a day every turn around that traffic circle with the influx of contractors went largely, uncontrolled by yosemite wasn't disorganized non purpose. it just was too much going on in war zones. and there was no coordination really between the companies. and the problem was that we had all of these different private military companies running around we'd, we'd outsourced too quickly, and they weren't coordinated both in contract terms, but also an on the ground operational terms. so what is your answer to a problem of outsourcing? outsource more, we outsourced it to

a private military company to coordinate the seem to be ideal for you as company was a huge contract. it was half a $1000000.00 or just under that and was just soon the one of the large, big american companies would win it, but it didn't work out that way. oh, paneled him spies that hit the headline a few years ago during the army to africa for involving his old company sand line. but general spies and now has developed a thriving business in private security. and he recently won that monk c 1000000 pound contract. well tim spices with me now. tim. good morning. what's your summary of the situation in terms of chaos? oh lord over. i wouldn't advise people to go that if the measures in put in place for their protection. i'll sound mm. contract in iraq was to oversee the communication and coordination for all with the private security come in the grant with

in effect, it meant that they were the chamberlain charge of all the private contracts. at that point, the u. s. military was the largest military presence in iraq, but if you add together, all of the private military contract is spice. it was actually in charge of the 2nd largest unfortunately. mm spicer is a fairly well known figure in british political and media circles. mm hm. but at the time of the award of the contract for iraq, it was awarded by a logistics contracting sell in virginia. not in iraq by a group of, you know, essentially acquisition bureaucrats who had no experience with the private military

industry. no knowledge of the different players and referred to him as that british guy from, with the world of private security contractor. when they heard that this company called aegis one this contract and that the people that were working for him were south africans and not america. there was, there was furious when you're applying for these contracts. your bid will include you and your business's personal history. it doesn't say, you know, by the way, we were involved in this international controversy that almost costs a foreign minister. his job

beach is presence in iraq was relatively stand free of one video which was posted on youtube for each is contract i who is a finite gung while playing rock music with no legal actions. what type of what do your weapons in this battle in iraq? for me it's, it's the ability to coordinate and, and continue to help the reconstruction effort. ah, very rapidly, he just became a huge company. and it made tim spy said extremely healthy. non

majority of americans now think it was a mistake to go to war in iraq. early in the iraq war, the president stood before a banner that said, mission accomplished 3 and a half years later, the debate is back over why the u. s. as in iraq, in the 1st place, public support for the war is falling war americans want the troops to come home. in a brief ceremony on a base on the edge of baghdad, the united states took down the flag of its command here to mark the end of the military mission. the u. s. money starting to be pulled out of the rocky freshness and the industry had to go through a very complicated reset. those

companies had to realize that they weren't gonna get that level of money again. i'm so they had to offer different package of deals. that meant they would have to hire cheapest soldiers lou monday with no, no minimum own mall in walk with. ready ready yeah, night going was gone at that young the okay. i have to go to boom and mental what

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professional competence and integrity. our track record is extensive and our highly trained men and women are dedicated to supporting mission at hand with outstanding performance. when we 1st started into theater, we were briefed on peruvian and colombian guards, and the natural question you ask is, so what do you pay for these folks at the time? and i'm playing off memory self, but i'm pretty good at that. it was about $1000.00 to $1200.00. and then, oh, i don't know, 6 months a year ago, it became a garden guards at about $800.00 a month. and we'd ask the question of security companies because of the lowest price, technically acceptable. rushed to the bottom, that's what some call it y y o gone. it's now vs provings in columbia. and so we don't have a chance to get the award unless we use the gardens because there are $2.00 to $400.00 less. and now on this most recent trip, the company that is winning all the awards that had this was 1st i've heard of, well, we've got

a good strategy. we're using sierra leonean. so you asked the question so, so what are we paying forms but $250.00 a month? you know, i guess rhetorically. i don't expect an answer. can we go a little lower? can we find someone that's like we'll do it for boarding room. you know, that has such a terrible country that maybe they'll just go out of the country and be afraid, security guard. i mean, that's pretty inexpensive. i'd say that it sounds facetious, but it's real. know you get what you pay for. ah, i i the original goal was not to bring soldiers or soldiers from the poorest countries

on earth, but the u. s. meeting system requires that you pick the lowest bidder, so that became the status quo and iraq to was multiple layers of foreigners. i reckon as these people for where they came from and who they fought for. so some guy would be with the colombian marines, and it's a i used to be with marines. you know, the uganda is, you know, came out of the, again, an army of the chileans that i was with when i spent the month of blackwater, rural from pino shay's private guard. and some of these countries are known for extremely brutal wars, whether it's columbia sierra leone, and there's not a lot of discussion about where did your letters so long as you're in the army, and you meet certain criteria. and sometimes you don't have to be in the army to meet this criteria. so the u. s. system, and of course, any business is going to put out a specification. if you can match that specification and your costs is lower than

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pretty than it truly was a very dangerous thing with me. so you cut your cost, you make more profit, you get the soldier that you want. but you also majorly dilute. the professionalism and the effectiveness of those. so the company is self interest, different than national interest companies are problematic, is what they do natural. except here, we're not creating toys, we're producing things that result in war. the

problem what do you do if you have somebody from the philippines working for an american trade company in afghanistan, who tell somebody what jurisdiction does that person fall under? we don't know international law such that it doesn't really have a category for arm civilians. so several governments including the british and the last government decided to start creating international norms and standards of how these problems with me should behave in russia kind of contact was instigated or started by switzerland and the international community a group of companies in

n. joe's and states got together and they formulated a sort of a self regulatory car to contact these companies. so would sign up to this code promising they would not violate that they would not commit human rights atrocities or not to make war crimes, etc. so you can point to wow, representatives of a couple of nations. and by the way, the private military themselves got around a table in switzerland and they agreed about good norms to aim for to conduct not work. the idea that a company would voluntarily confess crime. it's committed abroad. why would they do? the reality is that most golf clubs have more enforcement mechanisms than these kind of documents i

and about 15 countries, i've been involved and programs to reintegrate children who are served in armed forces or it's a contradiction in terms on the one hand western countries have pump large sums of money into the reintegration of former child soldiers. but now we have governments like the u. s. supporting the so called security companies that recruit people and continue their exposure to violence and submit their identities as perpetrators of violence as soldiers that make it impossible to ever reintegrate into civilian life . the now i was going to see i was

a child. my drug professional drug is weapon. ah, ah, at one time window kits came into our camp at killer laura, crucial process. i was in touch with tara looking now we have the exclusion has taken place. i think about so anyway, when people are dying on the street, the explosion is sticking all over the city. and at any time how to go short had a ball or what shave i, explosion. i think about my going to what happens. yeah before. ah.

when brought with the 1st teams what iraqi more stated and intended to become for force a should very many member so dishes to well i mean what to have them insured on your machine. i don't know people running in to come in can come guy fighting for what i would like to want to run and try to for anita. ah, i feel uneasy. i did. i don't use it. no, it's not a good one because the one in douglas,

and i'm just as makes me a check up with the issues me may seem like an act, a friend, well as not young people unfairly on have no jobs are desperate to feed themselves and their families and result is that it becomes harder and harder to ever find their way back into civilian life and a plant seeds violence wherever they go. well, we don't always remember one thing, i'm my stuff, my wife. so when i, when i have a white one, i should be in control when you're not in the work. because i'm full on tunnel. which mean i can do anything with the former child soldiers. i've been trained to take pride in their skill and their

ability to, to kill people. the, i think it's a fiction to claim that they are somehow stable, that they can self regulate as well known that young people who have extensive history of violence and being fed drugs and manipulated over time they develop problems of impulsivity high levels of aggression. it becomes very difficult to change the mindset it's spacious to say that they've been carefully selected or that they're, that it's safe to hand them a gun and expect them to do a quote, professional job. i spend my life working to aid the rehabilitation and the regression of young people. and it pains me see my own government supporting the behavior so called security companies . you know, we pride ourselves on being a moral people trying to do the right thing. what we're doing is we're exploring

people using young people who've been child soldiers, deliberately sending them into the jaws of combat and further violence. nothing could be worse for these young people. nothing could be worse for security. me. there's a close connection between this, this industry and policy makers, me private military firm. this really poach, retired general officers and admirals from the armed forces because they have

connections in my case to recognize enemies. i formally have measured by ah, [000:00:00;00] i say that it shows that it's real know you get what you pay me. ah, the church street will continue to act for government. and you're going to see the private company between engaging in warfare me companies that are registered in our country,

either companies on our money new companies that allows us to fundamentally if your citizen and your government take selection that don't agree with, you can vote that government town is a company or from the old countries doing something. you disagree with a people carol lock. when

a dead soldier or dead marine shows up in this country, we start asking yourself, why did they die? why do what would a fighting for? nobody bothers asked by that contractors all who cares? me? there is nobody going to die and come home in a body bag at denver, or dover, or whatever. ah, every american who serves joins an unbroken line of heroes. i'm on my there sacrifice. ah. meaning if i look, i'm my food, my doing kind of

a coming down unit. come in and keep the handle. who did he got in on, on the what? the meeting id ah no one is in the st. civil contractors kill. oh, i, i still exercises is foreign policy. the use of force and violence in these foreign regions is using proxies, contractors, 3rd country nationals, and in obscuring their role. oh, i, you think that you get somebody from here. we end up with kids,

but it's really your money. it's your tax money doing it. but make sure the politicians are in trouble. ah, military contractors make a decision to go to war a lot easier. ah, that's part of ending a war responsibly is standing by those who fought the oh um ah,

i me, ah, me in me, in on, ah, algorithms and neural networks have been following us everywhere. we look online because our relationships are what matters most us. and that's how we find meeting and how it makes sense um, are place in the silicon valley. see,

don't mention in that slick presentations. however, all the ghost workers who train the software humans are involved in every step of the process when you're using anything online. what we're sold, as is, miracle of automation behind your screen. it's a long rouble workforce that feeds algorithms for next to nothing. on a very good day, i could do $5.00 now. a really bad day. i could do $0.10 now. he's workers are invisible by design, it's about labor costs, but it's also about creating layers of weston responsibility between those who solicit this kind of work and need it. and those who do it a wrong one. i just don't know. i mean you world yes. to see how

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