essential for a stable and functioning society. today. if you do not follow in propagate liberal pie fees, you are a use of misinformation and should be banned from polite society. shut up or else mm. with every turn around that traffic circle. with the influx of contractors went largely, uncontrolled by yosemite was it was disorganized non purpose. it just was too much

going on in war zones. and there was no coordination really, between the companies a, the problem was that we had all of these different private military companies. running around we'd, we'd outsourced too quickly. they weren't coordinated both in contract terms, but also an on the ground operational terms. so what is your answer to a problem of outsourcing? outsource more, we outsourced it to a private military company to coordinate the seem to be ideal for you as company was a huge contract. it was half a $1000000.00 or just under that and was just soon the one of the large, big american companies would win it, but it didn't work out that way. oh, paneled him spies that hit the headline 2 years ago during the army to africa for involving his old company sand line. but general spies and now is developed

a thriving business in private security. and he recently won that monk c 1000000 pound contract. well tim spices with me now. tim. good morning. what's your summary of the situation in terms of chaos or lauren older? i wouldn't advise people to go that if the measures in put in place for their protection asana. mm. is the contract in iraq was to have received communication and coordination for all of the private security companies from the ground with, in effect. it meant that they were the general in charge of all of the private contracts. at that point, the u. s. military was the largest military presence in iraq, but if you added together, all of the private military contractors spice was effectively in charge of the 2nd largest, unforeseen from spicer

is a fairly well known figure. and british political and media circles. mm hm. but at the time of the award of the contract for iraq, it was awarded by a logistics contracting sell in virginia. not in iraq by a group of, you know, essentially acquisition bureaucrats who had no experience with the private military industry. no knowledge of the different players and referred to him as that british guy from, with

in the world of private security contracted when they heard that this company called aegis won this contract. and that the people that were working for him were sell africans and not america, there was, there was furious when you're applying for these contracts. your bid on, you know, will include you and your businesses personal history. it doesn't say, you know, by the way, we were involved in this international controversy that almost caused a foreign minister. his job be just presence in iraq was relatively stand for you have one video which was posted on youtube for each is contract. i who is foreign a gun while playing rock music with

no legal actions. what type of what do your weapons in this battle in iraq? for me it's, it's the ability to coordinate and, and continue to help the reconstruction effort. ah, very rapidly, he just became a huge company and it made tim spy said extremely healthy. non majority of americans now think it was a mistake to go to war in iraq. early in the iraq war, the president stood before a banner that said, mission accomplished 3 and a half years later, the debate is back over why the u. s. as in iraq, in the 1st place, public support for the war is falling. more americans want the troops to come home

in a breach ceremony on a base on the edge of baghdad, the united states took down the flag of its command here to mark the end of the military mission. the u. s. money stocks in to be pulled out of the rocky field operations and the industry had to go to a very complicated reset. this companies had to realize that they weren't gonna get that level of money again. i'm so they had to offer different package of deals with that meant they would have to hire cheapest soldiers lou,

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i o n mm i'll work undertaken by egypt is carried out to highest standards of professional competence and integrity. our track record is extensive and our highly trained men, women are dedicated to support the mission and at hand with outstanding performance . when we 1st started into theater, we were briefed on peruvian and colombian guards, and the natural question you ask is, so what do you pay for these folks? and i don't at the time and i'm playing off memory cells, but i'm pretty good at that was about $1000.00 to $1200.00 and then oh, i don't know. 6 months, a year ago, it became a garden guards at about $800.00

a month. and we'd ask the question of security companies because of their lowest price, technically acceptable rush to the bottom is what some call it. white wire gardens now versus provings. and colombians, i said we don't have a chance to get the award unless we use a guidance because they're $2.00 to $400.00 less. and now on this most recent trip, the, the company that is winning all the awards that had this, i was 1st i'd heard of, well, well we've got a good strategy. we're using sierra leonean. so you asked the question so, so what are we paying forms? but $250.00 a month. wow. you know, i, i guess rhetorically, i don't expect an answer and, you know, can we go a lower? can we find someone? it's like, we'll do it for boarding room. you know, that has such a terrible country that maybe they'll just go out of the country and be a free security guard. i mean, that's pretty inexpensive. i say that it sounds facetious, but it's real. know you get what you pay for.

mm. me. the original goal was not to bring soldiers or soldiers from the poorest countries on earth, but the u. s. meeting system requires that you pick the lowest bidder. so the became the status quo and iraq to have multiple layers of foreigners, iraqi people, for where they came from and who they fought for. so some of that would be with the colombian marines, and it's a to be with range and on the you again, as you know, came out of the, again, an army of the challenges that i was with when i spent a month and black water from pinochet's private guard, and some of these countries are known for extremely brutal wars,

whether it's columbia severally own. and there's not a lot of discussion about where did your life so long as you are in the army and you meet certain criteria. and sometimes you don't have to be in the army to meet this criteria. so the u. s. system, and of course, any business is going to put out a specification. if you can, mass has specification and your cost is lower than you in the job. the chad jagger john issue agenda. from my hash ah name,

let me just look forward to recruiting kelly retorted cor, massage issue. that sounds good. and to learn that research, she gave to the family, you know, that he asked him to you me here to tell him that i thought i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except where such order is at conflict with the 1st law. show your identification, we should be very careful about artificial intelligence. at that point obviously is

too great truck rather than fear i would like to take on various jobs with artificial intelligence. real, somebody with a robot must protect its own existence with with news. so you cut your costs, you make more profit, you get the soldier that you want, but you also majorly dilute the professionalism and the effectiveness of those. so

a company is self interest is different than national self interest. companies are profit maximizes what they do. that's natural, except here we're not creating toys. we're producing things that can result in war with no more. what do you do if you have somebody from the philippines working for american private, all try company in afghanistan, who tell somebody what jurisdiction does that person fall under? we don't know international law such that it doesn't really have a category for arms civilians the so simply governments,

including the british and the last government decided to start creating international norms and standards of how these prognostic should behave. ready kind of contact was instigated or started by switzerland and the international community a group of companies in n, joe's and states got together. and they formulated a sort of a self regulatory car to contact these companies. so companies would fine up to this code promising they would not violate that they would not commit human rights atrocities or not can make war crimes, etc. so you can point to wow, representatives of a couple of nations and oh, by the way, the private military themselves got around

a table in switzerland and they agreed about good norms to aim for. ready her to contact you not work. the idea that company would voluntarily confess crimes. it's committed abroad. just why would they do? the reality is that most golf clubs have more enforcement mechanisms than these kind of documented i in about 15 countries, i've been involved and programs to reintegrate children who are served and enforce is ah, it's a contradiction in terms on the one hand western countries of pump large sums of money into the reintegration of former child soldiers. but now we have governments like the u. s. supporting these so called security companies that recruit people

and continue their exposure to violence and cement their identities as perpetrators of violence as soldiers that make it impossible to ever reintegrate into civilian life. now i will then in that instant ccsi, i says, i was a child. i was was it my job professional, joe is his weapon. ah, at one time window kits came into our camp. kill a lot of crucial fancies. ours on top of our looking now we had a exclusion has taken place. i think about swallowing when people are dying on the street,

the explosion is sticking out all over the city. and at any time how to going to show how to ball or what shave a explosion. i think about my going to what happens. yeah. before. ah. 20 the groceries in iraq? d. a face teens. what iraqi most fainted and intended to need for force. ah sure my member. so deceased. well,

i mean what to have them in should i live with people, ronnie, income gum fighting for what i like the idea of in try to for anita. ah. i feel easy. i did that was, you know, is not a good one because the one in douglas, and i'm just as makes me a check up with issues, it may seem like an act afraid, well it is not young people unfairly on have no jobs. they're desperate to feed themselves and their families and result is that it becomes harder and harder to ever find their way back in the civilian life. and a may plant seeds of violence wherever they go. well, weapon,

always remember one thing. i'm the most off my wife will say when i, when i have a wife one i sure which in control when you are not in the work, it's a weapon because i'm functional out which means i can do anything with it. ah, former child soldiers have been trained to take pride in their skill and their ability to, to kill people. ah, i think it's a fiction to claim that they are somehow stable, that they can self regulate it as well. young people who have extensive history of violence and being fed drugs and manipulated over time, they develop problems of impulsivity high levels of aggression. it becomes very difficult to change the mindset. it's spacious to say that they've been carefully selected or that they're, that it's safe to hand them

a gun and expect them to do a quote, professional job. i spend my life working to aid the rehabilitation and the regression of young people. and it pains me, see my own government supporting the behavior so called security companies. you know, we pride ourselves on being a moral people trying to do the right thing. what we're doing is we're exploring people using young people who've been child soldiers, deliberately sending them into the jaws of combat and further violence. nothing could be worse for these young people. nothing could be worse for security. me as a close connection between this industry and policymakers,

me is private military firm. this really poach retired general officers and admirals from the armed forces because they have connections in my case to recognize enemy. not formally having measured by ah mm mm. i think it's real

know you get what you pay for trucks judging street will continue to act full governance. you're going to see private companies between engaging in warfare these are companies that are interesting, all countries, data companies that would throw on how many of these companies that allow stuff. and fundamentally, if your citizen of democracy and your government takes action that you don't agree with, you can vote that government out if a company or from your country is doing something you disagree with. ah,

i mean a whole people carol, lot one dead soldier or dead marine shows up in this country. we start asking yourself, why did they die? why do what would a fighting for? nobody bothers asked by the contractors. all, all who cares? me? there is nobody going to die and come home in a body bag at denver, or dover, or whatever. oh, every american who serves,

joins an unbroken line of euros. i am awed by their sacrifice ah, win and get them in nickolowan and i haven't done allow both. i'm my food my doing kind of put our main hip thermal coming to them unit come in and keep the handle. who did he got it on on me? what they needed? god? oh, no one europe protest in the street, civil contractors kill ah ah, country still exercises its foreign policy, the use of force and violence in these foreign regions. it is using proxies, contractors, 3rd country nationals,

and in obscuring their role. oh, i you think that you can get somebody from here up and it can fit. it's really your money. it's your tax money doing it. but making sure the politicians are in trouble . ah. military contractors make a decision to go to war a lot easier. ah, that's part of ending a war responsibly. his standing by those who for the

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