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how much longer can we take the u. s. and u. k. seriously. there war of words is dangerous and reckless. the rest of nato and even ukraine are much more restraint. if there's a conflict over ukraine, it will be a conflict. washington in london, endlessly promoted. ah . to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel leon budapest. he's a podcast or at the goggle, which me bound on you to ban locals. and we also have dmitri bob, she's a political analysts and editor in ost me internet media project. i generally cross up roles in effect, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated or i, let's start out with georgia in budapest. well, georgia, the last 2 days have had this kind of like, i think, fake shuttle diplomacy. everybody wants to come to moscow and they come to moscow who's saying that there are, they are there while they're in moscow. and as they're leaving, they say war is eminent, invasion is imminent. ok. no evidence is been presented here. i mean this is and is

primarily coming from the u. s. and the u. k. i. and in between time, um, the center of all of this, at least the western narrative is ukraine. and again, presidents zalinski has come out and asked even his western backers for evidence of their claim, some an imminent invasion. i mean this is beyond bizarre, it's kafka ask, what is the state of play, george? go ahead. that's a very good question. just imagine what it is that the americans and british in particular, are assertive. they are claiming that russia will attack without any kind of publications without issuing a list of demands without an ultimatum, without a list of grievances. just simply attack out of the blue eye and you know, which country in the recent past has done just that. of course, nazi germany with barbarossa. we just when i'm president. and in that it was

preceded by no demands, no ultimatums, no list of grievances on the recently the russian. just going to do this. i will blow into launched a song and a j. some of them pointed out it's going to be quite a savage attack. is going to be preceded by aerial attack by missiles, then they're going to march on to it. and then, so that's the assertion. and now let's think about also about who is really behind is who's the leading this propaganda campaign? why jake saw them? and now jake saw them was an absolutely key figure in roster gate, which is also very interesting because this meet with, you know, we've added found out more information about the russian gate folks and about how the clinton campaign and that is j sullivan. it basically funding the

spying on, not only the trunk campaign, but the trump president, that actually goes into the trump so. so this is a person the, some of them who is a master of manufacturing process is created an absolute. it presents no evidence where any of these claims will they keep telling what ross is building of the building. busy up, it's wasn't normal, they think it's still a $100000.00 and i think it is building up. it's all the same number i think was 2 months ago. so these are basically in the business of generating hysterical and do russian global propaganda campaign. gotta have very dangerous consequences. you know, begin demon is working because i'm sure you know the, the, the parable, you know, the boy that called, well, i mean, how much longer can you play in the us saying, invasion is emanated before people don't stop taking them seriously. as i pointed

out in my introduction, go ahead. oh, i think that basically what we see is that the connection of all propaganda, please use that the same time. for example, there is a steak and you know, when the real agenda is replaced by the way java is process security concern. no, they don't buy big. i don't replace it with a face, a job in a rush that, that there is also the stakeholder bandwagon. like why wouldn't you sit, although, but why, why are you because everyone is needed. you know, once you've joined the bandwagon, you know, the suite of eating those leading and no one tries to otherwise, why daddy's and what happened is that any evidence, basically not a single russian to see show made a revenue noises. you know, along the way your grade,

there were no watering. there are no signs or the so called aggression. well russia from, from, from, from the you bring in, what is the one on that for 70 years about the impression that you get from the west. the breast is that you be also, there is another perfect which is fatal. either your brain doing nato or your brain is currently in the rush, 0 influence. is there something in between? you know, it looks like a boy who drive a loan guy with why this was the way, basically, car sherry was advertised, actually be and known. you to country was relations with russia. good relations for the you and was going on. is it is basically absurd because they are breaking down

and says, we don't see the russian car on saturday. president asked, he said, if the west has any intelligence show in that that is possible, let them share it with us and they didn't share. but the next day the same it is asians, whoa, george, the mom makes of such an important. busy point here, i mean when i find bewildering and very frustrating is that you have been wallace and list trust and you know, of course jobs and all traveling around they don't want to negotiate. they just want to grandstand ok, i mean, and this trust me as being a, you know, foreign secretary, she, she showed a lot of ignorance of history and geography in me. maybe would be good for someone like that to listen once in a while. if you learn something because she didn't come with the negotiation agenda, she came with a hectoring agenda. george?

yeah, excellent point. and it was very interesting that during jake sullivan presser, last friday, and he was off this very question. well, why should we believe your intelligence are we, you know, we had a bad experience with intelligence such as, they're run up to the iraq war. and it was very different because before iraq that we were presenting intelligence in order to start a war, we are trying to avert a war. we try to prevent them. we try to stop war. so imagine that with such cells was good. people were trying to stop a war. well, how are you stopping a war by was this hysterical denunciations, likening, obviously, for contemporary russia to hitler's germany. how are you stopping a war by pouring in military hardware into ukraine? how are you stopping a war? by encouraging ukrainian or your a c,

a sleep number bed to make any concessions at all. so you're, you're essentially in gendering a wall and then you're trying to boston, this phony as you're trying to store and list trust and the rest are most deescalate. that's the only way we could have peace in. well, today's profit, deescalate, but bradley is fine for the british, and the americans to send forces into the neighborhood currently is fine to send military hom, where you know, by the millions of dollars in, into ukraine. that's fine. that's not escalation, but russian conducting exercises with its own country. that's escalation. mean you're the ukranian sitting, you take on to me. you have your western back or sending hundreds of millions of

dollars of sophisticated military hardware. well, the same time they're sending the western. busy embassy, letting their dependence so, i mean, isn't that when you cranes western backers actually putting a big target overview? crazy. well, i mean, you know, there's all the stuff you need to buy were what will be up behind the line. here we watch it from a very safe distance. maybe on zoom here. i mean, it sounds very dangerous perilous message to their friends and ukraine. or i think you're exactly right. a. i thought we've had so far this crisis was thrown out of the leader in the nation where he basically wrote that jan is present, that in the west of a super human most. let me quote a little even any, some article most. the one thing that we were imagination, all the wes, it's name is pronounced by the us media because the more you know,

the bad, that also was the handle of superintendents and extra terrestrial. and basically, it demon ends, asian or google is very much like the human eyes ational jewels before the world war 2. actually if we just, the police are the one who can buy the orange juice. you will get lots of people down. the old lady gets peoples who didn't is present at the same time as some brought someone deficient. someone wrote in a regular country, someone almost so human. and at the same time, he's almost human. his intelligence, when he's playing and something back, you know, i'm tired of here here in these for instance. what is strategy? what is, i guess why? what can we expect from him? are this is doing a station, a leader is know that a nation in this great, you know, just charge. i mean the, the beam of brings up

a very good point here. i mean, they, it's never, it's never explicitly said on the western side, what the russians should exactly do it other than just surrender. is that what they want? i mean, i, again, this, this, this fake shuttle diplomacy is for me, it's, is putting on a show that you know where we're giving them an offer. but the point is, is that it's about nato expansion. and all of these visits all of these letters, i'll never address russia, security concerns. obviously. that's intentional. george. yes it is. is a complete faith. and so you know, they're constantly wanting to come to moscow constantly. oh, i need to put in a phone call. and so my chrome during this week, i mean he visited moscow on monday. then i thing on tuesday, he had a phone conversation with dan yesterday and, and in our phone conversation. so again, you have a constant conversation,

and all you knowing is just repeating the same points. you're not, you know, russia, i mean, yes, there's obviously those 2 important documents that russia presented to the well on december the 17th. but there's other issues that russia is raised, which is, for instance, ukraine is going through the motions is refusing to negotiate what it has is supposed to negotiate. implementing the means to court over and over again. the russian insist that you know, it is in black and white. this is what you need to do in order to filaments because and then it's up to france and germany, to lean on ukraine to stop negotiating says they don't know it. and so just right, you know, and this is something you can say, you know what, what is the point of these discussions? if you don't do the minimum, ok, george, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our ah

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tears thinks we dared to ask in a spell. the magic cross stock were all things considered idle a bell? this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news. ah. okay, let's go back to george in budapest, george you remember last week we had ned price mar spokesperson, over at the state department docking about the that there is somehow some intelligence that the russians are working on. a false flag video with actors and fake blood and all of this type of thing here. but isn't that possibly

a form of projection? because what i worry about is a provocation and a provocation dealing with what the real problem is, is the entry ukraine conflicts with kids and the dumbass known as collectively the dom, bass. i what i worry about with all of this military hardware being poured into ukraine . well, that's what it's for, is to attack the don bass, obviously not to attack russia and everyone knows that. and then you have some kind of new provocation. and you get the video and then the, the games begin. ok. and they will point to figure the rushes, the aggressor when in fact it is something that is being played out in an intra ukraine conflict. thoughts. i think that's a very good point because we know from the o s. c, observers that there has been an increase, a substantial increase in cease fire violations on the line of conduct.

a heavy weaponry is being pulled into ukraine. plus with all the hysterical rhetoric, supposedly encouraging the ukrainians, then it might well lead to, you know, some people within the security intelligence are within ukraine in collusion with us. and you can just services to stage some. 1 incident because they know that any kind of a military offensive by kid against the dumbass. good. well, trigger a russian intervention and it's clear from everything that we hear from london and washington. this is what basically they would love to see because they weren't well, they want to see russia isolated. they want to see russia push out of europe altogether. they want natal to be strengthened once again, the british and the americans are in the forefront of leading the west against

russia. they want whole economy trading, contacted in europe and russia to come to an end. i think a little strange to so they want to see lisa conclave, they don't care about ukraine, the cause of the future. you great. so they want to see the sampling. i think that's why it is a dangerous situation and the russians themselves and says several times, do you know something we don't i, you know, it is something being planned that we don't know about. so, so i think that you know, you, you, with your concerns of her act demon let, let's go back to august 2008. and you had been predatory, george and president, soccer feely. he gets a little bit of a nod in the nudge from the u. s, in his adventure in trying to reoccupied south secchia. well, the bush administration got cold feet of the georgian forces were obliterated an se

that he has gone forever. from you credit from a ga. now bring it up to speed to the present. it seems to me considering all of the rhetoric because we didn't have that with george. we didn't, we didn't have this media frenzy with george in 2008. remember was the eve of the olympic games. but now we've had much since the end of october, high intensity propaganda. com claiming imminent invasion. i don't know anything that is imminent for months on em, but anyway, but this time, if you know, they nudged the ukrainian to say try it again. we have to remember the care forces were, were completely utterly defeated when they tried to take control of the dumbass. now this may be the 2nd attempt, the difference between georgia, 2008 and ukraine in 2022 is that nato will give them the green light to continue, even though they will not send their own forces their own. they will not put any kind of flesh in the game,

they want the ukrainians to do it. what your thoughts are exactly right. now my scenario is there edition or a 1008. let me remind you. in spring 2008 may do to reassure that your brain and daughter will at some point in the future, going as far as the person that we know. now the right decision is going to day when no one cares really nice. read it as basically the green light to date and later are part of it. and let me explain you why. he didn't expect russia, because people don't remember that russia had no interest focuses since 1999. so the soviet union was sort of moving in january like in like, director was not there. so really misread. need to you,

misread russia. russia was, but he did not. and the tragedy. and where the old, the, remember the deep, she was the, you know, he kept saying the rock groups are all the route to believe. see, the problem is that these people in the west the may still need it. but if they try, their main concern is to make it there you go. fancy. you know, there are, there is a proxy, the 78. you know, the big games in china side though there are nice the better the problem is this big chip. and if only it will just so nice that almost invited can you know, they said we will withdraw our instructors,

instructor celine and your rate just like they make their work best. you know, when they're both, probably, you know, they do and probably at least the west the media not remember they show lambert's. i mean i remember that was an 8 was yesterday there was to meet the credit by the me, you know, you're pm. we investigated the beginning in august 2008 and the commission committee that it was georgia. you know, it will start but i remember how sad behaved on the night before the in beijing, by the way, she, she said don't, don't stop the war. really is artillery at the moment, body to body. look what happened to see why it during the bomb night. sorry, i mean, it was all in bomb please. you know, it was not open. i mean,

that's why immediately when it basically, if i don't get the problem was the doctor was fine russians. georgia will be ill disposed to what to say. do you know a small nation all the doors, but they were not prepared to rush in the same way? yes, you follow them 14 and in 2015 when they 1st but that, that small area, you know, people of the ukrainian therapy they were deterred by the local militia. but now the situation is very different. but what you bring in on the group, they go those levels. so now it may be a real bed, and that's why ration on needed there. was there and determine your brilliance prepared for the boss. quite the rush, not be st. george. i mean, you know,

i look at these fantasy plans that they have here and i'm glad to. we have talked about august 2008 with the set here. but when the 1st missile fires, the 1st bullet goes into the air in the fog of war comes into play here. and we, the, the, the ukrainian military is acquitted, so very, very badly on since the legal who the overthrow of the democratically elected government in february 2014 the best of plans never work out. ok. and daemon has a very good point the, the, the, the training military under the command of zelinski may want to get the don bass back. but they don't want to go to war with russia. i think the sullivans and the and the blinking and leave it victoria new and they haven't thought this out. they never have thought about go ahead church. no, i didn't go to that. i mean, but from that perspective of what we're very nicely for

the west would be this russian innovation. russia will be seen to be this monster in the eyes of the world with the finally, then we have the evidence that they convinced is true, which is, you know, put in is hitler. russia is nazi germany. and therefore, you know what, the terrible things of the russians wanting for these looney military scenarios. i just got to march on to key. are they going to besiege care? know that you're in reality, all that is likely to happen is the worst comes to the worst, is that the russians will step in and secure the dumbass. because then that the consequence will be that eventually, you know, the dumbass will be re incorporated within russia. ukraine loses a big loss of ukraine,

but the nato for salton sullivan. ok, that's great. great, george. you're absolutely right. and this is the twisted logic because bass is already lost. if you don't want to implement them in school courts that it's already lost. so what we'll do in a sense, ukraine is losing really nothing against membership, and it's a way for them to say, well, we tried, but the russians took it away from us. i mean, it's a really maniacal lab, but it might work. it might well because i think there are clearly people within the ukraine, intelligence and security are very happy with this. ok, we lose the dom bus, but we gain entry into the nato club. so now there will be no argument against letting in ukraine because they look, you brain is the victim of aggression. i mean, it needs our protection. so then those and, and the conflict on the ukranian church. it will have been the result on

exception. and you and i talked about this on the goggle crime me is the, is the why and the appointment. and i think that's why are you doing probably curses those days back in february they, she didn't get the prize, but the price wasn't the down. the price was grind me and they miss me miss. and that's my whole point. my question going to be, think miscalculate all the time and, and, and they always blame others for their great ideas. they go, go nowhere, go awry. i gentlemen, that's all the time we're all going to keep a very close eye on this story here. i want to thank my guest in budapest and here in milestone i think our viewers are watching us here are the see you next time remember? ah, ah,

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