we investigate where the millions of americans back home now face disenfranchisement under jim crow, 2.0 plus on us national black h i v aids awareness day and as we m j l g b t month in the u. k. who is the pioneering david stewart of soho, and what can we learn from the 40000000, with a j, v to protect us from corona virus. all of them all coming up in today's going underground at 1st is the us celebrates black history month. the very voting rights of martin luther king junior described as being the foundation stone of political action and seemingly being chipped away, adding to the arguable erosion of american democracy with the spectre of jim crow haunting the ballot box. those americans who issue exercise their democratic rights faced with malcolm x is binary choice of either the ballot or the bullets. joining with your answer that question is dr. jason nichols, award winning lecture of african american studies of the university of maryland college park. the host of vents and jason save the nation, speaks with me now from ellicott city in maryland. thank you so much, jason, for coming on this talk here of wag the dog when it comes to ukraine bars. johnson

under trouble in big trouble here. politically, joe biden releasing pictures of him, of various described a massacre otherwise described as the killing of it, isis leader. all the women and children apparently have been killed, and of course, biden deploying thousands more. us soldiers across european union countries against russia is biden wagging the dog. i think i, you know, joe biden, to this point i, a lot of the posture hasn't been as bad as, as i was afraid that it may be in the sense that i, i think ukraine people were here were afraid. and there were people who are warmongers on, on cable news here in the united states were talking about the possibility that we could have a war with russia and looking to intervene on behalf of ukraine. i think that ju

biden's been somewhat careful in saying that look, any kind of retaliation for an invasion of ukraine, which i don't think is going to happen. will be economic and economic sanctions, which i think is a fair response and a measured response. i think both sides have to have to speak tough. i think you're not going to see vladimir putin back down and, and i don't think you're going to see joe biden. speak softly. but i think behind closed doors, there probably are, you know, for duct, somewhat productive negotiations. and, you know, we know that russia is, is doing things like putting more troops of bella roofs. so, you know, as a party were invited, of course, they were invited there and you're saying it isn't so bad. he is deploying thousands the troops and actually threatening sanctions. and i don't know how many countries in the world, the united states now sanctions, obviously i will hunt the average russian man,

woman and child of sanctions or not. i mean, they're considered economic warfare. yeah, no and, and again, i think number 11 of the things that we need to recognize is that the world is already at war in terms of cyber wars and everybody's, you know, interfering with one another sometimes interfering in their elections. these things are going on constantly between nations while at the same time, their style simultaneously working together. so i, i think that, you know, when we look at economic sanctions, i think the russians have been pretty clear that this isn't going to break them either. they have a lots of cash. they have lots of reserves in the short term, economic sanctions are not going to break them. but i don't think that russia is going to invade ukraine, which will avoid a lot of the sanctions that the state department is talking about. but i'm also, and what's wrong with your cable news like you were just talking about,

given that there's so much of it is having rolling news, saying and, and is in fact biden's pentagon that has been saying and then it dropped the wood imminent invasion by russia that was abiding administration would. i think there was lots of question to the state department, the bus few days about why they've dropped eminent. was it a mistake that they said imminent and jo, cable news channels. i mean m s, n, b, c. as on the other ones, i mean putin is like hitler and they're going to invade and there's gonna be well, 2 or 3. 1 of the things that happens a lot in our cable news here in the united states, as we love to compare people to hitler. and i think that that's offensive on so many levels. we like to compare things to slavery. we like to compare things to hitler in these kind of hyperbolic ways. and i think that that's a mistake. i do, i, you know, do i think that vladimir putin is always, you know, in the right? absolutely not, but i think a comparison with him and, and hitler i think is,

is miss gaiden. i'm you having said that, i biden hasn't said that directly to, it's really offensive to russia. huge last 20000000 fight to fighting it 7. i mean, you have been on the murder, fox news channel, tucker carlson. do you not find it odd that you have agreements more arguably with took a call soon on fox news. as regards a, a threats to a war and what it would mean for the people of this planet. then you would on a democrat leaning nbc type channel. yeah. well, so i have to be clear that there are a lot of disagree with. i have with tucker carlson on a lot of issues. i don't want to make it feel like we're kindred spirits in that regard. we are friendly. i definitely think that most americans, it's just the warmongers on cable news and the people who benefit even if it's challenge, actually through writing about it. because they're the people that talk about war

as if it's, oh, it's just a thing and we can just go to war with everybody. i think americans are tired of war. we were war for 20 years and it netted us nothing. it did nothing for the american people. all i did was traumatized. a lot of our service men and women. it didn't. it did nothing for our economy. we lost billions upon billions of dollars, trillions. actually a wall street wall street went up. i mean, obviously, all the military companies and the companies involved in the occupation of afghanistan, that alone, iraq, if we don't think about the 10s of millions killed wounded to a displays, they made a lot of money, didn't lose it. some people in new york made a lot of money act, and i'd say that that's a very small limited group. i think the vast majority of us, you know, including myself who have family members, are this the costs either with lives or with psychological trauma that comes from war. it certainly wasn't worth it. i wasn't worth it to watch even, you know,

maybe my stock pro portfolio go up and i don't invest in those companies, but i think it's, it's been something that's been a traumatic drain upon the american people. we're done with war. we don't want war . um, you know, i think initially when we like to think that, you know, we're defending democracy or we're trying to do something good. and i think a lot of americans came to see war for what it really was. and so i think then by noon so smartly does not want to go into another war. i think he wants to avoid that. i don't think he wants to be the president that leads us into another serious conflict. will you see, you know, some actions happen just like you saw under the last administration or the trump administration? yes, but i think that a war and particularly a war with russia would be catastrophic. not only for the united states,

not only for russia, but for ukraine, and everyone in the region, just like the war in the middle east, was a wars we had in the middle east was our catastrophic for that region. and that region is still trying to rebuild from the things that we did. we had some photographs of pulling down statues of saddam hussein and all of that. and all i did was destabilize the region and cost more lives, a raise more homes. and we don't, you know, american people now, me and he, joe biden, was the architect was an architect of the iraq war. yeah. no, he was, he was part of it. but i think again, you know, after 20 years, how many of you, i mean, everybody was a part of that everybody kind of advocated for it that was in the south. and jason, i don't know. i said that when i was in government at the time with the exception of barbara jordan, she was not bar. would you or i'm sorry, beverly barbara lee was the only one who stepped out and said, why don't we take

a breather? you know what i mean? before we go into iraq, i mean, you just said about democracy fighting with crazy, what is all this? i mean, you've been tweeting about it, and biden has been trying to do something about. and i mean, did, you know, the whole point of the american revolution was to have to bow because he, what do you mean? you know, you have democracy there at the moment is, is that way? there is a need for freedom to vote acts and the john lewis voting rights act. yeah. and i think that democracy on so many levels and, and from so many directions is, are under threat right now. and i, you know, you say job, i'm so trying to do something about it. i'm saying he's not doing enough. i think that there's many, there are many things that he could be doing. and i think though, the powers of the president of the united states are vast. if there's anything we learned from the trump administration, is that the powers of the presidency, our, our, our vast and, and there are many things that he could do or potentially try. i think maybe,

you know, some things will be struck down in the courts, but that doesn't give a whole lot of people a lot of confidence. and he just started to make this a priority now. and now that they realize his popularity is down and he's probably not going or he's going to suffer major losses of midterms. now it's a priority. it should have been a priority from the very beginning. when people, particularly in the african american community, were saying that we should be doing something about this. and i really over here and hotly presumably do badly at the mid terms. partly because he may not be executive ordering voting rights act because of course, african americans and disproportion democrat. yes. um yes, but at the same time i think that i'm african americans, they don't necessarily many african americans. they don't see republicans as a viable option. but what they will do is if you don't start to fight for the

causes that are going to benefit, african americans have benefit working class people. what they will do is sit on their hands. and if they feel like, you know, nihilistic about voting. because you haven't fought for them and you haven't used every resource at your disposal to do it, then they don't come out and they don't turn out and then you suffer major losses. so i think, ah, joe biden needs to take every effort to secure voting rights. in addition to many other things that he should be doing is joe biden, actually anti racist? i mean, you're saying that he's delaying the voting act that would help african americans a vote for him in the mid terms. famously joe biden said that obama was the 1st mainstream, african american who is articulate and bright and clean. and his self declared mentor was a ku klux klan, former exalted cyclops. sen,

tara robert byrd. i mean this is joe widens background, let alone his sponsorship of the mass incarceration 1994 crime act. yeah. well, 1st of all, i don't know how much time we have. we go into some of the misunderstandings, at a $94.00 crime bill, which was deleterious, but it was not the cause of mass incarceration. the cause of mass incarceration was the 1986 anti drug abuse act, which he also voted for. but if he was not the architect of many elements, actually it has to be fair to joe biden. here many elements of the $1094.00 crime bill were pushed for by bill clinton and were actually opposed by jo vine which includes 3 strikes. that was something that joe biden is on record as saying was wacko. bernie sanders, also who i supported bernie sanders. it was against the $94.00 crime bill but voted

for it. why? because it was some behemoth bill that even had the voted, excuse me, violence against women act. now, politically, it would have been suicide to vote against the violence against women act. i think, joe, why do i think joe biden is not doing more right now? i think part of that i is, and you're right about some of those quotes. of course, joe biden is a 78 year old white dude and in the united states of america. and he has, you know, some views. interesting press. yeah. well, interesting friends and, you know, i, i would say that all the alternatives, you know, unfortunately in the united states with a lot of our politics, i think we have a lot of leaders that have said things are done. things bad, i think are pretty terrible. talk to jason nichols,

i'll stop you there more after this break. plus on us national black h i v aids awareness day. will there be a vaccine against h? i v. affecting nearly 40000000 people after the success of vaccines against covet. all of them all can we have about to have going undergrad ah, you should with money money directly. we sell advertise as content to us and decide who sees what content when and how much of it. facebook claims that these algorithms are there to learn about our specific preferences. actually this is untrue than a shapely preference. is to morrow the person finds a fake point, legit video when it saying the flat,

then this content ranks. huh. little at least 20 percent or maybe even 40 percent or 30. that is truly was a very dangerous thing. ah, ah. mm. welcome back. i'm still here with the award winning lecture of african american studies at the university of maryland college park, dr. jackson. nichols. why did you quote, is black history month?

the why did you quote the poet, reggie gibson, as americans we actually hate history. and what we love is nostalgia and i should say, of course, frederick douglas. i think that's why it's in february in the u. s. favors the say said i have no patriotism. i cannot have any love for this country or it's constitution. yeah. so i think there are a lot of things we can say about that. well, in terms of the quote i'm with, you know, the gibson quote. basically we like to create narratives in this country. we like to create this narrative that on the united states, any problems we have, we fix that every that. ah, we establish this democracy. that if it's not perfect, it just gets more and more perfect as time goes on. and that, you know, racism ended with dr. king, you know,

we like to create these narratives. instead of understanding that history is hard, history is difficult, and we need to confront our history in order to create a more perfect union and, and to bring justice to every community in this country. and a lot of us don't want to reconcile with our history now at a we're at a point where republicans are actually trying to ban books, you know, and not just any books. we're talking children's books about rosa parks and about dr. king or anything that that mentions racism because we don't want to confront our history, which again, keeps us from confronting our present. we don't love, we don't love history. our history is, is beautiful and it's ugly. you know, i mean countries arguably is of the i will, i maybe in black history, whether it was a good a and with that then critical race theory, of course, being with all the good joys are these people are not educated. that they don't

understand the books about martin luther king junior and critical race period. all these things are very different to howard. they've learned about them. i've confusing it with woocommerce silicate of shallow attempt at language changes when it actually comes down to the mass killing of i don't know, millions of native americans said alone, the african american slave trade. yeah, i think one of the things about our this discussion about so called critical race theory. a lot of them are saying, well, it may make our children feel bad when actually racism itself is documented to have deleterious effects like depression and anxiety for children of color. but obviously we don't value this is part of the discussion. we don't value a black and brown children the way we value others in this country. so, so,

so what may happen, you know, which again are, there's no evidence that it's actually happening. you know, it's something that we would value over things that are literally documented and studied. i think it's important to make better citizens for us to acknowledge what's happening throughout our history and our, and our present 3 of my own ancestors that i can trace, we're lynched in. and we need to actually tell that ugly truth. doesn't blaming anybody from the past. anybody from the present for the past? with that saying, is that we need to address, we need to acknowledge to pass so that of course, as cliches of may sounds, we don't repeated. um democracy anywhere is not. you know, we make it seem like it's always sturdy. it is fragile. and um, we have to have knowledge of our history knowledge of our democracy, knowledge or the ways that we've undermined our own ideals in order to keep from

doing it again in a future. dr. jay's nichols, thank you. thank you. i know it's a u. s. national black h i v aids awareness staying in the past few days. cove vaccine maker medina has begun. trialing m r n a vaccines against h i v, which currently infects nearly 40000000 people around the world. joining me now from london as the executive director of aids map matthew odds and dedicated to educating people on the continuing h i. v. aids epidemic. thank you so much, matthew for coming on. but before we even talk about all of that, i really wanna ask you about your a friend, david steward, accredited with being a pioneer. he credited with inventing the term chem sex, which led to therapies, the being concentrated on that which hadn't been before and being a pioneer of mental health from a grassroots level. just tell me to a wide audience who he was. well, i mean, he was a, he was a friend of mine,

so it's awesome. you know, the 1st thing that i say is, and he's a great person, is the person who's full of kindness and compassion for, for his fellow people. but in particular, the gay men, he had a really difficult childhood. and when he came to london, i mean it's on the record. he worked as a sex and then he got very heavily involved in drug use and also in selling drugs. and he was arrested and then he turned his life around to be dedicated his life to reducing the interest, i say with sex. and as you mentioned, i mean he actually originates the term, can sex. that was a time when they were, we were seeing a lot of these kind of quite terrible impacts as a result of people using i specific drugs to enhance the sex they were having

a term. and he says, the pretty sure he invented isn't entirely certain because he was hired to talk. i mean it's a lot of just sexual health clinic in london. what about this clinic in soho, not of london. so that he is being involved in 56th street, a lot of sexual health clinic in europe and was really exciting about 56th street is they have a high, a nearing approach in terms of working with the community to actually become something with the people want to be associated with if you go in the way to room has chandeliers in the most extravagant walker you can imagine. and so if it comes to friendly and inviting atmosphere and when that's one of the things that david was like very keen on. so he created like spoken word, evenings, community events, that let's talk about gay sex and drugs. and people get out and they were to sing a song where they just talk about their experience or form piece of drama. but it

gave the and so you know, to see, to share their experiences and perhaps learn from each other. and i think that's what was really vitally, wasn't just about kind of treat people. and you can give them that nations or anything like that. it was very much about listening to people and giving them the opportunity to share the experience and perhaps deal with some of the trauma that some of them were dealing with. i mean, i'll give you a, it's an indictment of sexual health policy internationally, then that something like that should be so rare. i don't know. i mean, tell me about aids map in the context of 40000000, around the world, having it and why it's so it's really just so slow. the j v. vaccines as compared with co, with some element of prejudice against l g b, t q plus people. what, what are the, what's the context here? well, so i work for about when we provide information about the 2 ordinances internationally, by that information for people living with h i v,

including myself and also for health care providers and commissioners and all sorts of professional people around the world. so that people can be better, informs information, empower people that helps make better health choices for themselves. and that relates to treatment and it relates to prevention. and h, i v vaccine has be a really tough nut to crack. and, and there are reasons for this. i mean, it's typically challenging bars is much more challenging for us than cove it to find the vaccine for because it people, if they are infected with most people will actually be able to shake it off naturally. whereas with ha, once you have a chevy, as yet, there is no kill, you will not be able to shake it off. what we have, of course, now is really we have treatment, which is the effect of treating it. but, you know, we haven't got to the stage of being able to cure yet,

nor to find the vaccine. an additional talent to find the vaccine for each of the now, of course, is because we can treat it so well. it's much harder to create that population of people which you can try the vaccine on and see, observe the results. because if you know that people of hon then you, we can offer them credit or some other means to prevent them requiring h i, b. and when we treat h i, b, it ceases to be transmissible by a sex. so actually, the better we treat a few infections we get. this is why we often talk about the treatment cascade. because when people are diagnosed and if they can access treatment and if they go and treatment, not treatments effective, they won't pass the virus on during sex. and so that's one really powerful way of

combating h i v. but it does make some of this vaccine development a bit trickier because we're not seeing the same rates in populations which were observed as we used to. and of course it affects like other diseases, disproportionately people who are less wealthy. we've had a oil on this show, the 1st m p i to actually say is h i v positive in the chamber here. but i understand the figures. it's showing that it's actually rising a foster amongst heterosexual community. no than in the l g p, q plus community, a chevy? well, i mean, when all depends on which region you're talking about. i mean, what we have seen in the u. k. is the drop in new diagnoses amongst gay and bisexual men have been much more rapid than the drops and new diagnoses amongst hedge sexual communities. and part of that again, is this treatment is prevention. actually, we can't recall n u k. we are actually pretty much leaving the world and tell us our treatment

cascade because we are now at 95 percent of all people living with h i. they have been diagnosed and $0.99 treatment. so there are any, well with those my next step cheats on treatment, 97 percent of those to the point where they cannot out of our song because you were seeing these dramatic drops where it is among communities where testing rights are as high and so gained by 6 men because we really can get that information out there and reach people fairly easily that we're getting really, really, really good testing. right. the problem is, is that someone's got undiagnosed h, i a and they're on aware of it. not only does that mean they can pass a chevy on during sex because they're not receiving treatment. but it also means that the health impact on them when they say, well, it's like most eventually if they get l,

are going to be that much more severe and it may be much more difficult to turn it around and actually take their lives. we're very lucky in the u. k. we think the huge numbers of that the u. k. and the mall because we're so good at detecting h i b and treating h i v. but that's not the situation on the global level. because global level, it's 680000 people die, they try to be good. i still miss in the last year and 27 percent of people who are living with still not accessing treatments. matthew watson, thank you. that's it for the show will be back on wednesday one year since the 2nd impeachment trial for then u. s. president trump began before being acquitted 4 days later until then keep in touch with our social media and let us know if you think it's taking too long for an h i. v vaccine to be developed ah,

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a tonight, you divide deep and on russia is the french president troubles to moscow for talk. so this lady may have posted those talks, continuing into the late hours, myoma chrome notes, the kremlin, quote, clearly not targeting ukraine, but rather to re this is nate. so and you ties with a russian official branch of the country 70 percent ready to invade. ukraine is us propaganda is saying it's based on officials. undisclosed source is a no evidence in the latest in a series of accusations, of alleged russian aggression being held on a daily basis. in other news, canada's capital the close, the state of emergency claiming the cities under siege by protest as venting their anger against cogan vaccine mandate or to his police.