when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. ah, i ah, i'm after redundancy. we are going undergrad after a battle u. k. prime minister for us, johnson tries to save his premier ship amidst a visit to ukraine, coming up in the show as boris johnson refuses to resign and continues to fight for his political life. of the findings of number 10, failures of leadership and judgment. we ask why millions of afghans are fighting for their actual lives and civilians,

reportedly selling that children and their organs in order to feed themselves just like millions in aid being pledged by the u. k. in its allies and as syria, successfully intercept u. k. u as a you nation armed israeli air strikes on one of the oldest cities in the world this week, damascus. why is israeli spyware apparently targeting human rights watch? we speak to the h r w human rights investigator allegedly attacked by pegasus bowlers. hm. all coming up in today's going underground. but 1st, while circled mainstream media here focuses on a mysterious imminent russian invasion of ukraine and the n devoris johnson. in recent days, the u. k government pledged an extra 97000000 pounds and aid to one of the world's worst humanitarian crises. afghanistan with over 22000000 threatened with starvation and reports of children and organs being sold in exchange for food. what now for the country that defeated britain, the u. s. i had such a high cost. joining me now from afghanistan's capital cobble is the spokesperson for you and hcr afghanistan. peter kessler. thank you so much. sure. pete, of her,

coming on. i mean, the foreign secretary here says the u. k continues to provide vital humanitarian assistance, enough canister on supporting of a 2700000 afghans with life saving a by the administration, working to keep humanitarian assistance flowing. to have janice done, that all us funds are directed to closely vetted local and international partners. i mean, surely the, the aid is coming through from the countries that, of course, arguably destroyed the country up to 21. well, you know, let us look at the bass needs in this country. afghanistan, a country or some 42000000 people. some 24000000 are in need of humanitarian assistance. right now, you know, with our partner agencies, we're aiming, we've prioritized to hit some 22000000 people with assistance this year. and we believe that this $22000000.00 figure is achievable if the humanitarian pipeline donor pipeline can be kept filled. and that's not just

a responsibility for the u. k. it's responsibility for all countries that have a stake in the situation here. because of course, afghanistan is in the location. it is in the middle of central asia with borders on many of the post soviet states as well as of course south asia. and of course the, the west asia region. yeah. i'll get to the geopolitical partners that to presume really are also working with i what would you say to the washington? i m f that is blocked $440000000.00 to that's crystelina, george eva at the bank of international settlement, general manager augustine cost, and apparently they've, they've withheld $700000000.00. obviously biden is freezing all assets in the usa, monday to billions. what would you say to those people about conditions on the ground and cobble that you're seeing right there, that might persuade them to release funds?

well, i think it's important for governments and organizations around the world to think about the humanitarian needs in afghanistan to look at it. how funny news can be directed towards the, the women, the children, the men, anyone in need here. because indeed, half the country are more than half the country is in need. the middle class is seen, of course their incomes wiped out. there is just simply no more development projects underway right now because of the different sanctions and freezing and activities the, the international economic sector. you know, for example, the airport is, is virtually operating in a shadow of its former capacity. because of course, most international flights have have whole to decide from a couple small african airlines. the import export sector, of course, is also greatly affected by the, the financial liquidity crisis. so you know where there are afghan monies overseas,

i think is the hold upon the international institutions. as the secretary general, the u. n. himself is said, it's important for parties to address afghanistan's liquidity crisis, to ensure that we're not penalizing the women and the children. because right now they are really living by a threat. i mean 90 percent of the wealth heroin comes from afghanistan. it went up to that level of to the occupations of not sure what the import export to market arguably, and as regards development surely wrong there. i mean, china has invested millions of dollars in afghanistan, and the neighbors focused on iran, russia, china, they know, investing in afghanistan right now. well, we certainly don't see, you don't see on the streets a lot of activity. i don't know what's happening in other areas where some of these

governments you, you've mentioned, might be investing in mines or other other ventures it could be under way. and i hope they'll start to determine that from the rooftops. i know that afghanistan has shipped out several 1000 several multiple up to 2000 tons of pine nuts, have been air lifted out to, for example, china. so afghanistan is trying to open up its trade routes. i believe the african authorities have also been involved in discussions with their neighbors about reopening some of the, the long delayed pipeline electrical power and, and railroad projects. so the authorities here have a plan. they've developed a modest 3 months budget of $7500000000.00 to, to keep the country going. and that was just released 2 weeks ago. so they're, they're making plans based on the modest income that they have as a country. but for a country with the enormous needs and the population of some 42000000,

almost people, it requires much, much more. and so whatever china russia and the broader international community can contribute to ensure that development projects resume. i mean, we're talking about a nation where many communities don't have access to clean water, where millions of people live in sub standard shelter, where, where children, girls and boys don't have schools. it's a country that seen a massive conflict for the last 20 years. there are many areas that my colleagues are now able to visit, that we weren't able to visit for, you know, a decade or more. so it's really astonishing what the taliban have said. they're willing to open up the security and the, the liberty, their permitting, our 8 is to have, in terms of reaching long out of reach areas, especially in the east of the country. so there's a lot of positivity,

but we need the resources to get into these areas. but what do you think when the i m f, washington i'm f says that it is engagement with afghanistan will remain suspended until there is clarity within the international community. on the recognition of a government led by the taliban, that you're saying, as is acting in some ways to inspire positivity. well, you know not, and i'm working from the humanitarian perspective here. where together with our partners we have roughly a 4 point. well, roughly a $4.00 humanitarian plan for a candidate. and plus, of course, another technical proposal underway amounting to some $3000000000.00. so the u. n. n is partners including in the end, jose, how to put together a finally cost plan valued at some $8000000000.00 for afghanistan this year. this can be funded by the international community. because if not,

the real danger is that many, many thousands of people could leave the country due to starvation persecution. and of course, just a lack of any a future here. so people need to begin to invest in afghanistan now, and i'll let the, the broader financial institutions decide about their goals, but i'm focused on the humanitarian need. you know, julian assigns the helix founder imprisoned here in britain, said the whole afghanistan war was a recycling operation. for trillions of dollars into a wall street in the military industrial complex, as joe biden spent said, it was 2 trillion dollars. britain spent $30000000.00 repeatedly. and on this, i mean, you see evidence of say, organ harvesting, which is bearing on british screens right now. children's organs being sold. or you see evidence of that because some might say there are certain elite in nature,

nations who wish the bible never withdrawn. the occupation troops of i've got a so well, in terms of these reports of people selling origins, this is, this is saturday and negative coping mechanism that arises not just in afghanistan, but in many impoverished communities in countries throughout the world. and what we're seeing in afghanistan now is the reality of individuals, particularly the women, apparently, according to media reports selling their organs. and of course families desperate for children couple can have children offering to buy children from those families in afghanistan that have miles they can feed people who need income. and, and this again is another negative coping mechanism. just as we've seen, of course, people victimized for. so many decades by smuggling networks that are so

happy to pray, i'm desperate communities and individuals here in afghanistan, convincing them that perhaps for a few 100 euros they can make their way into western europe. which of course, over many months, becomes multiple thousands of euros. and often during that time there victimized abused in and often even in slaves in situations as they approach countries where they might seek asylum. so this is a situation where negative coping mechanisms are already present. and of course, the, the danger of people resorting to migrating to neighboring states and participating in, in survival, sex and, and the prostitution market is, is really a real one. and that's why the disintegration of afghanistan, society must be avoided through a robust humanitarian approach to the country's needs. i mean,

do you think these donor countries, you're appealing to realize that if they don't give the money, they will just end up with more refugees here. and presumably you agree. i know you're criticizing the traffickers, but obviously the traffic is a mini facilitating a demand. and we know about women's rights under the taliban. we know about him. apparently, extrajudicial killing since the withdrawal. surely given there's no fight against that in the afghan is gone for human rights that to speak, or they're all eligible to come to europe and seek asylum where you and hcr is advocating that that countries across the world not send people back to afghanistan at this time the situation is just too unsteady, but as well it's, it's not just for western europe. of course it's for the central european essentially. iran has taken the most obviously millions of refugees, of course pakistan and iran who have been very, very generous. but yet,

who need support in their refugee hosting communities? it's also for, of course, russia and the central asian states that know the, the danger the instability in afghanistan can have that they can step in and help to address the financial needs to surely a government that can field 100000 soldiers on the border of your crane can also fields, humanitarian, and you think it's fresh or in china. it's time for russia and china to step up and not just leave it to nato countries as usual. well, russia and china have both been supportive of humanitarian operations around the world in the past rushes, emma con, has been a big player and a big supporter in a number of un operations. and so together with china, which has of course, boundless capacity in many areas and is neighboring directly neighboring afghanistan, they are already supporting some of our work. and china can,

of course, certainly do more, especially during this of the big season when we need to think of solitary solidarity in and, and be monetary needs on the ground here. so we do hope that all countries will step in australia, of course, in other states, in the americas, north america, usa, canada, and all those institutions. because indeed, afghanistan needs support and all the states that you've mentioned that course are in a position to do something. ok, they all say they are helping a course, but if it gets the thank you. thank you. after the break, we investigate why israeli spyware is allegedly targeting human rights watch in lebanon over which you can, you, as you nation on the war. planes flew to airily bombard, damascus this week in what the syrian government claims is. renewed, nater pushed us about isis and al qaeda. all of them all coming up about to have going underground.

ah, this is so smart. city is a city that's using technology to make people's life easier to have beer, collecting a lot of data to try to improve the way things are in theory, these big organizations that are amalgamating and pulling all that data together. they're not looking at you as an individual, necessarily people's data being collected so much data that there's a real possibility of privacy violation. and that's something most of us wouldn't want to wells transparent, but we must live with surveillance. ah

mm. welcome back. the angio human rights watch, like amnesty international, has continued in the past few days to slam u. k. u s. armed israel for its force definitions of palestinian homes in jerusalem . now h, i w's crisis, and coffee director in beirut claims. israeli spyware is targeted her when she happened to be investigating one of the largest non nuclear explosions since the us dropped the circled mother of all bombs on afghanistan, 2017 lamb of hockey, joins me now from lebanon's capital. thank you so much for coming on before we get to the so group. but more generally, and we have covered the story,

obviously in relation to jamal shoji killed in turkey. how will you targeted by this spyware? so i learned, let her a. now i went back targeted, i software in august of last year. i mean, you say state sponsored, obviously these are in the government. don't say that there anything to do with this. and obviously human rights watch is, has been very critical over is really policies either. so i understand told you they're not aware of any active customer using is technology against the human rights watch self member. but they have opened an initial assessment and your allegations that unfortunately isn't the nature of my work flow. and because i'm very sensitive files is very difficult for me to be able to determine which

country which has been responsible for me at the time that the attack took place. i was working quietly on an investigation looking really or from august or 2020. and i was just one of the many files i so unfortunately, you know, the digital fingerprint style with response of washington overseas but and so on. a, on a blacklist. and can you understand why it seo shall have julio has been telling his rainy tv is very hypocritical of the united states. given that the usa is selling weapons to kill the bowl in every country that is bought pegasus by where you allege was put on to your mobile phone. it's regular, it's what we're calling for the regulation intelligence

technology to ensure that the spyware are not being able to use them to go after to the right need or that are trying to choose their violation. yes, this is anna. so, of course, denies any link to the killing of the washington post journalist tomorrow, a show g, of course, one could say the edward snowden revealed to the will, the u. s. intelligence with g c, h q, here in britain is bugging everyone's. well, well, phone you had to take refuge in moscow. so what difference is it, i mean, your phone was probably bugged under that mess, surveillance system exposed by snowden. anyway, i'm reality is that we do see that a number. i think you're balanced at knology and on weight, and then not only under my, under my ability to do their job and we know people are in our ability to treat that with me. and the reality is that

he had real time. i mean, you mentioned a g, a, we've been targeted by spyware. so we have, i, i mean, obviously i'm presuming this has nothing to do with the lebanese and internal security forces information division about and the reporting that they have dismantled more than 15 separate israeli espionage networks. i mean, you don't think this is the israeli state. this is a client of anna, so group that good will be no israel at all. i have no way of controlling whether it is really government or not. i mean that in a long i can never really know what information the access to just from my and i have no knowledge of how to energy and whether that might be hard to me on my, you know,

community or any of my contacts. and obviously, you're saying definitely some of the people, human rights watch, tries to help, could have been put in danger, because of this spyware, on your phone. so the phone i started in was my personal device. so this was not a phone that with the same time, you know, the way it works is we know that they can use the device so they can access the camera, i can access my. so it's possible that the time when i was under surveillance, that they were, you know, monitoring my conversations and what had access to all of that. i mean the human rights which is heavily critical of israel government and it's a group. what we see is mandated by the israeli government, can you know, understand these really government might want to retaliate against your, the, and,

you know, you work for a for there. right? yes. and i were in the last, when you were a and my she just us you also because because you hear you, you know, war blaine's, i've been flying this week across lebanese, this place to bomb, damascus. what is the human rights view, watches view of what's happening this week? so i honestly, i, as a result of, you know, airstrikes or any other ground strikes or another competence. and unfortunately, you know, in the context of the steering conflict, we have documented violations by not just

a government and the residents in the context of that. and then also bye, this is a guy who had no way out in the context of strikes. and but no, i mean, this seems to be happening every other week. the bombing of syria by warplanes on by britain and the united states. i do support back to spy with human rights watches them on the u. s. dropping so prosecution of julian assange who helped edward snowden escape. often he revealed to the world that compared to and so group arguably that the united states has the biggest, less surveillance operation in the world. the world i'm are well phones. so you know, again our, our, and our concerns with knology is not limited to and so i feel is one of

many actors in this industry as the regulation. and this is, i mean right? it is ok are starting. we're trying to do their job. we're trying to tie on place. so the bottom line is that we want them to ensure that company, non profit, right? and they have a way that is under my rights. and what have you done with the phone and what do you advise other people to do if they suspect that their phone has been targeted by the software? i mean, i don't know how you 1st realized something was wrong with your personal mobile phone. yeah, i mean, i know already, but you know, on that i am now i am just really amount of information that i have,

unfortunately with knowing that you can do to prevent them because you know, the amount that i, where i was doing. so we need to limit what that is there and potentially tomorrow. i mean, now give me here in britain, lou politicians there in bay root elected politicians from the political body or a can see the terrorists. do you think they're all being bugged by forces allied to the nature waterways? right. so there was a fire for many stories. i'm investigation over the summer. there was a list of about 300 numbers that were to be on our list and, and other numbers there were high rating. so in that we see that, you know, a spyware. no one has mean. now you don't have the human rights

watch. anything to fight the spyware? what does human rights watch going to do all around the world if it's targets, if it's employees are targeted by this kind of software, and you are using sensitive information, sometimes of victims, of alleged war crimes and so forth. so basically, i mean there was no indication that anybody else on our team or within the organization was western today, also checked the devices of a number of others. we may not be at risk. and again, the reality is that there is no way to prevent an ass like completely. i mean, of course we do take a full range of digital security precautions and the way that we communicate in the way that we say share the bottom line is that one is regulated so that we can do our it's a failed state. how is it this winter?

i mean, unfortunately, the situation and i was just continuing to tear it. you know, we are suffering from prolonged electricity. i can tell you i only receive about one to 2 hours of 8 hour a day on the currency a 90. and i mean, you boil for coming to lebanon to help our systems are. there was a diesel shipment that came in over the summer. but i mean, you know, not by any means, you know, sufficient, that address the needs of the population. and the reality is that the vast majority population now are really interested in relying on generators for heat, for electricity, and it to cost intensive, or most of the population even be able to afford it. so just the cost of the home are, you know, like on your house is more than what you know, and i person in a month. yeah. and every major countries are trying to intercept those geranium oil

vessels, i should say. what does this mean for the covey to respond to lebanon? a brain with a number of doctors and nurses, a. so we seeing that there are inadequate, by a medical card to respond to me at the hospital bill that with and the bottom line is, you know, people are looking to release the government is not met. and it's not for that any . yeah. and i should say obviously the government is a sanctioned members of the government. like you thank you so much and you that's over the show will be back on saturday when we cover the bay during winter olympics boycotted by several major nations for what they claim the human rights abuses in the people's republic until then keep in touch by all our social media and let us

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