ah hello and welcome across stock were all things are considered. i'm funeral labelle . how much longer can we take the u. s. and u. k. seriously. there war of words is dangerous and reckless. the rest of nato and even ukraine are much more restraint. if there's a conflict over ukraine, it will be a conflict, washington in london, endlessly promoted. ah. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel leon, budapest. he's a podcast or at the goggle which green found on you to ban locals. and we also have dmitri bob, she's a political analysts and editor in us me internet media project, or gentleman cross stock rolls in effect. that means you can jump anytime you want . and i always appreciated or i, let's start out with georgia in budapest. well georgia,

the last 2 days have had this kind of like, i think, fake shuttle diplomacy. everybody wants to come to moscow and they come to moscow who's saying that there are, they are there while they're in moscow. and as they're leaving, they say war is eminent, invasion is imminent. ok, no evidence is been presented here. i mean, this is and is primarily coming from the u. s. and the u. k. i. and in between time, on the center of all this, at least the western narrative is ukraine. and again, presidents zalinski has come out and asked even his western backers for evidence of their claims of an imminent invasion. i mean, this is beyond bizarre, it's kafka. ask, what is the state of play, george? go ahead. that's a very good question. imagine what it is that the americans and the british in particular, are asserting. they are claiming that russia will attack without any kind of publications without issuing a list of demands without an ultimatum, without

a list of grievances. just simply an attack out of the blue eye. and you know which country in the recent past has done just that. of course. busy nazi germany with barbarossa. we just when i'm president in that it was preceded by no demands, no ultimatums, no list of grievances on the recently the russian. just going to do this out of the blue. they going to launch this on the back end, and j, some of them pointed out, it's going to be quite a savage attack is going to be preceded by aerial attack by missiles, then they're going to march on to it. and then so that's the assertion. and now let's think about also about who is really behind is who's the leading this propaganda campaign? why jake saw them? and now jake saw them was an absolutely key figure in roster gate,

which is also very interesting because this mean, you know, we've added found out more information about the russian gate folks and about how the clinton campaign and that is j. solve it basically, funding the spying on, not only the trunk campaign, but the trump president that actually goes into the trauma center. so this is a person the some of them who is a master of manufacturing process is creating an absolute it presents no evidence for any of his claims. they keep telling what ross is building of the building up. it wasn't on the number, they say it's 200000 and i think it is building up. it's all the same number i think was 2 months ago. so, you know, these are basically in the business of generating hysterical anti russian global propaganda campaign and got have very dangerous consequences. you know,

begin demon is working because i'm sure you know the, the, the parable, you know, the boy that called, well i mean, how much longer can you play in the u. s. saying invasion is emanated before people don't stop taking them seriously. as i pointed out in my introduction, go ahead. oh, i think that basically what we see is that the connection of all gander used at the same time. for example, there is a steak and you know, when the real agenda is released by the way, java is process security concern and they don't, they don't buy big, i don't replace it with a face a job in a rush that there, there's also the stakeholder bandwagon like, why wouldn't you all go by america, because everyone is needed? you know, once you joined the bandwagon, you know, the suite of eating those leading and no one tries to analyze why they're using.

what happened is that any evidence? basically, not a single russian a see show a made a revenue noises. you know, along the way you great, never know ordering. there are no signs. all the so called aggression. well, russia, from, from, from, from the you bring in, what is the one on that was 70 years about the impression that you get from the breast is that you be also, there is another perfect which is fatal trying to do either your brain doing nato or your brain is currently in the russians here awaiting is there something in between? you know, it's, it brooks like get it from the boys who drive a little guy with keep up. why this was the way,

basically car sherry was that actually be in on you to country with relations with russia. good relations for the you and i was going on. is it is absurd because they are brilliant down and says, we don't see the russian car on saturday president. he said, if the west has any intelligence show in that that is possible, let them share it with us and they didn't share. but the next day, the same, it uses, oh george, the mom makes it such an important point here. i mean, when i find bewildering and very frustrating is that you have been wallace and list trust. and you know, of course jobs and all traveling. busy around they don't want to negotiate, they just want to grandstand ok. i mean and lives trust me as being a, you know, foreign secretary she, she showed

a lot of ignorance of history and geography. and me maybe would be good for someone like that to listen once in a while. if you learn something because she didn't come with the negotiation agenda . she came with a hectoring agenda. george? yeah, excellent point. and it was very interesting that during jake sullivan presser on last friday, and he was off this very question. well, why should we believe your intelligence are we, you know, we had a bad experience with intelligence such as, they're run up to the iraq war. and it was very different because before iraq that we were presenting intelligence in order to start the war, we are trying to avert the war. we try to prevent them, we try to stop a war. so imagine that with such self lose good people, we're trying to stop a war. well, how are you stopping a war? by with this hysterical denunciations, likening, obviously,

contemporary russia to hitler, germany, how will you stopping a war by pouring in military hardware into ukraine? how are you stopping a war by encouraging ukrainian jurors in the norman, the format, something that we learned this week, they're not prepared to make any concessions at all. so you get sensually engendering all and then you're trying to boss in this phony and also tried to sub or you know, the list draw from the rest of the russian deescalate, that's the only way we could have peace in the world of russia deescalate. but bradley spine, for the british and the american descent forces into the neighborhood, currently find the military hardware by the millions of dollars into ukraine. that's, that's fine. that's escalation. but russia conducting exercises what it is,

own country bash, that's escalation. i mean, if you're the ukranian sit and you take pause, i mean, you have your western backers sending hundreds of millions of dollars a gated military hardware. well, the same time they're sending the western embassy, letting them depend. and so, i mean, isn't that ukraine's western back was actually putting a big target over ukraine? i mean, yeah, there's all the stuff you need to buy were what will be behind the line here watching from the very same systems. maybe on zoom here. i mean, it said very dangerous perilous message to their friends and ukraine. well, i think you're exactly right. you know, so i think the best we've had so far this crisis was from the leader in the nation where he basically. ringback ro in the west of some

kind of human most let me quote a little article any, some article, most the one thing that we were imagination, all the wes, it's name is pronounced by the us media because the bad also and the handle of superintendents and extra terrestrial and basically it do human, an asian or google is very much like the human eyes ational jewels before the world war 2. actually if we just the police are the one who can buy the orange juice, you will get a gets because we didn't is presented at the same time. s some bought someone decision. someone wrote an a record with country, someone almost so human and the same time, he's always human. his intelligence, when he's playing and something back, you know, i'm sick and tired of here. here in these for instance, what is strategy?

what is i guess why? what can we expect from c o, r? this is doing a station, a leader is know that a nation in this great, you know, just charge. i mean, they deem it brings up a very good point here. i mean, they, it's never, it's never explicitly said on the western side, what the russians should exactly do it other than just surrender. is that what they want? i mean, i, again, this, this, this fake shuttle diplomacy is for me, it's, is putting on a show that you know where we're giving them an offer. but the point is, is that it's about nato expansion. and all of these visits all of these letters, i'll never address brushes, security concerns. obviously. that's intentional. george? yes it is in the the complete faith. so the constantly wanting to come to moscow constantly. oh, i need to put in a phone call the macro during this week. i mean he visited

moscow on monday that i think on tuesday, he had a phone conversation with dan yesterday and, and in our phone conversation. so again, you have a constant conversation, and all you knowing is just repeating the same points. you're not, you know, russia, i mean, guess there's obviously those 2 important documents that russia presented to the well on december the 17th. but there's other issues that russia is raised, which is, for instance, ukraine is going through the motions, this refusing to negotiate what it has is supposed to negotiate. implementing the means to court over and over again, the russians and insist that you know areas in black and white. this is what you need to do in order to filaments because and then it's up to france and germany, to lean on ukraine to stop negotiating says i don't know. and so just right,

you know, and this is something you can say, you know what, what is the point of these discussions? if you don't do the minimum, ok, george, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our ah ah, 100 i make a t s a with come in. we can do better, we should be doing better. everyone is good learning each in their own way,

but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever. the challenge is great. the response has been massive. so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we're in it together. oh and i dropped bankers. are those with there's sinks we dare to ask oh well,

it's showing wrong when i just don't a have to see how this thing becomes the advocate and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves, well, the part we choose to look for common ground. ah, welcome back to process. were all things are considered id labelle? this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah okay, let's go back to george in budapest, don't you remember last week we had a net price mark spokesperson over at the state department,

tom talking about the that there is somehow some intelligence that the russians are working on a false flag video with, you know, actors and fake blood and all of this type of thing here. but isn't that possibly a form of projection? because what i worry about is a provocation and a provocation dealing with what the real problem is, is the entry ukraine conflict with and the the dom bass known as collectively the dom bass. that's what i worry about with all of this military hardware being poured into ukraine. well, that's what it's for is to attack the john bass, obviously not to attack russia and everyone knows that. and then you have some kind of new publication. and you get the video and then the, the games begin. ok. and they will point to figure the rushes, the aggressor when in fact it is something that is being played out in an intra

ukraine complex. i think that's a very good point because so we know from the o s. c, observers that there has been an increase, a substantial increase in cease fire violations on the line of conduct. a heavy weaponry is being called in to ukraine plus with holy historical rhetoric, supposedly encouraging the ukrainians. then it might well lead to some people within the security intelligence are app within your brain in collusion with us and you can just services to stage some. 1 1 incident because they know that any kind of a military offensive by kid against the dumbass. good. well, trigger a russian intervention and it's clear from everything that we hear from london and

washington. this is what basically they would love to see because they weren't well, they want to see russia isolated, they want to see russia pushed out of europe altogether. they want nato to be strengthened once again, the british and the americans are in the forefront, the leading, the west against russia. they want whole economy trading, contacted in europe and russia to come to an end. i think a little strange to so they want to see this conflict. they don't care about ukraine, the cause of the future. great. they want to see this company, and i think that's why it is a dangerous situation. and the russians themselves, i said several times do you know something we don't, i, you know, it is something being planned that we don't know about. so, so i think that, that, you know, you, you your concerns of a demon let. let's go back to august 2008, and you had been a very georgian president, soccer feely. he gets a little bit of

a nod in from the u. s. in his adventure in trying to reoccupied self assess here. well, the bush administration got cold feet of the, the georgian forces were obliterated and saw that he is gone forever from you credit from georgia. now bring it up to speed to the present. it seems to me, considering all the read or because we didn't have that with george, we didn't have this media frenzy with in 2008. remember was the of the olympic games. but now we've had money since the end of october, high intensity propaganda comm claiming imminent invasion. i don't know anything that is imminent for months on em, but anyway, but this time if you nudge the ukrainian to say try it again. we don't remember the u. k. forces were, were completely utterly defeated when they tried to take control of the dumbass. now this may be the 2nd attempt, the difference between georgia,

2008 and ukraine in 20. 22 is that the nato will give them the green light to continue, even though they will not send their own forces their own. they will not put any kind of flesh in the game. they want the ukrainians to do it. what your thoughts are exactly right. so my scenario is a 1008. let me remind you in spring 2008, they do summit in bucharest, reassurance are really that your brain and daughter will at some point in the future, going natal as actually being the person that we know now, right. decision enjoy your day when no one cares are really nice. read it as basically the green light to take out the see here and later are you are and let me explain why he didn't expect russia because you don't remember that. russia

no indeed means interest focus us since 1990 since the times of the soviet union around for middle school in january like in iraq. it was not there. so, or she misread late to misread russia. russia want, but he did not eat it. and the tragedy and well the only downfall that, remember she was the trash. he kept saying the rock groups are on the route to believe. see, the problem is that these people in the west the may still needed to since they tried their main concern is to make it there. i would go, you know, there are there what is the process? the 78, you know, are the big games in trying to identify though there are nice, you know, pretty soon better focus is the problem is really big check. and if only want to

just so nice. they're almost invited and you know, they say we will withdraw our instructors, instructor celine and you just like them. they were, you know, when they're both probably just the whole way and the least that the west, the media. not remember the bank shows lambert's. i mean, i remember that was an 8. it was yesterday there was to meet the credit by the me, you know, a european investigate in august 2008 and the commission committee was georgia with that. you know, it was but i remember how sad the night before, the invasion, by the way, she, she said don't,

don't stop the war. really is our jewelry at the moment body to body. look what happened to him by during the battle night. sorry. it was all in bond, please. you know what the nominal the back that's why to the immediate it basically if i don't get the problem was the daughter was 5 russians. georgia will be ill disposed to want to say, yes, you know, say yes, it's a small nation, you know, don't get it. they were not prepared to face the russian army in the same weight. ah, yes, a 1014. and in 2015 when they try to attack that small area, you know, the percent of the ukrainian 30, they were determined by the local militia. but now the situation is very different because ukrainian army grew, they all those weapons. so now it may be

a real threat, and that's why russia are needed. there was there to turn your brilliance, prepare for the past. well, now prepare for the russian. i'm in the see, george. i mean, you know, i look at the, you know, these fantasy plans that they have here and i'm glad to. we have talked about august 2008 with how to set here. but when the 1st missile fires, the 1st bullet goes into the air, then the fog of war comes into play here. and we, the, the, the ukrainian military is acquitted, so very, very badly on since the legal qu, the overthrow of the democratically elected government. in february, 2014. the best of plans never work out. ok. and daemon has a very good point that these are the, the training military men under the command of zalinski may want to get the don bass back. but they don't want to go to war with russia. i think the sullivans and

the in the blink ins. and the, the victorian new ones, they haven't thought this out. they never have thought about. go ahead church. no, i didn't get sorted out of it. but from their perspective of what would work very nicely for the west would be this russian invasion. russia will be seen to be this monster in the eyes of the world with the finally, they would have the evidence that they, they, this is true, which is, you know, put in is hitler. russia is nazi germany. and therefore, you know what, the, what the terrible things of the russians within 24, these looney military scenarios. i just got to march on to kear. they're going to see if i can hear in reality, all that is likely to happen. they do, the worst comes to the worst, is that those russians will step in and see you the dumbass. because

then that the consequence would be that eventually, you know, the dumbass will be real. cooperate with russia. ukraine loses territory, just a big loss of ukraine. but the nato for salton sullivan. ok, that's great. great, george. you're absolutely right. and this is the twisted logic because a dumbass is already lost if you don't want to implement them in school course, but it's already lost so well they're in a sense ukraine is losing really nothing against membership. and it's a way for them to say, well, we tried, but the russians took it away from us. i mean, it's a really maniacal plan, but it might work. it might well, because i think there are clearly people within the ukraine, intelligence and security are very happy with this. ok, we lose that dumbass, but we gain entry into the nato club. so now there'll be no argument against

letting in ukraine because your brain is the victim of aggression. i mean, it needs our protection. so then those and the conflict on the ukranian church, it will have been resolved on exception. and you and i talked about this on the goggle crime me is the, is the why and the point. and i think that and that's why big story a deal and probably curses those days back, right. they she didn't get the prize, but the prize wasn't the dawn, but the prize was grimy and may miss me, miss. and that's my whole point. my question got to be a miscalculate all the time and, and they always blame others for their great ideas. they go, go, are nowhere go awry. i gentlemen, that's all the time we hope you're all going to keep a very close eye on this story here. what i think my guest in budapest and here in moscow, and i think our viewers are watching us here, are the see you next time, remember, ah,

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