examines sure were we examine whether the highly infectious or convicted of novel corona virus is surely proving a blessing in disguise. when 1st african scientists discovered the more convenient late last year, they quickly followed up with empirical and detailed clinical observations that the vacant seemed mild in its impact compared with his delta rival. however, it was only when their findings were confirmed by to start in the u. k. the government strike the west and both started to discuss treating on record like the flu, relaxing social restrictions despite so in case numbers on of living alongside to divide it. so it's on a controversial in the her community that the pot to weld wide vaccination pro gun has failed to provide. or is it a collective base of wishful thinking, which can lead humanity open to further new and more deadly radiance? today we asked to talk doctors, doctor, and we could see in south africa, i'm professor human coming in the u. k. both with hands on experience

a corporate patients for their view on whether on record is proving a blessing or curse. but 1st, do you think the most i message is in response to our special show last think, celebrating scotlands national by robert brains. first of anybody who says, really enjoyed this episode. and while i always knew robert barnes is recognized and celebrated worldwide underestimated it. when i listen to billy case history of robbie burns and was fascinating. and then john says in reference for that famous poem, thomas johnson. i only find recently that cutty stark was the name of the which i thought it was the horse. jord, shirley says, i don't think there's been a program on burns covering the man and his global influence in such depth and with such v to content, congratulations on the show and find me when you talk and listen to alex and not me says you're looking very smart to be no less than the average haggis would expect. of course, if be addressed now,

doctor and we could see short to international prominence when in mid november last year, she alerted her countries authorities that in her deep practice in pretoria, she was to take patience with unusual cooper. 19 symptoms. quickly, south african scientist identified the new on the convenient and ported it to the world health organization. on the 24th of november, alec speaks to doctor could see from her busy surgery in pretoria. and i was my great pleasure to be joined by doctor angela leet. could see it from her subterranean patricia and south africa. and of course you welcome to the i'll examine, show you so much. it's a big owner for me to be on your show. and i really appreciated what was that like to become the end of last year. of the, the doctor who the skull of the on the convenient and be propelled to international celebrity for what was that like. still,

and i didn't discover the only current i discovered, or i merely saw the clinical symptoms and i reported on the clinical symptoms. and the scientist with their sequencing discovered that the d easy to new variant and not the delta, were all these new symptoms that i saw on that specific day. and because i'm part of the ministerial advisory committee on vaccines i. and also in this, it being how do i way through that specific day that this day and i sit and listen . something strange is happen. i'm seeing and clinical picture, outpatient, positive now, but wanted to see our tasting and wrap it stretched. doesn't fit any better. it's not delta, isn't it? you know, i think it's not beat up and that's how it started. we have a lot of start to close it. but nonetheless, it was a, a eureka moment is sort of the course of how many patients will be talking about.

you identify this a suffering from this new variant towards the end of last year and 4 with the new year 120 patients. and i've been told about 2 to 3 days ago, and we still pacing on a daily basis. patients coming in with a check in seconds. but it's not really any positive cases anymore. so i think within the next week or 2, we would be down to lisa, right, the seat, and out of the 4 waste. so a no, was a father, jude experience. and petunia was, can send a or micron was a, a variant that swept through the population because of its when, in fact 70 and, but it was up like a rocket and then don't light the steak a because presumably the population was gathering a, an immunity as of a song of the infection. would that be your analysis? that's a difficult one. i know the scientist is not going to agree with me, but i think it's the nature of the hardest. i think this isa. it's like

a heat and iran, you know, eat very high interest of it, you write it and it is a very, very steep incline. and then just as quickly as he came, it went away. do you have of a theory, ill or something from your practical experience, which would give you a clue as to where the on the con, valiant has been? because it seems to have come down a different line of development from the original woocommerce virus than, for example, the delta valium. so it hasn't been the and developed in a patient with a compromised immune system or, or has it been arrested elsewhere, unidentified? or even has it been than the, the animal kingdom of you any, any feel as to where do you think omicron came from mackenzie from the new the nets . and, and, and we were lucky to, to pick it up clinically in south africa and on sequence you, but i think i'm, yes,

most probably it will mutate in a person with inc compromised immune systems because the immune system would not be able to detect about that easily and this is exactly the type of person that artist needs to do to mutate and i think leisure sounds, i think that's really important. amolla the can't ago whether i was 1st minister, scotland had a dispute for the light use that when the, the swimming flu, almost pandemic, of that of that time. where, because we had identified number of affected patients. we were probably the 1st come to in the world in scotland to be able to say with some reasonable certainty, this is a hypo, in fact, of infectious virus. but it doesn't seem to have a severe impact on most people that was similar. that wasn't good experience. with all nicole, because a very early stage, one of the rest of the world was still saying, well,

the says could be duty. you were able to say lutely evidence. we how from to toria is yes, it's very infectious. but also it's rather milder than some of the other venue, the clinical experience and in the mean, if you have been through the delta away, delta is the scary, scary, scary variance. i never ever want to see that in my life. and if you then so that the clinical picture of those patients and you've got the clinical picture on the clock, it's like choking cheese. it's different totally different picture and it's much more like the flu or to pose. and with our temperature i with oxygen need and so easy, it is really not this time than delta. and there was another frazier on me to say that you know that while disease. but if you look at the definition of the world health organization, what is your mind to see in terms of covered 90? they need it fixed their the criteria for from us of african point of view. well,

you know, with the the level of vaccination and what more do you think can be done in terms of the how provision in south africa to, to protect the population more we have low vaccination numbers if you look at it in the price of europe. but you know what, we just need to keep on much as i think our patients to grandkids themselves, sex, united. and it's the difficulty in south africa the, the motivation of the people to be vaccinated on is that the logistics of a vaccination supply? it is the logistics entities that people that's not always, that's happy to go and get them. so maxie night it's, i think it's a shaped lot of people if south africa, which has perhaps the most developed health service in the wholesale african continent has been in counseling. these difficult, what message could you give to the international community of vaccinating the

humanity as opposed to just bits of it? so what we need to do is we need to get another form of actions and the storage requirements. all these bonds are not conducive for africa. it's very difficult to long distance is that it needs to travel to lots of logistics, lots of a warranty. and then he just started looking at the po for attempts of the development of what's called a whole virus vaccine. that is a vaccine that both as it doesn't have to be stored quite lee in the conditions of the, of the current ones, but also as effective against the whole virus. where do you think we are in terms of medical breakthroughs? the science in terms of getting to a vaccine which will, which will defend against the virus as a whole, as opposed to just south variance. well, i hope, hopefully we'll see the next year that will start to happen. i'm the scientist to launch. so let's see what happens if we watch the space. i'm finally adopt code,

say, attempt, you'll experience a bit of a i you modest in terms of your identification of the, of the valiant love you propelled, you've got your own substantial wikipedia page though. i'm interested in you personally, i will look that last 2 months as men for from being a all this and distinguish physician and victoria. but to enter and international, a celebrity and expand to on the, on the, on the variance of this virus was not meant to you, past lam and that. so what was the different, what all does it? yeah, i'm lucky and you know, i am very active in your health sector. and so for me, i'm very much outcomes based. and i had noticed already in the last few years, these to move away from practical clinical needs to more and in personal mates. and

you know, we treat the patient over their health is our health platform, which is not acceptable to me. you can treat a new patients, are that you can buy a domain, you cannot speak up groves, it's, you know, we do it their own way. we are, we are moving away from good old mason and more technical, a environment which i don't think it's going to be conducive going forward for the majority of i should. we will see a lot of problems going forward. course is that the human element is not there. and of course i, you've been contacted by general practitioners or around the world to who, who are saying, you know, good on, you angelica, if demonstration of, of what hands on practical care of patients. they can tell us about the friends from, from viruses. i'm a system understanding. are you bidding the, the circuit,

lots of emails from fellow gps on the planet. say good on you. yes, yes, i have, i got it and i got hate mail as well. so i don't sure i'm too old for that. i know what i just needed that i know how to do that. well, i could tell you the article, so you have one very strong admirer from scotland, myself and i, i know the views of the alex i'm going to show it will appreciate your wisdom and thank you so much for joining me on the show. thank you. so much join us after the big well, we'll examine the impact of on the con in the intensive care words that the u. k. a professor he went gummy on university college, london with ah, ah,

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welcome back. the high infectious honor conveyed into novel corona virus is ripping through western societies, but isn't proving to be a blessing in disguise. professor human coming is both an outstanding academic and pride thing in the intensive care wards of london. alex, discuss it with him. the impact of on professor human godaddy. brilliant academic, but also hands on consultant in the busy intensive care wards of london. so what has been the situation over these last 2 omicron months in the intensive care was one has been interesting. am, as you will be well aware, mccomb is very, very highly transmissible, very highly transmissible. it had a really big competitive advantage over lots of other viruses and the other caveat variants and, but it wasn't as severe as it turned out. and we also had a large number of people he were excited, which really helped. so the numbers hitting our intensive care units for mechanical

ventilation when we're, when near those that we saw in the 1st and 2nd waves. the really big challenge that all hospitals faced was the fact that of course, the american burn still made people sick. it still meant that they had to be at home twice late. they were often laid up in bed feeling lousy 4 days, sometimes with long code, which we can talk about in a minute. but it took them away from hospitals where they would be working for instance. it also meant that family members of children were sick. they had been bold in child care and the epidemic did sweep through. you'll remember that in some areas it was one in 11 in 151 in 20, people infected. and that was a really perfect storm are certainly in london during december. it was absolute. you savage, huge numbers of doctors, nurses off sick, huge numbers of ambulance crew off, sick ambulance waiting times very substantial to get to patients. and the ambulance

couldn't offload into the hospital because they went the doctors and nurses to receive the patients in. and the system got very badly corked up. so i had personally probably the most sleep deprived run i've ever had in my consultant career. and beating even waves one and 2 in december because of those sorts of issues. and it was large numbers of, of sick people, lot of people going off sick. and of course, the usual when to search. it was there now that we get every year of our, the viruses, heart attacks, chest infections, et cetera. so it's so intense pressure beginning to ease know at least the or mclauren in it's a cute impact on people. it seems to be markedly demonstrably less potent than previous videos. yes, not a huge impact is less am. we are seeing the numbers beginning to decline in hospitals and platter off. many hospitals that flipped their unix,

i major areas have become coded and they restrict the numbers of non coded up intending to flip back certain me in, in the london situation. and we seem to be through the really big hit were swept through a staff directly there, so plenty people offset with it, but no and near what we had in december. so things are coming down. but of course, you know me, alex, we've spoken before. i'm not in the law mess, but i'm also not complacent. and this is still a disease, but lots of people haven't had. it does look as if there may be a signal that a new o longevity of the mean response isn't quite so good. so that's more easy to get a version again more quickly. and something will do still get burial with this, particularly people with suppressed immune systems can become very poorly with this is good reasons for everyone to be vaccinated and not to pass this to other people . and personally, a large number of people is still

a significant proportion. get symptoms that go on a lot longer than just a week or so. feeling flurry. am, you know, people, we all know people who are still saying, i'm still breathless. 2 months later, i've still got a car for a friend of mine talking to me this morning about a daughter who's as a national standard swimmer, saying she's 2 months out and still can't perform properly. m. these are not minor issues and i personally would rather not have said so i think the same sort of principles which you and are spoken about a long time before remain and without destroying one's life meeting people outdoors, in well ventilated areas, wearing masks where one can on public transport and so forth. one of these things just makes sense and they don't tend to ruin your life. and if you could do the most of the time, i think so the usa, a physician, having seen the impact of covered and so many patients do you detect a mom politics is not just the u. k, but you're denmark because relaxed all social restrictions this week didn't take

all mr. a complacency creeping in, there's all over bother shouting recovered. well, i do. and of course it could be right. i was wrong with the army con baron when it 1st asked, appearing before we had the south african dates that might be milder when i saw it infective. as he, i thought this could be very bad, and i'd always rather prepare for the worst and be pleasantly surprised than be caught on the hawk. now the trouble is, there is a general narrative, isn't there in the press and elsewhere, and in the body politic that we're now going from this pandemic phase where you get these waves of infection sweeping around the world that we're now into an endemic phase. in other words, the varsity to bedded in society, it's going to grumble along at a low level, and they'll have the occasional swing upwards, downwards in the winter months as meeting with flu. and that combined to the, not the narrative that viruses get more infectious,

but less severe. and this noticeable is part of its natural course end up being a bit like the common cold. now that speculation it can do, it may well be more likely to do that in the longer term, but we absolutely cannot be confident that's going to be the case right now. it could be that we end up with a very, very much nasty there in cropping up. then we've got the moment we just don't know, and i'm not a puritan. i'm not suggesting we will go to live as bunks for the rest of our lives . but i do think we've got to be a little bit cautious now about the way we manage the future. and what is this be a 2 very of all mcclellan that we're no hitting a boat in the u. k. well, this is the, i mean, i've not seen the sequence central sequences down not looked it up yet, but the, and it's just yet another variant, this time of the, or macomber. and it's a new variable, micron, which seems to have and gain a slightly greater competitive advantage in terms infection. so if we look at the genetic signature of a micron that we're getting from patients,

what we're seeing is an increase in their out competing the original micron. just as the way the omicron totally swept, the delta vary to side. the good news is, we're not at the moment seeing any signal that this is in any way more severe as an illness. but again, caveats go with all of that. and the thank heavens, an awful lot of that is because the vulnerable as the people who would suffer most from an on a chron or a coke infection, are well vaccinated. huge numbers of people in great britain from 12 years old, upwards vaccinated. i'd like to thank all of those people that have had their vaccines and their triple vaccines because they are preventing these things spreading as, say, potentially turning into nasty van to potentially making other people's sake. so am it's a good new story vaccination eaten. so 1st one, governor in the show we've been speaking to dr. angelica caught see the inventory in the south african, the g p, who identified the patients with what top note to be the or mcclellan variant. she

was slightly frustrated that that practical knowledge built up in south africa, hadn't managed to transfer the information as easily as she talked to 2 other companies despite her best efforts and broadcasting. or we have a situation where people doing the practical work, seated cove at patients pass on to the colleagues of nationally, their experience, for example, with the former on very it's a very, very good point actually. and it's something i've learned from this process too because of course, when we got way one, we had no idea what this virus is like or what it was doing. pretty much everything was here. say, remember, the 1st few cases were cropping up really in china, in mid january. we weren't really getting too much of a signal from what was going on there. then it'll, he got it, and then it was us. we very quickly learned. we had to talk to each other my very 1st friday night on call, where we got absolutely sledge hammered. i was on the phone to friends that next

day going, what are you seeing? does it look like this for you? are you seeing this as well? what are you doing for that? are you finding this works as well, or are you finding this is tom full to the very next week? we expanded those knowledge shares as we called them nationally and had the calls in and then disseminated information verbally and on its social media. but we also moved means nationally, so we had calls within that 1st week with italy, germany, france, spain, united kingdom. but also china, iran, and many other countries around the world and it was incredibly useful. and we kept those up actually during wave one and wave to and then i guess took our eye off the ball a little bit. and that were we seem to have got this one cracked and now our politicians departments can do most of the heavy lifting and communicating. now we're not in the back foot and tell us what's going on. but actually i have learned from this

that may be the thing i should have done been on my chron appeared, was to call up my colleagues in south africa. i've got plenty of friends who were there and said, can we just all get on a call? every day or 2 and just triangulate what we're actually seeing. because it's often from those direct conversations you continue to signal out. and from that i've learned to pick the phone up again. next time i'll just try to keep those channels . communication oak. i think it helps to be or crating at all levels, political and policy, but also is practitioner friendly human gemelli at this stage in the pandemic, once your greatest hope and what's your worst fear about the development of this virus? well, it's interesting one, i've got her again, i'm not in the law, mr. i'm. i'm hoping that my greatest hopes play out and i hope that people continue to maintain their vaccination status. so my hope is that people will continue to do that. my fears are that we might end up with abandon, people just going, well,

i don't need these vaccines anymore. that's all gone. the new variance will mild. i don't care and i'm not going to worry about it any more. you know, it's end of term all the works gone. we can now party like it's 1999 for the next year or 2 and it'll be fine. i think that might work out, but it would be a big gamble. and my other concern is that we end up with a nasty mutation appearing. and then of course my looking at the back of my mind is what comes next? because we've discussed this before, but in the last century we probably only had a 3 spill over events as they're known from animals to humans. and this last 21 years. we've had 17. we've had sales cove, one source cove to we've had mergers. we've had serv strep, so as the bacteria, we've had zika from rhesus monkeys that mendez train these because of the way we're treating our planet in terms of deforestation. for instance,

forcing predators and pray together, which wouldn't normally ever seek other wet meet markets and life meet markets, putting animals with feces, fur, and feathers together, which shouldn't be seen either. and then having these crazy international use of airlines where we had nearly a 150 people are 2nd boarding aeroplane in the day before code. it says these viruses get spread round very quickly indeed. and as the old saying goes, if you will do what you've always done, you always get what you've always got. and if we had 17 spill over events in recent years, we will have more go gates warned about this one coming. he was right. and we will have others if we continue to pay him of his we done before. and it be hubris for us to do that. we need to stop doing it because the next thing that helps us might be one have a lot worse than this. one is professor human governor of the somber was thank you so much for joining me once again on the alex, armin. sure. thank you so much. all right,

pam. then x i scaly and new. hyper infectious vital variance. really scary. but that was understandable that many countries would react cautiously to the mountains of the on a convenient in december by moving to tighten their social measures against space of the vidas. given infectious nature of on the coin. this has not stopped the new v that sweeping through country after country from an early stage south africa pervaded and politically based information suggesting the owner con, although much more infectious, was significantly less potent. as this information was confirmed by western studies, official policy has gone into reverse in many countries, either natural selection dictates that vital strength tend to become more infectious, would infectious the agent, the more successful it becomes in competing with others fees. but there is no such absolute determination that these civilians are in themselves,

most potent along that of either survives and significant numbers. the more opportunity there is for such a nightmare scenario to march. so far so good. although that still means death running at $300.00 per day in the u. k. and 10000 a day worldwide. however, do no problem assess the extent of armor can spread either to the vaccination program will confer some protection. however, it seems far too early to be putting the bunting out and taking the face masks for ne, from alex myself and all it issue is good by stay safe. i mean hope to see you all again next week. ah

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