night frances present micron here in moscow fridge and talks with the russian leader more on the outcome of that. so in the coming, i was no a story breakthroughs to summit up or anything new thus far on the table. but intense talks with all parties to continue. that's the way things are looking this hour for may and the tape. very good morning to you. i mean, ah, i'm after that as you know, what's going on the ground coming up with the show democracy exists in the usa as joe biden dispatches, thousands of soldiers to european union countries for

a potential war with russia. we investigate where the millions of americans back home now face disenfranchisement on the jim crow, 2.0 plus on us national black h i v aids awareness day and as we m j l g b team up in the u. k. who is the pioneering david stewart of soho, and what can we learn from the 40000000, with a j, v to protect us from corona virus. all of them all coming up in today's going underground with 1st is the us celebrates black history month. the very voting rights of martin luther king junior described as being the foundation stone of political action and seemingly being chipped away, adding to the arguable erosion of american democracy with the spectre of jim crow haunting the ballot box. those americans who wished to exercise their democratic rights faced with malcolm x is binary choice of either the ballot or the bullets. joining with you on to that question is dr. jason nichols, award winning lecture of african american studies of the university of maryland college park. the host of vents and jason save the nation, speaks with me now from ellicott city in maryland. thank you. so jason feronda

coming on. this took care of wag the dog when it comes to ukraine, boris johnson under trouble in big trouble. you have politically, joe biden releasing pictures of him, of very she described a massacre otherwise described as the killing of a nicest leader. all the women and children apparently have been killed. and of course, biden deploying thousands more. us soldiers across european union countries against russia is by them, wagging the dog. i think um, you know, joe biden, to this point um, a lot of the posture hasn't been as bad as, as i was afraid that it may be in the sense that i, i think ukraine people were here were afraid. and there were people who are warmongers on, on cable news here in the united states were talking about the possibility that we could have a war with russia and looking to intervene on behalf of ukraine. i think that jo

biden's been, are somewhat careful in saying that look, any kind of retaliation for an invasion of ukraine, which i don't think is going to happen. will be economic and economic sanctions, which i think is a fair response and a measured response. i think both sides have to have to speak tough. i think you're not going to see vladimir putin back down and, and i don't think you're going to see joe biden and speak softly. but i think behind closed doors, there probably are, you know, for duct, somewhat productive negotiations. and, you know, we know that russia is, is doing things like putting more troops of bella roofs. um, you know, i, as a partner invited of course they were invited there and you're saying it isn't so bad. his dribbling thousands of troops and actually threatening sanctions. and i don't know how many countries in the world the united states now sanctions,

obviously i will hunt the average russian man, woman and child of sanctions are not. i mean, they're considered economic warfare. yeah, no and, and again, i think number 11 of the things that we need to recognize is that the world is already at war in terms of cyber wars and everybody's, you know, interfering with one another sometimes interfering in their elections. these things are going on constantly between nations while at the same time, their science simultaneously working together. so i think that, you know, when we look at economic sanctions, i think the russians have been pretty clear that this isn't gonna break them either . they have a lots of cash. they have lots of reserves in the short term, economic sanctions are not going to break them. but i don't think that russia is going to invade ukraine, which will avoid a lot of the sanctions that the state department is talking about. but i'm also,

and what's wrong with your cable news like you were just talking about, given that there's so much of it is having rolling news, saying and, and is in fact biden's pentagon that has been saying and then it dropped the would imminent invasion by russia that was abiding administration would. i think there was lots of questions in the state department, the bus few days about why they've dropped eminent. was it a mistake that they said imminent and new cable news channels? i mean m s, n b, c. and that is on the other ones. i mean, putin is like hitler and they're going to invade, and there's gonna be well, 2 or 3. 1 of the things that happens a lot in our cable news here in the united states, as we love to compare people to hitler. and i think that that's offensive on so many levels. we like to compare things to slavery. we like to compare things to hitler and these kind of hyperbolic ways. and i think that that's a mistake. i do, i, you know, do i think that vladimir putin is always, you know, in the right? absolutely not, but i think a comparison with him and, and hitler i think is,

is misguided. i'm you having said that, i biden isn't and said that directly to is really offensive to russia. huge loss, 20000000 fight to fighting it. so, but i mean, you have been on the murder, fox news channel, tucker carlson. do you not find it odd that you have agreements more arguably with tech, a call soon on fox news as regards the, the threats to a war and what it would mean for the people of this planet. then you would on a democrat leaning nbc type channel. yeah. well, so i have to be clear that there are a lot of disagree with. i have with tucker carlson on a lot of issues. i don't want to make it feel like we're kindred spirits in that regard. we are friendly. i definitely think that most americans, it's just the warmongers on cable news and the people who benefit even if it's 10 generally through writing about it. because they're the people that talk about war

as if it's, oh, it's just a thing and we can just go to war with everybody. i think americans are tired of war. we were war for 20 years and it netted us nothing. it did nothing for the american people. all i did was traumatized. a lot of our service men and women. it didn't. it did nothing for our economy. we lost billions upon billions of dollars, trillions. actually a little street wall street went up. i mean, obviously, all the military companies and the companies involved in the occupation of afghanistan, that alone, iraq, if we don't think about the 10s of millions killed wounded to a displays, they made a lot of money, didn't lose it. some people in new york made a lot of money act, and i'd say that that's a very small limited group. i think the vast majority of us, you know, including myself who have family members. this the costs either with lives or with psychological trauma,

that comes from war. it certainly wasn't worth it. i wasn't worth it to watch even, you know, maybe my stock pro portfolio go up and i don't invest in those companies, but i, it's, it's been something that's been a, a traumatic drain upon the american people. we're done with war. we don't want war . um, you know, i think initially when we like to think that, you know, we're defending democracy or we're trying to do something good. and i think a lot of americans came to see war for what it really was. and so i think that biden smartly does not want to go into another war. i think he wants to avoid that. i don't think he wants to be the president that leads us into another serious conflict. will you see, you know, some actions happen just like you saw under the last administration or the trump administration? yes, but i think that a war and particularly

a war with russia would be catastrophic. not only for the united states, not only for russia, but for ukraine, and everyone in the region, just like the war in the middle east, was a wars we had in the middle east was our catastrophic for that region. and that region is still trying to rebuild from the things that we did. we had some photographs of pulling down statues of saddam hussein and all of that. and all i did was destabilize the region and cost more lives, a raise more homes. and we don't, you know, american people know me and he, joe biden was the architect was an architect of the iroquois. yeah, no, he was, he was part of it. but i think again, you know, after 20 years, so many of you, i mean, everybody was a part of that. everybody kind of advocated for it. that was in the south that jason, i don't know. i said that we now was in government at the time with the exception of barbara jordan. she was not bar which or i'm sorry,

beverly barbara lee was the only one who stepped out and said, why don't we take a breather? you know what i mean before we go into iraq? i mean, you just said about democracy fighting with him. crazy. what is all this? i mean, you've been tweeting about it, and biden has been trying to do something about. and i mean, did you know the whole point of the american revolution was to have democracy? what do you mean? you know, you have democracy there at the moment, is, is that way or is a need for freedom to vote acts and the john lewis voting rights act. yeah, and i think that democracy on so many levels and, and from so many directions is are under threat right now. and i, you know, you say job, i'm so trying to do something about it. i'm saying he's not doing enough. i think that there's many, there are many things that he could be doing. and i think though the powers of the president of the united states are vast. if there's anything we learned from the trump administration, is that the powers of the presidency, our, our, our vast and,

and there are many things that he could do or potentially try. i think maybe you know, some things will be struck down in the courts. but that doesn't give a whole lot of people a lot of confidence and he just started to make this a priority now and now they realize his popularity is down and he's probably not going or he's going to suffer major losses of midterms. now it's a priority, it should have been a priority from the very beginning. when people, particularly in the african american community, were saying that we should be doing something about this. and i really over here and hotly presumably do badly in the mid terms. partly because he may not be executive ordering voting rights act because of course, african americans and disproportionate democrat. yes. um yes, but at the same time i think that i'm african americans, they don't necessarily many african americans. they don't see republicans as

a viable option. but what they will do is if you don't start to fight for the causes that are going to benefit, african americans have benefit working class people. what they will do is sit on their hands. and if they feel like, you know, nihilistic about voting. because you haven't fought for them and you haven't used every resource at your disposal to do it, then they don't come out and they don't turn out and then you suffer major losses. so i think joe biden needs to take every effort to secure voting rights in addition to many other things that he should be doing is joe biden, actually anti racist? i mean, you're saying that he's delaying the voting act that would help african americans vote room in the mid terms. famously joe biden said that obama was the 1st mainstream, african american who is articulate and bright and clean. and his self declared

mentor was a ku klux klan, former exalted cyclops. sen, tara robert byrd. i mean this is joe widens background, let alone his sponsorship of the mass incarceration 9094 crime act yet. well. first of all, i don't know how much time we have. we go into some of the misunderstandings, at a $94.00 crime bill, which was deleterious, but it was not the cause of mass incarceration. the cause of mass incarceration was the 1986 anti drug abuse act, which he also voted for. but if he was not the architect of many elements actually have to be fair to joe biden. here many elements of the $1094.00 crime bill were pushed for by bill clinton and were actually opposed by jo vine which includes 3 strikes. that was something that joe biden is on record as saying was wacko. bernie sanders, also who i supported bernie sanders. it was against the $94.00 crime bill but voted

for it. why? because it was some behemoth bill that even had the voted, excuse me, violence against women act. now, politically, it would have been suicide to vote against the violence against women act. i think, joe, why do i think joe biden is not doing more right now? i think part of that is and you're right about some of those quotes. of course, joe biden is a 78 year old white dude and in the united states of america. and he has, you know, some views. interesting brass. yeah. and, well, interesting friends. and you know, i would say that all the alternatives, you know, unfortunately in the united states with a lot of our politics, i think we have a lot of leaders that have said things are done. things that i think are pretty

terrible. dr. jay's, nichols, i'll stop you there more after this break plus on us national black h i v aids awareness day will ebay vaccine against h. i v. affecting nearly 40000000 people after the success of vaccines against cove . it all of them all coming up about to have going underground. ah ah, i driven by dreams shaped banks, printers and those with dares sinks. we dare to ask

oh, when i was showing wrong, when i was just a shape out disdain because of the african and engagement, it was the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look so common ground. ah, welcome back out to celia with the award winning lecture of african american studies at the university of maryland college fog. doctor jason nichols. why did you quote is black history mother? why did you quote the poet, reggie gibson, as americans we actually hate history, and what we love is nostalgia and i should say,

of course sir frederick douglas. i think that's why it's in february in the u. s. a . favors the say said i have no patriotism. i cannot have any love for this country or its constitution. yeah, um, so i think there are a lot of things we could say about there won't rent in terms of the quote, i'm with the gibson quote. basically we like to create narratives in this country. we like to create this narrative that on the united states, any problems we have, we fix that every that. ah, we establish this democracy. that if it's not perfect, it just gets more and more perfect as time goes on. and that, you know, racism ended with dr. king, you know, we like to create these narratives. instead of understanding that history is hard, history is difficult, and we need to confront our history in order to create

a more perfect union and, and to bring justice to every community in this country. and a lot of us don't want to reconcile with our history now at a we're at a point where republicans are actually trying to ban books, you know, and not just any books. we're talking children's books about rosa parks and about dr. king and anything that, that mentions racism because we don't want to confront our history, which again, keeps us from confronting our present. we don't love, we don't love history. our history is, is beautiful and it's ugly. you know, i mean countries arguably is of the i will, i maybe when black is she, whether it was a good a and with that then critical race theory, of course, being with all the good joys, are these people not educated that they don't understand the books about martin luther king junior and critical race period. all these things are very different to

howard. they've learned about them. i've confusing it with woken, a silly kind of shallow attempt at language changes when it actually comes down to the mass killing of i don't know, millions of native americans said alone, the african american slave trade. yeah, i think one of the things about her this, this discussion about so called critical race theory. a lot of them are saying, well, it may make our children feel bad when actually racism itself is documented to have deleterious effects like depression and anxiety for children of color. but obviously, we don't value this is part of the discussion. we don't value black and brown children the way we value others in this country. so, so, so what may happen, you know, which again, are there is no evidence that it's actually happening. you know,

it's something that we would value over things that are literally documented and studied. i think it's important to make better citizens for us to acknowledge what's happened throughout our history and our, and our present 3 of my own ancestors that i can trace, we're lynched in. and we need to actually tell that ugly truth. doesn't blaming anybody from the past. anybody from the present for the past? with that saying, is that we need to address, we need to acknowledge the past. so that of course, as cliches of may sounds, we don't repeated. um democracy anywhere is not. you know, we make it seem like it's always sturdy. it is fragile. and um, we have to have knowledge of our history knowledge of our democracy. knowledge of the ways that we've undermined our own ideals in order to keep from doing it again in the future. dr. jay's nichols again. thank you.

no, it's a us national black h i v aids awareness staying in the past few days. cove vaccine maker, medulla has begun. trialing m r n a vaccines against h i v, which currently infects nearly 40000000 people around the world. joining me now from london as the executive director of aids map matthew odds and dedicated to educating people on the continuing h i. v. aids epidemic. thank you so much, matthew for coming on. but before we even talk about all of that, i really want to ask you about your friend david steward credited with big a pioneer e. credited with inventing the term chem sex, which led to therapies, the being concentrated on that which hadn't been before. and being a pioneer of mental health from a grassroots level, just tell me to a wide audience who he was. and i mean he was that he was a friend of mine, so it off stamps. meaning, the 1st thing that i've saved, he was

a great person is the person who is full of kindness and compassion for, for his fellow people. but in particular, the gay men, he had a really difficult childhood. and when he came to london, i mean it's on the record, he worked as a sex worker and then he got very heavily involved in drug use and also in selling drugs. and he was arrested and then he turned his life around to be dedicated his life to reducing the homes that are associated with chem, sex. and as you mentioned, i mean he actually originates the term, can express that was a time when there were, we were seeing a lot of these kind of quite terrible impacts as a result of people using i specific drugs to enhance the sex they were having. but they didn't have a term and he says, the pretty sure he invented the term. he isn't entirely certain because he was hired talk. i mean it's

a lot just sexual health clinic in london. what about this clinic in soho in the heart of london? so that he is being involved in 56th street. it's a lot of sexual health clinic in europe and was really exciting about 60th street is they have a high engineering approach in terms of working with the community to actually become something which the people want to be association. if you go in a way to room house chandeliers and the most extravagant or you can imagine. and so if it comes to friendly and inviting atmosphere and when that's one of the things that david was like, very keen on. so he created like spoken word, evenings, community events. let's talk about gay sex and drugs. and people get out and they were to sing a song where they just talk about their experience or form piece of drama. but it gave the community, you know, to see to share their experiences and you have to learn from each other. and i think that's what was really vitally,

wasn't just to treat people and you can give them vaccinations or anything like that. it was very much about listening to people and giving them the opportunity to share the experience and perhaps deal with some of the trauma that some of them were dealing with. i mean, how give lead to the indictment of sexual health policy internationally then that something like that should be so rare, right? i mean, tell me about aids map in the context of 40000000, around the world, having it and why it's so it's being so slow. the j v. vaccines as compared with co, with some element of prejudice against l g b, t q plus people. what, what are the, what's the context here? well, so i work for it's about when we provide information about the 2 ordinances internationally . i don't see where that information for people living with h i v, including myself and also for health care providers and commissioners. and

all sorts of professional people around the world so that people can be fashion forms, information and how is people that helps to make better health choices for themselves and that relates to treatment and it relates prevention. h i be back seen has been really tough nut to crack. and there are reasons for that. i mean, typically challenging bars is a much more challenging virus than code it to find the vaccine for because people, if they are infected with kobe, most people will actually be able to shake it up naturally. whereas with h i, b, what do you have h, i b as yet, there is no kill, you will not be able to shake it up. what we have, of course, now is we have treatment, which is a effective of treating it. but we haven't got to the stage of being asked to cure it. yes. nor to find the vaccine. an additional challenge to find the vaccine for each of the now of course is because we can treat it so well. it's much harder to

create that population of people, which you can try to fax, you know, and see observed results. because if you know that people of hon, then you, we can offer them credit or some other means to prevent them recording h i, b. and when we treat h, i p, it ceases to be transmissible by a sex. so actually, the better we treat, ha, the few infections we get. this is why we often talk about the treatment cascade. because when people are diagnosed and if they can access treatment and if they go and treatment naturally, they won't pass the virus on during sex. and so that's one really powerful way of combating h i v. but it does make some of this vaccine development a bit trickier because we're not seeing the same rates in populations which were observed as we used to. and of course, it affects like other diseases,

disproportionately people who are less wealthy. we've had lloyd russell oil on this show. the 1st m p i to actually say is h i v positive in the chamber here. but i understand the figures are showing that it's actually rising a foster amongst a heterosexual community. now. then in the l. g. b, q plus community, a chevy? well, i mean, when all depends on which region you're talking about. i mean, what we have seen in the u. k is the drop in new diagnoses amongst gay and bisexual men have been much more rapid than the drops and new diagnoses amongst hedge sexual communities. and part of that again, is this treatment is prevention. the actually we get recalled in the u. k, we are actually pretty much leaving the world and tell us all treatment cascade because we are now at 95 percent of old people living with h i. they have been diagnosed and $0.99 on treatment. so we're well with

my, my cheese on treatment, 97 percent of those to the point where they cannot part of our assault and quoted you because you were seeing these dramatic trust where it is among communities where testing rights are as high and so gained by 6 men because we really can get that information out there and reach people fairly easily that we're getting really, really, really good testing. right. the problem is, is that someone's got undiagnosed a and they're on aware of it. not only does that mean they can pass on during sex because they're not receiving treatment, but it also means that the health impact upon them when they say, well, like most, eventually if they get l are going to be that much more severe. and it may be much more difficult to turn this around and actually take our lives. we're very lucky in

the u. k. we think the huge number of deaths that new k anymore. because we're so good at the texting h i, b and the treating h r a. but that's not the situation on the global level because on the global level, it's $680000.00 people die and they tried to relax stillness. and last year and 27 percent of people who are living with 8th, still not accessing treatment. matthew watson, thank you. that's it for the show will be back on wednesday one year since the 2nd impeachment trial for then u. s. president. trump began before being acquitted 4 days later until then keep in touch, why will not social media and let us know if you think it's taking too long for an h i. v vaccine to be developed ah, a

with president putin and president micron have wrapped up there 5 our meeting focusing on new ways to find stability in europe. a russian official brands us claim that it is 70 percent ready to invade ukraine, as american propaganda stressing it is based on un named officials, undisclosed sources. and no evidence is the latest in a series of accusations of alleged russian aggression being curled on a daily basis. in other news, canada's capital declares a state of emergency, claiming it is under siege from protesters venting their anger against coven vaccine. mandates ottawa police threatened to arrest anyone providing material support to groups of truckers conducting a blockade. as part.