deaths and increasing that her immunity, which was of course, at the target earlier in the pandemic. while the dna jazz, i'm definitely done a great job with, with, with the vaccination. no question about that. where we haven't got as many people vaccinated as some countries. so we must pretend that with the absolute example here, we still have 6000000 people who are not vaccinated. and the governments, of course, are long since founded any pretence of following the science. so that giving up all restrictions at the end of this month, including the need to self isolate. and this is a time when we still have one desk every 6 minutes, 250 decks today, from covey. 14000 didn't patients. so over 800000 new cases every day. so the problem is not that the vaccine hasn't been successful. is that all the other

things that you do that compliments the vaccine roll out a being neglected, such as testing, tracing, supporting mosque, wearing these kinds of things. all right, so we have time for today. appreciate your time. no on the program, no punches pediatrician and co chair of people as public. many thanks. thank you. was the scene for cross thought coming your way. just a few moments time. the team and i all back in half an hour or just about mid month time through doing this again. then for the very like, ah, join me every 1st on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport. business. i'm show business, i'll see you then. me ah,

ah. hello and welcome across stock were all things are considered. i'm funeral labelle . how much longer can we take the u. s. and u. k. seriously. there war of words is dangerous and reckless. the rest of nato and even ukraine are much more restraint. if there's a conflict over ukraine, it will be a conflict. washington in london, endlessly promoted. ah. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel leon budapest. he's a podcast or at the goggle, which me bought a new to ban locals. and we also have dmitri bob, she's a political analysts and editor in us me internet media project. i gentleman cross

up close to the fact that music and jumping in time you want and i would appreciate it. or i would start out with georgia in budapest. well, georgia, the last 2 days have had this kind of like, i think, fake shuttle diplomacy. everybody wants to come to moscow and they come to moscow and saying that there are, they are there while they're in moscow. and as they're leaving, they say war is eminent, invasion is imminent. ok. no evidence is been presented here. i mean this is and is primarily coming from the u. s. and the u. k. i. and in between helene um the center of all this, at least the western narrative is ukraine. and again, presidents zalinski has come out and asked even his western backers for evidence of their claim, some an imminent invasion. i mean this is beyond bizarre, it's kafka ask, what is the state of play, george? go ahead. that's a very good question. imagine what it is that the americans and british in particular, or say they are claiming that russia will attack without any kind of publications

without issuing a list of demands without an ultimatum, without a list of grievances. just simply an attack out of the blue eye and, you know, which country in the recent past has done just that. of course, nazi germany with barbarossa. we just, when i'm president in that he was preceded by no demands, no, all to make a list of grievances on the recently the russian. just going to do this. i'm going to blow into launch this on the deck and i, j. some of them pointed out, it's going to be quite a savage, and i, you know, it's going to be preceded by aerial attack by missiles, then they're going to march on to it. and then, so that's the assertion. and now let's think about also about who is really

behind is who's leading this propaganda campaign. why jake saw them, and now jake saw them was an absolutely key figure in roster gate, which is also very interesting because this meet with, you know, we've added found out more information about the russian gate folks and about how the clinton campaign and that the state so it basically funding the spying on, not only the trunk campaign, but the trump president actually got into the trump. so this is a person the some of them who is a master of manufacturing process is creating an absolute it presents no evidence for any of his claims. they keep telling what ross is building of the building up. it wasn't on the number, they say it's 200000 and i think so they said it is building up. it's all the same number i think was 2 months ago. so these are basically in the business of

generating a hysterical and do russian global propaganda campaign. can have very dangerous consequences. you know, begin demon, is it working because i'm sure you know, the, they the parable, you know, the boy that called, well, i mean, how much longer can you pay in the u. s. saying invasion as emanated before. people don't stop making them seriously, as i pointed out in my introduction, go ahead. oh, i think basically what we see is that a collection of all gander used at the same time. for example, there is a steak and you know, when the real agenda is released by the way java is processed during the concert by big i don't replace that with the agenda in a rush. the fact that there is also the stakeholder bandwagon. like, why wouldn't you all go by america? because everyone is needed?

you know, once you joined the band where you know the suite a leading those leading and no one tries to otherwise, why daddy and what happened is that any evidence? basically, not a single russian official made a revenue noise us, you know, no one said that you never know bordering there are no signs. all the so called aggression. well russia from, from, from, from the you bring in, what is the boss? no one on there for 70 years about the impression that you get from the breast is now that you be also, there is another propaganda which is fatal trying to do either your brain doing nato or your brain is currently in the rush. 0 influence isn't there?

something in between, you know, it looks like a boy who drive a loan guy with why this was the way, basically, car sherry was advertised at u. b. b and known. you to country was relations with russia. good relations for the you and was going on. is it is absurd because they are breaking down and says, we don't see the russian car just on saturday president. he said, if the west has any parents show in that that, that is possible, let them share it with us and they didn't share. but the next day the same, it uses this whole george team a makes of such an important. busy points here, i mean, when i find bewildering and very frustrating is that you have been wallace and list trust and you know, of course jobs and all traveling around they don't want to negotiate. they just

want to grandstand ok, i mean, and liz trust me as being a, you know, foreign secretary, she, she showed a lot of ignorance of history and geography. and me maybe would be good for someone like that to listen once in a while. if you learn something because she didn't come with the negotiation agenda, she came with a hectoring agenda. george. yeah, excellent point. and it was very interesting that during jake sullivan's press ok last friday and he was off this very question. well, why should we believe your intelligence? and you know, we had a bad experience with intelligence such as they're run up to the iraq war. and it was very different because before iraq that we were presenting intelligence in order to start a war, we are trying to avert a war. we try to prevent them. we try to stop war. so imagine that with such cells

was good. people were trying to stop a war. well, how are you stopping a war. busy by was hysterical denunciations, likening, obviously, contemporary russia to hitler, germany, how are you stopping a war by pouring in military hardware into ukraine? how are you stopping a war by encouraging ukrainian or your a c, a sleep number bed to make any concessions at all. so you're, you're essentially, you know, engendering a wall and then you're trying to, boston, this phony as you're trying to store and the rest of the russian most deescalate, that's, that's the only way we could have peace in the world. laser profit deescalate, but bradley is fine. for the british and the americans to send forces into the

neighborhood currently is fine to send military hom, where you know, by the millions of dollars in, into ukraine. that's fine. that's all escalation, but russian conducting exercises with its own country. that escalation, mean, if you're the ukrainian sitting, you take policy, i mean, you have your western back or sending hundreds of millions of dollars of dated military hardware. well, the same time they're sending the western embassy, letting their dependence. so, i mean, isn't that when you cranes western back is actually putting a big target overview crane? i mean, you know, there's all the stuff you need to buy. we're what will be up behind the line here. we watch it from a very safe distance. maybe on zoom here, i mean, it sounds very dangerous perilous message to their friends and ukraine. well, i think you're exactly right. you know. so i think that always had so far this crisis was thrown out of the leader of the nation where he basically grow

or who is present that in the west of some kind o s u human most to let me quote a legal article and it's a motorcycle most the one thing the fever imagination, all the worse it's name is pronounced by the u. s. media. because the body of the bad, the also in the handle of superintendents and extra terrestrial. and basically, duma is asian or food. it is very much like the human ice ational jewels before the world war 2. actually if we just the police are the one who can buy the orange juice. you would get not to put down the old stuff gets because who didn't is presented at the same time. s some bought someone decision, someone jordan, arapahoe county, someone almost so human. and at the same time, he's all human intelligence. when he's playing and something back, you know,

i'm sick and tired of hearing hearing these are essence. what is strategy? what is on? why a, what can we expect from c o r? this is a leader, is no better than immunization of a nation in this. you know, just charge. i mean the, the beamer brings up a very good point here. i mean they, it's never, it's never explicitly said on the western side what the russians should exactly do it other than just surrender. is that what they want? i mean, i, again, this, this, this fake shuttle diplomacy. it's, it, for me, it's is putting on a show that you know where we're giving them an offer. but the point is, is that it's about nato expansion in all of these visits, all of these letters. i'll never address russian security concerns. obviously. that's intentional. george. yes, it is in a complete faith. so the constantly wanting to come to moscow

constantly. oh, i need to put in a phone call. and so my crown during this week, i mean he visited moscow on monday that i thing on tuesday, he had a phone conversation with dan yesterday and, and in our phone conversation. so again, you have the constant conversation, and all you knowing is just repeating the same points. you're not, you know, russia, i mean, yes, there's obviously those 2 important documents that russia presented to the well on december the 17th. but there's other issues that russia is raised, which is, for instance, ukraine is going through the motions. it's refusing to negotiate what it has. it's supposed to negotiate, implementing the minutes to court over and over again. the russians of insist that all areas in black and white,

this is what you need to do in order to filaments because and then it's up to france and germany, to lean on ukraine to stop negotiating says, i don't know as soon as i go and this is something you can say, you know what, what is the point of these discussions? if you don't do the minimum. ok, george, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with ah ah oh, the wrong one, i'll just don't hold any world to shave out. disdain becomes the advocate. an engagement equals the trail. when so

many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. hello, this with thinks we dare to ask in a small the match across stock were all things are considered idle a bell? this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news. ah

. okay, let's go back to george in budapest, george you remember last week we had a net price mark spokesperson over at the state department talking about the there is somehow some intelligence that the russians are working on a false flag video with actors and fake blood and all of this type of thing here, but isn't that possibly a form of projection? because what i worry about is a provocation and a provocation dealing with what the real problem is, is the entry ukraine conflict with and the a dumbass known as collectively the don bass. it's what i worry about with all of this military hardware being poured into ukraine. well, that's what it's for is to attack the don bass,

obviously not to attack russia and everyone knows that. and then you have some kind of provocation. and you get the video. and then the, the games begin. ok, and they will point to figure the rushes, the aggressor when in fact it is something that is being played out in an intra ukraine conflict. thoughts. i think that's a very good point because we're, we know from the o. s. c, observers that there has been an increase, a substantial increase in cease fire violations on the line of conduct. a heavy weaponry is being pulled into ukraine plus, with all the historical rhetoric, supposedly, you know, encouraging the ukrainians. then it might well lead to, you know, some people within the security intelligence are within your brain in collusion with us and you can just services to stage some. 1

incident because they know that any kind of a military offensive by kid against the don't boss. good. well, trigger a russian intervention and it's clear from everything that we hear from london and washington. and this is what basically they would love to see because they want what they want to see russia isolated. they want to see russia pushed out of europe altogether. they want natal to be strengthened once again, the british and the americans are in the forefront. the leading, the west against russia, they one whole economy trading, contacted in europe and russia to come to an end, a little stream too. so they, they want to see this conflict. they don't care about ukraine because of the future . great. they want to see this company, and i think that's why it isn't dangerous situation and the russians themselves and said several times, do you know something we don't, i, you know,

it is something being planned that we don't know about. so, so i think that you know, you, your concerns with a demon. let. let's go back to august 2000 eights. and you had and then another, a georgian president, soccer feely. he gets a little bit of a nod in the nudge from the u. s. in his adventure in trying to reoccupied south secchia, well, the bush administration got cold feet of the, the georgian forces were obliterated, and se that he has gone forever from you credit from georgia. now bring it up to speed to the present. it seems to me considering all of the rhetoric because we didn't have that with george. we didn't, we didn't have this media frenzy with george in 2008. remember was the eve of the olympic games. but now we've had, mom is since the end of october, high intensity propaganda comm, claiming imminent invasion. i don't know anything that is imminent for months on em,

but anyway, but this time, you know, they nudged the ukrainian to say, try it again. we have to remember the care forces were, were completely utterly defeated when they tried to take control of the dumbass. now this may be the 2nd attempt, the difference between georgia, 2008 and ukraine in 20. 22 is that nato will give them the green light to continue, even though they will not send their own forces their own. they will not put any kind of flesh in the game. they want the ukrainians to do it. what your thoughts are exactly right. now my scenario, is there an addition or a 1008? let me remind you are in spring 2008. they do at summit than bucharest. reassurance are that your brain and daughter will at some point in the future, going as soccer see be, is the person that we know now, right. decision endorsement day when no one cares. ah,

really nice. read it as basically the green light to take out the see here and later. and let me explain you why. he didn't expect russia. because people don't remember that russia has not intervened in focus since 1999. so the soviet union when started moving in january like in like director, was not there. so really misread, need to misread russia. rational walk, but he did not. and the tragedy and where the young older, remember she was you know, he kept saying the roster groups are on the route to believe. see the problem is that these people in the west the may still they try their main concern is to make

it there. you go fancy, you know, there are, there is a proxy the senate said, you know, are the big games in china side though. there are nice presumes better the problem is really get the check. and if only it will just so nice. they're all invited and you know, they said we will withdraw our instructors, instructor saline and your rate just like they make their work best. you know, when they will probably be just that they do and they're probably at least the media not remember the short lambert's. i mean, i remember that was an 8 was yesterday there was like to meet the credit by the me, you know, you're a pm. we investigated the beginning in august 2008 and the commission

committee in georgia. you know, it was but i remember how the night before there in b g, by the way she, he said don't attack, don't stop the war. really is are period nolan. what's goen? body to body? who haven't seen it during the bomb night. soccer speed is, it was all in one place. you know, it wasn't, i mean, over there. that's why collapsed immediately when it basically the order of the problem was that i just didn't want to fight russians. georgia will be disposed to want to say, yes, you know, or say yes, it's a small nation. all don't get it. they were not prepared to face the russian army in the same way. yes, a 1014,

and in 2015 when they for that small area, you know, 3 percent of the ukraine therapy, they were deterred by the local militia. now the situation is very different because you bring in on the group. they want all those weapons. so now it may be a real threat. and that's why russia are needed. there was, there is the term, you bring it up, prepare for the past, but then i'll prepare for the russian on b. c, george, i mean, you know, i look at, you know, these fantasy plans that they have here and i'm glad to we have talked about august 2008 with the set here. but when the 1st missile fires, the 1st bullet goes. busy into the air, then the fog of war comes into play here. and we, the, the, the cranium military is acquitted, so very, very badly on, since the legal, coo, the overthrow of the democratically elected government in february 2014. the best

of plans never work out. ok. and daemon has a very good point. the the, the, the training military. my for the command of zelinski may want to get the don bass back, but they don't want to go to war with russia. i think the sullivans and the and the blinking and the bit of the victoria new and they haven't thought this out. they never have thought about go ahead church. no, i didn't know that. i mean, but from that perspective of what we're very nicely for the west would be this russian invasion, russia will be seen to be this monster in the eyes of the world. and with the finally, they will have the evidence that they convinced is true, which is, you know, put in is hitler. russia is nazi germany, and therefore, you know, what, the terrible things are there options, but there are 24 these looney military scenarios. i just got to march on to key.

are they going to besiege care? and then, you know, in reality, all that is likely to happen is the worst comes to the worst, is that the russians will step in and secure the dumbass. because then that the consequence would be that eventually, you know, the dumbass will be re incorporated within russia. ukraine would lose this territory just as it was a big loss of ukraine, but the nato phone book and sullivan. ok, that's great. great, george. you're absolutely right. and this is the twisted logic because a dumbass is already lost if you don't want to implement them in school course, but it's already lost. so what would there, in a sense ukraine is losing really nothing against membership. and it's a way for them to say, well, we tried, but the russians took it away from us. i mean, it's a really maniacal plan,

but it might work. it might well, because i think there are clearly people within the ukraine, intelligence and security are very with this. ok, we lose the dom bus, but we gain entry into the nato club. so now there will be no argument against letting in ukraine because they look, you brain is the victim of aggression. i mean, it needs our protection. so then those and, and the conflict on the ukranian church. it will have been the result on exception. and you, and i've talked about this on the goggle crime me is the, is the why in the ointment? and i think that and that's why are you doing probably curses those days back in february they she didn't get the prize because the price wasn't the down. the price was grimy. i had made a mistake. and that's my whole point. my question got to be, they miscalculate all the time and, and, and they always blame others for their great ideas. they go, go nowhere,

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