was hardly interested in catania mcgarr the sour job were practically out of work and we dont know what to do. there are no other companies here in sicily hiring. it makes me angry to see a company that has made so much money and now decides to lead people off. it's certainly not a company in trouble. this whole situation isn't. and justice wise, as income doubled in 2021 compared to the previous 3 years. thanks to his cobit vaccine developed with germany's by on tech or the companies received substantial public aid in various forms to get the drug to market. the italian politician we heard from asking why the state isn't doing anything about the redundancies. i studied him in to fight it because i am when the pfizer plans and catania and outs, a 130 staff cuts, we were faced to the double paradox. a big pharma giant that is, bo huge profits during this pandemic with help from public funding sending home its workers. what does the state do? nothing for the state right now is without industrial policy, without the ability to protect workers. and it does not care about the future of

workers. european elegance. okay, that's how it looks from moscow so far vis a friday. i'm call him bry, all be back with your next headline update in less than half an hour. ah ah, ah ah, ah. hello and welcome the crosstalk where all things are considered on peter labelle. apparently, russia's invasion of ukraine is not so imminent. after all, none the less washington in london continued to beat the drums of war. many europeans think otherwise. they are the ones with the most to lose in any conflict

. they are also the ones pushing diplomacy. ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, url rasmussen in washington. he's the executive vice president of the racial center in new york. we have medea benjamin. she is an authoring co founder of coat paint. and in london we crossed to marcus papadopoulos. he's an historian analyst, an author of the book, arise, rossi, and the return of russia to world politics are cross stop rules. and that means you can jump in in time, you want and i would appreciate it. okay, let's start with media. let's start off with you. or you have a fascinating article in anti war dot com and in common dreams. and it's, it's very sanctum su hours support everyone reading a memo to congress, diplomacy for ukraine is spelled m i n s k, which of course minsk, raggedly. again, in a nutshell, what is your argument for in this article?

and why did you write it? and why did you send it to congress? go ahead of very concerned that congress is moving ahead with these bills that introduce these draconian sanctions that would hurt ordinary russian people. and in all of europe, and perhaps the global economy, and rushing, $500000000.00 more in quote lethal aid to ukraine, which will only make the conflict worse. and instead, what they should be doing is listening to the american people that show in poll after poll, that we're not interested in going to war with russia. and that there is an obvious solution right in front of their faces. and that is called the mince agreement, minutes to which was signed in 2015, which lays out the basis for a solution. and what we need is that the international community, particularly the united states, come back in full force and say,

that is what needs to be implemented. i think that the u. s. encouraging the president zalinski in the ukraine to pull back from ukraine's commitment under the mens cro protocol has been one of the big problems and that if indeed now of the u. s. people are saying to our own government, stop this conflict from escalating, then we have to go back to that and put the pressure on ukraine and the pressure on russia, of course, as well. to agree to this framework, that is a solution to the current crisis, as well as the need to pull back on the expansion of nato. and then give the u. s. in russia. chance to look at these larger issues that have to be dealt with about european security. exactly, so well put in a market. the reason why i wanted to start out with me is article because this is an intro ukraine conflict and that is something western audiences are not told. ok

. and to, to put an end to that conflict, they have mens one into which you and i and others have talked about. is that as a starting point, this is not something the average consumer of news understands in the u. k. and in the us. so medea tells us that the american people, and i would say the europeans also are not interested in more. so who is marcus? why are we here? oh, let me say the same pizza by saying that nato is a criminal, an expansionist military block, which exists today in the world to preserve and enhance american global hedge money . and this is achieved by nato fruit in part targets in an attempt into weaken russia with the knowledge that russia is truly the only country in the world that can limit american aggression in 4 corners of the world.

when nato is leadership, in particular, the inept yen sort of book says that nato has no intention of mixing ukraine into each writers. that is a lie because at the nato summit, in 2008 in bucharest, the nato declaration summoned from that summits explicitly stated that whilst ukraine will not be given a membership action plan. nonetheless, one day ukraine will become a nato member. and despite what washington says, despite his pronouncements about support in the midst agreements, the reality of course, is that ukraine is of absolute importance to america and so need. so why not for defense say for reasons not because of this for democracy or freedom or

human rights. it is because of. busy crane's immense g o strategic importance. it is the missing puzzle for washington. because a ukraine in nato would say russia totally isolated on its western buddha by nato member states. that is why america carried out the crew in ukraine in february of 2014. that is why the americans are increasing the flow of weaponry to the ukrainian forces. that's why the americans are referred machine to ukrainian ports about dasha and watch a cough. so accommodates american war ships. and that is why we see great enormous attention today between america and russia. because as i said, a ukraine in nature would pose a tremendous threat to russian national security. and russia has a number of options which is that it's disposal in regard to ukraine. one of the

off, but under no circumstances, can russia not take any action? well, the foreign ministry in russia has already made it clear that membership or ukraine will not happen because it will be very, very serious consequences. it will girl, when we go to earl in washington, over the last few days we've had a real flurry of diplomatic, kind of a shuttle like dimension where you had the president of france mc chrome. he's gone to moscow today as we speak, he is in ukraine, and then we have the german chancellor go to washington, which i thought was kind of a humiliating public appearance on his part. he's standing right next to the president, being states and, and joe biden is acting like the north stream to pipeline is his. and that he will do what he will does will he'll do whatever he wants with it. and you have the

german chancellor sitting right next to him, not really doing much about it. i thought there was a humiliating display here to remind our viewers north stream to pipeline is a german russian project. and only that it's not even an e u. project. ok, it's a bilateral project here. so again, i asked the question, who wants a conflict here because joe biden is inept as he shows himself to be. those are fighting words, earl, that's, that's, that's a declaration. earl. go ahead. yeah, peter, the one interesting thing i didn't see is that mister shoulds did not specifically mention nordstrom to it in his responses in say all. busy were united together, but even one press he did not mentioned germany in x in nor to bring to was it's not just a german russia project, but it was actually requested. and i the germans. yeah. and so it's interesting

that we've got mr. biting kind of dictating what the status can to and where it's going to go. and then we also have a bill here. everyone probably knows the protecting european energy chief security act, which kind of the u. s. is concerned about energy security and in russia or in europe. absolutely not. it's, it's to, it's to make europe more dependent on the u. s. is to also keep them down economically. further i sleep, contain russia of, but russia just swords. energy will just turn to china will take in asia or take most of what they have very little loss any the sanctions that are being applied. and this are all what will hurt your. actually, it's actually in a waves or a mechanism in europe as well. so not just an energy war, but

a means to contain europe to prevent them from furthering economic cooperation, both with russia, both energy and non energy, as well with china. i think there's some place in that side to, to, to, of south china. so it's to maintain us, her jetta, absolute, wendy. i mean, when, you know, we've all discussed over the years luby the wars in the middle east, the wars of choice in the middle east. this is another conflict of choice because the, the russians have made it abundantly clear with what would be acceptable to them for pan european security. and nato simply pretends that doesn't understand it does understand ok. and it's not willing to take the, the indivisibility of security. i understand that, ok, and i think that's something that all should work towards here. and they say they're foreign, but they, they have a military alliance that is specifically openly publicly directed against russia. thus russia is not allowed in security concerns. it is completely absurd and

hypocritical medea well, as marco said, i think nato is a militaristic, aggressive alliance. that should have been disbanded at the time that the worse off pack was disbanded and it is looking for. it's a ras, on mantra. i. it certainly was a bad rap on debtor when it went into the war in afghanistan and the world saw how that turned out and the same in the case of libya and it has been threatening china . it is quite ironic. the north american tree vs organisation would think that a country that's in the pacific in china would be somehow a threat to its security. but this is part of, of finding and justifying the massive military expenses that we see here in the united states. but that has been pushed on all of the countries of europe as well.

it was a little more overt, during terms time when he was saying, you know, these european countries, they got to hold their weight. but that's been going on for years now where the u. s has been pushing the nato countries to spend more on their militaries. it's funny that that's one of the goals. ringback of the alliance, and i think that this confrontation now if they don't serve them perfectly, and we'll see that this does increase the amount of money spent on the military. it is a great boon for the weapons makers. and i think the nato is, feels that this is a win situation for them. if it doesn't, if award doesn't rank out, they have still made their point that they are somehow needed in this day and age markets. and we have 45 2nd people go to one of the breaks. i think this can be the demise of naperville. this is a bridge to borrow because they end up again

a brick against the brick wall. that brick walls say we will push back and have no doubts about that marcus. before we go to the break in date and let me quickly say something page or something which you will never hear from the can. a ramos's in british and american mainstream major made so demonstrated it's criminality. when it bombed yugoslavia, it didn't just contravene international law may so violated article one of its own found in treaty which states that nature will never use force to resolve disputes. that is why i say nature is a monstrously criminal organization. all right, here, i'm gonna jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that job break, we'll continue our discussion on some real name, j o. a algorithm. so neural networks have been following us everywhere. we look online

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i'm peter lavelle. this is the home edition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah . okay, this weekend or so let me the on december 17th, the, the, the russian sent out to treaties 2 papers, one to nato in one to the united states. and we haven't seen the official replies, but of course it was leaked most likely intentionally through spanish media. and the way i read the, the nato reply was just completely boiler plate. i mean, just talking nonsense that they, as they usually do, we're only in defense of a life. i've never heard of a defensive alliance that needs to come, is compelled to expand and look for trouble. i never heard of a defensive alliance do that. and of course, it is not a defensive alliance. respected what you hear. the american one was a little more nuanced, basically saying, yeah, he got a point about, you know,

indivisibility of security and about certain missile systems. i mean, we all remember the whole uproar in the 1980s about intermediate med nuclear missiles. ok. i mean, i think people have this amnesia, these are dangerous things. she should not be employed anywhere in the world, but just in a very nonchalant way in washington. we're consider everything is always on the table here. again, as i said to marcus in the 1st part of the program, this is russia you're dealing with, we're not dealing with nick or was nicko other or as in bob way. ok. i mean, i think people in washington it was the sense of gravity of what they're doing. earl, i think there yeah, the response, the nato was to be expected. i think i think you're seeing it and you know they had to be coordinated to play the us. you are responsible for the court court and it basically didn't address anything any. the key aspects whatsoever was of interest which stoughton burges presentations for the most part are. and if

anything it further in taking a from the situation they, i don't know. i think they're living in a delusional world. they don't know if they really grasp their thinking back to the 90 still that they can say and move russia around however they one and it's not like that. they need to look at the serious situation at the same time. i think there's, there's some fragmentation going on within nato. yes. as well. so, which we've already seen some are some of the countries and the bilateral require relations going on. i would agree with marcus marcus is mean, i don't know where nato anna corpus at one time, but right now i don't see that purpose. i think they're looking for a new mission there in a sense of organization as those henry kissinger. i think that said the back from the bombing yugoslavia that believes, well, i guess we can think of nato as

a defensive organization. so and so it's been very aggressive then there actually been more of a tool for u. s. foreign policy and military aggression than european i think europeans have very little structure. right. but definitely in a, in a bad pastor and, and i, i just, i am astounded how the senior diplomats in charge of the organization and not waking up as a really driving us. it would be very dangerous scam. and you know, many of them, if you, if you look at them and the current policy of the administration, is it? and i, in of the, you k, which is this kind of like his sidekick joke. you know, i'm, i'm bo joe flies around, you know, during party gate and all this is really embarrassing for the u. k. um, but you know, there's no downside for them if there's a conflict. well, it's over there. okay. i mean, our energy security isn't, isn't endangered. ok, or example on supply chains aren't disturbed. i mean, these me,

the more you look at it, the more you look at it closely any, any form of sanctions will seriously damage the european economy. and since 2008, the financial crisis in particularly since 2014, after the illegal overthrow of the democratic government in ukraine rush is made itself virtually bulletproof. and you won't hear that in mainstream media. they're not afraid of sanctions, but the europeans should be go ahead, my dear. well, i think there are some sanctions, like cutting russia off from the swiss system that would very much damage the russian economy, but certainly be your economy. and what all this does is bring russia and china closer together just like sanctions at the u. s. is imposing all over the world, has allowed countries to look towards china as their only savior. so i think there is

a downside to the united states and that is elections coming up in the u. s. and is this really what the american people want to be focusing on? know they care about the domestic situation. they want the biden administration to do something about inflation. there is we're still dealing with pandemic. this might be a distraction, but i don't think this is what the american people want. and so that's why i'm so worried that even the progressives in congress are not speaking out because it's a democrat in the white house where this happening under trump. we'd see a whole different dynamic within congress. and that's why it's so important for the american people to make their voices heard. we called for demonstrations last saturday, and in 48 hours, we had 75 cities throughout the united states holding demonstrations. and now they're calling congress. they're calling the white house. i think it's important that the american people get involved in say,

no way. this is not what we want. this is not where we want our tax dollars going because this $500000000.00 that is now being expedited by nancy pelosi to go to more weapons in ukraine. i think there's a lot of other things that the american people would prefer to spend our tax dollars on. yeah. like fixing a few bridges, you know, because there's no need to be fixed. i know the joe biden went to pennsylvania for infrastructure and the day he was there, a major bridge collapsed. ok. i don't think i got enough media coverage. i'm in my opinion, a marcus. um, let's go ahead and talk about ned price and his antics with matt lee. um, he's saying, you know, there's a, we have an intelligence that there's a false flag video being made. and then, and natalie said, well can you give us any evidence with the evidence is what i just told you that we, we believe, i mean, talk about how to though, how it's gotten to this point here. where if we, if you don't believe

a spokesperson of the u. s. government, you're essentially a tony proposed and that's when it's gotten down to tucker carlson. josh holly, i'm, i'm a numerous other people and i suppose all of us as well. marcus caliber of american politicians has been rapidly deteriorating lawyer many years now and alongside that is american democracy. because whilst i'm not going to argue that america is genuinely committed to democracy abroad, i do believe that there was a time in america when there was a good level of democracy like in britain, there was once a time in britain when they what really was freedom of speech, but alas, that is now a distant memory. one cannot raise a legitimate issue, a legitimate issue which is corroborated with concrete evidence without being

denigrated, without being accused of being a russian propagandist without being accused of being uprooting. stooge. but what does that tell us? well peter, it quite simply demonstrates that we have ruffled their feathers so to speak, because they would not resume says to such despicable, disgusting personal attacks on b journalist or academics. unless they felt that their narrative was being threatened. that band narrative was being exposed, it is quite simple, if they have nothing to fear than western politicians and western mainstream journalists will not result to the disgraceful attacks that they are employing against people who question merely question. so it really does demonstrate that america alongside britain or anything but the guardian of democracy and free

speech in the world. it is merely a facade. and what i am infused about peter, is that more and more people in both america and in britain are see. and beyond the facade, america and britain do not stand for democracy in about. they do not stand for the role of law of freedom. what they stand for is preserve in western global dominance and enhancing it at whatever the cost. and in this case, they are trying to strengthen their position in the world at the cost of russia at the cost of the russian people. well, history tells us that the russian people have gone to extraordinary lengths to preserve the motherland, to preserve the russian people's welfare. and russia will never back off from this dangerous confrontation that the americans and the british orchestrated on the russian buddha in earl, one of the things that i find very um, difficult to,

to stomach because i listen to the secretary of state and lincoln. i need a translator to understand what he's talking about because he's never talking about foreign policy or security issues. and it's always about values. i have no idea what values he's talking about. forced regime changes around the world is that of value. i'm not recognizing the electoral outcomes of other countries before they even vote is out of value. and speaking of ukraine in february, 2014, there was any legal overthrow, but democratic government and ukraine and. and now the and they have the audacity to talk about protecting democracy. democracy in ukraine is challenge to say the least of a former president is being charged with treason. the most important opposition figure is under house arrest facing treason charges as well. western media never

picks up on it, go hetero where peter is. i would say the entire a senior level, one policy within the us be replaced. they are just, it's embarrass, absolutely embarrassed. and regarding a democracy ukraine, i think the issues that occurred in 2014 with us support that to basically i view if it, through back democracy a fledgling democratize, throw it back at least 20 or 30 years, maybe dismantled that completely. and they've lost their control. ukraine is just right now, it's just whatever the us says me, joe biden was responsible when he was vice president for it with the help of the new one. and they're back got the same team now that was back in 2014 is here again . and they did. they didn't complete their mission and they didn't get crimea. that

was a key point, and i think they're very upset at that. it could care less about ukraine, but ukrainians, but the people that we care less about true democracy establishing their because they destroyed that. and it's basically a, it's all about meeting us the objectives and also it doesn't matter, but you're, you're is also just another tool, careless but dirty, but it is end up on this here. it says, what is happening is that in europe will be isolated from the world, and eventually the united states will to their, on the wrong side of history, the law, the wrong direction here. unfortunately, folks, we have run out of time. i want to thank my guests and watched in new york and in london when i think our viewers for watching us here are. see you next time, remember? ah, ah.

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