ah, i'm african return senior watching, going underground on valentine's day coming over the show says he is on from the signing of the maastricht treaty that established the european union is the economic superpower losing it to muscle after arguably succumbing to u. s. influence over russia, ukraine. the made fresh disputes of the post breaks at northern ireland protocol. we ask you nato interlocutor in the form of special assistance. the u. s. president, barack obama, and it's 70 years since the then princess elizabeth was told she was queen amidst the brutal ma my rebellion in kenya. but his can he really free from british colonialism? 59 years of independence and still over 50 percent of children in kenya and living in poverty. we investigate all the small coming up in today's going on the ground. but 1st that he has this month, the maastricht treaty was signed by 12 nations establishing the european union and paving the way for the single currency, the euro. now that he has on it's deemed in economic superpower, while arguably dividing many on its future existence. in recent days though,

there were been fresh disputes over the post brexton with an island protocol with the you calling for suspension. meanwhile, standing firm on its position of a russian tensions with non e u. member ukraine. well, joining me now from chevy chase in maryland is professor charles cop, john senior fellow and director of european studies at the council of foreign relations. thank you so much all for coming back on 30 years. of course, people may remember your boss, president obama, when you a national security council, european affairs, a direct era trying to get britain to remain in the european union. what do you think that he is a success? you know, if we had this conversation 5 years ago and i would, i would have said, europe looks pretty shaky and match because you know, breaks it was on the horizon in france, you had been national rally and germany, the alternatives for, for germany. and then you had the pandemic and one could have said, whoa,

the populists are gonna are going to prevail. yes, breaks it has happened. it's been pretty ugly. but b, e, u, i think his is in remarkably good shape. i'm pretty beat about development on the continent in part because the center, his hell. we just had a normal election in germany, italy, it wasn't pretty. but martha rella, the president druggie the prime minister, have agreed to stay put. i think it's probably likely that my crime is going to be re elected. so the center is holding. you've had a mutual ization of death that nobody expected to try to get your economies back up on their feet. immigration is under control again, not pretty bribing era. to want to keep syrians in turkey, bribing libyans to keep africans in libya, but you know, it's for now working. so, and then the final thing is,

is the relationship with the united states is back in pretty good shape. europeans are happy that biden is in office. i think everybody is asking for how long is he going to lose? the house in november is republican. maybe even trump going to be reelected, but at least for now, we're seeing a level of us european solidarity. that's pretty impressive. ok, well i, i should just say that obviously the german government certainly schultz is free just as a medical denies. he bribed any one and cause you k prime minister course johnson completely rejects that record. has been ever, i think, any kind of a mess. but i mean, i suppose i should say that the off to used phrase that the, you prevented a war and that's not true. you just love your, of course, was a war when the european union was around. well, i think you have to give your a pretty high marks for preserving peace in large swath of europe. the

border between france and germany wide open the border between germany and poland open. it's worked, integration has largely achieved its objectives. has europe emerged as a geopolitical heavyweight? now, is mccrory trying to address that issue? yes. is he going to succeed? probably not any time. soon. but the bottom line here is that you have in europe an integrated market, pretty strong political unity. it is one of the most successful political revolutions if you will, of the 20th century. and of course, there are these tensions now as regards the know the non protocol, what do you think the view is in the bible administration, joe biden, as we sometimes mentioned on this program, there were room is that the higher a rebel song to song is house in new jersey, in the old days,

you think he's going to definitely take the you side over the unilateral decision, apparently in the last few days by the british government to break the northern and protocol. well, you know, having worked in the white house during the obama era was it was pretty clear that obama biden and others were not very keen on breaks it. and you'll remember that president obama or the u. k. and tried to say, hey, don't do this, this is not a good idea. not sure whether that helped or hurt, but the boy i did, it was really you who is bricks. if that's what you're saying, there is no, i'm not going to own that one. but we can take that discussion offline the, you know, i think that at things are trending in a, in a reasonably good direction on the, on the northern iowa. you, you know, we saw a cabinet reshuffle not that long ago, which i think was in part about johnson's desire to find some way forward on,

on northern ireland biden wants that to happen. he does not want to see some kind of a bus stop that it affects the relationship between the republic in northern ireland . so stay tuned, we're not across the finish line yet, but i have a sense that the british government wants to put this behind it and met some kind of compromise deal with the e. u is forthcoming. well, of course, for us, johnson is in battle because of police investigation, but any fears you might have had about britain looking to the far east, perhaps that need to china. ukraine seems to show that the nato alliance. certainly the alliance between the meeting and members, britain in the united states, never being stronger over ukraine. well, you know, it's, i worried in the aftermath of brackets it, that britain would turn in were,

in part because i think breaks it was the result of a somewhat isolationist turn within the british electric. but that has not happened . in fact, in some ways, johnson has attempted to compensate for britain's departure from the e u by trying to punch above its weight elsewhere. all the focus deal the submarine deal with all trail. yeah. britain flexing its muscles in ukraine, sending a warship to the black sea, now standing shoulder to shoulder in trying to push back against hooton's threats to ukraine. so i would say that right now, the u. s. u k. relationship despite the differences over breakfast it is is in pretty good shape and that london is turning out to be the partner that washington had hoped for. is that going to continue? we'll have to see, but so far so good. i mean,

watching the progress of the by ministrations raising of the issue of ukraine. what have you, what have you made of it? obviously, the by demonstration came to russian invasion was imminent than drop the word imminent aud pieces of intelligence. actually some of it repeated from, from britain, the british intelligence, claiming that a person actually banned from russia was being prepared to take power in kiev. very odd bits of intelligence being reported by all the newspapers. how do you think that by demonstrations handling all of this? i think the bible folks have broadly gotten it right now. nobody knows, probably including himself, whether russia going to invade ukraine, but they've got enough force on the border, including ships in the black sea. that one has to take very seriously the prospect of a huge russian invasion that would perhaps include besieging ts, sacking the government and installed out of that. and i any intention of doing that?

well, what would be the point? well, you know, this is, this is where i, i have a hard time figuring out exactly what, what the point is in the sense that, you know, a potent is a troublemaker putin has invaded or tried to interfere in most of his, his neighboring countries from georgia. to ukraine, nego or no car bach, moldova, he went into syria, but these actions have generally been low cost, low risk, a low cost, low risk operation in ukraine doesn't really get him much. ok, so let's say he wants to annex done boss, or he wants to connect don boss to crimea. he still loses the rest of ukraine. so if his goal here is to try to pull the country back into rushes, fear influence, he really does have to invade the country. that's a huge tor to be near him after he's got the stomach for that so that he'd be

nearer weston nato nations. i mean, i have to say on, on those different things, syria, i'm sure the russian government would immediately say that there was british, in american backing for the rebels of the ground to go to carry back. fusion intervene to solve a, as a by john and armenia, and as, as regards don, bess and elegance can so and you know that even western powers of ad through accept the un security council resolution on the minsk agreements, 2202. they've accepted it to them, it's agreements is fine for russia, which isn't even mentioned in the agreement that you don't see that. and you're talking about isolation earlier. and i suppose the trump elements here, and certainly your cable channels, like fox news, saying this is about biden's presidency in taxes, worried about mid terms. and it goes, boris johnson here, being investigated by the police. well, you know, in terms of,

of what rush has been up to in its neighborhood. i think the facts speak for themselves and russians ought to look in the mirror and ask themselves, why is it that everyone who lives near us wants to join nato? and i think it's for 2 reasons. russia keeps interfering sending troops and it's neighbors, and they want some protection number to everything else being equal. i think people want to live in a democracy, not in a repressive autocracy. they don't want to worry that if they he got, they're going to get poisoned or thrown in jail. that's why i think so many countries have been interested in joining nato. where is, is driving right now. i think he is engaging in dog and diplomacy with the europeans. i mean, almost every day somebody is flying to either kiev or moscow. the channels of communication are open. there is a real serious effort to get diplomacy to avoid

a war, including by looking at the minsky agreements that you just mention. but there's also a realistic assessment that the diplomacy might fail. and that's why biden is taking 2 additional steps. one is putting more troops in eastern europe to tell the russians, hey, you don't like ne, that, well, it's going to get worse. you're going to have a lot more capability on the eastern flank than you did before. and number 2, putting up in the window very significant sanctions, including against the inner circle, which should get him to ask, is it really worth it? do i really want to suffer the economic punishment that will come with an invasion of ukraine. professor up general, stop you there. more from the former special assistant of u. s. president barack obama, after this break plus did then princess elizabeth know about the mon, my rebellion with 90000 may have been killed, maimed or tortured by british imperialist. as she was told 70 years ago,

that she was to become queen awesome or coming up and bought 2 of going underground a noun a bring you the very latest every out the day. this is all. no fun. everyone here with the monopoly. the semiconductor business would obviously be in taiwan with 80

percent of the market and going forward. the need for diversity in the market is been screaming out loud for decades. but because of the vagaries of the money that allow for a concentration of power and wealth in the cluster, craddick hands of the kac a stock or see the least qualified to rule, you have market breakdown supply chain breakdown and economic collapse with welcome back. i'm still here with professor charles, helped john senior fellow and director of european studies at the council of foreign relations inform, a special assistant to you as president barack obama. vladimir putin was elected democratically. and of course, as you know, the russians are very quick to talk about human rights and about guantanamo bay, still being opened. you mentioned sanctions. do you believe this sort of economic

warfare is good travel bands as it freezes? at mastercard, visa blacklist that, i think that was around your time. it was around 500 entities between 200-2021. the us treasury says 933 percent increase would impact us sanctions have on russia. well, you know, biden has, has explicitly stated that no us combat troops are going to ukraine, that the united states and this, they know partners are not going to go to war with russia over ukraine. so the question then is, what should be the response? if russia goes and invades it's neighbor, and the main response is sanctions, that's how you create a disincentive. both deter, to try to get proven to set, to decide, not to go in and to put pressure on russia. if it does go in these are, these are major sanctions, you know, after the 2014 events,

the annexation of crimea interference and don bos sanctions were imposed, but they really didn't go deep into the russian. i mean, i know you dropped. i mean, i don't know actions or would we apply that but there, but they are much more far reaching than 2014 people can watch or do. john bolton trumps the national security adviser about sanctions and cuba let alone all the other countries. i don't know how many countries the u. s. no. sanctions, the relevance here of course is to this foreign affairs magazine piece. you wrote that one us priority was to help manage china's rise of the global stage. the usa should formulate strategy to peel russia away from china. as we know that the sanctions this economic growth has just strengthened the relationship between most couldn't be jasmine. yes, it has and in some ways, one negative knock on effect of sanctions is pushing russia closer to china. that happened after 2014,

where we saw russia compensate for its economic isolation by trading more with russia, with china moving closer to china. if russia invades ukraine, van, i, assuming that the sanctions will push china and russia closer, closer together. that is something that seems to me to be unavoidable. and it, in my mind, does not outweigh the importance of reacting with a serious set of sanctions against a native. what's the point? what does it, what do they do? what's the point to the sanction they would create? number one, a deterrent putin has to ask, are russians going to be better off if we occupy ukraine and they'll be body bags coming home? you can be sure of that. and if major russian banks and companies are cut off from

the west, we hear that there will be a ban on certain kinds of technologies that will make it very hard for russians to buy cell phones and other other basic electronic items. so the idea here is to create disincentives for ukraine to, to suffer a rush. where is it? where is the, where is this or sleep if, where is this whole russia guys use force against it? where is this was it worked in iran, in venezuela or in syria? where is the sanction policy ever ever worked? it's, it's worked in in iran. right? i mean, we, that we got it, we got an agreement. it looks like we may get a re start of the j c p o way. why is iran going to the negotiating table in part because they want to get out from under sanctions. ok, well i mean, a lot of people in or on, arguably a saying why, why bother given of course, the reneging of the un security council resolution by the trump administration. in

any case, how do you think her, do you think that if, if russia is definitely not going to invade ukraine, the sanctions are going to be in place that russia and china and the global south. because we've seen chinese massive investment all across the global south means that the european union, an u. s. power is basically on the decline now. well, you know, i think that if we do get a d escalation, if we do avoid a major war and this would probably be the biggest war in europe since 1945, it's conceivable that you could see russia's relationship with the, with the united states, move in a better direction, maybe we can get the main sk agreement implemented. maybe the dispute over ukraine can turn into a broader discussion that would include conventional arms control that would

include nuclear arms control. so it's right now that doesn't seem to me very likely, but it's, it's conceivable. i also think, as i wrote in the piece that you mention, that russia is over the longer term uncomfortable in the relationship with china because it is the junior partner. and over time, i think russia will be looking for a western option because chinese power is going to make the russians uncomfortable . yes, you're right to say that china is a rising power. it will soon have the world's largest economy. but it's important to keep in mind, but if you add up the collective weight of the united states and it's democratic partners in dramatically out ways, china or a combination of russia and china, it's important to keep that in mind. and that's one of the reasons that biden has been working so hard to promote solidarity, not just with europeans,

but also with south korea, japan, taiwan, australia, and democracies in east asia. professor charles got john, thank you. my pleasure. ah, in recent days the u. k. monarch, queen elizabeth the 2nd celebrated, had platinum jubilee, milking 70 years. all the british throne, when she found out her father george the 6th had died. the queen was on a 4 day trip to kenya, the east african nation was declared an independent state in 1963 after the spark of the mo mo uprising. joining me now from the capital of kenyon, i will be a senior lecture from day star university, a member of gender africa. talk to wendy and julia. thank you so much. oh, wendy, ever coming back on? yeah. britain. oh, big celebrations for the platinum jubilee. she was told she was queen a tree top say that i'm the senator. shut down hotel now. i'm surprised. no big mention that what perhaps a 160000 were being held in

u. k. concentration camps at the same time. yeah. yeah. during their mom, mom, i insurrection against their colonial government. so it's kind of ironic or that it would elaborate mentioning at the circumstances in which she became queen, and in fact there, presidents office or was also celebrating that event. so it's kind of ironical. although of course, as we noted that the people that took over a drama kenyata, the son of course is now president distance himself big time from mom i just remind is because, i mean i 90000 maybe in killed named or tortured. yeah. yeah. i'm not sure about the numbers, but it was a huge number of millions in concentration camps. so it for about a. so it was not have pretty period at the time was quite brutal. and that's the canyon human rights commission of the fact. you don't know what symptomatic of

the education that's happened since post independence in your country. read writing a lot about what you call a colonial education in kenya, regardless of how we are educated here in britain about colonial and imperialist atrocities. yeah, we got an education system that's more about telling us the benefits of him and colonialism. and very little about the resistance of many, many candidates against colonialism right from the 1895 when they set foot p. and he said that that kenya would be long imperial british battery company . so there have been rebellions there have been armed struggles, the one that catches the imagination, of course, is them out because of the extent. but they're, all these rebellions are hardly talked about in this particular. and it's really strange that even at this level at the present,

you have to go over what colonialism is with my students. because they don't know, they don't know, many of the major feedback it don't even know why it was in the 1st place. and that's a combination of the education system that we have for what, why is that? i should say one of the princess elizabeth, then princess elizabeth porters. now sean marie, he was interviewed he, he joined the rebellion after being the porter for the green tree jobs. why, why is the educational system like that? because it was set up to proper colonial admin. so in fact, one of the ways in which the british government, one of the tactics and mt a rebellion was to, to increase the number of schools, especially in central province where the larger mo, mo, was based. so that point was to get people who are in, who would not be loyal to,

would not keep their loyalty to their mo, and that would support the beach government. so that legacy has continued because now the people who got education, why those who are not active resistance. and then when it came in, how did you get that? the next generation to think more in terms of maintaining the colonial system that had left behind other than as having a different education system that was inclusive. and that deflected our study, but as regards imperialism and it's a connection to racism. you've actually talked about class here and even where the queen was staying, the princess or queen was staying working class whites. boas, of course, church was concentration camps in south africa against the white boys. there was a class system around the new key area which, you know, in the western imagination is karen dickson. there's white, mischief,

happy valley. those are the, those are the stories of kenya, safaris. yeah. what the fact can i was asked to be colonized by the elite of the british colonials it so other people who went to the brand of africa. why he's not there are people or just civil servants who are working on behalf of the state. but the people who came to kenya and settled in, i knew g a y, at least that's, you know, dupes and all of those. so they came with that all day the, you know, the values of that he stopped resting. that's what they brought here. yeah, no problem for can, can i had highest number of it on high school bureaucrats? so it was not just a was also that you show them many of it alone. your office has had been to the public schools and to breach. so for us,

johnson went to that school. i'm sure he'd say that. yeah, good, good back. ok. i mean, i should ask, i mean, barbados obviously is left to commonwealth. i don't know what your views about. can you leaving the commonwealth or would it be possible for princess elizabeth, on the 5th of february $9052.00 not to know about the mass extermination of canyons going on at this time. she was staying there, even if she knew it was inconvenient for her to know. and that's another thing we have in it. we have remained from britain which is out of the special and secrecy and spin that what is more important is that you have them in fact and any stories that they inconvenient you just keep them under the right or you don't to mention them all. so even if she knew it was inconvenient for empire, so it was, it was easy and they find not to know, and that's, that's, i guess, the week to we have remain even in kenya. right now. a lot of the problems that we

have are swept under the rug and we talk we elephant in the room, but we never mentioned the end. what is that? the commonwealth imperialism, or the i, m, f. all, all of them, all of them. you know, for example, in education i education system was we got a new system from the now and from ins and wild bank, all those kinds of fellows. but we can't talk about it even in the documents. so when you hear civil servants, they, they behave like lord, rama who, who wrote their handbook for civil service. they just pretended it didn't have and they just keep away the documents and best, you know, brand assistant mazin efficient as efficient. and that's a british spin for you, this is a pretty good at it's, well the canadian government deny and refute all those allegations. of course,

we invite the canyon ambassador to london on the show, the i'm after a few things doctor want to enjoy. i thank you. thank you very much for the show will be back on wednesday, 17 years to the day, the un mobilized the kyoto protocol, the international treaty, which extended the you and framework. conventional climate change until then keep in touch with social media and let us know whether you think tenure is free from british imperialist. ah, a with ah

ah counted as prime minister in both the emergencies are to give is government extra powers to handle ongoing choker protests against kobe monday. the international olympic committee rules there won't be any award ceremony for russian figure skating star camilla valley ever. despite the 15 year old being clear, the 3rd compete at the beijing winter olympics, president putin approved a draft, respond to the u. s. in an on going back and forth of security for a crisis in ukraine. russia defense minister state law, a coming to an end but was not coming to an end though is the hysteria of the situation with the western media going all out on a photo of an elderly woman being trained to fight.