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there's sinks, we dare to ask in ah ah ah hello and welcome to cross stock. we're all things considered. i'm funeral about how much longer can we take the u. s. u k. seriously. there war of words is dangerous and reckless. the rest of nato and even ukraine are much more restraint. if there is a count of debris, ukraine, it will be a conflict. washington in london, endlessly promoted. ah,

ah. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel leon budapest. he's a podcast or at the goggle, which green bought a new 2 man locals. and we also have dmitri bob and she's a political analysts and editor in us me internet media project, or a gentleman cross up close to the fact that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated. or let's start out with georgia in budapest. well georgia, the last 2 days have had this kind of like, i think, fake shuttle diplomacy. everybody wants to come to moscow and they come to moscow and saying that there are, they are there while they're in moscow. and as they're leaving, they say war is eminent, invasion is imminent. ok. no evidence is been presented here. i mean, this is and it's primarily coming from the u. s. and the u. k. a and in between helene, the, the center of all of this at least the western narrative is ukraine. and again, presidents zalinski has come out and asked even his western backers for evidence of

their claims of an imminent invasion. i mean, this is beyond bizarre, it's kafka ask, what is the state of play, george? go ahead. that's a very good question. imagine what it is that the americans and the british in particular are asserted. they are claiming that russia will attack without any kind of publications without issuing a list of demands without an ultimatum, without a list of grievances. just simply an attack out of the blue eye. and you know, which country in the recent past has done just that, of course, nazi germany with barbarossa, which was quite unprecedented in that he was preceded by no demands, no ultimatums, no list of grievances or something. that ross are just going to do this out of the blue. they're going to launch this on provoked attack. and a j sullivan pointed out it's going to be quite a,

is going to be preceded by aerial attacks by ms tiles. then they're going to march on to it. and then so that's the assertion. and now let's think of also about who is really behind is who's leading this propaganda campaign. why jake saw them. and now jake saw them was an absolutely key figure in russia gate, which is also very interesting because this meet with, you know, we have found out more information about the russian gate folks and about how the clinton campaign and that means j solve it basically, funding the spying on, not only the trunk campaign, but the trump president actually going to be trump. so this is the person, the, some of them who is a master of manufacturing process is creating an absolute who it presents no evidence way of his claims. when they keep telling what ross is building up his

forces building up, it wasn't on the number. they say it's 200000 and i think so they said it is building up. it's all the same number i think was 2 months ago. so, you know, these are basically in the business of generating hysterical anti russian global propaganda campaign. and it can have very dangerous consequences, you know, if they're working because i'm sure you know they the parable, you know, the boy that called, well i mean how much longer in the u. k. in the u. s. saying in invasion is it before people don't stop making them seriously. as i pointed out in my introduction, go ahead. i think that basically what we see is that a connection. all gander please use the same time. for example, there is a state and you know, when the real agenda is by the way the process security can stop

by big i don't replace it with a face in minute from the fact that there's also the stakeholder by wagon. like, why wouldn't you sit, although, but you buy america, because everyone is in the, you know, once you joined the bandwagon, you know, the sweets leading those leading and no one tries to otherwise, why daddy's and what happened is that any evidence? basically not a single russian c show made a revenue noise us, you know, along the way your grade. there were no watering. there are no signs or the so called aggression. well russia from, from, from, from the bringing up. what is the boss? no one on that for 70 years about the impression that you get from the

breast is now that you be also, there is another propaganda which is fatal trying to do either your brain doing nato or your brain is currently in the russians here or waiting for is there something in between, you know, it's, it looks like the property from the boys who drive a little guy with keep up why this was the way, basically a car sherry a be enormous neutral countries were relations with russia. relations for the you. i was going on is the basic absurd. dowman says we don't see the russian at that carbon just on saturday present. he said, if there was any show in that, that is possible, let them share it with us and they didn't share my next day. the same as a whole,

george seem a makes of such an important points here. i mean, when i find bewildering and very frustrating is that you have been wallace and list trust and you know, for jobs and all traveling. busy around they don't want to negotiate, they just want to grandstand ok. i mean and list, trust me as being a you know, foreign secretary she, she showed a lot of ignorance of history and geography. and me maybe would be good for someone like that to listen once in a while. if you learn something because she didn't come with the negotiation agenda . she came with a hectoring agenda. george? yeah, excellent point. and it was very interesting that during jake sullivan presser on last friday, and he was off this very question. well, why should we believe your intelligence are we, you know, we had a bad experience with intelligence such as,

they're run up to the iraq war. and it was very different because before iraq that we were presenting intelligence in order to start the war, we are trying to, we try to prevent and we try to stop a war. so imagine that with such cells lose good people. we're trying to stop a war. well, how are you stopping a war by was hysterical denunciations, likening, obviously, contemporary russia to hitler's germany, how you stopping a war by pouring in military hardware into ukraine. how are you stopping a war by encouraging ukrainian or your a c in the format, something that we learned the, the sleep number bed to make any concessions at all. so you're, you're essentially, you know, engendering a wall and then you're trying to, boston, this phony announces your, to stop the war unless dropped,

and the rest of the old russian deescalate, that's the only way we could have peace in the world today is a rush of deescalate but bradley spine, for the british and the american descent forces into the neighborhood. currently, it's fine to send military hardware by the millions of dollars into ukraine. that's. that's fine. that's escalation. but russia conducting exercises with a country batch that's escalation. i mean, you're the ukranian sit and you take pause. i mean you have your western backers sending hundreds of millions of dollars a gated military hardware. while the same time they're sending the western. busy embassy, letting them depend. and so, i mean, isn't that ukraine's western back was actually putting a big target over ukraine. so, i mean, yeah, there's all the stuff you need to buy were what will be behind the line here watching from a very safe distance. maybe zoom here, i mean, it says

a very dangerous perilous message to their friends and ukraine. well, i think you're exactly right. so i think the best we've had so far this, right? this was from out of the leader in the nation where he basically ro, ah, that is presented in the west of a super human most. let me quote an article and it's a motorcycle most the one thing that we were imagination, all the worse it's name is pronounced by the us media because the more you know, the bad also and the handle of superintendents and extra terrestrial. and basically, juma is asian, or google is very much like the human eyes ational jewels before the world war 2. actually if we just, the police are the one who can buy the orange juice. you will get not to put down.

the old lady gets peoples who didn't, is present at the same time as some brought someone to see should someone right in the record with country someone all human. and at the same time, he's almost human. his intelligence, when he's playing in something back, you know, i'm sick and tired of hearing hearing these, for instance. what is strategy? what is on? why a, what can we expect from seo our, this is doing i station a leader is know that a nation in this great, you know, just charge. i mean, the beam of brings up a very good point here. i mean, they, it's never, it's never explicitly said on the western side, what the russians should exactly do it other than just surrender. is that what they want? i mean, i, again, this, this, this fake shuttle diplomacy. it's for me, it's is putting on a show that you know where we're giving them an offer. but the point is,

is that it's about nato expansion in a whole of these visits all of these letters. i'll never address russia, security concerns. obviously. that's intentional. george. yes, it is in the the complete faith. so the constantly wanting to come to moscow constantly. oh, i need to put a phone call. and so my prom during this week. i mean, he visited moscow on monday that i think on tuesday, he had a phone conversation with dan yesterday and, and in our phone conversation. so again, you have a constant conversation and all you knowing is just repeating the same points. you're not, you know, russia, i mean, yes, there's obviously those 2 important documents that russia presented to the well on december the 17th. but there's other issues that russia is raised, which is, for instance, ukraine is going through the motions is refusing to negotiate what it has is

supposed to negotiate, implementing the minutes to court over and over again. the russian insist that you know, it is in black and white. this is what you need to do in order to fill them in school. and then it's up to france and germany, to lean on ukraine to stop negotiating says they don't do it. and so just right, you know, and this is something you can say, you know what, what is the point of these discussions? if you don't do the minimum, ok, george, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our ah ah oh well it shows the wrong one. i'll

just don't move any world yet to save out. disdain becomes the attitude and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground with welcome back to process where all things are considered. i'm feel about this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news. ah okay, let's go back to george in budapest, george, you remember last week we had

a net price la spokesperson, over at the state department, tom talking about the, there is somehow some intelligence that the russians are working on a false flag video with, you know, actors and fake blood and all of this type of thing here. but isn't done possibly a form of projection, because what i worry about is a provocation and a provocation dealing with what the real problem is, is the entry ukraine conflict with and the, the dumbass known as collectively the don bass. that's what i worry about with all of this military hardware being poured into ukraine. well, that's what it's for is to attack the john bass, obviously not to attack russia and everyone knows that. and then you have some kind of new provocation. and you get the video and then the,

the games begin. ok. and they will point to figure the rushes, the aggressor when in fact it is something that is being played out in an intra ukraine complex. i think that's a very good point because we know from the o s. c, observers that there has been an increase, a substantial increase in cease fire violations on the line of conduct. a heavy weaponry is being pulled into ukraine, plus with all the historical rhetoric, supposedly, you know, encouraging the ukrainians. then it might well lead to, you know, some people within the security intelligence are app within ukraine. in collusion with u. s. and u. k. judges services to stage some. 1 incident because they know that any kind of a military offensive, bye kid against the dumbass. good. well,

trigger a russian intervention and it's clear from everything that we hear from london and washington. this is what basically they would love to see because they weren't well, they want to see russia isolated, they want to see russia push out of europe altogether. they want native to be strengthened. once again, the british and the americans are in the forefront of leading the west against russia. they want whole economy trading, contacted in europe and russia to come to an end, a little stream too. so they, they want to see this conflict. they don't care about your grade levels of the future. you're great. they want to see this company, and i think that's why it is a dangerous situation. and the russians themselves and several times do you know something we don't i, you know, it is something being planned that we don't know about. so, so i think that you know, you with your concerns of a demon. let,

let's go back to august 2008. and you had been a very georgian president, soccer feelie. he gets a little bit of a nod in judge from the u. s. in his adventure in trying to reoccupied sell to sac . yeah. well, the bush administration got cold feet of the, the george and forces were obliterated. and so this actually is gone forever from you credit from georgia. now bring it up to speed to the present. it seems to me, considering all of the rhetoric, because we didn't have that with your we didn't have this media frenzy with george in 2008. remember, it was the of the olympic games, but now head mo, since the end of october, high intensity propaganda comm, claiming imminent invasion. i don't know anything that is imminent for months on em, but anyway, but this time, you know, they nudged the ukrainian to say, try it again. we have to remember the care forces were,

were completely utterly defeated when they tried to take control of don bass. now this may be the 2nd attempt, the difference between georgia, 2008 and ukraine in 20. 22 is that nato will give them the green light to continue, even though they will not send their own forces their own. they will not put any kind of flesh in the game. they want the ukrainians to do it. what your thoughts are exactly right. the nightmare scenario is their addition. what happened to 1008? let me remind you in spring 2008. they do at summit in bucharest, reassurance that your brain and daughter will at some point in the future, going late as august the be the person that we know now, right? decision endorsement day and no one cares or really misread it. as basically the green light to take out the see here and later are here are and let me explain you

why he didn't expect russia because he will don't remember that russia had no intervenes interest focus since 1990 since the times of the soviet union around so for middle school in january, like in like the router was not there, you know, so i really misread nato. you misread russia, russia want, but he did not eat. and the tragedy. and well, the old, remember how sexy she wanted to see, you know, she kept saying groups are on the route to believe. see, the problem is that these people in the west the may seem needed. but if they try, their main concern is to make it there you go. fancy. you know, there are, there is a proxy, the senate, they, you know,

or the big games in china side though there are nice and bad and the problem is really good. and if only they just so nice, they're almost invited and you know, they say we will withdraw our instructors, instructor saline and your rate just like they make their work best. you know, when they're both probably, you know, they do and they're probably at least the west the media not remember the short lambert's. i mean, i remember that was an 8 was yesterday there was to meet the credit by the me, you know, you're pm. we investigate the beginning in august 2008 and the commission committee that it was georgia. you know, it will start. but i remember how sad the night before,

the invasion, by the way she, she said don't, don't stop the war. really is artillery at the moment body to body. look what happened to see why it during the bomb night. sorry, i mean, it was all in bomb please. you know, it was not open. i mean that's why immediately when it basically, if i don't get the problem, what the doctor is fight russians. georgia will be ill disposed to what to say. do you know a small nation, you know, don't get lucky, they would look bad. the rush, sunny in the same weight. ah, yes, a 1014 and in 2015. when they tracked that small area, you know, 3 percent of the ukraine therapy. they were deterred by the local militia. now the

situation is very different. ukrainian army group, they want those laptops. so now it may be a real threat, and that's why russia are needed that it was very deterrent. you bring it up, prepare for the past, but then i'll prepare for the russian on b. c. george. i mean, you know, i look at, you know, these are fantasy plans that they have here and i'm glad to. we have talked about august 2008 with how to set here. but when the 1st missile fires, the 1st bullet goes into the air, then the fog of war comes into play here. and we, the, the, the ukrainian military is acquitted so very, very badly on since the legal qu, the overthrow of the democratically elected government in february 2014. the best of plans never work out. ok. and daemon has a very good point the, the, the, the training military under the command of zelinski may want to get the don bass

back. but they don't want to go to war with russia. i think the sullivans and the, and the blinking. and the bit of the victoria new and they haven't thought this out . they never have thought about go ahead church. no, i didn't get sorted out of it. but from their perspective of what would work very nicely for the west would be this russian invasion. russia will be seen to be this monster in the eyes of the world. and with the finally that we have the evidence that they convinced is true, which is, you know, put in is hitler. russia is not germany. and there was, you know, what the, well, the terrible things other options for these looney military scenarios. i just got an extra margin to clear. they got to see if they know that you're in reality, all that is likely to happen. they do,

the worst comes to the worst, is that the russians will step in and secure the dumbass. because then the consequence will be that eventually, you know, the dumbass will be re incorporated within russia. ukraine loses a big loss of ukraine, but the nato and sullivan. ok, that's great. great, george. you're absolutely right. and this is the twisted logic because a dumbass is already lost. if you don't want to implement them in school course, but it's already lost. so what they're in a sense ukraine is losing really nothing against membership and it's a way for them to say, well, we tried, but the russian took it away from us. i mean, it's a really maniacal plan, but it might work. it might well, because i think there are clearly people within the ukraine, intelligence and security are very happy with this. ok, we lose the dumbass,

but we gain entry into the nato club. so now there will be no argument against letting in ukraine because they look, your brain is the victim of aggression. i mean, it needs our protection. so then those and the conflict on the ukranian church, it will have been resolved on the exception. and you and i talked about this on the goggle crime me is the, is the why and the point. and i think that and that's why before you do and probably curses those. busy days back in february they she didn't get the price because the price wasn't the down. the price was dr. b, i and they miss me miss. and that's my whole point. my question to me. they miscalculate all the time and, and, and they always blame others for their great ideas. they go, go, are nowhere go awry. i gentlemen, that's all the time we're all going to keep a very close eye on this story here. i want to thank my guest in budapest and here

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