who, a few days of aerial carpet bombing is imminent, follow by a russian ground operation that would take care of us. national security adviser speculates on moscow's moves with a startlingly precise prediction on a longer way to the invasion. russia, meanwhile, bronze, it's a coordinated political attack. russia's biggest skating federation says it has no doubt camilla, valid valley ever is innocent of any wrong doing. despite testing positive buttons substance, the organization says it's investigating the circumstances surrounding the incidents. last brushes. olympic committee is raising concerns over the timing of the test results as the sample was taken back in december, but only revealed in the last few days. and the cia has been harvesting private

data on americans is, according to newly declassified agency documents. concerns are growing as the eavesdropping has been discovered purely by accident, where those headlines is 70 moscow time. and that's all from me pizza scott's. but i'll be passing the button on to royce to shay, who will be here with the full news program in about an hour. thank you very much for your company. with hello and welcome the cross talk where all things are considered. i'm peter labelle, apparently rushes invasion of ukraine is not so imminent. after all, none the less, washington in london continued to beat them. drums of war. many europeans think

otherwise, they are the ones with the most to lose in any conflict. they are also the ones pushing diplomacy. ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, earl rasmussen in washington. he's the executive vice president of the racial center in new york. we have medea benjamin. she is an authoring co founder of co pink, and in london we crossed to marcus papadopoulos. he's an historian analyst, an author of the book, arise, rossi, and the return of russia to world politics are crossed up rules and effect. that means you can jump in in time, you want, and i would appreciate it. okay, let's start with media with start off with you. you have a fascinating article in anti war dot com and in common dreams. and it's, it's very sustained, a support. everyone reading a memo to congress, diplomacy for ukraine is spelled m i n s k, which of course minsk,

wrap it again in a nutshell. what is your argument for in this article? and why did you write it? and why did you send it to congress go of very concerned that congress is moving ahead with these bills that introduce these draconian sanctions that would hurt ordinary russian people and in all of europe and perhaps the global economy and rushing $500000000.00 more in quote lethal aid to ukraine, which will only make the conflict worse. and instead, what they should be doing is listening to the american people that show in poll after poll, that we're not interested in going to war with russia. and that there is an obvious solution right in front of their faces. and that is called the mince agreement, mince 2, which was signed in 2015, which lays out the basis for a solution. and what we need is that the international community,

particularly the united states, come back in full force and say, that is what needs to be implemented. i think that the u. s. encouraging the president zalinski in the ukraine to pull back from ukraine's commitment under the mens cro protocol has been one of the big problems and that if indeed now the u. s. people are saying to our own government, stop this conflict from escalating, then we have to go back to that and put the pressure on ukraine and the pressure on russia, of course, as well. to agree to this framework, that is a solution to the current crisis, as well as the need to pull back on the expansion of nato. and then give us in russia chance to look at these larger issues that have to be dealt with about european security. exactly. so well, put in

a market. the reason why i wanted to start out with mit is article because this is an intro ukraine conflict and that is something western audiences are not told. ok . and to, to put an end to that conflict these well mens one into which you and i and others have talked about is that as a starting point, this is not something the average consumer of news understands in the u. k. and in the u. s. so many is tells us that the american people, and i would say the europeans also are not interested in more. so who is marcus? why are we here? oh, let me said the st. peter, i say that nato is a criminal, an expansionist military block, which exists today in the world to preserve and enhance american global hedging money. and this is achieved by nato through impart targeting and attempting to, we can russia with the knowledge that russia is truly the only country in the world

that can limit american aggression in all 4 corners of the world. and when nato is leadership, in particular, the in their yen. so to berg says that nato has no intent intention of admitting ukraine into each routes. that is a lie because at the nato summit in 2008 in bucharest, the nato declaration semen from that summit, explicitly stated that whilst ukraine will not be given a membership action plan. nonetheless, one day ukraine will become a nato member. and despite what's washington says, despite his pronouncements about support in the midst agreement, the reality of calls is that ukraine is of absolute importance to america. and

tonight. so why not for defensive reasons? not because of the democracy of freedom or human rights. it is because. busy ukraine's immense geo strategic importance. it is the missing puzzle for washington, because a ukraine in nato would say russia totally isolated on its western buddha by nato member states. that is why america carried out the qu in ukraine in february of 2014. that is why the americans are increasing the flow of weaponry to ukrainian armed forces. that's why the americans are furbished, and the ukrainian puts about dasha and watch a cough. so accommodates american worships. and that is why we see great enormous tension today between america and russia, because as i said, and ukraine in night, so would pose a tremendous threat to russian national security. and russia has

a number of options which is at its disposal in regard to ukraine. one of the york, but under no circumstances, can russia not take any action? well, the foreign ministry in russia's army made it clear that the membership or ukraine will not happen because it will be very, very serious consequences. girl, let me go to earle in washington over the last few days. we've had a real flurry of diplomatic, you know, that kind of a shuttle like the dimension where you had the president of france mc chrome. he's gone to moscow that now today, as we speak, he is in ukraine. and then we had the german chancellor go to washington, which i thought was kind of a humiliating public appearance on his art. and he's standing right next to the president of the united states and, and joe biden is acting like the north stream to pipeline is his. and that he will

do what he will does, what, what he'll do, whatever he wants with it. and you have the german chancellor sitting right next to him, not really doing much about it. i thought there was a humiliating display here. i to remind our viewers north stream to pipeline is a german russian project. and only that it's not even an e u. project ok, it's a bilateral project here. so again, i asked the question, who wants a conflict here because joe biden is inept as he shows himself to be. those are fighting words are all that's, that's, that's a declaration. earl. go ahead. peter, the young. it's one interesting thing i didn't see is that mister shoulds did not specifically mention nordstrom to it in his responses. if they all were united together by even one press, he did not mention germany in x in north spring to was it's not just the german

russia project, but it was actually requested. and in my i the germans. yeah. salute. and so it's interesting that we've got mr. biting kind of dictating what the status can to and where it's going to go. and, and then we also have a bill here. everyone probably knows the protecting european energy security acts which kind of the u. s. is concerned about energy security and in russia or in europe. absolutely not. it's, it's to is to make europe more dependent on the u. s. is to also keep them down economically. further isolate the contain russia of but russia just sars energy will just turn to china who will take in asia or take most of what they have the very little loss any the sanctions that are being applied. and this are all what will hurt your, but actually it's actually in a way, it's a mechanism in europe as well. so not just an energy war, but

a means to contain europe to prevent them from furthering economic cooperation. both with russia, both energy and non energy as well with china. i think there's some place in that side to, to, to of south china. so to maintain u. s. agenda. absolute, wendy. i mean, when, you know, we've all discussed over the years, levine, the wars in the middle east, the wars of choice in the middle east. this is another conflict of choice because the, the russians have made it abundantly clear with what would be acceptable to them for pan european security. and nato simply pretends that doesn't understand it does understand ok. and it's not willing to the indivisibility of security. i understand that, okay, and i think that's something that you all should work towards here. and they say they're foreign, but they, they have a military alliance that is specifically openly publicly directed against russia.

thus russia is not allowed. it's security concerns. it is completely absurd and hypocritical medea well, as marco said, i think nato is a militaristic, aggressive alliance. that should have been disbanded at the time that the worse off pack was disbanded and it is looking for. it's a red zone better. it's certainly was a bad rap on debtor when it went in to the war in afghanistan and the world saw how that turned out the same in the case of libya and it has been threatening china. it is quite ironic that the north american treaty is organization would think that a country that's in the pacific in china would be somehow a threat to its security. but this is part of, of finding and justifying the massive military expenses that we see here in the

united states. but that has been pushed on all of the countries of europe as well. it was a little more overt, during terms time when he was saying, you know, these european countries, they got to hold their weight. but that's been going on for years now. where the u . s. has been pushing the nato countries to spend more on their militaries. it's funny that that's one of the goals of the alliance, and i think that this confrontation, now they don't serve them perfectly. and we'll see that this does increase the amount of money spent on the military. it is a great boon for the weapons makers. and i think that nato is feels that this is a win situation for them. if it doesn't, if award doesn't break out, they have still made their point that they are somehow needed in this day and age markets. and we have 45 2nd people go to one of the breaks. i think this can be the

demise of naperville. this is a bridge bar because they've been up against a brick against the brick wall. that brick walls say we will push back and have no doubts about that marcus. before we go to the break. in date, i let me quickly say something page or something which you will never hear from the can. a rameses in british and american mainstream, major nato demonstrated its criminality. when it bombed yugoslavia, it didn't just contravene international law. nato violated article one of its own found in treaty, which states that nato will never use force to resolve a dispute. that is why i say nato is a monstrously criminal organization. all right, here i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate. ah, ah,

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. okay, returned her scroll. i mean, the on december 17th that the, the russian sent out to treaties 2 papers, one to nato in one to the united states. and we haven't seen the official replies, but of course it was leaked most likely intentionally through spanish media. and the way i read the, the nato reply was just completely boiler plate. i mean, just talking nonsense that they, as they usually do, we're only in defense of a life. a never heard of a defensive alliance that needs to come, is compelled to expand and look for trouble. i never heard of a defensive alliance do that. and of course, it is not a defensive alliance. respected what you hear. the american one was a little more nuanced, basically saying, yeah, he got to point about, you know, in the visibility of security and about certain missile systems. i mean, we all remember the whole uproar in the 1980s about intermediate med nuclear

missiles. ok. i mean, i think people have this amnesia, these are dangerous things. she should not be employed anywhere in the world, but just in a very nonchalant way in washington. we're consider everything is always on the table here. again, as i said to marcus in the 1st part of the program, this is russia you're dealing with, we're not dealing with nick or was nicaragua, or as in bob way. ok. i mean, i think people in washington it was the sense of gravity of what they're doing. earl, i think there yeah, the response, the to nato was to be expected. i think i think you're seeing it and, and you know, they had to be coordinated to play the us. you are responsible for the court record and it basically didn't address anything, any of the key aspects whatsoever was of interest. which stilton burke's presentation for the most part are. and if anything it further in taking they see the situation they. i don't know, i think they're living in

a delusional world. they don't, i don't know if they really grasp their thinking back. the 90 still that they can say and move russia around however they want and, and it's not like that. they need to look at the serious situation at the same time . i think there's, there's some fragmentation going on within nato. yes. as well. so which we've already seen, some are some of the countries and the bilateral require relations going on. i would agree with marcus marcus is, mean, i don't know where nato anna corpus at one time, but right now i don't see that purpose. i think they're looking for a new mission there in a sense of organization as those henry kissinger. i think that said the back from the bombing yugoslavia that believes, well, i guess we can think of nato as a defensive organization. so, and so it's been very aggressive then there actually been more of a tool for

u. s. foreign policy and military aggression than european i think europeans have very little structure. right. but definitely in a, in a bad pastor and, and i, i just, i am astounded how the senior diplomats in charge of the organization and not waking up as a really driving us. it would be very dangerous scam. and you know, many of them, if you, if you look at them and the current policy of the administration, is it? and i, in the, you k, which is this kind of like his sidekick joke. you know, i'm, i'm bo joe flies around, you know, during party gate and all this is really embarrassing for the u. k. um, but you know, there's no downside for them if there's a conflict. well, it's over there. okay. i mean, our energy security isn't, isn't endangered. ok, or example on supply chains aren't disturbed. i mean, the, me, the more you look at it, the more you look at it closely any, any form of sanctions will seriously damage the european economy. and since 2008

the financial crisis, and particularly since 2014 after the illegal overthrow of the democratic government and ukraine rush has made itself virtually bulletproof. and you won't hear that in mainstream media. they're not afraid of sanctions, but the europeans should be go ahead, my dear. well, i think there are some sanctions, like cutting russia off from the swift system that would very much damage their rational economy. but certainly be your economy. and what all this does is bring russia and china closer together just like sanctions at the u. s. is imposing all over the world, has allowed countries to look towards china as their only savior. so i think there is a downside to the united states and that is elections coming up in the u. s. and is this really what the american people want to be focusing on?

know they care about the domestic situation. they want the biden administration to do something about inflation. there is we're still dealing with pandemic. this might be a distraction, but i don't think this is what the american people want. and so that's why i'm so worried that even the progressives in congress are not speaking out because it's a democrat in the white house where this happening under terms, we'd see a whole different dynamic within congress. and that's why it's so important for the american people to make their voices heard. we called for demonstrations last saturday, and in 48 hours, we had 75 cities throughout the united states holding demonstrations. and now they're calling congress. they're calling the white house. i think it's important that the american people get involved in say, no way. this is not what we want. this is not where we want our tax dollars going because this $500000000.00 that is now being expedited by nancy pelosi to go to

more weapons in ukraine. i think there's a lot of other things that the american people would prefer to spend our tax dollars on. yeah. like fixing a few bridges, you know, because there's no need to be fixed. i know the joe biden went to pennsylvania for infrastructure and the day he was there, a major bridge collapsed. ok, and i don't think i got enough media coverage. i'm in my opinion, a marcus. let's go ahead and talk about ned price and his antics with matt lee. and he's saying, you know, there's a, we have an intelligence that there's a false flag video being made in matlab said, well, can you give us any evidence with the evidence is what i just told you that we, we believe, i mean, talk about how to though how it's gotten to this point here, where if we, if you don't believe a spokesperson of the u. s. government, you're essentially a tony proposed and that's when it's gotten down to tucker carlson. josh holly,

i numerous other people, and i suppose all of us as well. marcus caliber of american politicians has been rapidly deteriorating many years now and alongside that is american democracy. because whilst i'm not going to argue that america is genuinely committed to democracy abroad, i do believe that there was a time in america when there was a good level of democracy like in britain, there was once a time in britain when they what really was freedom of speech, but alas, that is now a distant memory. one cannot raise a legitimate issue, a legitimate issue, which is corroborated with concrete evidence without being denigrated, without being accused of being a russian propagandist without being accused of being uprooted stooge. but what

does that tell us? well peter, it quite simply demonstrates that we have ruffled their feathers so to speak, because they would not resume says to such despicable, disgusting personal attacks on the beach journalists or academics unless they for that their narrative was being threatened. that band narrative was being exposed, it is quite simple, if they have nothing to fear than western politicians and western mainstream journalists would not result. so the disgraceful attacks that they are employing against people who question merely question. so it really does demonstrate that america alongside britain or anything but the guardian of democracy and free speech in the world. it is merely a facade. and what i am infused about peter,

is that more and more people in both america and in britain are seeing beyond the facade, america and britain do not stand for democracy in the world. they do not stand for the role of law of freedom. what they stand for is preserve in western global dominance and enhancing it at whatever the cost. and in this case, they are trying to strengthen their position in the world at the cost of russia at the cost of the russian people. well, history tells us that the russian people have gone to extraordinary lengths to preserve the motherland, to preserve the russian people's welfare. and russia will never back off from this dangerous confrontation that the americans and the british orchestrated on the russian buddha in earl, one of the things that i find very um, difficult to, to stomach as i listen to the secretary of state and lincoln, i need

a translator to understand what he's talking about, because he's never talking about foreign policy or security issues. and it's always about values. i have no idea what values he's talking about. forest regime changes around the world is that of value not recognizing the electoral outcomes of other countries before they even both sometimes is out of value. and speaking of ukraine in february, 2014, there was any legal overthrow but democratic government and ukraine and, and now the and they have the audacity to talk about protecting democracy. democracy in ukraine is challenge to say the least of a former president is being charged with treason. the most important opposition figure is under house arrest facing treason charges as well. western media never picks up on it. go hetero. peter is i would say the entire

a senior level, one policy within the u. s. be replaced. they are just, it's embarrass, absolutely embarrass regarding a democracy ukraine. i think the issues that occurred in 2014 with us support that to basically i view if it, through back democracy a fledgling democracy, throw it back at least 20 or 30 years may be dismantled completely. they've lost their control. ukraine is just right now, it's just whatever the u. s. as the big jo bible for one person or with a new one and they're back. they got the same gene. now that was back in 2014 this year again. and they did, they didn't complete their mission. they did. crimea was a key point and i think they're very upset at that. they could care less about ukraine premiums. people that be careless about true democracy establishing there

because they destroyed that. and basically, it's all about meeting usaa objectives and it also, it doesn't matter, but you're, you're is also just another tool, careless, but i think it's end up on this here. so what is happening is in europe will be isolated from the world, and eventually the united states will to, they're on the wrong side of history, the law, the wrong direction here. unfortunately, folks, we have run out of time. i want to thank my guess and watch the new york end in london when i think our viewers for watching us here to see you next time, remember, ah, ah, algorithms and neural networks have been following us everywhere. we look online because our relationships are what matters most of us and that's what we find

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