ah, name after that, see we're going underground after a battle u. k. prime minister for us, johnson tries to save his premier ship amidst a visit to ukraine, coming up on the show as boris johnson refuses to resign and continues to fight for his political life. of the findings of number 10, failures of leadership and judgment. we ask why millions of afghans are fighting for their actual lives and civilians, reportedly selling that children and their organs in order to feed themselves just like millions and aid being pledged by the u. k. and its allies, and as syria successfully intercept u. k. u. s. a. you nation armed israeli air strikes on one of the oldest cities in the world this week, damascus. why is, is really spyware? apparently targeting human rights watch. we speak to the h r w human rights investigator allegedly attacked by pegasus. all of them all coming up in today's going underground. but 1st,

while circled mainstream media here focuses on a mysterious imminent russian invasion of ukraine and the n. devoris johnson. in recent days, the u. k. government pledged an extra 97000000 pounds in aid to one of the world's worst humanitarian crises. afghanistan with over 22000000. threatened with starvation and reports of children and organs being sold in exchange for food. what now for the country that defeated britain, the usa, it's such a high cost. joining me now from afghanistan's capital cobble is the spokesperson for you and hcr afghanistan. peter kessler. thank you so much, peter, for coming on. i mean, the foreign secretary here says the u. k continues to provide vital humanitarian assistance, enough canister on supporting of a 2700000 afghans with life saving aid by the administration. working to keep you monitoring assistance flowing to have canvassed on that all us funds are directed to closely vetted, local and international partners. i mean, surely the, the aid is coming through from the countries that, of course, sir arguably destroyed the country up to 20 or one. well, you know,

let's look at the vast needs in this country. afghanistan, countries, some 42000000 people, some 24000000 are in need of humanitarian assistance. right now, you know, with our partner agencies, we're aiming, we've prioritize to hit some 22000000 people with assistance this year. and we believe that this $22000000.00 figure is achievable if the humanitarian pipeline donor pipeline can be kept filled. and that's not just a responsibility for the u. k. it's a responsibility for all countries that have a stake in the situation here. because of course, afghanistan is in the location, it is in the middle of central asia with borders on many of the post soviet states as well as of course south asia. and of course the, the west asia region. yeah, i'll get to the geopolitical partners that really are also working with. and what would you say to the washington m. f. that is block $240000000.00

to that's crystelina, george eva. now the bank of international settlement, general manager augustine cost. and apparently they've, they've withheld $700000000.00. obviously biden is freezing all assets in the usa, amounting to billions. what would you say to those people about conditions on the ground and cobble that you're seeing right there, that might persuade them to release funds? well, i think it's important for governments and organizations around the world to think about the humanitarian needs in afghanistan to look at how funds can be directed towards the, the women, the children, the men, anyone in need here. because in the half the country are more than half the country is in need, the middle class is seen, of course their incomes wiped out. there is just, we know more development projects underway right now because of the different

sanctions and freezing and activities the, the international economic sector. you know, for example, the airport is virtually operating in a shadow of its former capacity. because of course, most international sites have, have whole to decide from a couple small african airlines. the import export sector, of course, is also greatly affected by the financial liquidity crisis. so you know where there are afghan monies overseas, i think is the hold upon the international institutions. as the secretary general of the un himself is said, it's important for parties to address a stand liquidity crisis to ensure that we're not penalizing to women and the children. because right now they are really living by a threat. i mean 90 percent of the wealth heroin comes from afghanistan,

it went up to that level of to the occupation. so not sure what the import export market to arguably and as regards development, surely wrong there. i mean, china has invested millions of dollars in afghanistan, and the neighbors focused on iran, russia, china, they know, investing in afghanistan right now. well, we certainly don't see, you don't see on the streets a lot of activity. i don't know what's happening in other areas where some of these governments you, you've mentioned, might be investing in minds or other other ventures it could be underway. and i hope they'll start to, to trumpet that from the rooftops. i know that i can stand it shipped out several 1000 and several multiple up to 2000 tons of pine nuts. have been air lifted out to, for example, china. so afghanistan is trying to open up its trade routes. i believe the afghan authorities have also been involved in discussions with their neighbors about

reopening some of the, the long delayed pipeline electrical power and road projects. so the authorities here how a plan they've developed and modest a 3 month budget of $500000000.00 to, to keep the country going. and that was just released 2 weeks ago. so they're making plans based on the modest income that they have as a country, but for a country with the enormous needs and the population of some 42000000, almost people. it requires much, much more. and so whatever china russia and the broader international community can contribute to ensure that development projects resume. i mean, we're talking about a nation where many communities don't have access to clean water, where millions of people live in sub standard shelter. where, where children, girls and boys don't have schools, it's a country that seen

a massive conflict for the last 20 years. there are many areas that my colleagues are now able to visit, that we weren't able to visit for, for a decade or more. so it's really astonishing what the taliban have said, they're willing to open up the security and the, the liberty, their permitting are a, is to have in terms of reaching long out of reach areas, especially in the east of the country. so there's a lot of positivity, but we need the resources to get into these areas. but what do you think when the i m f, washington i m f says that term is engagement with afghanistan will remain suspended until there is clarity within the international community. on the recognition of a government led by the taliban, that you're saying, as it is acting in some ways to inspire positivity. well, you know, i'm working from the humanitarian perspective, how to put together

a finely costed plan valued it some $8000000000.00 for afghanistan. this year this can be funded by the international community, because if not, the real danger is that many, many thousands of people could leave the country due to starvation persecution. and of course, just a lack of any or a future here. so people need to begin to invest in afghanistan now, and i'll let the, the broader financial institutions decide about their goals that i'm focused on making military need. you know, julian assigns the wiki leaks found or imprisoned here in britain said the whole afghanistan war was a recycling operation for trillions of dollars into a wall street in the military. industrial complex. as joe biden spent said, there was 2 trillion dollars. britain spent $30000000.00 repeatedly and on this i bid you see evidence of say, organ harvesting,

which is appearing on british screens right now. children's organs being sold. or you see evidence of that because some might say, there are certain elite in nato nations who wish to buy them and never withdrawn the occupation troops of afghanistan. well, in terms of these reports of, of people selling organs. this is, this is sadly negative coping mechanism that arrive is not just gonna stand, but in many impoverished communities in countries throughout the world. and what we're seeing in afghanistan now is the reality of individuals, particularly the women, apparently, according to media reports selling their origins. and of course families desperate for children couples 2 can have children offering to buy children from those families in afghanistan that have miles, they can feed people who need income. and,

and this again is another negative coping mechanism. just as the scene of course people victimized for so many decades by the smuggling networks that are so happy to pray, i'm desperate communities and individuals here in afghanistan, convincing man that perhaps for a few 100 euros they can make their way into western europe. which of course, over many months, becomes multiple thousands of euros. and often during that time there victimized abused in and often even in slaves in situations as they approach countries where they might seek asylum. so this is a situation where negative coping mechanisms are already present. and of course, the, the danger of people resorting to migrating to neighboring states and participating in, in survival, sex and, and the prostitution market is, is really

a real one. and that's why the disintegration of afghanistan society must be avoided through a robust humanitarian approach to the countries needs. i do think these donor countries, you're appealing to realize that if they don't give the money, they will just end up with more refugees here. and presumably you agree, i know you're criticizing the traffic is but obviously the traffic is amelia, facilitating a demand. and we know about women's rights under the taliban. we know about them. apparently, extrajudicial killing since the withdrawal. surely given there's no fight against that enough. get is done for you and rights that to speak, or they're all eligible to come to europe and seek asylum where you and hcr is advocating that that countries a, the world not send people back to afghanistan at this time. the situation is just too unsteady. but as well it's, it's not just for western europe, of course it's for the central european, the central iran has taken the most,

obviously millions of refugees of pakistan and iran have been very, very generous, but yet who needs support in their refugee hosting communities? it's also for, of course, russia in the central asian states that know the, the danger, the instability in afghanistan can have that they can step in and help to address the financial needs to surely a government that can field 100000 soldiers on the border of ukraine can also fields, humanitarian, and you think it's a good time for russia and china to step up and not just leave it to nato countries as usual. well, russia and china have both been supportive of humanitarian operations around the world in the past rushes, emma con, has been a big player and a big supporter in a number of un operations. and so together with china, which has of course, boundless capacity in many areas and is neighboring directly neighboring

afghanistan. and they are already supporting some of our work. and china can, of course, certainly do more, especially during this of the big season when we need to think of solitary solidarity and, and the manage area needs on the ground here. so we do hope that all countries will step in australia, of course, in other states, in the americas, north america, usa, canada, and all those institutions. because indeed, afghanistan need support. and all the states that you've mentioned, of course, are in a position to do something. ok, they all say they are helping of course, but be the guess the thank you. thank you. after the break, we investigate why israeli spyware is allegedly targeting human rights watch in lebanon over which you can u. s. a. you nation armed warplanes flew to airily bombard damascus this week, and what the syrian government claims is renewed,

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approved for him. um, receiving him up the money in the course that i can live through long mo, when i was showing wrong one. 03. just don't know. i mean, you world is yet to see how this thing becomes the advocate an engagement. it was the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. ah, welcome back, the angio human rights watch like amnesty international has continued in the past few days to some

u. k. u. s. armed israel for its force demolitions of palestinian homes in jerusalem. now h i w crisis. gov, a director and may rude claims. israeli spyware is targeted. oh, when she happened to be investigating one of the largest nuclear explosions. since the us drop the circled mother of all bombs on afghanistan, 2017 love hockey, joins me now from lebanon's capital. thank you so much for coming on before we get to the so group or more generally. and we have covered the story. obviously, in relation to jamal to show g killed in turkey, how will you targeted by this spyware? so i learned in late november accuracy, i know, and i, i, i went back targeted, i software is equal in august of last year. i mean, you say state sponsored, obviously these are in the government. don't say that there anything to do with this and obviously human rights which it has been very critical over israeli year

policies either. so i understand told you they are not aware of any active customer using its technology against human rights watch self member. but they have opened an initial assessment and your allegations, that unfortunately isn't the nature of my work flow. and because i'm very sensitive files is very simple for me to be able to determine which country, which i am responsible for me. at the time that the attack took place. i was working quite intently on an investigation looking realty or the last from august or 2020. and i was just one of the many files i so unfortunately, you know, the digital fingerprint a washington overseas but and so on. i want to blacklist and can you understand why it see shallow julio has been telling is

really tv. it's very hypocritical of the united states. given that the usa selling weapons to kill the bowl in every country that is bought pegasus by where you are ledgers. put them to your mobile phone. i'm not saying it is regular. we're calling for a therapy and regulation intelligence. i, spyware. i used to go after 2 nights and there's, like, we are trying to choose their license. yes, this is anna. so, of course, denies any link to the killing of the washington post journalist tomorrow. show g, of course, one could say the edward snowden revealed to the will, the u. s. intelligence with g c, h q, here in britain is bugging everyone's. well, well, phone he had to take refuge in moscow. so what difference is it, i mean, your phone was probably bugged under that mess, surveillance system exposed by snowden. anyway, i'm reality is that we do see that

a number of countries, a technology in our way, and then not only under my, under my ability to do their job. and we know people are in our ability with me. and the reality is that the have real world consequences. i mean, you mentioned your a to see, we have a cases where individuals in abilene and targeted by spyware. so we have a seriously, i mean, obviously i'm presuming this has nothing to do with the lebanese internal security forces information division about and the reporting that they have dismantled more than 15 separate israeli espionage networks. i mean, you don't think this is the israeli state. this is a client of anna, so group that good will be no israel at all. i have no way of controlling whether

this is really government or not. and i mean that in a long i can never really know what information the access to just from my and i have no knowledge of how to be me. and when i very hard to me on my, you know, community or any of my contacts. and obviously you're saying definitely some of the people, human rights watch, tries to help, could have been put in danger because of this spyware, on your phone. so that's all i want to target in was my personal bias. so this was not a phone that with the same time, you know, the way it works is we know that they can use the device so they can ask the camera can access to my. so it's possible that the time when i was under

surveillance, that they were monitoring my conversations and what had access to i didn't hear about that. i mean the human rights, which is heavily critical of the israeli government. and it's a group. what we see is mandated by the israeli government, can you know, understand really government might want to retaliate against your, the, and you, you work for a right? yes. if i were in the last, when you were a and i, she just us, you also because because you hear you, you know, war blaine's, i've been flying this week across lebanese, this place to bomb,

damascus. what is the human rights view, watches view of what's happening this week? so i honestly, i, as a result of, you know, airstrikes or any other ground strikes or another competence. and unfortunately, you know, in the context of the steering complex, we have documented by a government and records in the context of that. and then also bye, this is a guy who had no way to a contract with strikes. and, but no, i mean, this needs to be happening every other week, the bombing of syria by war planes on, by britain and the united states of do support. so back to spy with human rights

watches them on the u. s. dropping so prosecution of judy and assange who helped edward snowden escape. often he revealed to the will that compared to and so group arguably that the united states has the biggest, less surveillance operation in the world of all are well phones. so, you know, again our, our, our, and our concerns with ecology is not limited to, and i, so as to why many actors in this industry as the regulation. and this is, i mean, right in, are starting, we're trying to do their job. we're trying to find my on place. so the bottom line is that we want them to ensure that company, non profit, right? and they have to start using surveillance technologies in a way that undermine right. and what have you done with that phone and what do you

advise other people to do if they suspect that their phone has been targeted by the software? i mean, i don't know how you 1st realized something was wrong with your personal mobile phone. yeah, i mean, i know already, but you know, i now, i mean the amount of information that i have, unfortunately with you to prevent them because you know, the amount that i, where i, i see that to limit what that is there and actually do harm. i mean, arguably, here in britain, politicians there in bay root elected politicians from the political body, or a can see the terrorists. do you think they're all being bugged by forces? i like to to name to water israel. so there was

a fire for many stories. i'm investigation in the summer, there was a list of about 300 items on numbers that were to be on our list and, and other numbers there were high rating. so in that we see that, you know, i, where no one has mean. now you don't have the human rights watch anything to fight the spyware. what does human rights watch going to do all around the world? if it's targets it's employees are targeted by this kind of software. and you are using sensitive information, sometimes of victims, of alleged war crimes and so forth. so basically, i mean there was no indication that anybody else on our team or within the organization was western. today, i also checked the devices of a number of others that we may not be at risk. and again,

the reality is that there is no way for that. like we, i mean, of course we do take a full range digital security precautions and the way that we communicate in a way that we say and share the bottom line is that we need it so that we can do our work safely and to the higher communications that we have for me, and i just find a better ask you about 11 am because all around the world media report to saying it's a, it's a failed state. how is it this winter? i mean, unfortunately, the situation and i was just continuing to get here, you know, we are suffering from la electricity. i can tell you, i only receive about one to 2 hours of 8 hour a day on the currency. a 90 a oil coming to lebanon to help

our systems are. there was a diesel shipment that came in over the summer, but i mean, not by any means, you know, sufficient address, the needs of the population and the vast majority population. now i'm really interested in relying on generators for heat, for electricity, and it to cause it, or most of the population even be able to afford it. so just a home or, you know, like on your house is more than what you know. and i, person in a month. yeah, and i mean, nato countries are trying to intercept those iranian oil vessels. i should say, what does this mean for the covey to respond to lebanon? a brain with a number of doctors and nurses, a. so we seeing that there are inadequate,

by a medical card to respond to me at the hospital. so that with and the bottom line is, you know, people are looking to release the government. it has not met and it's not for any yeah, i should say. obviously the government is a sanctions or members of the government law. mcclockey. thank you so much. and you that's for this year we'll be back on saturday when we cover the bay during winter olympics boycotted by several major nations for what they claim the human rights abuses in the people's republic until then keep in touch by all our social media. let us know if you think major nations should send more humanitarian aid to countries. they've arguably help to destroy that long ago, open public debate was considered a good thing even essential for a stable in functioning society. today,

if you do not follow in propagate literal piety, you are a use of misinformation and should be banned from home. society shut up or else this is so smart, city is a city that using technology to make people's life easier to have beer, collecting a lot of data to try to improve the way things are in theory, these big organizations that are amalgamating and pulling all that data together, they're not looking at using individual, necessarily lose data being collected. so much data that there's a real possibility of privacy violation and then something most of us wouldn't want this off the world transparent, but we must live with a russian foreign ministry vows to retaliate against german media outlets in russia.

that's after germany is media regulated, a broadcast band and r p. this, the channel are the, the, the us nato responded to russia's proposed security guarantees is leaks and published by a spanish newspaper. the documents rejects which is key to bundle including keeping nape and ukraine out of the military alliance. and the you could see the green label on just the nuclear power paving the way for some reason tax code. it comes as member states.