roving his old company, sandlon, but daniel's visor now has developed a thriving business in private security. and he recently won that monthly 1000000 pound contract. well tim spices with me now. tim. good morning. what's your summary of the situation in terms of chaos or lauren? older, i wouldn't advise people to go that if the measures in put in place for their protection asana. mm hm. he should contract in iraq was to have received communication, coordination for all of the private security companies from the ground with any fixed. it meant that they were the general in charge of all of the private contracts. at that point, the u. s. military was the largest military presence in iraq. but if you add together, all of the private military contractors, spices effectively in charge of the 2nd largest,

unforeseen from spicer, is a fairly well known figure in british political and media circles. mm hm. but at the time of the award of the contract for iraq, it was awarded by a logistics contracting cell in virginia, not in iraq by a group of essentially acquisition bureaucrats who had no experience with the private military industry. no knowledge of the different players and referred to him as that british guy from with

mm. in the world of private security contracted when they heard that this company called aegis one this contract. and that the people that were working for him were, shall africans, and not america there was, there was fury when you're applying for these contracts. your bid on, you know, will include you and your businesses personal history. it doesn't say, you know, by the way, we were involved in this international controversy that almost cost a foreign minister. his job be just presence in iraq was relatively stand for you have one video which was posted on youtube for each is contract. i who is foreign a gun while playing rock music with

no legal actions. what types of what do your weapons in this battle in iraq? for me it's, it's the ability to coordinate and, and continue to help the reconstruction effort. ah, very rapidly each is became a huge company and it made tears. why? said extremely healthy, non majority of americans now think it was a mistake to go to war in iraq. early in the iraq war, the president stood before a banner that said, mission accomplished 3 and a half years later, the debate is back over why the u. s. is interact in the 1st place. public support for the war is falling. more americans want trips to come home

with in a brief ceremony on a base on the edge of baghdad, the united states took down the flag of its command here to mark the end of the military mission. the u. s. money stops him to be pulled out of the rocky operations, and the industry had to go to a very complicated reset. this companies had to realize that they weren't gonna get that level of money again. i'm so they had to offer different package of deals with that meant they would have to hire cheapest soldiers lou

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oh, i all work undertaken by ages is carried out to the highest standards of professional competence and integrity. our track record is extensive and our highly trained men and women are dedicated to supporting the mission and at hand with outstanding performance. when we 1st started into theater, we were briefed on peruvian and colombian guards, and the natural question you ask is, so what do you pay for these folks at the time? and i'm playing off memory self, but i'm pretty good at that. it was about $1000.00 to $1200.00. and then, oh, i don't know, 6 months a year ago, it became a garden guards at about $800.00

a month. and we'd ask the question of security companies because of the lowest price, technically acceptable. rushed to the bottom, that's what some call it y y o gone. it's now vs provings in columbia. and so we don't have a chance to get the award unless we use a guidance because there are $2.00 to $400.00 less. and now on this most recent trip, the company that is winning all the awards that had this was 1st i'd heard of, well, well we've got a good strategy. we're using sierra leonean. so you asked the question so, so what are we paying forms but $250.00 a month? you know, i guess rhetorically. i don't expect an answer. can we go a little lower? can we find someone? it's like, we'll do it for boarding room. you know, that has such a terrible country that maybe they'll just go out of the country and be a free security guard. i mean, that's pretty inexpensive. i say that it sounds procedures, but it's real. know you get what you pay for

me in the i the original goal was not to bring soldiers or soldiers from the poorest countries on earth, but the u. s. meeting system requires that you pick the lowest bidder. so the became the status quo and iraq to have multiple layers of foreigners, iraqi people, for where they came from and who they fought for. so some of that would be with the colombian marines, and it's a to be with range and on the you again, as you know, came out of the, again, an army of the challenges that i was with when i spent a month and black water from pinochet's private guard, and some of these countries are known for extremely britain wars,

whether it's columbia severally own. and there's not a lot of discussion about where did your life so long as you are in the army and you meet certain criteria. and sometimes you don't have to be in the army to meet this criteria. so the u. s. system, and of course, any business is going to put out a specification. if you can, mass specification and your cost is lower than you in the job. ah. as long as human are at the end of the day, self interested, you can pretty well predict which way bitcoin is going. and the fact that nations will make legal tender and they'll be a hash was going on in the house, right. john? the issue agenda. the

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bring you the very latest every out the day this is all now snow from everyone had with ah, so you cut your cost, you make more profit, you get the soldier that you want, but you also majorly dilute. the professionalism and the effectiveness of those so ah, with the company is self interest,

is different than national self interest company is a problem maximizes what they do. that's natural, except here, we're not creating toys. we're producing things that can result in wor. no, no, no, no, no, no. what do you do if you have somebody from the philippines and working for american private military company in afghanistan, who kill somebody? what jurisdiction does that person fall under? we don't know the international law such that it doesn't really have a category for armed civilians for the so subway governments including a british and the glass government decided to start creating international norms

and standards of how these prognostic should behave. ready kind of contact was instigated or started by switzerland and the international community a group of companies in n, g o and states got together. and they formulated a sort of a self regulatory car to contact these companies. so companies would sign up to this code promising they would not violate it, they would not commit human rights atrocities are not committed, war crimes, etc. so you can point to wow, representatives of a couple of nations. and by the way, the private military themselves got around a table in switzerland and they agreed about good norms to aim for. ready to conduct not work, the idea that

a company would voluntarily confess crime. it's committed abroad. why would they do them? the reality is that most golf clubs have more enforcement mechanisms than these kind of documented i in about 15 countries, i've been involved in programs to reintegrate children who are served an armed forces or it's a contradiction in terms on the one hand western countries have pump large sums of money into the reintegration of former child soldiers. but now we have governments like the u. s. supporting the so called security companies that recruit people and continue their exposure to violence and cement their identities as perpetrators of violence as soldiers that make it impossible to ever ran

a great into civilian life. now i will then in that instant susie, this is, i was a child. i was was it my job professional job is his weapon. ah, at one time, when did all kids came into our camp? at killer laura crucial classes. i was in touch with tara looking now we had the exclusion has taken place. i think about swallowing when people are dying on the street. the explosion is sticking all over the city. and at any time how to going to show how to ball or what shave

a explosion. i think about my going to what happens. yeah, before. ah . winning brooks with a face team for iraqi. they're more st at an antenna to need foreign force. that should be mighty member. so deceased, well i need to want to have them insured on your machine. i the people running to come in came gum fighting for what that

or like they want to try to for the on you know is not a good one. because one you just wish i don't have to make up with my patients and they seem like an actor for well as not young people unfairly and have no jobs are desperate to feed themselves and their families and result is that it becomes harder and harder to ever find their way back into civilian life and a plant seeds of violence wherever they go. well, we don't always remember wanting. i'm the my stuff, my wife. so when i, when i have a one, i should continue to work on because i'm full on turn off. i

mean, i can do anything with the former child soldiers. i've been trained to take pride in their skill and their ability to, to kill people. the, i think it's a fiction to claim that they are somehow stable, that they can self regulate as well known that young people who have extensive history of violence and being fed drugs and manipulated over time they develop problems of impulsivity high levels of aggression. it becomes very difficult to change the mindset. it's spacious to say that they've been carefully selected or that they're, that it's safe to them a gun and expect them to do a professional job. i spend

my life working to aid the rehabilitation and the regression of young people. and it pains me to see my own government supporting the behavior so called security companies. you know, we pride ourselves on being a moral people trying to do the right thing. what we're doing is we're exploring people using young people who've been child soldiers, deliberately sending them into the jaws of combat and further violence. nothing could be worse for these young people. nothing could be worse for security. me as a close connection between this industry and policy makers, me private military firm. this really poach retired general officers and admirals from the armed forces because they have

connections in my case to recognize enemy. i formally measured by and i say that it shows that it's real know you get what you pay for me. i ah,

privacy judging st. we'll continue to act full governance. you're going to see private companies literally engaging in warfare. these are companies that are interesting, all companies, data companies who wrote on our money these companies that allow stuff and fundamentally if your system of democracy and your government takes action that you don't agree with, you can vote that government out if a company or from your country is doing something you disagree with. ah, with

a whole people carol lot. when a dead soldier or dead marine shows up in this country the we start asking yourself, why did they die? why do what would a fighting for? nobody bothers asked by the contractors. all who cares me? there is nobody going to die and come home in a body bag at denver, or dover, or whatever. ah, every american who serves, joins an unbroken line of heroes. i'm awed by their sacrifice.

ah, meaning get them in nickolowan. see, i'm gonna, i'm gonna go, i'm maggie food. mute by doing what our main get them are coming to them. you implementing keep the handle. who did he got it on on the what? the meeting id. oh, no one protest in the street, civil contractors kill ah ah, country still exercises its foreign policy, the use of force and violence in these foreign regions. it is using proxies, contractors, 3rd country nationals, and in obscuring their role. oh,

you say that you can end up in iraq or somebody from sierra leone and up against it . it's really your money and your tax money doing it, but making sure the politicians don't get in trouble. ah. private military contractors make a decision to go to war a lot easier. ah, was part of ending a war responsive way is standing by those who fought? ah, oh i

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at the point, obviously is to race trust rather than fear i would like to take on various jobs with artificial intelligence. real, somebody with a robot must protect its own existence with this is so smart, city is a city that's using technology to make people's life easier to have beer, collecting a lot of data to try to improve the way things are in theory. these big organizations that are now amazing and pulling all that data together, they're not looking at you as an individual, necessarily lose data being collected or so much data that there's

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