a crisis. not only that, you know, the, if nato is becoming irrelevant, that's a major concern for washington. because nato is always served as the sort of glove in which washington can insert its hand into european mil, military furs, but also broader broadly. your asian affairs, look at afghan, a stand as as an example. so you know, if, if europe transitions to a european defense or defense union as it has been doing for the last 10 to 15 years, gradually, most recently with the pasco agreement, if nato is on the rocks, then basically that cuts washington more or less out of sort of direct influence

and direct really power over the sort of the geopolitical lines of europe and more broadly, eurasia as well. so i say nato is the beneficiary of this crisis and washington and in britain as well, where washington goes, britain is their side by side. you can absolutely be sure about patrick getting send the executive editor of the news website. 21st century wyatt dot com. the great website. appreciate your work that patrick and thanks for joining us. thank you. let's get back to our top story for you right now. here on our t international. good to have you with us, by the way. our sister channel r t d e has been banned from satellite broadcast by the german media regulator and its online platforms have been taken down. r t d e productions will appeal the decision in court. now the media authority describes r t d e productions is being responsible for broadcasting. although our t v says that's not correct. the productions department does create some content

for the t t e channel, but the studio is right here in moscow. well, let's learn more right now the deputy editor in chief of artsy, international and belkin and joining us here on our tea, great to see stories under such a dark and gloomy news. it is breaking news today here on the program. what have you heard now from the german media regulator? how do they explain that decision? so their explanations are pretty absurd. they are saying that our tv productions, which is an entirely independent production company, is actually the tv channel of that broadcasts from germany. you know, part of their part of their kind of justifications. you know, they're talking about the channel broadcasting from a, for example, studios in adler's top, which is a part of berlin, where the studios are still under production. and there's generally absolutely no broadcasting happening from berlin. at o r t d e, the tv channel is oh broadcasting right here from moscow in, in fact,

there studios are essentially next door to where we're sitting here. and we were here all launching the channel mid december. yet nevertheless, the regulator is asking the production company to start broadcasting, which they are not even doing, and to do it not just on television, but to do it on the all the online platforms, apps, etc, etc, which again, the production has absolutely no control over all of this is centered right here in moscow and the tv broadcasting as well, is done from here via a license that was obtained with absolutely all cording european rules and regulations, according to the european convention on transferred to your television. and we are free to broadcast via that license in 30 plus territory across europe for the r t t e was, was launch, was it back in december? it was, it was launched back in december right before the new year. it was immediately under fire,

essentially from certain authorities and regulators in germany. do you think it's hard to ask this, but do you think they were afraid of something that we do here at our team? i mean, it definitely seems that there is quite a lot of apprehension about a different voice, like r t or it's being present there, you know, and they're under fire, not just under it from authorities. in, in germany, the youtube channel was taken down within hours of the, of the beginning of the broadcast. that is obviously an american company. and then indeed there was pressure being put on an independent, independent satellite operator. util sat to take us to, to stop broadcasting our feed as well. so it really is a multi pronged attack and in fact, we have heard all the various problems have been sort of we've been forced to reckon with for the last few years that we've tried to start to, you know, to, to start our work our broadcasting in germany, and i've got a number of questions for you, but i would ask you just straight off the bat,

what do you, what is the, what are you planning to do now in the wake of this? so, because again, this absolutely silly claim is made against the productions from the production company. we, for now, as the channel are, you know, are not getting to, you know, which didn't really respond to the, to the regulator because they did not address us. but our tv production is going to contest the judgement in court. they have about 4 weeks to do so in. and i'm just having a look at what one of the comments that you've made regarding this, you say quote, we will not be removing our feeds or channels voluntarily and encourage all platforms not to be bullied by the media. watchdogs, illegitimate demands that. does it seem like bullying? absolutely, and we've seen those done not just with regards to the broadcasting, but various productions have had all of their various partners, bullied, including banking, banking, relationships,

other operational relationships for or for the last number of years. and we believe that, you know, the rtp production position is entirely not just legal and in accordance with all the rules and regulations, but is beyond substantiated. and that we're hoping that the courts are going to see that and side with them. likewise, our t v, the channels position is entirely legitimate within germany and other european markets. and we will be defending that position and hope that the platforms, online broadcast, etc, we'll side, we'll see it. just going to ask you just quickly freedom of the precedent and all this kind of thing. i what about germany being a beacon of democracy in holding up the beacon of democracy in europe? it's, well, that's exactly, that's what we've been hearing from them. the, you know, from the entire time, from them, from other countries as well. you know, as i'm sure you're aware of, she has had

a number of challenges presented to us in various areas where we were, we operate what we broadcast u. k. france. you know, our journalist being attacked repeatedly and, you know, not allowed to attend briefings, things like that. germany, of course, the level of resistance there is definitely unprecedented even for us. and we're used to working and challenging situations. and yet it is absolutely very hypocritical. and we think that our audience is see that, and we think that our audience is in germany and our audience is around the world. see that hypocrisy and you know, that's actually why they come to us because that is what our key does as a channel, which is highlight these kinds of double standards. well, it's certainly, you know, one of one of the siblings of under the asi, kind of be a certainly being targeted here. searching in the cross jasmine as you said, all to you can, you could also u. k. all wrong. saw the arabic asi, spanish, or english, of course. you. i mean, do you think audi, germany, as i understand r, c, d, e, i should say, ought to what we was when it 1st launched only

a few months ago. it was getting a good reception among the viewers in germany, but it seems your forty's didn't like that. i think that is precisely the issue because the audiences have been very responsive, you know, when launched the german language online operation back in 2014. and the audience has been very perceptive. you know, they turn to us to stories that are not covered by other news media, and that's why they like in the appreciate us. and for years we have been getting emails, phone calls, social media messages saying, when are you going to finally have a broadcast channel in the german language? and when we did, they indeed were very pleased with that very strong positive feedback from them. and i think that is what worries the, the authorities in germany because they would like to not have any challenge to, to their own, to their monopoly on the media narrative. what about, what about those? you know, it's always when the politicians play games. we all get we'll, it's

a little people like me, you know, playing the price. i mean, is it what about those in germany who still want to watch on tv? is there any way for them to watch it now again, for now, there is, we are staying on the air and online in our apps. well, we have at least 4. we will not. yes, actually. well, the tv productions has a 4 weeks to challenge the decision. what exactly will be done by the german authorities? after that, we do not yet know how it will work. on technical side, we of course will be fighting this till the end r t d production will be fighting the challenge that was presented to them by a mob the german regular to today. if any is going to be presented to the actual broadcast of which is our team here in moscow, we will be doing so as well. and we will be looking to all the legal recourse available to us to continue providing our german speaking audiences. the wonderful contents that we have been doing for years for other channels,

while not just one of the content but wonderful people to. i mean, i've been meeting that the job and presenting here and job and colleagues now who have been working here in moscow and a lovely people and they just, they just want to get the word out there. and, and the problem is these days, i know when you, when you question the mainstream narrative, you can get in trouble or you, are you surprised by any of this? this response is official response to on t v. again, i think we are, ah, we were a little bit used to it again, we've had, you know, we haven't to force as foreign agents in the united states back in 2017. we have had all kinds of various challenges with r t k. but, you know, with attacks in france as well as or against our journalist, i think were bit surprised by just the viciousness and the scale. the termination of the german authorities to shut us out of the german speaking media environment. and again, going so far as to try to shut down broadcasting from a studio that does not exist. you know, where, as you know, as we said,

our german colleagues are sitting right here next door to international r t. r to span of studios right here in moscow. where do you, what do you, what do you see this going? and we really are confident in the legitimacy of 1st of all our license for broadcasting, as well as the complete legitimacy of the our tv productions as an independent production organization. and so we are very hopeful that the german courts will see it that way as well. because we have all the legal foundations to challenge today's really as he well know and the main mantra of all of us here doughty in our international and all of our sister channels. it's simply a question more. and that's exactly what we tried to do here. i see when you question the mainstream narrative, there are going to be some that don't like it. at the end of the day, you see this playing out in the legal courts, but do you think who's going to be victorious at the end of it? all? i don't want to jinx anything again. i believe that the rules.