a 1000 of london keys to along with how much he i could fatima sat my going off that i'm looking for family. he asked him to you me actually a protest, pushy mom with ah, ah hello, and welcome to cross to upper all things considered. i'm peter lavelle, not long ago open public debate was considered a good thing even essential for

a stable and functioning society. today. if you do not follow in propagate liberal parties, you are accused of misinformation and should be banned from polite society. shut up or else ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he is a legal in media analyst in ohio. we have all over boy barrett. he is america's professor, a bowling green state university, as well as author of conflict propaganda in syria. and in montreal, we crossed to david fry. hi, he is a montreal litigator and youtube are. all right, gentlemen, cross our girls in effect, that means you can jump in and tell me what, and i always appreciate it. okay, let's go to line or person in new york um, why all this discussion about misinformation? all of a sudden because i don't know, i was brought up to believe that good debate. it's open debate us makes us all

better. i mean, you confronted people that huh. and challenge people that disagree with you and be open to it here. so why all this fuss about misinformation? and by the way, who determines that while i virtue of my senescence, i've been in the business here does my 35th year since i started in talk radio. and when i 1st started, what would get you really hurt? is if you drop the f bomb or if you said something that whatever that offended a sponsor, if i could bring back colleagues of mine who have since passed and said that today, people have been shelved by providing dis, information, misinformation, data, information, whatever you want to call it they would look at me, peter, and say, you mean for just being wrong? yes, for being incorrect. yes. well, what do you mean now what's interesting very quickly is that being wrong is often times how we get to the answer. anybody who has a rudimentary understanding about science or medicine understands or what we said initially about blood letting in leeches eventually lead to cancer,

cures in the likes or sometimes being wrong. and there's one of a marketplace of ideas is terrific. it is a beautiful tactic to stifle free speech. now i'm a lawyer and i think one of our, yes, a lawyer too. and we know that classically, if you say something that is liable us and defamatory that is not permitted. but this is a new thing. this is merely being wrong, you asked who determines what is wrong, the public consensus of what i call the shadow government overlord, to basically run everything through their wholly owned subsidiaries, platforms and social media. so basically it's a new form of, of thought charity. very well said, let's go to david in ottawa, same question to you and you're sitting in your car so to dispel any kind of propaganda in gossips and everything, please explain why you're sitting in your car and i have not been kicked out of my house. i have not been booted. i'm in ottawa, it's a 2 hour little bit over 2 hour drive from marshall because i need to see the freedom convoy 2022 in person and see what's going on. because i simply do not and

cannot believe what the mainstream media is putting out there, the canadian mainstream media. this convoy has been going on for a little while now. it's made the news about a week ago and right from the get go. you know how media plays it, they start screaming misinformation, they start putting out misinformation. and at the end of the day you cannot trust them. and the only way to do it is to see it with your own eyes. so this freedom convoy going across the country from british columbia to ottawa, to protest these vaccine mandates these oppressive government mandates. the media in canada which is largely subsidized, if not outright bought off by the liberal government at 1st, ignores it. and then pretends that something else, a small protest in british columbia for road conditions then has to recognize it and then goes into full misinformation demonizing mode, calling it racist massage, honest is extreme is white nationalist and then even goes to suggest that it might be sponsored or funded by the russians. i kid you not. so we live in an air of

misinformation because the people who are putting out the information are bought off or have interests that do not adhere to the truth, but rather other. and you know, as you get towards out it being wrong is subject to censorship. it's beyond that, it's being right but to orally that is subject to censorship because they try to hide the truth. and then when they can no longer hide the truth, they have to admit it. but the step one in hiding the truth is suppressing those who are saying, well, you're way ahead of me and my questions as i look at them, you all really go to go to you. i mean, you know, with this whole thing about misinformation i, i looking iraq in weapons of mass destruction. i look at the russian gate hoax. i see the changing the ever changing narrative on coven, i could go on and on here. i mean, this is misinformation is coming from legacy media. this is where most of it comes from and it's people like us, they push back against it and they call it all those bad names. and all these terms,

misinformation is a little bit like conspiracy theory. these terms are themselves tools, propaganda. but there isn't nothing. there's nothing new, of course about just information of propaganda information order. this has been with us for hundreds of probably thousands of years. but it does come in waves and because we live in a medias society, it will seem to us is the, this is for these problems are for an escalating, particularly as we move into times of war and or potential potential, a conflict then the machinery, a propaganda hybrid work or whatever term you want to give it, it will ramp up and all of the fav favorite techniques will come into play and, and in this suddenlink mystic term, such as this information. this information that you apply, of course,

you apply only to your opponents, even though you yourself are doing all these things a day by day. and you said the, a propagandist, are skillful in trying to replicate the conditions that lead most people to believe what it is that they believe. there are many, many techniques for this. one of the most interesting, i think, i think is perhaps becoming we can say somewhat novel is the because people tend to believe things that they can, they can hear, they can see witnesses talking about mrs. are an important thing that you need to replicate. if you are a propagandist, we saw this in a very dramatic way, way back in 1991 or in the 2nd invasion of iraq. the at the nazareth propaganda hopes i'm talking about babies being around. it turned out that she was the daughter of the $280.00 ambassador to,

to the united states. but more recently, we've had a thing where the c w, as in effect, being reliant on suppose it witnesses that are actually gone by organizations like why that's another county as you know, a grass roots movements. and they of course, find the witnesses that will present a particular point of view witnesses or a dime. it does that they, they have to be read. and even if they wouldn't cheat it, big intelligence agencies and dig deep into, i mean, even if you don't even need witnesses, you just need anonymous sources that seem to be good enough. ok. you know, i know there's, there's whole this whole affair with joe rogan and spotify. i'm exhausted by it because it has nothing to do with rogue. and in this information is not modified.

they see, they think the legacy media is a guilt and they don't want anyone else in their guilt. you have to, you have to, you have to earn your way in to do that is to be a supplicant and repeat their narrative. it's not about your work, it's about spotify line. i agree, disagree, and correct. a couple of things here. let's go back. history is a wonderful thing of only were true as, as, as told story said, but it was the time. do you remember when the energy cookbook? came out and i was just to kind of a teenager and this is a book basically they show people how to build bombs. it stopped me. it was, it wasn't misinformation, it was information. and the court said, well, of course we let this out if, if didn't, don't read it or, or keep it from children. but, but you, you don't stifle truth. now, we've always had propaganda. we've always had misinformation, this information and the left and right. but here's the thing, which is so interesting right now using kind of this gustavo bond kind of

a clock receive crowd theory. people actually clamor for this information being shunted in stock. they want this, they are actually pitchforks and torch crowder. say yes, absolutely. they want it, and one thing just very quickly, spotify. it's not so much a spot of, i knew it says spotify dared to question the narrative. it did not see permission from the shadow government. i've my new term for whoever is in charge of this. and they are going to back down so fast, and you were going to see joe rogan, or anybody who as an example, crushed and when you have neil, young joanie, mitchell, zam fear, king of the pan flute. and every, every hoary rocker who's at the end of the trajectory, used as the reason because they had childhood polio, look it, imagine gary buey se, suggesting that the movie easy writer should be taken off because they were driving

around with our helmets and he almost died imagine, think about this very quickly. we have people who eric clapton, who almost died because of drugs. and there are people who actually sing in blues and rock peons and, and, and plot is j. j cale, to cocaine. and so if we want to talk about what happened in the old days and how we're using this as basically the pretext to have thought crushed it. it's beyond absurd. but the audience and the citizens love this. yes, they are the ones clapping from the other clamoring for dis information themselves to reassure themselves. and let me go back to you. i'm going i want to keep the structure thing because i think it's too good to be true, haven't you? on cross off right now, give us an example of how misinformation is working. when it comes to this protest, go ahead. it is shocking because like i say, they go through this checklist playing off the american book, the ignore. then you try to minimize, then you try to demonize and then you try to divert. so they say no pro,

there's no, there's no conflict. ok, there's a convoy, but it's not that big. ok, it's big, but it's white nationalist or it's, it's going to be our january 6 and then they go. what fake news does because it is a cabal of individuals who all, if there's no formal charter, they know that they're pushing the same narrative. they all do the same thing in lockstep in tandem types of misinformation. you get one dude in a crowd of tens of thousands who happens to having neatly pressed brand new confederate flag for whatever the reason had a protest in canada. and he ended up having to plug her within 3 feet of him, snapping pictures of that one individual as though it represents anything. and then all your blue check, mark politicians, media types, ctv, c, b, c. they start retreating. look at this. i've never seen a white nationalist like at a, you know, a protest for the residential schools, the mistreatment of indigenous children. of course you don't because most normal

freedom loving people don't go sabotaged other people's parades. so they take one example, which itself may be a plant, a stooge, a false flight, or whatever, on a loony looking for 2 minutes of fame. and they run with that exception and try to make it the rule. they took a picture of what appeared to be urine on a war monument and then said, everyone here is pissing on monuments and i'm literally, and i'm for the thing that could have been a dog, not that that makes it any better. but to take a picture of what looks like it might be urine in snow and then say this entire convoy is disrespecting war monuments and the history of canada. it's how fake news does news they're trying to cling to narrative. they're trying to support the government that subsidizes them. it's a $1000000000.00 to cbc audio, canada, $600000000.00 bail out to the other media industry, millions of dollars a month in cove. it adds to the media outlets that push the narrative and support the government. it's how they do it. it seems a little more pronounced in canada than in the us because he got more push back.

i'm really disappointed with canada, canada's gone to extreme on somebody say, i gentlemen, i'm gonna jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that show, very go can you or discussion on some real estate with our team? ah ah, with

ah, welcome back to ross that were all things are considered. i'm peter. well, this is the home edition remind you were discussing some real news. ah, it was going to oliver and ohio, one of the in it, we were talking about, you know, we've had misinformation to some information propaganda from time in memorial. but was different this time around is that they can just erase you in broad daylight. i think that and that's what's really terrifying because you can actually be a well known person. there's a international relations, there's these john mearsheimer and he very much pushed against the, the iraq war. and someone of his very high stature was basically disappeared in public life. i mean, you have access if you go right to him, but if you, you don't learn about him in the publics here because that's done intentionally

a really, truly brilliant man. and so many people are not merely his brilliant, unfortunately. but you can be easily just erased in that racing you from the financial system, you know, on online exposure platforms, the whole ball of wax or yeah, i think the invasion and occupation of iraq is the starting point to the very rapid deterioration of the quality of the in as much as they ever want to see the quality of our mainstream media. so i think what happened is, not only do they not find my subscription, which has to be one of the most extraordinary incompetent propaganda campaigns that has ever been a jumped out. and of course, as usual, the media will hook line and sinker behind the authority, official narrative, but at least because of the non existence of weapons of mass destruction,

iraq or the media. at that time, i had enough decency at least to try and apologize and that they, i and i got it wrong because what else could they do? but we haven't seen any repeat that. you talk about erasure. so we just now just very recently, we've experienced one of the most most intriguing and outrageous hopes is in the history of media, which is of course, russia gate, which turns out simply to be or conducted by a firm of attorneys on behalf of the democratic party campaign and but the fact that this is not being totally disclose in part because of the dora report and we see barely any concession in the mainstream media to the fact that they were beating the drums of russia. gates

incessantly for 3234 years. but then nothing can be done so so, so, so bad that the, that the media feel any necessity whatsoever to, to turn up to it. why would they own up to it? careers remain, deals, netflix cable contracts. i mean, you know, all of these people just fell into all these failures. so up word, ok. i mean, why in the world would they say that? ok, i mean, they all succeeded. and what we have now, and i don't want to go into it because it's a big subject, but this whole russia gate mentality is spilling into foreign policy as we speak right now. and in that mean, the lack of honesty on part of the media has real world effects and i just leave it at that. ok, let me go to like lennox, you know,

when you and i were coming up at we, we were, we had a consensus of what you shouldn't say, which not quite to say in public, but they've changed. it is what we should say. they've changed the entire concept of the, of how we conduct ourselves in public. it's what you should say. now, what you shouldn't say, because there's a rough consensus. i think everyone on this program a real good idea what you probably shouldn't say. it's completely unnecessary. but what we should say, we have to wait for the email, we have to wait for the, for the message on what's up. this is what's, why terrified? wow. if i could come back in another life, i would love to be a propagandist for a criminal awful regime. and you can pick the one you'd like. and what i would do was, i would say, let me tell you what i learned 1st in order to change the architecture of thought, the architecture of the, of, of movement. i'm not interested in social media platforms. that's okay. they come

and go. what i want to do is i want people to feel that they're doing the right thing by saying no, do a particular song. i want them to turn on each other, whether it's masks, whether it's all of us and, and the greatest idea of, when you mentioned about, and i mentioned but history, let's take people and their nations. let's actually see if they're stupid enough. i'm going to throw in a confederate flag age kind of a, a stonewall jackson. um, you know, when klan member into canada, this is an anachronism. let's see if anybody picks up on it and we'll laugh was a no, they didn't. then i'm going to make it cool to basically and believe me, cove, it has been a behavioral psychologist, a breeding ground for some of the greatest ever. so when we were younger kids, we had, it was maybe our music on long hair. people would say maybe church is maybe parents,

nobody really crushed us. a few people here and there and there was resistance. what i want to know was in this, i'll ask you in the panel collectively. is there anything that i, as an experimenter could, could shut down either a thought, whether if i shut down means or bathroom pictures or chiropractic videos or whatever the, the particular thing is today. would we ever march? would anybody in america, in particular, we're just slovenly. we're torpid, we just sit back and we're just through learn helpless as we to. okay. the thing you can do, and when i see truckers or anybody or young into trouble broadcasters, doing something, it gives me hope because my problem here is not so much the, the people trying to shut me down. but this, this and we, this, this, this torpor, this, we're, what, we're, what are you going to do? again we're, we're so lucky to have david here because, you know, as

a social status, truckers aren't going to have a very high social status. ok. which i think is wrong. i mean, where we get our stuff. it's a trucker that brought it there. ok. i'm working those long hours there alone in a cab. most of the time here. when i find interesting, isn't this whole narrative control. it's always focused on punching down on the power lists. this is incessant. ok, punch down punch down. and if you look at, even at the me, the night comedy shows, which i don't find funny at all. look at it. it's all punching down it people and this is, and this is the reflex they have. because lionel's already brought it up and get everybody to hate each other and fight each other. or when you get that, then you have a lot of power. if you could actually do that and they do, do it, go ahead. i was, it is amazing because it's punching down. i now understand how middle america has

been demonized in the past where they were called gun toting bible, thumping people like you have to demonize them to create the impression that they are unable or an intellectual enough to govern themselves. and it's what you see happening here in the idea of denigrating truckers and writing them off as extremist white. nationalists, selfish people who have a very solitary profession. it's a tough profession. they're away from their families. if they have them, it's difficult to have families. if they don't, they are the backbone of canadian society and american society. it's like the fly over country, and you had to demonize them. because historically, you've always had a political ruling class and a subservient class and its own the democracy of the west is relatively new, is relatively unique and relatively unnatural. and we just see people reverting back to the old school ruling class, political intellectual elite who know better than the lowly, hopefully, and get to tell them what to do. and when they start speaking for themselves, then they start becoming race traitors. they start becoming any fold any if you

want out there. and i just got your one anecdote because another one from this, from this convoy which is, it's glorious, it's misinformation. there was one guy with a confederate flag. there was another one with a swastika. the only guy in the crowd with a full face mask only and holds for his mouth and was wearing sunglasses over his eyes. chris brand new, so stick a flag and was told to leave by the crowd, but the media runs with it. they are trying to do things which would be comical if it were in a movie. it's literally like steve was skinny with a skateboard over his back pretending to be a teenager saying, what's up, my fellow teens. it's the missing from a from warfare is amazing. but people's propensity to go along, it's because they will feel intellectually superior to say those people are not entitled to their opinion. and if they have on the divergence, it's because they're ignorant or whatever. so we get to write it off and tell them what to do. it's absolutely true over it. and the way i look at it, the reason why the, there's such a ferocious reaction to dissent is in our ruling elites are the most incompetent in

recorded history. they never get anything right. everything they touch. thinking what i'm credential i would harbor i would the gail, i went to princeton. ok, how you got there? you know you never really explain your probably a legacy. ok. i mean who is the biggest cheerleader for center? chelsea clinton ok and she worked hard to get where she is. ok. i mean, this is what it's healthy for me. it's an there are what they want. even you demonize a group of people, you know, negate their message because these are, you know, rubes and they're deplorable. their message must be equal to the character. how you describe me. this is just a cancellation process because these leads do not want to be challenge. go ahead. well, yeah, we just had a reference to a nasty like a month ago. were you in finance, mainstream where you, you, you will look for some time before you find some mainstream media reference to nazi on neo nazi bikes in ukraine, which was where prepared apparently to fight

a 3rd world war in order to protect. i wouldn't say, i mean it's not any media. you know, i don't mean to say that, but it is a regime that feels that it is deeply constrained by what to do by the fear of a virus neo nazi movements in your brain. and you find very, very little sympathy from the mainstream media. you find everything but some of the for the other other wretched people right now in isn't ukraine and the in the bus. and you know, what is a really very disturbing i find and this coverage is the total lack of interest by western media in what is actually going on in ukraine, right. who is this gentleman savanski as well? so since he is a professional comedian who used his a comedy show for the pre seating the election,

which he stood for president, he used it as a, as an opportunity to set an informal agenda, which is in fact, which was a lot fuller than his actual agenda for his so are you great, but is the last b is it is a, is a very off authoritarian leader. he is an extreme neo liberal and above. all right, now he's in deep because he's trying to push through a land reform that would open. you need this up. a beautiful agricultural lab right? running out of time roughly, but i'm really glad that you, the regime nature in ukraine is not mentioned. the gentleman, i want to thank my guest here in new york, ohio and in ottawa, in a car, no less. i think our viewers for watching us here aren't you see next time remember across cycles? ah,

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