that came out in russia knights of plague and is about to play, got brake on a sectional ottoman island. and, you know, using sang and injury is that you pondered on this novel for 40 years and the 24 years to write it. no pandemic was inside back then you chose this topic for your book and you sort of pick the bull's eye with it isn't a coincidence or did you see clinical incidence? but i am in my mind, is busy with the subject of play for the last 40 years in my earlier books in silent house, there is a historian who's researching it. historic a lot of them played on in my right castle. they shorter book and other historical now that are the scenes of plague in a stumble. i've been thinking about a plague for 40 years because it, at the beginning i thought this is such an opportunity to talk about that. then i change my mind, it wasn't a po for another 20 years, which was a report to think about to write about to explore them. that western

perception of my part of the world or young list that they use. the visitors to stumble in $165717.00 century would drive about the turks or off the missouri muslims, as fatalist. people who don't care about, i would only believe in god, and since our faith is written over our heads, if they go to anything, they do not run away from plague. but later in the last 10 years, i thought the subject of imposition of current, you know, people say no, i don't want to do it. i don't want to do it. i don't want to use the current, you know, and that political conclusions, political consequences of resistance to tina. this is the subject of night thought play that is just published in russia. i choose that subject. and it's of course, coincidence. i was writing this novel for the last 5 years suddenly in the 4th year

there was this immense and other pun damage. there are differences though, that it would plague kills one in tree one and 3 dimes in 1655 long milan, the stumble, plagues one and 3 died while as be all no quarter, no wires kills one in the 100 and even less it now. so what you're saying, it was a kind of a what a coincidence, you know what they say, the smart people, that even the things we've seen, we haven't planned, we've planned it somewhere somewhere in our past, in our, in our unconscious app. so you wrote it for 4 years now, he had time to observe it in full swing and i'm sure you have your observation. some people say, you know, people became kinder and when became more empathic, i'm there say, oh, i got no we, we didn't learn anything like this condemning didn't change as a bit. it changed me a great. what about you? do you think you can teach us anything or humanities, hopeless?

vel. of course we are changed when we faced an earthquake, a war or to pandemic him. we definitely che. i don't think he's not. human beings have one. her one strong character. i thing of he and are characters continuously change. i am a writer. i also teacher, i think that the 1st thing i teach the students when they're writing fiction, a your character at the beginning of the novel, it has ed character a and at the end of the novel it she should or she has have a character b. and the event writing and all is organizing the events or the story in such a way that that character changes. the girl grows up, the boy was the war and soul sees how horrible life is. and when you're faced with plague, our lesser with all as your scare, you low. so saudi diety,

you learn to criticize the government, but you also need the government's help, so forth and so on. there's so much of learning education when faced with an earthquake, i have also leave earth. you also see that fragility of human life. bear dear like insects that we can die any more. you also learn about solidarity making m m, making groups respecting others rights floor. you also learn to be video, go stickle, you know, just save on, on your own life. there are many, many reactions. i can say that we can me, human beings have always the same responses. we also change but single human beings. when faced with a catastrophe, like corner wires or even deeper play, of course we are to chain. we learn 1st of all, the learn how beautiful life is,

how beautiful it is to be alive. that that's why i wanted to write a novel about plague. because death teaches us the beauties of life. i'm not always a negative writer. i also care about like tosto, like no buckle picking up beautiful details about life and making and making my novel beautiful, believable, con wincy. absolutely. if i may add from my humble opinion, your nose in many senses are also what celebrating life. and so if we look at the larger scale of things, not how it changed us individually because of course it changed me, changed you because this feel free to years is a big period of time for one person's life. but do you think are in a virus is gonna really change the course of things on a larger scale because you have to so many like parallels of past plagues in your book. but if you will look at it now, 100 is later. when really changed?

i mean, humans are fighting the worst that we're fighting before we're finding for a piece of bread. we're fighting for oil resources. lemme, lemme, do you really think are on there has been a change thing in a large scale. where look if the s corps and i was going to change human character a bit when you face it. and unfortunately, what i seen from other books, other studies i read so much or to write this novel that things change to verse when there is such an image, i'm talking about epidemic, not earth. why? because human beings in history also showed us or the 1st reactions are always the same. the government denies it than that i rumors. and then people do the lies that they don't want to die. they want to run away. or they want to get organized almost 4 when new government and evac, my novel is about making of a new state. it is a sort of a reaction for plague. mike,

the plague that i described in my novel is the plague of 1897. that started in some say in hong kong and spread to all asia. most interesting thing. some 20000000 people were killed in asia, but very few people in west that was one of the reasons that attract could me to this subject. why were asians are dying like it's like birds and why nothing happened in best? of course, the answer is very simple. because they were respecting a bit to learn restrictions of cantina and the western governments were more determined to impose cantina india, they organize human reaction to them. it be they mix with that. it's called era a red or its yellow fever. whether it, whether it's hey, or quarter,

know why this is always the same, but each country situation a different part. this or that way home. it's really interesting because this correlation of state and people and how they interact during pandemic is also the most interesting thing to encourage virus. we've seen that, you know, many governments where just at last not because they're bad government, they just didn't know how to react. you know, it's the 1st time they kind of thing. i. yes. and then people will have to pull themselves to sort of stand for themselves and it's the 3rd year now and there's this fatigue and it's still not ending. what do you think as a big visionary, that person needs not a state, but a person needs in himself to pull through this pandemic to, to get to the end. ok, then i can give you advice if your government is bad and it's not taking, my name is not imposing quite a dime strongly. if your government cares and has put

ballistic policies, saw that business is not shot, then save your own life. be an egoless. but if you're organized and the government is taking the necessary, require i'm time restrictions then follow them. that is not one single solution. but one thing i have learned from reading and thinking for many years or 2 years about this subject is humanity always wants the impossible. they 1st they say to the government, police probably you government b. they say similar to any asleep on, please don't touch my my private life, don't touch my business, don't touch my freedom. and this is an impossible contradiction. and all the media, all the newspapers are im making,

generating interest because of this contradiction. this environment is not doing enough or government is closing business where you can do similar scaling is that you have to close the business, you have to restrict freedoms. but once you begin to restrict freedoms, then a sort of unaltered tarion, undemocratic patel. italian government begins to grow up. so these are my subjects in a way, in night, so plate. mr. ben, look, we're going to take a short break right now. we're back. we'll continue talking to the best selling writer noble prize winner of hunt. bye milk. you know, want to miss to stay with us. one day a wake up probably in 2022. the dollar will have lost 80 percent of its value against other currencies around the world. big point will be at 8 or $900000.00,

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no virus is like invisible 3rd world war, right? ah, all aspects of human nature come on surface, bad and good in your observations. and we can parallel your book as well. what are the aspects of the human nature that this pandemic has brought on surface? of course again, that when we have face the dead disaster, if pyar do you want to say go or your own life, or do you want to say the life of your neighbors that am an earthquake? do you want to save yourself or your family? and when you play comes and you have it, you have to run away from your family, but people don't do it. it is. that is why i, for 40 years, i wanted to write this novel because it shows the tragic situation of humanity between helping others and say enjoying it with life or saving your life. sometimes

a voice survive. sometimes when people is survive. so there is not much meaning in this kind of about gender generalization in this kind of situation. of course, i believe in saudi that in understanding the job, my ethical way aim is to teach my readers 1st enjoy the novel enjoyed. how would i hope that suffering of the people in a way in a historical novel enjoyed the details of imposition of garden tina during the last years of ottoman empire, when in fact, russian saw coal ottoman empire, the sick people of a sick person of europe. this is what they teach us, even in turkish high school books, because turkish republic high school books looked down upon the ottoman empire and

called, took the russian side, saying that all the ones were to see people of 2 west smoke by called out by politically c isn't the great, and this novel is indiana, also a political novel about the disintegration of ottoman empire. the today turks are very proud to have the ultimate empire. i just want us to, to be mind them that look the empire, if you were ronald disintegrated in such a sad way. it's a story of decline and all 2 months over rule old bo county, middle east. they're about, we today called grady or whatever middle east that they lost, you know, how did it happen? how did they, these guys who were running, damn, what did they think of all this? these are also the side subjects, the other subjects, the rise of nationalism at the end of an empire. when the empire is collapsing,

everyone is saying, well actually i'm not, i'm, i'm, i am this, i'm started me and i am bulgarian. i am greek. i am a syrian, i am at an auto ones lost all this hub in a way, i'm a, my sentiments are close to or 2 months here. you know, i live in the stumble, my family lived in a summer. how did it feed? and i'm again putting on ottoman system on a pedestal. i just wanted to see clearly and i'm critical of auto moneys in via our getting from the government from air go on. i believe turkey should be secular and look for its future in europe. it rings the bell and it hits home when you say about the ottoman empire because a lot of people. busy in the past, so the, it territory is still the same about the, the collapse of the soviet union. i mean, they wanted to collapse. they wanted to does integrate and now that it's gone, there is a sense of, oh,

we lost somebody. yeah. maybe it wasn't that bad after all, and you brought up saying that, you know, i know little is about enjoying but enjoying other people's pain. but what i found remarkable and also a lot of parallels with what's going on reading your novel. is it how pain and suffering it exists with regular life? it's crazy, right? i mean there's a plague. it's raging. the sitting people are dying was possibly la full life just goes on and nothing is happening and it same here. jane corner virus, i mean people are dying. i have seen before noticing that yes, that, that your, your neighbor can be dying will be suffering. but you think if i want to be a good person, why don't i only save my family? i like my children and my wife so much that i don't care or. and one thing if we compare the previous funding mix, whether it's play quota or play that at all times,

even before the beginning of 20th century humanity was not educated, is that is it is now. now, not only do, let's say in turkey at that time, only 5 percent on the wanting 20 knew how to read and write and would never understand what the micro while today, people on the span. also, people look at the map and don't understand used to don't understand anything while we are educated. we see on every night a t v. what's happening in the world. and that is relatively speaking. that's why we are scared in a more exaggerated way. why do you think people so many times choose to stay ignorant with here? what we don't understand. uncertainty is one of the most difficult tests for human human side to get in knights of plague. we see people who are ignorant of this

disease and they suffer of that. but on the other hand, they oppose knowledge in every possible way and prefer to stay ignorant. and that's a paradox because i see so much of that today as well. yes, that's today sick this some, some called it, for example, trump and abuse dismissal for mation that these are the problems of twitter, facebook and old is popular or media that there is a lot of fake information. if you ask me a for me, rem as that is my ethical question is i have to ask this question. if i think that i know it, right, i should ask this question at both as a novelist and as a person, why do they choose to believe in lines? what makes them, what forces them to believe in lie? i wow, there's so many reasons you know. i also teach at columbia university new york say

a conservative family sense. he's fun to columbia. and all the professors are liberals leftist and they teach there's oh and then he found comes back and he then the wants does education to change and things. this is because of democrats all these idiots. so in the end, if this guy is not been educated, wants to be what we call false information, want balls to walk for trump. the my professor friends at columbia, all hate trump. okay. but then yes, i also don't like trump, but why do people walk for here? this never answer, half of the country. what do you think? the fact that people are much more informed now rather than 100 years ago during that plague make us stronger or does it make us more vulnerable? it makes us stronger, not, not less vulnerable in physically,

but it makes us wall notable spiritually because we see people die. we see photographs of huge cemetery burning bodies in india. trucks are passing in from in italy. when we see these things, we are scared. this is too much information perhaps, or we are happy there's information. and then i think this is the main important sentiment that i like about if you were to create a museum of this pandemic, what would it look like? what will be inside? i am a strange guy in a way i am keeping the old used mask. i'm sure this will pass, and i was told that people, hey, i deserve that. you know, this happen. don't forget all the epidemic. deadly epidemics in human

history. in the end, as the way dis will also pass it. i'm sure about that, but, but it stays it over to the stayed longer than we expected. the stumble playbook 6 is $1655.00 took 2 years, 2 summers the longer the same. so it, they always takes longer than we wish. god, please stop it if it stops but more longer after a more time, more people died than we expect. but in the end it passes away, then it vanishes. no one wants to remember it, except those who kept their masks a talk about museums in your museum of innocence. you have this thought that, you know, we're really only capable of feeling how happy we were pondering about the past. but we were never happy in the moment. 2 questions here and answer them as you wish

. why is that? so does it mean that we're only capable to be happy in our memories or not in the present life? and do you think one still pandemic passes? we can look back and, you know, maybe thing that actually was a happy time. somewhat scary. i don't think we will do that. i got the humanity will go back to me and said that was a beautiful time. maybe that was a beautiful time for people who are in those and who said, wow, i always wanted to leave my book, this book that book now i am always home as being paid by the government and doing nothing and reading books. that's great. maybe there are people like that, but you're saying about it, not that humanities, capacity not to live in this moment. in fact, you are echoing what sorta kid are diminished philosopher once said to him, unhappy person was the person who either lived in the past or in the future cannot

enjoy present. we are talking up making generalizations about humanity. i went and explore this subject a lot in knights of play. some of my characters cannot, can they dream? they think they want to exclaim, some of them enjoy moments of b, even in the times of horrible, deadly pandemic. we cannot generalize, but he is who if you ask me, i am also a not very happy person. i either or i to live in the past or right historical model or think about the future. but on the other hand, what saves me from intense unhappiness is i have the capacity to write share, my fantasies, put them in readers, put them in a format off of the novel and explain this novel, especially this one,

the right thing. this whole thing im immersing by myself spiritually in my air. a with my characters departure or their salt of voter or the doctor's hoover touching the dead people who are dying. that the mouse we're burying, or the or the orthodox priests who were busy in one our streets. i wrote all about that and, and for me, identifying my characters and writing about and thinking about that gave me a sort of capacity. i ran away from my fears because i wrote about want to wrap up with sas out of universality because you speak a lot about that you say that, you know, you driven when you write in a hope to, to bring out the humanities, you know, or salad what is a universal experience to you because this,

that for look, a novel is changed in my mind, which is about 4 people and shanty pounds, poor people in a stumble, development all shanty houses, if people immigrating from poor places of anatolia or turkey, to stumble. so it's about a poor street seller selling things, but in order to be able to write, in order to grab the what i call what you call universal side to it. i went to far a lot so rio de janeiro in brazil. and i also went to harvey that shanty town of bomb bay. and i looked, and i told before writing or as i wrote and all of my story should address these people because they have common themes. and they also different in their own way turkish problems are more comfortable or more or less up in india,

you see that they develop from the poor house to a business. in brazil, it's crime and disorder that they are older. and similar, if you care about the universal out salad, you do this kind of comparing in your mind and then right that your novel. after that i wrote that my soft plague with that spirit thinking that we all fear in a different way. but that is something to come on to all of us. mr. frank. thank you so much for this. wonderful talk. i enjoy a book. thank you. stay safe. thank you.

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