was disorganized non purpose, it just was too much going on in war zones. and there was no coordination really between the companies. and the problem was that we had all of these different private military companies running around we'd, we'd outsource too quickly. they weren't coordinated both in contract terms, but also an on the ground operational terms. so what is your answer to a problem of outsourcing? outsource more, we outsourced it to a private military company to coordinate the seem to be ideal for you as company was a huge contract. it was half a $1000000.00 or just under that. and was just soon the one of the large, big american companies would win it. but it didn't work out that way. ah paneled him spies that hit the headline a few years ago during the arms to africa for involving his old company, sand line,

but candle spies and now is developed a thriving business in private security. and he recently won that monk c 1000000 pound contract. well, 10 spices with me now. tim. good morning. what's your summary of the situation in terms of chaos or lauren? older i would advise people to go that if the measures in put in place for their protection or sound mm. contract in iraq was to have received the communication and coordination for all of the private security companies from the ground with in effect. it meant that they were a general in charge of all the private contracts. at that point, the use military was the largest military presence in iraq. if you added together all the private military contractors spice was effectively in charge of the 2nd largest unfortunately. mm

spicer is a fairly well known figure in british political and media circles. mm hm. but at the time of the award of the contract for iraq, it was awarded by a logistics contracting sell in virginia, not in iraq by a group of essentially acquisition bureaucrats who had no experience with the private military industry. no knowledge of the different players and referred to him as that british guy from, with

the, the world of private security contractor. when they heard that this company called aegis one, this contract and that the people that were working for him were so africans and not america, it was there was furious. when you're applying for these contracts, your bid will include you and your business's personal history. it doesn't say, you know, by the way, we were involved in this international controversy that almost costs a foreign minister. his job with b g 's prisons in iraq was relatively standard for you have one video which was posted on youtube from a u. g contract. i who is following that gung while playing rock music with

ah, money is with no legal actions. what type of what do your weapons in this battle in iraq? for me it's a, it's the ability to coordinate and, and continue to help the reconstruction effort. ah, very rapidly, he just became a huge company and it made tim spy sort of extremely healthy. non majority of americans now think it was a mistake to go to war in iraq. early in the iraq war, the president stood before a banner that mission accomplished 3 and a half years later, the debate is back over why the u. s. as in iraq, in the 1st place, public support for the war is falling. more americans want the troops to come home

in a brief ceremony on a base on the edge of baghdad, the united states took down the flag of its command here to mark the end of the military mission. the u. s. money starting to be pulled out of the rocky field refreshes and the industry had to go through a very complicated reset. this companies had to realize that they weren't gonna get that level of money. again. i said they had to offer different package of deals. that meant they would have to hire cheapest soldiers. lou

ah, let me one quick look order. wouldn't want them to know. you know, when i'm alone thinking more with i thought i saw a walk on the bus with. ready ready a go, i was gonna that young last on the cooking attribute and boon dimon meant what took off. so mass, i used a lot, i did to mathematics. and before i got drugs, the always use you. i see mom, you can watch anything. and if you are hardly going, sounds good at it. if i don't show anything for anything

he give you mine also, does he finish on you know yourself like yeah, if you want to say jim johnson, i went to mrs. and jim, no one's going to got thank you so much and attention to me, frank, i'm gonna need a tooth. and i think when i was just all ah

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i, [000:00:00;00] i all work undertaken by egypt is carried out to the highest standards of professional competence and integrity. our track record is extensive in our highly trained men and women are dedicated to supporting the mission and at hand with outstanding performance. when we 1st started into theater, we were briefed on peruvian and colombian guards, and the natural question you ask is, so what do you pay for these folks at the time and i'm playing off memory cells,

but i'm pretty good at that. it was about $1000.00 to $1200.00 and then, oh, i don't know, 6 months a year ago, it became gordon guards at about $800.00 a month. and we'd ask the question of security companies because of the lowest price, technically acceptable rush to the bottom is what some call it y y o gone. it's now vs provings in columbia. so we don't have a chance to get the award unless we use a guidance because there are $2.00 to $400.00 less. and now on the most recent trip, the company that is winning all the awards that had this was 1st i've heard of, well, well we've got a good strategy. we're using sierra leonean. so you asked the question so, so what are we paying forms but $250.00 a month? you know, i guess rhetorically. i don't expect an answer and you can go a little lower. can we find someone? it's like, we'll do it for boarding room. you know, that has such a terrible country that maybe they'll just go out of the country and be a free security guard. i mean, that's pretty inexpensive. i say that it sounds facetious,

but it's real. know you get what you pay for. ah, i i the original goal was not to bring soldiers or soldiers from the poorest countries on earth, but the u. s. bidding system requires that you pick the lowest better. so the became the status quo and iraq to have multiple layers of foreigners, iraqi people, for where they came from and who they fought for. so. so that would be with the colombian marines. and i say i used to be with range in the you again, as you know, came out of the, again, an army of the challenges that i was with when i spent

a month in blackwater or from pinochet's, private guard in some of these countries and known for extremely morris, whether it's columbia, sarah leon, and there's not a lot of discussion about where did your lack of so long as you're in the army and you meet certain criteria. and sometimes you don't have to be in the army to meet this criteria. so the u. s. system, and of course, any business is going to put out a specification if you can match that specification and your costs is lower than you in the job. o. in october 1962 in a period known as the cuban missile crisis. united states and then the soviet union were on the brink of war, phosphor to february 2022. and the americans and russians find themselves in

a similarly powerless situation. this time on the russian ukrainian border will diplomacy as in 1962, be enough to prevent war in 2022. you are challenged with jagger nutritional with chinese nuclear students and the are coming from dosher shakeelah. hi sharon, my name is rob with . right. yeah, that if lacroix, the summer group move, she them wholesale, moreland, kelly recording court and i renewed my for azure night issue with long didn't get to a lawyer refreshing the bathroom and i must be happy. i couldn't fathom of fat mother,

you know, fatima can think of family to ski, i simple yak here to get approved for him. um for cynthia, martha, the one that i love. thank this so you cut your costs, you make more profit, you get the soldier that you want, but you also majorly dilute. the professionalism and the effectiveness of those in the company is felt the interest different than national interest companies are problematic, says what they do natural,

except here we're not creating toys. we're producing things that result in war. the what do you do if you have somebody from the philippines working for an american, having the company in afghanistan, who tell somebody what jurisdiction does that person fall under? we don't know international law such that is doesn't really have a category for arm civilians. the so somebody government's including the british and the government decided to start creating international norms and standards of how these probably most likely should

behave. ready kind of contact was instigated or started by switzerland and the international community a group of companies in n, joe's and states got together. and they formulated a sort of a self regulatory car to contact these companies. so companies would sign up to this code promising they would not violate it, they would not commit human rights, atrocities are not committed, war crimes, etc. so you can point to wow, representatives of a couple of nations. and oh, by the way, the private military themselves got around a table in switzerland and they agreed about good norms to aim for her to contact you not work. the idea that a company would voluntarily confess crimes if committed abroad. just why would they

do? the reality is that most golf clubs have more enforcement mechanisms than these kind of documents. i and about 15 countries, i've been involved in programs to reintegrate children who are served in armed forces or it's a contradiction in terms on the one hand western countries of pump large sums of money into the reintegration of former child soldiers. but now we have governments like the u. s. supporting the so called security companies that recruit people and continue their exposure to violence and cement their identities as perpetrators of violence as soldiers that make it impossible to ever reintegrate into civilian life

. ah, now i was in there i was. it was my drug professional drug is weapon. ah ah! at one time when the rockets came in tor come it kill a lot of glacial fantasies. ours on top of our look in there we are. the exclusion has taken place. i think about swallowing when people are dying on the street. the explosion is sticking out all over the city. and at any time how to going to show how to bomb or whatever explosion. i think about my

going to what happens. yeah, before ah, putting groceries in iraq. d, a 1st team for iraqi more stated and intended to come for force. wow. she's done very many member. so deceased. well, i mean what to happen in shit. i know. i know people running into come in came didn't come fighting for what i all right so i say around and try to for anita.

ah. i feel easy. i didn't. i don't use it. no. it's not a good one because a one in douglas and has makes me kick off with. ready me and they seem like an actor for well as not young people unfairly and have no jobs are desperate to feed themselves and their families and result is that it becomes harder and harder to ever find their way back into civilian life and a plant seeds of violence wherever they go. well we always remember wanting, i'm my stuff, my wife, when she, when i, when i have a wife one, i should continue with

a weapon because i'm fully functional. which mean i can do anything with the former child soldiers have been trained to take pride in their skill and their ability to, to kill people. i think it's a fiction to claim that they are somehow stable, that they can self regulate as well known that young people who have extensive history of violence and being fed drugs and manipulated over time they develop problems of impulsivity high levels of aggression. it becomes very difficult to change the mindset it's spacious to say that they've been carefully selected or that they're, that it's safe to hand them a gun and expect them to do a quote, professional job. i spend my

life working to aid the rehabilitation and the regression of young people. and it pains me see my own government supporting the behavior so called security companies . you know, we pride ourselves on being a moral people trying to do the right thing. what we're doing is we're exploring people using young people who've been child soldiers, deliberately sung them into the jaws of combat and further violence. nothing could be worse for these young people. nothing could be worse for security. when there's a close connection between this industry and policy makers. mm. mm. these private military firms really poach a retired general officers and admirals from the armed forces. i because they have connections in my case really nice. and i mean,

i only have the bathroom by 2 spread. mm. ah ah ah, i see. to see shoes. it's real. no, you get what you pay for. mm. ah, 5 stretching street will continue to act

full governance. you're going to see private companies literally engaging in warfare. these are companies that are interesting out countries, data companies of bro, how many these companies that listed on oust office and fundamentally if your citizen of democracy and your government takes action that you don't agree, you can vote that government town if a company or from the old countries doing something you disagree

with with people. carol lock one dead soldier or dead marine shows up in this country. we start asking yourself, why did they die? why do what were they fighting for? nobody bothers asked about the contractors. all who cares? mean there's nobody going to die and come home in a body bag at denver, or dover, or whatever. ah, every american who serves, joins an unbroken line of euros. i'm on my, their sacrifice ah,

meaning get them in and i haven't done i my food. my doing kind of a coming to them. you implementing keep the handle. who did he got in on, on what they needed godaddy. ah, no one protest in the street civil contractors kill ah, ah, country still exercises its foreign policy. the use of force and violence in these 4 regions is using proxies, contractors, 3rd country nationals, and in obscuring their role. ah,

you think that you can get somebody from here? we can sit, it's really your money. it's your tax money doing it, but making sure the politicians from ah, private military contractors make a decision to go to war a lot easier. ah. as part of ending a war responsibly, his standing by those who for the oh um

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what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even foundation. let it be an arms race move is on often very dramatic or development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, is very critical. time time to sit down and talk join me every thursday on the alex simon, sure. and i'll be speaking together from the world of politics, sport, business, i'm sure business. i'll see you then. this is all smart city. is a city that's using technology to make people's life easier, happier, collecting a lot of data to try to improve the way things are in theory, these big organizations that are now amazing and pulling all that data together. they're not looking at yours and individual necessarily. people's data being

collected or so much data that there's a real possibility of privacy violation. and that's something most of us wouldn't want for the world transparently, but we must live with permanent surveillance. with among the stories that shaped this week. russia closes the moscow office of german broadcaster due to valor after berlin slaps a ban on artistic channel r t. t. western media abandoned the principle of leaving politics out of sport with war mongering commentary. coming to the forest evasion winter olympics began. russia has a mass more than a 100000 troops on 3 sides of ukraine. u. s. officials have written severe sanctions so at least 6 children are killed in heavy fighting in north west syria