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well come to the alex salmon should we look at the political direction of a divided usa for some r g, a nightmare for others. so declared a reincarnated marlin in the film excalibur. however, the sentiments could equally well encapsulate the range of opinion in a polarized america, on prospects over tom come back. why and how does pays angel team have been in the white house for just over a year? but a year that's a very long time in politics. while the new teens ratings with universally negative, the political prospect for the former present, they drummed out of office, are looking increasingly positive. so could there really be

a comeback when we speak today to medical experts on both ends of the political spectrum? professor kenesha grant of howard university washington under martin is present after it raises the vote amount back 1st to please i miss visit and response i should last week on whether the over convenience is a blessing in disguise. to dr. onto the sea from pretoria. maybe murphy says, what's a lovely doctor this lady is, i'm so glad that she sent her the message. she said, there's very enlightening. these hawks is interesting to hear from the south african doctor too often the me get never revisit a story after the initial breaking news episode at a point that medical research and policy becoming divorced from hands of practice applies to so many ages of life. it leads to so many of life. and finally, amber says the task. sure that covered all my questions are we're pleased to hear it. now over to alex, the professor kenesha grant of highway university on high heated the dangers of

a company bible. and what the consequences would be. professor grant, welcome back to the alex solomon show. i'm happy to be back with you. but when we last spoke just over a year ago, looking forward to know the ration when there was a lot of hope for the incoming administration and a lot of good will. now a year later, sauce pulling is almost universally bad for the bible administration. what's gone wrong? jill madden ran on that idea that he would bring america back to some kind of stable and sacred ground. but what he found was that it was impossible because he had major challenges in the united states congress. and so americans are not particularly informed about or paying close attention to some of those challenges that have happened between the house of representatives in the senate. and so they have expectations about things that we're going to happen that didn't happen and

they don't have a clear message from this white house about why those things didn't happen or whether those things might happen in the future. but if the central difficulty of identify is if not good, lot them very, very difficult to congress. that doesn't seem like it's going to get any better with the the midterms coming up at the end of this year. far it could get decisively was designed as a whole patrol for the recovery of the bible ministration. it could get decidedly worse. and most of the things i'm reading these days suggest a republicans will pick up more seats in the house of representatives, which will make it more difficult for democrats to do the little bit of work they have been doing in that space. i think it's possible for him to get some things accomplished, but he will have to maybe the case that the american people are sounding the alarm and they absolutely want particular things. and as they are pressuring their members of congress to get those things done, one example, i think we can point to is the pause of student loan payments in the united states

. that's a thing the joe biden promised he would do, and he was doing it. it was happening before he came into office as a result of the call that relief funding. and it's something that they talked about ending during his presidency for financial reasons. but there was such a large outcry among the american student loan payers about their inability to pay in their own willingness to pay the he had to change his tune on that. and so i think he's hoping that the same thing will happen for other types of issues across is agenda the last press to to plug in to such low poll rating so quickly was george w bush. and his political fortunes were revived by 911. the phone was, is there any indication that the covington ministration, the muscular policy towards china, russia looking for a start and strike survival in their functions? i think that americans are pretty weary. and so i would,

i would hope that they are not looking for that. i don't know that the american public would understand a conflict with china or russia as a thing that will be good. it will be something that will bring us together, obviously, but i don't know that the by the administration would be pursuing that for necessarily political reasons ahead of mid term or ahead of a presidential election. instead. i think what they're hoping is that we're actually near the end of the pandemic as we're experiencing in the united states. and i think that they are hoping that by the time we get to the next presidential election, we are living with our mass. we are back to having major concerts and other types of things where people gather in large numbers and that people feel so good about being back to their normal lives that they will be willing to support democrats more sold in a military approach to drumming up that good will vice president, how it seems to be having a pretty rough time. what do you put that down to? is that prior to this in the media against, against women against women of color,

in particular, all us, some indication that her boss, the president, is not giving the vice president the, the best of all of truth is to shine think it's a little bit of both before she even went into office, there was criticism about various aspects of her life. and she wore the way she spoke how her hair looks. and so we knew going in the she will face those kinds of things and we knew going in that it would be difficult for some members of the press to know how to come to her, that they might not cover her in a hard hitting way. that's about the work that she's doing, but instead be covering her in a way that is more attentive to gossip and other things that we hear around washington. and so i think that is absolutely happening in this instance. but i think the other thing that you mentioned is also happening. she had a very difficult portfolio. and so you can imagine, holla harris, who was the senator from california who was among the most liberal senators in the united states senate, being responsible for immigration policy. and having to go to the border and tell

people who were coming to the united states do not come. those are in a very precarious situation where she has to deal with some of these issues that nobody else wants to handle. and so i mentioned immigration, i'm thinking here again about something like voting rights or many of the other very difficult issues in american politics that would have been difficult for anybody but certainly difficult for a black woman, a south asian woman who is also dealing with having a media that doesn't really know how to cover her at this time. well, let's just say that. so you got a call in the next few days, professor brown from the vice president's office saying, you know, restaurants were made in the han come in to give us some advice. what advice would you give as an academic and politics to, to the vice president, to recover that ground, that there's been loss? i will give her the advice that we need to hear more from her in the role of the vice president to support the president and kind of be in the background. and given

the low numbers of popularity among this president, i think it might be useful for her to bolster their image. i think they could use some of the goodwill she came into the office with as a way to help herself. and again, she has a balance seeming like she might be too ambitious with her support for the president. but i think for sure, we need to hear more from her about the work that she's doing. on the day to day, instead of having that information funneled through media sources and i think she has to be given some of the feel good things in government that are happening as well. and so, for example, we, i was reading about the number of black women judges that have been appointed to lower courts in thinking about were ahead of this decision that will be made about a potential black woman just as of the supreme court. and so that kind of thing that feels good, we know the administration is delivering on his promises. i would encourage her to

be a part of those things and to talk directly to the people about the work that she has done to make those things happen. let's look at the functions of the asked while president trump. i mean, how surprised are you that a year after being traced from office in disgrace? the former president is low. the book is favorite to be the next president. i can say, i'm surprised. i think that i was actually surprised that he didn't win reelection given the climate of the united states. and so i am not surprised that people who don't like the way that they think the president is operating. we'll be looking for an alternative. and i think the further we get out from moments, from political moments, the easier it is sometimes for people to forget where we just came from. and so i can't say that i'm very surprised. what i am interested though to see is how the republican field emerges. i know that there is a governor from florida. his name is rhonda santis who was increasingly popular

among republican circles. and so is going to be the case. they trump has a bit of a run for his money and keeping the republican party broadly defined together. of course, there are people who still support him and support him very well. but i think that this other person de santis in this instance, maybe some people we don't know about yet, might have the ability to pick off some of that support and might have the ability to make it less likely that he would get re elected. but i think in a joe biden, donald trump, masha, it'll be a lot of work for the democrats to convince people that they should stick with joe biden, because they haven't seen what they wanted to see from him for people, for a democratic persuasion. lucy of the whole, the president still hostile, the republican party of these people hoping them general that somebody else like the governor comes to to challenge donald trump alternative lu. thank you.

well, just about the only republican we could beat on the couple circumstances as a polarizing figure. like president trump, there are some people who are never comfortable with trump and would like to see the republican party go a different way. and so they might be interesting to kind of sneak away from trump or to do things that are different from what he did. there are some people like mitchell connell and lindsey graham, who were taking positions that are separate from donald trump. and so we see that it is possible to have some differences, but i think the question is wide open about what direction that will go in the governor of florida who i mentioned is a very polarizing figure. and he is like a new val trump. he is maybe a little bit further to the right in a little bit more extreme in his approach than donald trump is. and so it could be the case. then what we end up seeing is a person who is like trump 2 point. oh, i think that again, then there are some people in the republican party who would whole been. there is

an individual who represents the republican party who is maybe trump inspired, but not as rough around the edges as trump is. and so it just remains to be seen how their party is going to sort of self. but as long as there is a unify base of people behind donald trump, and as long as he is endorsing candidates for office who go on to win their elections, he will have a hold on the republican party. that's undeniable. those things are all still happening. he's still raising lots of money and so he will continue to be something that the republicans and democrats have to be very, very careful about. because his time as a leader, as a president, people and my are and their party is far from over. so want them finally keeps people awake at night and they live his status is of the prospect of a total of the donald orders of the danger for speaker vashon, of trump, in philosophy, who on to the polarization of american politics and american society?

i think it depends on who you ask for democrats, particularly those on the list, particularly folks who are minorities in this country. i think they will be more worried about a sleeker version of donald trump. so there's a version of donald trump, who doesn't say things that are clearly racist, or version of donald trump, who doesn't do things that are clearly on the edge of constitutionality. i think that would probably be something that keeps people up at night. i think the idea that we have a presidential candidate being donald trump or anybody else who loses the election and doesn't accept the loss of the election. and the potential for something else that looks like on january 6th of it to happen again, keeps americans up at night. we went through a lot during the trump presidency. and so i think we have a bit more resilient than we had going into it. i don't think that we want to go back to that. most of the folks on the left wouldn't want to go back to that. but i think the scary or thing is this idea that there will be

a person who is like trump, or maybe more charismatic than trump, maybe more well polished and who do things that are detrimental in the long term to the united states and whom i create a situation where democracy or the peaceful transfer power cease to exist as we know it professionally children. thank you so much for these fascinating observations on the state of play of american politics. thank you so much for having me. join us after the break. when alex speaks with ed martin, the co author of the conservative case for trump will see you then for mediterranean is the world's most over fish seen on sustainable exploitation of its fish dogs, which maureen biodiversity undergoing thread. similar singing is the lesson the

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welcome back. now even to avoid a patricia feet former president trumpet personality is dominating political calculations in both main parties. martin is the co author of the conservative case for trump, alex introducing my but add more than welcome back to the alex, summon show was great to be with you. alex, thanks very much. i always enjoyed talking with you. thank you. no, johan, from the inauguration, you must of a spring. and you said i'm in the donald and let's remember you the author of a co, off one of the consent of the case for trump, the donald writing hi once again. and is the bookies favorite to, to make a comeback in the next presidential election? is it really going to be plain sailing from donald trump? well, i would say this, 1st of all, i don't celebrate anything a year audi. it's true that the joe biden's po,

numbers are bad and all that kind of stuff and that may be in november 2022 republicans will win. but a lot of things have gone in a different direction than i would have preferred in terms of, you know, america now has a very strong regulatory state whoever's present controls at and jo biden's, policies to me are, are not helpful and not good. so now look at the donald trump, the news came out in the last day or so because of our reporting requirements that he has raised. and i know that the british phrase, the english phrase that the british love is an obscene amount of money. and it truly is an obscene amount of money. you know, in politics, it's votes in money. and donald trump has a grassroots, a set of votes. no matter what happens, you know, his old phrase, i could shoot somebody on 5th avenue and they'd still be there. probably a 3rd of the of the nation will vote for donald trump, no matter what. and now he's got to be seen amount of money. so, you know, if you ask me today is donald trump going to run in 2024? i would say to you, he be crazy not to, he has all the things you need to succeed. and joe biden is really inapt and he's

not showing any ability to change that. so i don't know if it will be smooth sailing. i think the media and even the republican party, some portion of it will make it a challenge for trump, but it was never smooth sailing. if you went back 220152016. so i think got trump is used to them. i'm dumb of i be a republican arrivals, governor. the scientist, for example, is here a slicker type of republican that might appeal to, to some legal society members in our eagles, in or across the country folks, our folks are kind of leaders where they are and you're right about that. there are some folks like governor de santis who gets a lot of attention. my home state is missouri. senator. josh holly gets a lot of attention. mike pompeo, the former secretary state and a congressman, get some attention. there are some other candidates. look, i think donald trump doesn't run, the bench is actually pretty deep with talented people who have proven they know how to run for office. the question is always in my mind,

is trump was uniquely situated to handle the media. he was really good. he had a decade of doing the apprentice and, and 50 years of being a public figure. so, but i know, look, or some and de santis as you point out. his courage in leading in florida, in the face of a lot of back and forth has been impressive. and he's obviously a smart guy. you know, lovely family, all the kinds of things you expect. i, i would say that the santas in florida and for the democrats, newsome in california are the 2 guys that if there's not, if it's not biden and trump, those are the 2 favorites i would say. but i'm like some of the other republican possible. so govern, desantis has not said he wouldn't run if you can take that double negative if from so if trump's a candidate he's playing as comes very close to his chest. yeah. now if you some republicans believe the, the democrats on

a busted flush. so might the real fight be for the republican nomination? well, i think that's right. now remember, de santis has to win in florida and he's up for reelection in 2022 as governor and and up until about, i'd say 6 to 8 months ago. that was, that was thought to be a pretty tough race. now, a lot of the fundamentals in the country is sort of a independent voters have shifted and probably to santas as a head, a favorite to win. but until 6 months ago, he didn't want to say anything that made the people of florida think he wasn't focused on stay in governor, but now look i, i do think all things being equal and in politics they never stay equal. today it's who wins the republican nomination, who is the odds on favorite? so i think you're right about that, but it's not going to stay the same, right? we're going to have a supreme court nomination. we're going to have a, a nancy below. she gave a speech the other day where she said she plans to run for reelection and she plans to retain the house of the majority. she's a master at raising money and doing politics. i don't like her policies, but she's

a master. so then i'm going to go down fighting. i think we're going to see a very energetic, 2022. i do suspect the democrats my of some other traps in store for the donald maybe legal action boatley assault in the capital tentatively about his company's finances due to take some shocks. suckling in the water. the boat. these things. yeah. and yeah, i'd be more clear alex, i would just say it both the democrats see the she the benefit of framing, the post election 2022 post election as damaging the trump as well as you point out in new york. they're doing investigation. i also think as republicans, that are happy to try to muddy up the water and not just liz cheney or adam kinsey are the ones you've heard about, but others that are saying, hey, let's move on. i will, i've never heard as loud a resounding chorus of, well, let's just move on to somebody else as you're hearing now. and that's coming from people that just think it's good politics to move on. but it's coming from

a lot of people that don't want it to be trump, i i, i, you know, my old boss philos. lastly, who was famous for writing a book called a choice. not an echo where she talked about stop giving us an echo of the past. give us a bold choice. trump is a bold choice. obviously was a choice that was different than anything else. and a lot of people don't like that. they want to go back to a senator who knows how the game is played or a governor who knows how the inside thing works. and we're going to see that that desire. so i'm definitely going to try to tie trump up. the newspapers can't stop putting trump on the front page with negative stories. the question is again, he holds his 33 percent, raises a boatload of money. he's in the game and now we come down to a, a tight election in 2024. this can be something to see, so should we expect a new addition of the boot your co offered, of course, with fullest shefly, the conservative case from trump. way back 10 years ago, could you be explained to a new edition of thought book?

i actually have 2 books, i'm working on. what is a pamphlet that's called what i'll do as speaker, trump, you know, the speaker, the house in america doesn't have to be an elected member of the house body at all . it could be speaker trump, and the other one is on the 2nd 2024. yeah. but that the, you know, the real tension is for guys like me, trumps of administration. was a great success in some ways a failure and others. i mean, on certain things like immigration, he didn't build a wall, right? he was, i think he was tied up by some of the, the congress in many ways. but there's improvement for trump to make and i won't do this word of caution. he, if he's got to run successfully in 2020 for a broader set of americans need to hear why it's not enough to just say, i'm trump, i got rod, he needs to say what this is about. but every day that biden puts us in a position where we're about to fight a war, we're sending more troops to, to the ukraine. i'm told, you know, we're, so we're, we're, our inflation is going through the roof because we're many reasons. but one is it, we're gas prices, an oil prices are through the roof. a truck is going to be able to say,

i'm different on those and it's going to be affected. but my, a lot of republicans like a muscular foreign policy towards china, towards russia. there's not a reservoir of support there for president biden among traditional republicans. well, i'm not sure on i, among traditional republicans, but there certainly is this crossover. it's an interesting time in america. what we call the neocons, which is a large part of both parties that like to be more muscular out there and say we're gonna reshape the world. they are certainly fighting and pushing this vision. i would say more traditional conservatives, and i think it's a larger number. more and more of the republican party would have a clear view on the threat of china and the communist regime, or just call it the corrupt regime in china. and it's threat on america. i think there is in america 1st problem, you need to focus on china, i as to russia and putin, and all the obsession from 2016 on the media and hillary clinton in the left,

focused us on russia. that was it's, it's not, it's not silly because it's been very, very hurtful and damaging to the country in the world. but i just don't see americans wanting to, we don't. why would we want to bolster nato when germany won't pay their share? right. i mean, we know this now and, and by the way, trump taught us this. i knew it, but a lot of americans didn't realize that we're stuck paying for nato about to get dragged into a war with nuclear power. russia. because why? well, because germany is a dominant in europe in a, in a way that doesn't make any sense. so i think that muscular foreign policy is not a winning position either in the primary republican wise or in a general election right now. you said something a few minutes ago, which is rather interesting about how even the donald to president trump with all his grievances, from lisa, from his 1st time, an officer, a hust, typically a new vision. you're fishing the while it might be a dream for, for many americans. so to see of a ton of the donald for many will be

a nightmare. the appreciate that i think as time goes by, trump gets a little bit more appreciation. but you're right, that 20 percent of the country or more is devastated by the idea. and that is the problem. i wasn't i. so some told you yourself might be subpoenaed the boat, the storming of the capital. as of any chance of seeing you have to raise your right arm in front of the congress. i saw the same reports that you may have seen, but i have not. i haven't been subpoenaed. i, i will tell you after the 2020 election i, i did have a pretty unique position. i had, i had been the election board chairman in st. louis in about a decade ago. and i didn't see and think there was a lot of irregularities that were going on, but i like most americans, and a great thing alex about our system was we went through our constitutional system and ended up with the president. did i like some of the way it was a judah? katy? no, but so far i haven't heard more from my what was published. we'll see what happens at martin. energetic, passionate as of

a. thank you so much for joining me again on the alex simon. show always great to be with you, alex, all the best. thank you. just when we thought it was safe to go back into the water . the prospects have come back are very real. and indeed, the last payment is now the bookcase favorite to become the next president. oh, bit. and a wide open field was tellingly, the sitting present is currently rated only a 15 percent chance to stand and when reelection, presidential comebacks don't happen often. in fact, the so present to date, to leave the white house and then return for a 2nd term for you. later was gruber cleveland, in the late 19th century. it took a remarkable position that but one year after leaving the white house in disgrace, the dollars should be in pull position to be the 2nd, however, said to the divisions in american politics, that his presence still remains the dividing line on which people take their

position on either side, there is little sign that the open, political winds of the divided nation are being south or pains. but for now, and alex myself and all the shill is good bye, stacy. i will see you all again. ah ah. oh, it's composed of many different types such as the best sense. so not quite to make those are in a test tube in diesel. how like him up with an idea of using

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