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ah, bring you the latest every out the day. this is not no fun. everyone had with a with name after events. here we are going undergrad after a battle u. k. prime minister for us, johnson tries to save his premier ship amidst a visit to ukraine, coming up in the show as boris johnson refuses to resign and continues to fight for his political life. of the findings of number 10,
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failures of leadership and judgment. we ask why millions of afghans are fighting for their actual lives and civilians, reportedly selling that children and their organs in order to feed themselves just like millions in aid being pledged by the u. k in its allies. and as syria successfully intercept u. k. u. s. a you nation armed israeli air strikes on one of the oldest cities in the world this week, damascus. why is israeli spyware apparently targeting human rights watch? we speak to the h r w. human rights investigator allegedly attacked by pegasus. all of them all coming up in today's going underground. but 1st, while circled mainstream media here focuses on a mysterious imminent russian invasion of ukraine and the n. devoris johnson. in recent days, the u. k. government pledged an extra $97000000.00 pounds and aid to one of the world's worst humanitarian crises. afghanistan with over 22000000. threatened with starvation and reports of children and organs being sold in exchange for food. what now for the country? the defeated britain, the usa, had such a high cost. joining me from afghanistan's capital cobble is the spokesperson for
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you and hcr afghanistan. peter kessler. thank you so much. sure, peter, for coming on. i mean, the foreign secretary here says the u. k continues to provide vital humanitarian assistance and have canister on supporting of a 2700000 afghans with life saving aid biden administration working to keep humanity in assistance flowing to afghanistan at all. us funds are directed to closely vetted, local and international partners. i mean, surely the, the aid is coming through from other countries that, of course, sir arguably destroyed the country up to 21. well, let us look at the vast needs in this country. afghanistan, a country of some 42000000 people. some 24000000 are in need of humanitarian assistance. right now, you know, with our partner agencies, we're aiming, we've prioritized to hit some 22000000 people with assistance this year. and we believe that this $22000000.00 figure is achievable if the humanitarian pipeline
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donor pipeline can be kept filled. and that's not just a responsibility for the u. k. it's a responsibility for all countries that have a stake in the situation here. because of course, afghanistan is in the location, it is in the middle of a central asia with borders on many of the post soviet states as well as of course south asia. and of course, the west asia region. yeah, i'll get to the geopolitical partners that really are, is also working with i what would you say to the washington? i am if that is blocked $440000000.00 to that's crystelina, george eva. now the back of international settlements. general manager augustine cost, and apparently they've, they've withheld $700000000.00. obviously biden is freezing all assets in the usa, amounting to billions. what would you say to those people about conditions on the
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ground and cobble that you're seeing right there, that might persuade them to release funds? well, i think it's important for governments and organizations around the world to think about the humanitarian needs in afghanistan to look at how funds can be directed towards the, the women, the children, the men, anyone in need here. because in the half the country are more than half the country is in need, the middle class is seen, of course their incomes white out there is just, we know more development projects underway right now because of the different sanctions and freezing activities. the, the international economic sector. you know, for example, the airport is, is virtually operating in a shadow of its former capacity. because of course, most international flights have, have whole to decide from a couple small african airlines. the import export sector, of course,
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is also greatly affected by the financial liquidity crisis. so you know where there are afghan monies overseas, i think is the hold upon the international institutions. as the secretary general of the un himself said, it's important for parties to address a stand liquidity crisis to ensure that we're not penalizing to women and children. because right now they are really living by a thread. i mean 90 percent of the wealth heroin comes from afghanistan. i went up to that level of to the occupation, so not sure what the import export market arguably and as regards development, surely wrong there. i mean, china has invested millions of dollars in afghanistan, and the neighbors focused on iran, russia, china, they know, investing in afghanistan right now. well, we certainly don't see,
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you don't see on the streets a lot of activity. i don't know what's happening in other areas where some of these governments you, you've mentioned, might be investing in mines or other other ventures it could be underway. and i hope they'll start to, to try that from the rooftops. i know that i gave them that shipped out several 1000 and several multiple up to 2000 tons of pine nuts. have been air lifted out to, for example, china. so afghanistan is trying to open up its trade routes. i believe the afghan authorities have also been involved in discussions with their neighbors about reopening some of the, the long delayed pipeline electrical power and, and where road projects. so the authorities here have a plan. they've developed and modest 3 month budget of $7500000000.00 to, to keep the country going. and that was just released 2 weeks ago. so they're making
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plans based on the modest income that they have as a country. but for a country with the enormous needs and the population of some 42000000, almost people, it requires much, much more. and so whatever china russia and the broader international community can contribute to ensure that development projects resume. i mean, we're talking about a nation where many communities don't have access to clean water, where millions of people live in sub standard shelter, where, where children, girls and boys don't have schools. it's a country that seen a massive conflict for the last 20 years. there are many areas that my colleagues are now able to visit, that we weren't able to visit for, for, you know, a decade or more. so it's really astonishing what the taliban have said. they're willing to open up the security and the deliberate either permitting our a work is to have, in terms of reaching long out of reach areas,
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especially in the east of the country. so there's a lot of positivity, but we need the resources to get into these areas. but what do you think when the i m f, washington i m f says that it's engagement with afghanistan will remain suspended until there is clarity within the international community. on the recognition of the government led by the taliban, that you're saying is acting in some ways to inspire positivity. well, you know, i'm working from the humanitarian perspective here. where together with our partners we have roughly a 4 point. well, roughly a $4.00 humanitarian plan for experienced. and plus, of course, another technical proposal underway amounting to some $3000000000.00. so the un and is partners, including in the end yos, have put together finally, cost plan valued at some $8000000000.00 for afghanistan this year. this can be
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funded by the international community, because if not, the real danger is that many, many thousands of people could leave the country due to starvation persecution. and of course, just a lack of any a future here. so people need to begin to invest in afghanistan now, and i'll let the, the broader financial institutions decide about their goals, but i'm focused on the humanitarian need. here julian assigns the weak helix found are imprisoned. here in britain said the whole afghanistan war was a recycling operation for trillions of dollars into a wall street in the military. industrial complex, as joe biden spent said, there was 2 trillion dollars. britain spent $30000000.00 repeatedly on this. i mean, you see evidence of say, organ harvesting, which is hearing on british screens right now. children's organs being sold. or you
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see evidence of that because some might say, there are certain elite in nato nations who wish the buyer would never withdrawn the occupation troops of afghanistan. well, in terms of these reports of, of people selling origins. this is, this is sadly a negative coping mechanism. that arises not just in afghanistan, but in many impoverished communities in countries throughout the world. and what we're seeing in afghanistan now is the reality of individuals, particularly women, apparently, according to media reports selling their organs. and of course families desperate for children couples 2 can have children offering to buy children from those families in afghanistan that have mows, they can feed people who need income. and, and this again is another negative coping mechanism. just as the scene of course
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people victimized for so many decades by the smuggling networks that are so happy to pray on desperate communities and individuals here in afghanistan, convincing man that perhaps for a few 100 euros they can make their way into western europe. which of course, over many months, becomes multiple thousands of euros. and often during that time they are victimized abused in and often even in slaves in situations as they approach countries where they might seek asylum. so this is a situation where negative coping mechanisms are already present. and of course, the danger of people resorting to migrating to neighboring states and participating in, in survival, sex and, and the prostitution market is really a real one. and that's why the disintegration of afghanistan,
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society must be avoided through a robust humanitarian approach to the countries needs. i mean, do you think these donor countries are appealing to realize that if they don't give the money, they will just end up with more refugees here. and presumably you agree. i know you're criticizing the traffickers, but obviously the traffic is merely facilitating a demand. and we know about women's rights under the taliban. we know about them. apparently, extrajudicial killing since the withdrawal. surely, given there's no fight against that enough can, is done for human rights to speak, or they're all eligible to come to europe and seek asylum where you and hcr is advocating that that countries a, the world not send people back to afghanistan at this time. the situation is just too unsteady, but as well it's, it's not just for western europe. of course it's for the central european, the central iran has taken the most,
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obviously millions of refugees of pakistan and iran. we've been very, very generous, but yet who needs support and their refugee hosting communities? it's also for, of course, russia in the central asian states that know the danger the instability in afghanistan can have that they can step in and help to address the financial needs to surely a government that can feel the 100000 soldiers on the border of your crane can also field humanitarian and you think it's a good time for us or, and trying to step up and not just leave it to nato countries as usual. well, russia, china have both been supportive of humanitarian operations around the world in the past rushes, emma con, has been a big player and a big supporter in a number of un operations. and so together with china, which has of course, boundless capacity in many areas and is neighboring directly neighboring
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afghanistan, they are already supporting some of our work. and china can, of course, certainly do more, especially during this of the big season when we need to think of solitary solidarity in and, and the, the humana terry needs on the ground here. so we do hope that all countries will step in australia, of course, in other states, in the americas, north america, usa, canada, and all those institutions. because indeed, afghanistan needs support. and all the states that you've mentioned, of course, are in a position to do something. ok, they all say they are helping a course, but be the guess the thank you. thank you. after the break, we investigate ways railey spyware is allegedly targeting human rights watch in lebanon over which you can u. s. a. you nation armed warplanes flew to airily bombard, damascus this week in what the syrian government claims is. renewed, nater pushed us about isis and al qaeda. all this more coming up about to have
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going on the ground. and this is all smart city, is a city that using technology to make people's life easier to happier, collecting a lot of data to try to improve the way things are in theory, these big organizations that are on the album aiding and pulling all that data together they're not looking at using individual necessarily people's data being collected or so much data that there's a real possibility of privacy violation. and that's something most of us wouldn't want to wells transparent, but we must live with permanent surveillance with
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ah, welcome back. the angio human rights watch, like amnesty international, has continued in the past few days to slam u. k. u s. armed israel for its force demolitions of palestinian homes in jerusalem . now h, i w's crisis, and coffee director, and may rude claims. israeli spyware is targeted her when she happened to be investigating one of the largest nuclear explosions. since the us drop the circled
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mother of all bombs on afghanistan, 2017. lucky joins me now from lebanon's capital. thank you so much love for coming on before we get to leanna. so group more generally, and we have covered the story, obviously in relation to jamal shoji killed in turkey hub. how will you targeted by this spyware? so i learned in laying around her after receiving an earthy a not i, when that targeted i software is equal and honest. and last year i mean, you say state sponsored, obviously these really government don't say that there anything to do with this. and obviously human rights, which it has been very critical over is really policies either. so i understand told you they are not aware of any active customer using its technology against the human rights watch self member. but they have opened an initial assessment and your
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allegations that unfortunately isn't the nature of my work flow. and because i'm very sensitive files is very difficult for me to be able to determine which country which high and responsible for me. at the time that the attack took place. i was working quite intently on an investigation with the company or the last from august or 2020 and i was just one of the many files i so unfortunately, you know, the digital fingerprint a washington overseas, but it is so no want to blacklist and can you understand why it see, you shall have julio has been telling is really tv. it's very hypocritical of the united states. given that the usa is selling weapons to kill the bowl in every country that is bought pegasus by where you will, edge was put them to your mobile phone. i'm not saying it is right here. we are
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calling for their b and regulations intelligence technologies, a spyware. i use them to go after 2 nights, and there's like we are trying to choose not their violations. yes, this is anna. so, of course, denies any link to the killing of the washington post journalist tomorrow. show g, of course, one could say the edward snowden revealed to the will the u. s. intelligence with g c. h q here in britain is bugging everyone's. well, well, phony had to take refuge in moscow. so what difference is it, i mean, your phone was probably bugged under that mess, surveillance system exposed by snowden. anyway, i'm reality is that we do see that a number of countries, a knology and on our way. and then not only under my,
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under my ability to do their job. and we know people are in our ability to treat that with me. and the reality is that he had real world consequences. i mean, you mentioned a g, a cases where just happened in an entirely by spyware. so we have, i mean, i mean obviously i'm presuming this has nothing to do with the lebanese and internal security forces, information division and the reporting that they have dismantled more than 15 separate israeli espionage networks. i mean, you don't think this is the israeli state. this is a client of anna, so group that good will be no israel at all. i have no way of controlling whether it is really government or not a, a
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responsible. i don't really know what information the access to just from my and i have no knowledge of how to energy and whether that might be hard to me on my, you know, community or any of my contacts. and obviously, you're saying definitely some of the people, human rights watch, tries to help, could have been put in danger, because of this spyware, on your phone. so the phone i started in was my personal device. so this was not a phone that with the same time, you know, the way it works is we know that they can use the device so they can access the camera and access to my. so it's possible that the time when i was under surveillance, that they were, you know, monitoring my conversations and what had access to all about. i mean the human rights which is heavily critical of the israeli government. and
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it's a group. what we see is mandated by the israeli government, can you know, understand these really government might want to retaliate against your, the, and, you know, you work for a, for there, right? yes. a my, we're in the last, when you were a and my, she just us, you also because because you hear you, you know, war blaine's, i've been flying this week across lebanese, this place to bomb, damascus. what is the human rights view? watch is view of what's happening this week. so i honestly, i as a result of, you know, airstrikes or any other ground strikes or another
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competence. and unfortunately, you know, in the context of the steering conflict, we have documented by nation, by not just a government and residents in the context of that. and then also bye, this is a guy who had no way to a contract that strikes and, but no, i mean, this used to be happening every other week, the bombing of syria by war planes on, by britain and the united states. i do support back to spy with human rights watches them on the u. s. drop in. so prosecution of judy in assange who helped edward snowden escape off to he revealed to the world that compared to and so group arguably that the united states has the biggest,
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less surveillance operation in the world, the world of well phones. so, you know, again our, our and our concerns with knology, nominated q and a so as to why many actors in this industry as the regulation. and this is, i mean, right? it is ok for starting. we're trying to do their job. we're trying to find my on place. so the bottom line is that we want them to ensure that company, non profit, right? and they have a way that is under my rights. and what have you done with that phone and what do you advise other people to do if they suspect that their phone has been targeted by the software? i mean, i don't know how you 1st realized something was wrong with your personal mobile
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phone. yeah, i mean, i know already, but you know, on that i am now i am just really amount of information i unfortunately with knowing that you can do to prevent them because you know, the amount that i, where i was doing a to limit what that is there and could you, i mean, now give me, here in britain petitions there in bay root elected politicians from the political body, or a can see the terrorists. do you think they're all being bugged by forces allied to, to name to water, israel. so there was a fire for many stories, i'm investigation over the summer. there was a list of about $300.00 numbers that were to be on our list and so on. and other numbers there were high rating.
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so it is the case that we see that, you know, a spyware. no one has mean. now you don't have the human rights watch anything to fight the spyware. what is human rights watch going to do all around the world if it's targets, if it's employees are targeted by this kind of software and you are using sensitive information, sometimes of victims, of alleged war crimes and so forth. so basically, i mean there was no indication that anybody else on our team or within the organization was a number of other staff we might meet with. and again, i mean, the reality is that there is no way to prevent an ass like really, i mean, of course we do take a full range digital security precautions in a way that we can again,
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we say share. the bottom line is that we can do our work safely and to the community that we have for me. and i trust, find them better, ask you about 11 am because all around the world media report to saying it's a, it's a failed state. how is it this winter? i mean, unfortunately, the situation and i was just continuing to tear it. you know, we are suffering from prolonged electricity. i can tell you, i, my so on the receipt is about one to 2 hours of our day. the currency has been depleted, greater than 90 and the copy, but it isn't in oil coming to lebanon to help our systems are there. there was a diesel shipment that came in over the summer, but i mean, this is not by any you know, sufficient. that's the address, the needs of the population, and that the vast majority population now are leaving the grid and relying on
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generators for heat and for or electricity. and it to cost for most of the population even be able to afford it. so just because their home or the lifetime of your house is more than what you know and ask for a month. yeah. and the nato countries are trying to intercept those iranian oil vessels. i should say. what does this mean for the cobra response in lebanon? a brain with a number of doctors and nurses with because their salaries are not there. so we're seeing that there are inadequate bye for medical care to respond to me at the hospital bill that with and the bottom line is you know, people are looking to be at the government. it has not met. and it's not that any.
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yeah, i should say obviously the government is a sanctions or members of the government like you thank you so much and you that's over the show will be back on saturday when we cover the b gene winter olympics boycotted by several major nations for what they claim the human rights abuses in the people's republic until then keep in touch by all our social media and let us know if you think major nations should send more humanitarian aid to countries have arguably help to destroy. for imac kaiser with more of my guy to financial survival. this is a hedge fund, is a device used by professional scale you asked to earn money? that's right. these hedge funds are completely not accountable, and we're just adding more, more to them totally. the stabilizing global economy,
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