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ah hello and welcome to cross stock. we're all things are considered. i'm people about war fever over ukraine continues unabated with the u. s. and u. k. taking the lead. however, not all natal members are and, or even ukraine is attempting to dampen expectations of an armed conflict with russia. will washington in london get their way with discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guess like a white in new york. she is united nations corresponding in boston. we have let a miracle scene. he is the chair of the department of flux that he's at brown

university and in lancaster we crossed to alexander claxon. he is a researcher at the university of lancaster or across the rules. and if that means you can jump in any time you want, i would appreciate it. ok, let's go to vladimir in boston. where are we right now? but i'm glad of me because i thought this invasion was supposed to happen a few months ago. i mean, this is kind of like waiting for godot, and the longer we wait, the more we see the western alliance, particularly nato fragment, maybe that's an exaggeration, but they're certainly not all on the same page. the more they discussed this, and about what role the united states, u. k. and continental european countries, a nato. what kind of role they should like go head vladimir. why do i have key on the surface? it is the same old story. beg russia invasion via montgomery and so on, but i suspect that and the knees, every country a repetition is trying to sort of, you know, like they say to fish in the mighty waters. and i feel good in one born. johnson is

very, very deep trouble with all his spotty gazing and whatever he was doing the non stop . but, you know, of course, this might, it was good, you know, to day get tough stands and say that we're going to show it to russia and, you know, bridges presses johnson that and, you know, listen so, you know, here the same thing in the united states the biden is not popular, but one thing, another thing, so it's always good to have, you know, russia, neighbors in a need. just use them policy. what's happened is what they seem to be out of sync grain. i was very happy to bring their stories. but what they kind of wanted to get with this way and get financial a military from united states but, but not this morning and not this kind of painting which derives the market gets, people are on their way. and so they are out of sync. the same thing applies to your be in countries, germany and so, and so we see that, you know, they, they,

they are trying to sort of, they're going to utilize it when they're one benefit. but there are some fractures, how it will unfold. it kind of a mason soon, but they are, they're there to be explore lanka. let me get in new york. are you covered the united nation without you don't have to agree or disagree with the positions, but where the, the, the case that the russians made the americans, the british and center where they compelling cases. because from what we know at the united nations security council, nothing was really resolved people to make their point, but they were no boats, nothing like that. it seems like the majority of sitting on the security who's more than more than happy to have that out. because the rush it got to make it case you made escapes, you pay me that's go ahead. we are so yes. so we have this meeting on ukraine on monday. it was very turbulent because we didn't know if it will happen until the last moment. norway was the president of the security council, and thanks to that,

it was easier because now russia became president and the u. s. was probably worried that they will not be able to push it forward. for what do you and i be. they said they were happy to actually have this meeting because they just wanted to . ready show the support of the cigarette, the counselor to have it because russia tried to block it in the beginning. they tried. they needed 6 members again. but unfortunately they got only 5. so the meeting was happening and all of the members are able to export their positions. but as you said, nothing, nothing was really i don't or nothing. tangible really had. it was mainly expression of position. yes ma'am. what, what was interesting is that the chinese delegation came out very forcefully on the side of russia, which if i go to alexander, is something, it's a beginning of something here, china, for many, many years. if there's going to be

a v to let the russians do it and we can abstain, you know, mission accomplish it's changing ever so slowly and center. i mean, one of the things i find really interesting about this is that finally, after so many years, 30 years since the end of the cold war, the west has to start listening to russia. i think this is a silver lining in this kind of quasi pro crisis because russia is made it's, it's a demand to know, made it very clear what they are actually wrote them out the documents and made them public. ok, it is harder and harder for the blinking than the bo jose of this world. just keep talking at cross purposes because you can just try and say, hey, it's written down right here. what do you think about that? that's the stage we're out right now. go ahead and center. well, i think so, i mean, the root of the, the problem here is that russia wants to be treated as an equal, at least in europe. you know. and the problem is that after the cold war ever since

then, the worst, the street, russia as a, as a little brother issue like right, you know, the last, the cold war. and so essentially any concerns or they have forget about it. and it's interesting that you mentioned china as well because that demonstrate i sure that we no longer live in a unit of the world, you know, we have a multiple the world. and that's why i'm saying, look, things are different. now, you know, this is not the 1090 anymore. we have concerns. you have concerns. let's actually work together and create a new european structure. yeah, european security structure. that's essentially what to try to do. i think you create in many ways, it's almost like a, like a point like, you know, the symptoms to this problem. yes. keep going on. yeah. it's a problem and it's being used by the west try essentially and show that russia is not able to develop. and it's all based essentially, right, but russian wants to use ukraine to demonstrate. ready that things have changed now, and there is a new kind of world, or if you like,

and you multiple order. and that's what i was just trying to say. and then the question now is, who will listen? you know, is, is it the side that is understandable, the fact that russia has security concerns or other of those that are kind of stuck in the kind of cold war mentality or the post obama galaxy where the thing or russia has no right? essentially, to try to say what it, what it wants, you know, what america is, go back to boston here. the, the mother of all sanctions. and there will be terrible consequences all of this language here. but it's people that say that really don't know personally, don't know what they're really talking about because particularly since they've been starting with the financial crisis in 2008 and then the sanctions as a result of the 4th regime change in kelvin, 2014, russia is essentially made it so bullet proof to all of the sanctions here. sanctions have had very little impact on economic growth there. the tiny, tiny bed for the most part,

the average citizen doesn't know that western policy makers don't seem to understand them. or they understand that if sanctions are applying it's, they're european allies that are pay the highest price. go ahead, vladimir. so, you know, it's all american politicians is in bulletproofing for them. they declare sanctions russians, indian spray european spray, and they look like a winners in for american breast. and that sort of, you know, why not push it. so and the press, unfortunately, what bugs me about the just observed in a situation here is they unify, you know, one hopes that some thoughtful people are going to go on the stage apartment thinking about it and taking the rational concern seriously. but what appears on the surface is just the same story, but warning them where i want to slap a sanctions, we should not listen to them. they just try to buy much more that they can chew. and some say in voices like, for example, this,

and they the chief in germany who sort of in august on question they actually shut down. so it's the prize in the unified, in terms of media and in terms of do unified sort of kind of a flow of information is just the same thing. so what one really wonders when is this kind of bologna, which is a battle by this media stops and with some so people actually sing, what will be back of the sanction? how will the germany, with all the friends, with what will happen in the europe, russia start delivered in yes, all together. you know, we're fine here in boston, but let, let them freeze europeans is kind of so i don't know who is actually united states thinking they're not on tv. they're not unless media media just as amount of, you know, news about, you know, russian. yeah, it was, it's one of the things that, again, you know, the way this media i'm griffin, in a way from, in my opinion,

is that in and alexander is already mentioned. it is that, you know, they're talking about ukraine security concerns, though it is not a member of nato. the u. s. it is not going to send troops to ukraine to defend ukraine. the u. k. as essentially said the same thing away. she said, we don't want anything to do with this. bulgarian says, we don't really want to have anything to do with the french president comes out and we, you should have a separate dialogue with russia. and then the german chancellor says, we need what a, what a fresh start with russia. so i mean, who is listening to whom here? because if you listen to the general general secretary b, nato. dalton, burton says, nato is unified. well, that's simply not true. ok. i mean, the think if there was a plan, it's not out very well. that's why i said in my introduction, you will, will washington in london prevail? because not everybody's reading from the same script. go ahead in new york. yes, i have been talking to some of the diplomats and as you said,

the position does not seem to be united as spoken to with europe in western diploma . they seem to like a bit differ from the american side, which is really like here pushing sort of again, super in against russia. on the other hand, europe seems to be a little bit more reserved in this. and i think we could see it also in 2008 when germany and france, they sort of locked the membership of your brain and ga, in nato. and i think sort of last year and this trend is still the bit here. and of course, based on the outside, they seem to stop or do united states, but it's those like behind the closed door down a little bit more cautious actually what they do and it's yeah, i like center that it's very curious to me on the outside. you know, yes, we're all allies and we do believe in all of these principles. but when you get

down to the nitty gritty, they say what's in it for us here. i mean, because look, i mean, if you look at the history of nato expansion, it's basically been cost free. it's been cost free for the countries to get into it because there was no real threat. but the more to keep you keep the alliance meaningful, relevant, you have to keep expanding, but when you keep expanding, you're going to come in, meet a threat because russia does not see nato is a friendly alliance. and so you have this country, ukraine that wants to get in, and then also everybody has all my goodness, nato could be a target. all members of nato could be for a target. and then, you know, we didn't sign up for this was supposed to be cost 3. you know, they were supposed to be, you know, we, we were going to be the, the greatest alliance and history that never has to fight a war. now that reality is coming home, go ahead. i wonder, well, i think a whole size if you try and doesn't join nato and i didn't use the credit. so because 1st of all, for you, can it be terrible? because i would mean essentially there is always a danger that there was some kind of a confrontation with russia,

which would damage your crank economy if it's a psychological, just challenging those thing that there's a good be a war around the corner. it's bad for, for europe because it also have to live with that with that kind of mentality as well. and a lot of things about, for russia as well. so, for most people and for most countries are actually better. if you grad, she said, look, we will not be joining nato. and i think that the world and you create, especially when you start toward actually developing the country, it's economy and actually building better dies a here we have to go to heartbreaking out that are great will continue our discussion on some real estate with our team. ah, a few different good, this is a good start. well, we have our 3 banks all set up here. maybe something in europe, something in america, something overseas in the game. and i want to know all these banks are complicit in there to give a call and say, hey,

i'm ready to do some serious money. wonder ok. let's see how we did. well, we've got a nice laundry watch for stacy beautiful jewelry. and how about a bill again for mag, you know, what, money i don't want to it's an open secret that private military companies have been playing a role in arm conflicts. world wide. u. s. government doesn't track the number of contractors and uses in places iraq or afghanistan, the united states army and the military in general. so reliance on the private sector, i would call the dependency, but we don't know who's the on the ground presence of these companies overseas. we just don't out west and private military companies can in their turn, views, so cool subcontractors from countries with trouble pass the chances a quite good that they had also been child diligence processes. i was a child as a,

as in my job professional joe is. he's with the full moon, when full quote is when i said that with, with no flow minimum own wall shit, which are in to be merciless killing machines. now they fight and die in other people's was people carol, lot one or a dead soldier or dead marine shows up in this country and then we start asking ourselves, why did they die? why, what were they fighting for? nobody bothers asked about that contractors. oh, welcome to cross stock. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah,

it was going back to alexander. i was going to be forward to the break. you're trying to finish your point. you have the opportunity to do that right now, please do. yes. as i was saying, it's better for you crane, especially if it doesn't join nato for the reason. i wish i outline, but i also should just mention that the point about not being a threat to rush. i mean if you're not a lot of them on so circles now. what is known for century, you know, it doesn't really make any sense any more. you know, because if it's not a threat to russia, then why does it keep moving forward? you know, in many ways. but it does also come back to the point of just understanding concerns of each nation. i just want to bring quickly the point of an example of when russia tried to sell the missiles to iran in 2020. i mean, does states start to threaten with sanctions? you know, they're, they're an absolute about now. why?

because they have certain national interest. that's fine, that's understandable. and therefore rochelle so has the interest related to ukraine. so it should be a level playing game and it's not right now and that's the, the chrysler problem. so let me think, what is this really all about? because it seems to me, it is much more kind of a, a psychological hint. there was a problem. we have a right to expand it. that's what it gets down to. and you should, you have, you're not, you, you should not be allowed to say no to us. is this what it's getting down to because everyone on this program is in agreement here. i mean, it's compromising the entire security architecture of europe. if one country cannot enhance is security at the expense of another that was enshrined in the helsinki final act that everybody agreed to. and now, you know, no, it doesn't why. i mean, this is very selective here, and is, is alex and you just said to us, is that what is the purpose? i mean, what, how is it a defensive alliance needs to expand that don't expense,

defensive alliances maintain what they have already. vladimir, you know, well, they have a structure architecture in place and you know, people, when something works, they don't like to change it in a way. i think americans, i should have been, if it is a great deal on cold war or they were in charge of things that were generally be able to do. there is a danger and, you know, go to the origin. so nato and all this in europe. remember what they said, you know, the cube, russia out and germany, and i think americans in, in the americans, this is and you know, the more look at it, it's given the minute germany wants to assert something. they call the washington every monday. they still have american movie, there's basically, you know, russians with license with room germany level. the whole thing started there

with eastern germany there will promise is not to spend a minute and i don't do the state they spend, you know, but when you listen to, you know, west and you say, what was it when russia come in, there will be rational left half of you just go ahead do what you join the journal and you can do well, a sort of don't rush out and i think it works for them. and somehow, as russians are trying to address it in a tension, but i think all the, all american establishes are used to move in the you know, i brought up in past programs the historical parallel of the cuban missile crisis. and in this, in, from the russian perspective, big least, this is the cuban missile crisis in reverse. ok,

i will remind our audience that kennedy told krista, if you don't remove those missiles, we will. and this is exactly what the russians have gotten themselves down to saying, look, we're giving you advance. notice you put a intermediate range missiles on you cranes border pointing us. we have no choice but to react. we have to protect our sick, national security. this was the same argument that kennedy made with crew show. and going to be said, you can talk about somebody, you can talk about alliances until the cows come home. but those missiles are pointing at us, ok, we will do something about it. why can't the diplomatic a class is that were, why can't they understand that analogy to this in the present moment? go ahead in new york. so here i think for them it's difficult to sort of talk to each other because when you center the security council, it's bunch of statements are yelling at each other with their state,

but it's not really a dialogue the ones they wanted to have the close meetings to sort of allow this kind of dialogue and to have more privacy and expressions and not to have this prepared statements from the capitals, but the u. s. didn't want that. so i have not seen them really talking to each other. they're basically just after once talking to the reporters and as i have spoken to them, they even say they don't meet each other a privately are because of this reason. so only if there are some very in a group together. so it seems very, very slow on this. and currently there have been a big discussion about their, this 100000, the soldiers which the u. s. and iraq has been talking about then today and yesterday, russian ambassador, he had his press conference here and he was answering this to direct orders that he

has no idea where this number is coming from. so they really don't have this kind of dialogue to get, or at least here on, is it a, an hour ice? essentially, alexandra, i'm glad that lincoln brought up this number thing, you know, 100145, whatever 100000 troops. and they're talking about that are deep inside, brush it on the border of ukraine. however, it's never spoken about how the ukranian army has 125000 troops on the line of contact of the don bass. that is never mentioned there. ok. russia is not telling me, will you be creating an army what it should do inside of ukraine? why would it ukraine? but the western world seems to feel it has the right to tell russia what to do with its military within its own borders. alexander. yeah, well you know, as we have been talking about 11 thing i remember it was back in, i think 2012, the hillary clinton who was the secretary of state, but then she actually commented on the eurasian economic union. specifically saying,

look, the key for the states is to ensure that it doesn't expand, especially the doesn't survive or something along those lines. you know, the actually, the 2 steps to ensure that happens to ensure that you train doesn't join, which would have been a massive win for russia. and ever since that they're just kept going and trying to basically provoke russia into making mistakes and making mistakes, which would then allow the west to sanction them. so it's interesting to know, for example, how many lethal weapons have been provided to ukraine over the last you know, months, for example, even, you know, the u. k. has done so already despite the fact that the u. k is struggling economically following the, the pandemic. i'm sure the money would have been wise is spent inside the country in the u. k, rather than in the grade book. fine. but the point is, even when russia is talking about lessening the engagement of western powers. will ukraine even during the point, has continues to provide lethal aid?

so you crane again. imagine if russia contin to do that with iran, for example, lisa late provide a to, to run, you know, you can imagine what kind of a response that they will. ready be so the point is, i think there are different interest among the western countries where we spoke about, i think for the united states, it's all about keeping rush down. well, i think it was in europe. i think the rest of the circles do want to have a better relationship with russia. but unfortunately for now, united states because of that, 100, not planning in late given the, the legacy of the cold war. it's just that it gets down to the following for me, is that russia in the eyes of western western leads, they lost the cold war and there are consequences for losing and you have no right to be treated as an equal. i mean, it gets down to that in my opinion, and plus, you know, the kind of demon is ation of russia and russians through popular culture, russia gay didn't help much. ok. i mean, it just, it,

there's no recognition of legitimate rights and that's why we have this quote unquote crisis. go ahead one or one of the things you know that it's very hard to pick up when you're states or got to pick up on any national group in any religious group or anything without some kind of pushback, except when it comes to russian russians just as a free for all, you know, well, if you can find even the rest of the day, just kind of know all they can find is limit, but they sort of give the big speeches in congress. we need to sanction before anything happened, a sentence on russia, you know, it's an engine, just, you know, everybody calls them nothing they, they should, they show. but, i mean, that's the situation from what i understand. i say, you know, chinese president is much stronger united economically, politically, whatever. so they, they do not challenge china that much. they, and forget about so many other countries. you know, i think that would be, they would say something about it. you know, the whole thing, you know,

that he says is a big scandal over the d. v personality will go over. just said something which you know, pride, john when a racial racial, racial behavior said, or no of course, wasn't about the race right away from there. but it was the russians. you can say anything, anything that goes and you know, and other items complain when i was, when normal americans with people complain, they swim to be put on boards. you know, brain was much into the brain and then i'm given legitimacy. so just any other sort of culture given a united states and probably in the well, i can well imagine the names you can call. i know what i've been called like and let me go back to you in new york, you know, doing the diplomatic beat. do you have a sense that the there a diplomatic solution, a diplomatic understanding is in the air,

or is it really way beyond that? it's going to be individual leaders and countries that aside the outcome of this, go ahead. so here in a couple months, basically wrestling what is going on in the capitals in washington and moscow. we can hear all the time that they are open to a dialogue that they want to talk to each other in their speech is it's becoming a clear shot. and i have to say that in the middle of february, we are going to have a meeting on agreement. it's going to be a regular yearly meeting. it's actually during the russian president lincoln where we're really rapidly running out of time. but don't you think that debate on mince should have happened months ago, and not that later this month. anyway, it's all the time we have want to think, i guess new york, boston and inland lancaster i want to thank you for watching is here to see you next time. remember ah

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a real possibility of privacy violation. and that's something most of us wouldn't want to wells transparent, but we must live with permanent surveillance with the headlines with, with our live on our team and western media band and the principal of leaving politics out of sport with some surprising war mongering commentary during the opening ceremony of the beijing winter olympics, russia and china jointly called on western power to stop expanding nato, saying the alliance is continued. eastwood pushes, creating tensions reminiscent of the cold war. you just come out and say this expect us just to to believe it without you showing a shred of evidence that it's actually true. the u. s. state department spokesman

grilled by journalists for failing to provide any evidence for us claim.