ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, hello and welcome across stock were all things considered? i'm funeral labelle. how much longer can we take the u. s. and u. k. seriously. there war of words is dangerous and reckless. the rest of nato and even ukraine are much more restraint. if there's a conflict over ukraine, it will be a conflict. washington in london, endlessly promoted. ah. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess. sure, samuel leon, budapest, he's a podcast or at the goggle, which me bought

a new to ban locals. and we also have dmitri bob, she's a political analysts and editor in us me internet media project. i gentleman crossel closer to the fact that music and jumping in time you want and i would appreciate it. or i would start out with georgia in budapest. well, georgia, the last 2 days have had this kind of like, i think, fake shuttle diplomacy. everybody wants to come to moscow and they come to moscow and saying that there are, they are there while they're in moscow. and as they're leaving, they say war is eminent, invasion is imminent. ok. no evidence is been presented here. i mean this is and is primarily coming from the u. s. and the u. k. i. and in between helene um the center of all this, at least the western narrative is ukraine. and again, presidents zalinski has come out and asked even his western backers for evidence of their claims of an imminent invasion. i mean, this is beyond bizarre, it's kafka ask, what is the state of play, george? go ahead. that's a very good question. imagine what it is that the americans and the british in

particular, are asserting. they are claiming that russia will attack without any kind of publications without issuing a list of demands without an ultimatum, without a list of grievances. just simply an attack out of the blue eye and you know which country in the recent past has done just that. of course. busy nazi germany with barbarossa, we just when i'm president in that he was preceded by no demands, no, all to make a list of grievances on the recently the russian. just going to do this out of the blue. they going to launch this on the deck and a j. some of them pointed out it's going to be quite a savage. and i, you know, it's going to be preceded by aerial attack by missiles, then they're going to march on to it. and then so that's the

assertion. and now let's think of also about who is really behind is who's leading this propaganda campaign. why jake saw them. and now jake saw them was an absolutely key figure in roster gate, which is also very interesting because this meet with, you know, we've added found out more information about the russian gate folks and about how the clinton campaign and that means j solve it basically funding the spying on, not only the trunk campaign, but the trump president actually got into the trump. so this is a person the some of them who is a master of manufacturing process is creating an absolute it presents no evidence for any of his claims. they keep telling what ross is building of the building up. it wasn't on the number, they say it's 200000 and i think so they said it is building up the same number i

think was 2 months ago. so these are basically in the business of generating a hysterical and do russian global propaganda campaign. gotta have very dangerous consequences. you know, begin demon, is it working? because i'm sure you know the, the, the parable, you know, the boy that called, well, i mean, how much longer can you pay in the us saying, invasion is emanated before people don't stop taking them seriously. as i pointed out in my introduction, go ahead. oh, i think basically what we see is that a collection of all gander used at the same time. for example, there is a steak and you know, when the real agenda is released by the relay java is process security concern by big i don't replace it with a face, a gender in a rush that there there is also the stakeholder bandwagon. like,

why wouldn't you embassy all go by america? because everyone is needed? you know, once you joined the band where you know the suite a leading those leading and no one tries to otherwise, why daddy and what happened is that any evidence? basically not a single ration to see show a made a revenue noises. you know? no one said that way you great, never know ordering. there are no signs. all the so called aggression. well russia from, from, from, from the bringing. what is the boss? no one on that was 7 years about the impression that you get from the west breast is now that you be also there is another propaganda which is fatal trying to do either great doing plato or your grain is firmly in the raso

sphere of influence. isn't there something in between? you know, it looks like a boy who drive alone with why. this was the way a car sharing was advertised f u b. b and known you to country was relations with russia. good relations for the you and was going on. is it is absurd, was the opinions down and says, we don't seen the russian car just on saturday president. he said, if the west has any parents show in that that, that is possible, let them share it with us and they didn't share. but the next day, the same, it uses po george, the mom makes of such an important points here. i mean, when i find bewildering and very frustrating is that you have been wallace. and list truss and you know,

of course jobs and all traveling. busy around they don't want to negotiate. they just want to grandstand ok. i mean, and liz, trust me as being a, you know, foreign secretary she, she showed a lot of ignorance of history and geography. and me maybe would be good for someone like that to listen once in a while. if you learn something because she didn't come with the negotiation agenda . she came with a hectoring agenda. george. yeah, excellent point. and it was very interesting that during jake sullivan's press ok last friday, and he was off this very question. well, why should we believe your intelligence are we, you know, we had a bad experience with intelligence such as, they're run up to the iraq war. and it was very different because before iraq that we were presenting intelligence in order to start a war, we are trying to look at,

we try to prevent of what we try to stop a war. so imagine that with cells lose good people. we're trying to stop a war. well, how are you stopping by with this hysterical denunciations, likening, obviously, contemporary russia to hitler's germany. how are you stopping a war by pouring in military hardware into ukraine? how are you stopping a war by encouraging ukrainian or your a c, a sleep number bed to make any concessions at all. so you're, you're essentially, you know, engendering a wall and then you're trying to, boston, this phony as you're trying to store and list trust and the rest of the russian deescalate, that's, that's the only way we could have peace in the world. laser profit deescalate. but

bradley is fine for the british, and the americans to send forces into the neighborhood currently is fine to send military hom, where you know, by the millions of dollars in, into ukraine. that's fine. that's all escalation, but russian conducting exercises with its own country. that's escalation. mean, if you're the ukrainian sitting, you take policy. i mean, you have your western back or sending hundreds of millions of dollars of the military hardware. well, the same time they're sending the western embassy, letting their dependence so, i mean, isn't that when you cranes western back is actually putting a big target overview crane. i mean, you know, there's all the stuff you need to buy were what will be up behind the line here. we watch it from a very safe distance. maybe on zoom here. i mean, it sounds very dangerous perilous message to their friends and ukraine. well, i think you're exactly right. you know, you want to,

i think the best we've had so far this crisis was from out of the leader of the nation where he basically ro, a lease present that in the west of some kind of human. most let me quote any, some article most the wanted to see were imagination. all the worse it's name is pronounced by the us media. because the bad also, and the handle of superintendents an extra terrestrial. and will basically do an asian or who did is very much like the human eyes ational jewels before the world war 2. actually if we just the police are the one who can buy the orange juice, you will get a gets because who didn't is present at the same time. s some brought someone to see should someone, roger a record with county,

someone almost so human and the same time, he's almost human. his intelligence when he's playing and something back, you know, i've seen died of here here in these for instance. what is we can strategy? what is i guess why? what can we expect from seo our, this is doing i, station a leader is no better than immunization of a nation in this. you know, just charge. i mean, the beam of brings up a very good point here. i mean, they, it's never, it's never explicitly said on the western side, what the russians should exactly do it other than just surrender. is that what they want? i mean, i, again, this, this, this fake shuttle diplomacy is for me, it's, is putting on a show that you know where we're giving them an offer. but the point is, is that it's about nato expansion and all of these visits all of these letters, i'll never address russia, security concerns. obviously. that's intentional. george. yes it is in the the

complete faith. so, you know, the constantly wanted to come to moscow constantly. oh, i need to put a phone call. busy and so my prom during this week, i mean he visited moscow on monday that i think on tuesday he had a phone conversation with dan yesterday and, and in our phone conversation. so again, you have the constant conversation and all you knowing is just repeating the same points. you're not in russia. i mean, yes, there's obviously those 2 important documents that the roster presented to the well on december the 17th. but there's other issues that russia is raised, which is for instance, ukraine is going through the motions is refusing to negotiate what it has is supposed to negotiate, implementing the mens to a court over and over again. the russians of insist that all areas in black

and white, this is what you need to do in order to kill him in school course. and then he's up to france and germany, to lean on ukraine to stop negotiating says they don't do it. and so it is right, and this is something and then says, you know what, what is the point of these discussions? if you don't do the minimum. ok, george, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real and stay with our team. ah ah ah, and i make no borders line to nationalities and you various as a merge, we don't have a therapy. we don't have

a vaccine. the whole world leads to take action and to be ready people are judgment. 2 common crisis with we can do better, we should be better. everyone is contributing each in their own way. but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever. the challenge is great, the response has been massive. so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we are in it together with oh, is your media a reflection of reality? ah, in the world transformed what will make you feel safer?

isolation or community? ah, are you going the right way? or are you being with what is true? what is great? in the world corrupted you need to descend, have join us in the depths. will remain in the shallows. ah, ah, welcome back to process were all things are considered idle a bell? this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news. ah. okay, let's go back to george in budapest. don't you remember last week we had ned price

ma spokesperson over at the state department. i'm talking about the that there is somehow some intelligence that the russians are working on a false flag video with actors and fake blood and all of this type of thing here. but isn't that possibly a form of projection? because what i worry about is a provocation and a provocation dealing with what the real problem is, is the entry ukraine complex with q and b, a dumbass known as collectively the don bass. it's what i worry about with all of this military hardware being poured in. ukraine. well that's what it's for is to attack the don bass, obviously not to attack russia and everyone knows that. and then you have some kind of new publication. and you get the video. and then the, the games begin. ok, and they will point to figure the rushes,

the aggressor when in fact it is something that is being played out in an intra ukraine. complex thoughts. i think that's a very good point because we know from the o s. c, observers that there has been an increase, a substantial increase in sci fi violations on the line of content of this heavy weaponry is being pulled into ukraine loss with all the historical rhetoric, supposedly encouraging the ukrainians. then it might well lead to, you know, some people within the, the security intelligence are within your brain in collusion with us and you can just services to stage some. 1 incident because they know that any kind of a military offensive by kid against the dumbass. good. well,

trigger a russian intervention and it's clear from everything that we hear from london and washington. this is what basically they would love to see because they weren't well, they want to see russia isolated. they want to see russia push out of europe altogether. they want nato to be strengthened once again, the british and the americans are in the forefront, the leading, the west against russia. they want whole economy trading contacts in europe and russia to come to an end, a strain to so they want to see this conflict. they don't care about ukraine cause of the future. great. they want to see the sampling. i think that's why it is a dangerous situation and russell so so, so says several times, do you know something we don't i, you know, it is something being planned that we don't know about. so, so i think that, that, you know, you, you, with your concerns of her act demon let, let's go back to august 2008. and you had been predatory, george and president,

soccer feely. he gets a little bit of a nod in the nudge from the u. s. in his adventure in trying to reoccupied south secchia. well, the bush administration got cold feet of the georgian forces were obliterated and self is that he has gone forever from you credit from georgia. now bring it up to speed to the present. it seems to me considering all of the rhetoric because we didn't have that with george when we didn't have this media frenzy with george in 2008. remember it was the eve of the olympic games. but now we've had money since the end of october, high intensity propaganda. com claiming imminent invasion. i don't know anything that is imminent for months on em. but anyway, but this time, if you know, they nudged the ukrainian to say try it again. we don't remember the u. k forces we're, we're completely utterly defeated when they try to take control of the dumbass. now,

this may be the 2nd attempt, the difference between georgia, 2008 and ukraine in 20. 22 is that nato will give them the green light to continue, even though they will not send their own forces their own. they will not put any kind of flesh in the game. they want the ukrainians to do it. what your thoughts are exactly right. that my scenario is there edition or a 1008. let me remind you, are in spring 2008 nato at summit in bucharest. reassurance are that your brain and daughter will at some point in the future. as far as the person that we know now the right decision is going to day when no one cares. nice. read it as basically the green light to take out here and later on. and let me

explain you why. he didn't expect russia because people don't remember that russia had not intervened in test focus since 1990. 2 times of the soviet union was moving in january like the director was not there. so really misread need to misread russia. russia was but he did not do it. and the tragedy and the where the young older, remember she was the big, you know, he kept saying the roster groups are route to believe. see, the problem is that these people in the west, the may still need it or they try their main concern is to make their idea. would you go, you know, there are, there is a proxy, the 78, you know, big games in trying to identify though there are nice and bad. the

problem is check. and if only just so nice, they're all invited can you know, they said we will withdraw our instructors instruct the saline and you re just like them they were, you know, when they will probably be just the way. and the problem is that the west, the media, not remember the banks. lambert's, i mean, i remember that was an 8. it was yesterday there wanted to meet the credit by you know, europe pm did investigate. begin in august 2008 and the commission community that it was georgia, you know, it was but i remember how to be saved on the night before the in

bay. by the way, she, she said, don't, don't stop the war. really is artillery at the moment body to body. look what happened during the bottom night, you know, sorry. it was all in bond please. you know, it was the nominal, but that's why the immediate it basically if i don't get the problem was the doctor was 5 russians. georgia will be ill disposed to want to say, you know, a small nation. all the doors are, they were not the best. the rush money is the same weight. yes. the cleaning team and in 2015, when they attacked the small area, you know, people will be in therapy. they were deterred by the local militia. but now the situation is very different. ukrainian,

army grew. they want all those levels. so now it may be a real bad, and that's why ration on needed there. was there a deterrent? you brilliance prepared for the rush, not be. see george. i mean, you know, i look at these fantasy plans that they have here and i'm glad we have talked about august 2008 with the said here. but when the 1st missile fires, the 1st bullet goes. busy into the air then the fog of war comes into play here. and we, the, the ukrainian military is acquitted itself very, very badly. since the illegal, the overthrow of the democratically elected government in february 2014. the best of plans never work out. ok. and daemon has a very good point that these are the, that the training military under the command of zelinski may want to get the don

bass back. but they don't want to go to war with russia. i think the sullivans and the and the blinking and the, the victoria new ones. they haven't thought this out. they never have thought about . go ahead church. no, i didn't know that. i mean it. but from that perspective of what we're very nicely for the west would be this russian invasion, russia will be seen to be this monster in the eyes of the world with the finally, they would have the evidence that they, they convinced is true, which is, you know, put in is hitler, russia is nazi germany, and therefore, you know, what the, well, the terrible things are there options, but then 24, these looney military scenarios. i just got to march on to kear. they got to besiege care, and then, you know, in reality, all that is likely to happen, they do, the worst comes to the worst,

is that the russians will step in and secure the dumbass. because then that the consequence would be that eventually, you know, the dumbass will be re incorporated with russia. ukraine would lose this territory just as it was a big loss of ukraine, but the nato forestall doesn't sullivan pay? that's great. great, george. you're absolutely right. and this is the twisted logic because a dumbass is already lost if you don't want to implement them in school course, but it's already lost. so what would there, in a sense ukraine is losing really nothing, gains membership. and it's a way for them to say, well, we tried, but the russians took it away from us. i mean, it's a really maniacal plan, but it might work. it might well, because i think there are clearly people within the ukraine intelligence and security up our will be very happy with this. okay, we lose the dom bus,

but we gain entry into the nato club. so now there'll be no arguments against letting in ukraine because they look, you brain is the victim of aggression. i mean, it needs our protection. so bend those and, and the conflict on the ukranian church. it will have been resolved on exception. and you and i talked about this on the goggle crime me is the, is the why in the ointment? and i think that's why before you do and probably curses those days back in february they, she didn't get the prize because the price wasn't the down. the price was grind me and they miss me miss. and that's my whole point. my question got to be. they miscalculate all the time and, and they always blame others for their great ideas. they go, go nowhere, go awry. i gentlemen, that's all the time we're all going to keep a very close eye on this story here. i want to thank my guest in budapest and here in mouse. i want to thank you for watching us here to see you next time. remember,

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