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a photo of an elderly woman been trying to fight and ukraine while failing to mention a deal now the dream is group is a part of the training. those are your headlines. it's 7 am moscow time. that's all for me. peter scott, laurie, sushi will be taking over with the food program in about an hour time. thank you for your company. with hello and welcome to cross stop. were all things are considered. i'm funeral about how much longer can we take the u. s. u. k. seriously. there war of words is dangerous and reckless. the rest of nato and even ukraine are much more restrained

if there is a conflict over ukraine. it will be a conflict, washington in london, endlessly promoted. ah. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess towards samuel leon budapest. he's a podcast or at the goggle, which me about a new to ban locals. and we also have to be 3, bob and she's a political analysts and editor in us me internet media project or gentleman cross up close to the fact that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated or let's start out with georgia in budapest. well, georgia, the last 2 days have had this kind of like, i think, fake shuttle diplomacy. everybody wants to come to moscow and they come to moscow and saying that there are, they are there while they're in moscow. and as they're leaving, they say war is eminent, invasion is imminent. ok. no evidence is been presented here. i mean, this is and it's primarily coming from the u. s. and the u. k. a and in between

helene, the, the center of all this, at least the western narrative is ukraine. and again, presidents zalinski has come out and asked even his western backers for evidence of their claims of an imminent invasion. i mean, this is beyond bizarre, it's kafka ask, what is the state of play, george? go ahead. that's a very good question. just imagine what it is that the americans and the british in particular are asserted. they are claiming that russia will attack without any kind of publications without issuing a list of demands without an ultimatum, without a list of grievances. just simply an attack out of the blue eye and you know, which country in the recent past has done just that. of course, nazi germany with barbarossa, which was quite unprecedented in that he was preceded by no demands, no ultimatums, no list of and says the ross is just going to do this out of the blue launch this

unprovoked attack and a j. some of them pointed out, it's going to be quite a savage, and i, you know, it's going to be preceded by aerial attack by missiles, then they're going to march on to it. and then, so that's the assertion. and now let's think of also about who is really behind is who's leading this propaganda campaign. why jake saw them, and now jake saw them was an absolutely key figure in roster gate, which is also very interesting because this meet with, you know, we've added found out more information about the russian gate folks and about how the clinton campaign and that means j solve it basically, funding the spying on, not only the trunk campaign, but the trump president actually going to be trump. so this is

a person the some of them who is a master of manufacturing process is creating an absolute who it presents no evidence way of his claims. they keep telling what ross is building up his forces building. busy up, it wasn't on the number, they say it's 200000 and i think so they said it is building up. it's all the same number i think was 2 months ago. so, you know, these are basically in the business of generating hysterical anti russian global propaganda campaign. and it can have very dangerous consequences, you know, if they're working because i'm sure you know they the parable, you know, the boy that called, well, i mean, how much longer can you play in the u. s. saying in invasion is it before people don't stop making them seriously. as i pointed out in my introduction, go ahead. i think that basically what we see is that election,

old guns used at the same time. for example, there is a stake and you know, when the real agenda is released by the way, java is process security concern and they know they don't buy big. i don't replace it with a face in minute from the fact that there is also the stakeholder by wagon. like why wouldn't you sit, although, but by our marriage, because everyone is needed. you know, once you joined the bandwagon, you know, the suite a leading those leading and no one tries to otherwise. why daddy and what happened is that any evidence? basically not a single russian official made a revenue noises. you know, no one said that your grade, there was no watering. there are no signs. all the so called aggression, well russia from, from, from, from the bringing. what is the boss?

no one on there for 70 years about the impression that you get from the breast is now that you be also, there is another propaganda which is fatal. either your brain doing nato or your brain is currently in the russians here or waiting for. is there something in between, you know it's, it looks like the property from the boys who drive a little guy with keep up why this was the way, basically a car. sherry, well that you may be enormous. you conky, we're relations with russia relations for the you. i was going on is basically absurd. dowman says, we don't see the russian at that car on saturday present. it said east the west has

any intelligence show in that that is possible. let them share it with us and they didn't share, but the next day the same if you say, oh george team a makes it such an important. busy points here, i mean, when i find bewildering in very frustrating is that you have been wallace and list trust and you know, for jobs and all traveling around they don't want to negotiate. they just want to grandstand ok, i mean, and liz trust me as being a, you know, foreign secretary, she, she showed a lot of ignorance of history and geography. and me maybe would be good for someone like that to listen once in a while. if you learn something because she didn't come with the negotiation agenda, she came with a hectoring agenda. george. yeah, excellent point. and. 2 it was very interesting that during jake sullivan's press on last friday because he was off this very question, well,

why should we believe your intelligence are we, you know, we had a bad experience with intelligence such as, they're run up to the iraq war. and it was very different because before iraq that we were presenting intelligence in order to start the war, we are trying to vote, we try to prevent and we try to stop a war. so imagine that with such cells lose good people. we're trying to stop a war. well, how are you stopping a war? by with this hysterical denunciations, likening, obviously, contemporary russia to hitler's germany, how you stopping a war by pouring in military hardware into ukraine. how are you stopping a war? by encouraging ukrainian? your a c in the format, something that we learned the, the sleep number bed to me, any concessions at all. so you're, you're

a centrally engendering all and then you're trying to boss in this phony. and also, you tried to sub or, you know, the list dropped and the rest of the russian was escalate. that's the only way we could have peace in the world today is a rush of deescalate, but bradley spine, for the british in the american descent forces into the neighborhood. currently, it's fine to send military hardware by the millions of dollars into ukraine. that's. that's fine. that's escalation, but russia conducting exercises with its own country batch that's escalation. i mean, if you're the ukranian, sit and you take pause. i mean, you have your western backers sending hundreds of millions of dollars a gated military hardware. while the same time, they're sending the western embassy, letting them depend. and so, i mean, isn't the ukraine's western back was actually putting a big target over ukraine?

so, i mean, yeah, there's all the stuff you need to buy. we're, we'll be behind the line here watching from a very safe distance. maybe on zoom here. i mean, it sends a very dangerous perilous message to their friends and ukraine. well, i think you're exactly right. so i think the best we've had so far this crisis was from out of the leader in the nation where he basically ro, or who jim is present that in the west of some kind of human. most, let me quote any, some articles, the one thing that we were imagination, all the worse it's name is pronounced by the us media. because the more you know, the bad also and the handler superintendent extra terrestrial. and basically it demon ends asian,

or would it is very much like the human eyes ational jewels before the world war 2 . actually if we just the police are the one who can buy the orange juice, you will get not to put down the all the stuff gets because food is presented at the same time. s some brought someone to see should someone right in the record country, someone all human. and at the same time, he's almost human. his intelligence when he's playing in something back, you know, i'm sick and tired of hearing hearing these for instance. what is strategy? what is, i guess, why? what can we expect from seo our, this is a leader is know that a nation in this great, you know, just charge. i mean, they deem it brings up a very good point here. i mean, they, it's never, it's never explicitly said on the western side, what the russians should exactly do it other than just surrender. is that what they

want? i mean, i, again, this, this, this fake shuttle diplomacy is for me, it's, is putting on a show that you know where we're giving them an offer. but the point is, is that it's about nato expansion in a whole of these visits all of these letters. i'll never address russia, security concerns. obviously. that's intentional. george. yes it is in the the complete faith. so, you know, the constantly wanting to come to moscow constantly. oh, i need to put a phone call. so my chrome during this week, i me visit the moscow on monday that i thing on tuesday, he had a phone conversation with dan yesterday and, and in our phone conversation. so again, you have a constant conversation, and all you knowing is just repeating the same points. you're not, you know, russia, i mean, yes, there's obviously those 2 important documents that russia presented to well on

december the 17th. but there's other issues that russia is raised, which is, for instance, ukraine is going through the motions is refusing to negotiate what it has is supposed to negotiate. implementing the means to court over and over again. the russian insist that you know areas in black and white, this is what you need to do in order to kill them in school course. and then it's up to france and germany to lean on ukraine to stop negotiating, say, i don't know it. and so just right, you know, and this is something you can say, you know what, what is the point of these discussions? if you don't do the minimum, ok, george, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our ah news

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the that there is somehow some intelligence that the russians are working on a false flag video with, you know, actors and fake blood and all of this type of thing here. but isn't that possibly a form of projection? because what i worry about is a provocation and a provocation dealing with what the real problem is, is the entry ukraine conflict with and the the dom bass known as collectively the don bass. that's what i worry about with all of this military hardware being born in the ukraine. well, that's what it's for, is to attack the don bass, obviously not to attack russia and everyone knows that. and then you have some kind of provocation. and you get the video and then the, the games begin. ok. and they will point to figure the rushes, the aggressor when in fact it is something that is being played out in an intra

ukraine. complex thoughts. i think there's a very good point because, you know, we know from the o s. c, observers that there has been an increase, a substantial increase in sci fi violations on the line of content, of this heavy weaponry is being pulled into ukraine bloss with all the historical rhetoric, supposedly, you know, encouraging the ukrainians. then it might well lead to, you know, some people within the security intelligence are within ukraine in collusion with us and you can just services to stage some. 1 incident because they know that any kind of a military offensive by kid against the dumbass. good. well, trigger a russian intervention and it's clear from everything that we hear from london and

washington. this is what basically they would love to see because they weren't well, they want to see russia, i, if they want to see russia push out of europe altogether, they want nato to be strengthened. once again, the british and the americans are in the forefront of leading the west against russia. they want whole economy trading, contacted in europe and russia to come to an end, a little stream too. so they, they want to see this conflict. they don't care about ukraine because of the future of ukraine. they want to see this dumpling, i think that's why it is a dangerous situation. and the rushes themselves assess several times. do you know something we don't i you know, it is something being planned that we don't know about. so, so i think that that you know, you, you what your concerns of her act demon let. let's go back to august 2008, and you had been a predatory georgian president, soccer feely. he gets

a little bit of a nod in the nudge from the u. s. in his adventure in trying to reoccupied south secchia. well, the bush administration got cold feet of the georgian forces were obliterated and self is that he has gone forever from you credit from georgia. now bring it up to speed to the present. it seems to me considering all of the rhetoric because we didn't have that with george when we didn't have this media frenzy with george in 2008. remember it was the eve of the olympic games. but now we've had mom. and since the end of october, high intensity propaganda. com claiming imminent invasion, i don't know anything that is imminent for months on em. but anyway. but this time, if you know, they nudged the ukrainian to say try it again. we have to remember the u. k. forces we're, we're completely utterly defeated when they try to take control of the dumbass. now,

this may be the 2nd attempt, the difference between georgia, 2008 and ukraine in 20. 22 is that nato will give them the green lights to continue, even though they will not send their own forces their own. they will not put any flesh in the game. they want the ukrainians to do it with your thoughts. well, you are exactly right. the nightmare scenario is what me remind you in spring 2008 need to reassure our feel is that your brain and your will at some point in the future? as far as the person that we know now, right? decision and don't get a day when no one cares. nice. read it as basically the green light to take out here and later on. and let me explain you why. he didn't expect russia because people don't remember that russia had not intervened in test

focuses since 1990. 2 times of the soviet union was moving in january like iraq was not there. so really misread need to misread russia. russia was but he did not do it. and the tragedy and the where the young older, remember she was the big, you know, he kept saying the roster groups are route to believe. see, the problem is that these people in the west, the may still need it or they try their main concern is to make it there you go. you know, there are, there is a proxy, the 78 you know, or the big games in trying to identify though there are nice and better focuses.

the problem is and if only want to just so nice, they're almost invited and you know, they said we will withdraw our instructors instruct the saline and you re just like them. they were, you know, when they will probably be just the whole way. and the problem is that the west, the media, not remember the banks. lambert's. i mean, i remember that was an 8. it was yesterday, there was to meet the credit by the me, you know, a european investigate in august 2008 and the commission committee concluded that it was georgia. you know, it was but i remember how to be saved on the night before the in bay. by the way, she, she said, don't,

don't stop the war. really is our jewelry at the moment. body to body. look what happened during the bottom night, you know, sorry, it was all in bond please. you know, it was the nominal, but that's why the immediate it basically if i don't get the problem was the daughter was 5 russians. georgia will be ill disposed to want to say to you, you know, a small nation, you know, they were not the best. the rush money is the same weight. yes, the follow them 14 and in 2015 when they a small area, you know, people will be in therapy. they were deterred by the local militia. but now the situation is very different. ukrainian, army grew, they want all those back us. so now it may be a real bad,

and that's why ration on needed there. was there return your brilliance, prepare the cost? well, now prepare for the russian on b. c. george, i mean, you know, i look at the, you know, these fantasy plans that they have here and i'm glad to. we have talked about august 2008 with how to set it. but when the 1st missile fires, the 1st bullet goes into the air, then the fog of war comes into play here. and we, the, the, the ukrainian military is acquitted, so very, very badly on, since the legal, coo and the overthrow of the democratically elected government in february 2014. the best of plans never work out. ok. and daemon has a very good point that these are the, the training military men under the command of zelinski may want to get the don bass back. but they don't want to go to war with russia. i think the sullivans and

the and the blank ins and victoria new ones, they haven't thought this out. they never have thought about. go ahead church. no, i didn't get sorted out of it. but from that perspective of what would work very nicely for the west would be this russian invasion. russia will be seen to be this monster in the eyes of the world with the finally, they would have the evidence that they, they convinced is true, which is, you know, put in is hitler. russia is nazi germany. and therefore, you know what, the, well, the terrible things are there options, but then 24, these looney military scenarios. i just got to march on to care. they going to besiege care, and then, you know, in reality, all that is likely to happen, they do, the worst comes to the worst, is that the russians will step in and secure the dumbass. and because

then that the consequence will be, eventually, you know, the dumbass will be re incorporated with russia. ukraine would lose the surgery, just a big loss of ukraine, but the nato phone book and sullivan. hey, that's great. great, george. you're absolutely right. and this is the twisted logic because a dumbass is already lost if you don't want to implement them in school course, but it's already lost. so what we'll do in a sense, ukraine is losing really nothing against membership. and it's a way for them to say, well, we tried, but the russians took it away from us. i mean, it's a really maniacal plan, but it might work. it might well, because i think there are clearly people within the ukraine, intelligence and security are very happy with this. ok, we lose the don't bus, but we gain entry into the nato club. so now there'll be no arguments against the

letting in ukraine because they look, you brain is the victim of aggression. i mean, it needs our protection. so then those and the conflict on the ukranian church, it will have been the result on exception. and you and i talked about this on the goggle crime me is the, is the why and the point. and i think that and that's why big story and do and probably curses those. busy days back in february they she didn't get the prize because the price wasn't down, the price was grind me and they miss me miss. and that's my whole point of my question. going to be the miscalculate all the time. and, and, and they, and they always blame others for their great ideas that go, go nowhere, go awry. i gentlemen, that's all the time we're all going to keep a very close eye on the story here. i want to thank my guest in budapest and here in moscow. i want to thank you for watching us here to see you next time. remember,

oh ah, ah, well, the panoramic no, certainly no borders on the slide to please and you face as a merge. we don't have with the we go to the vaccine, whole world leads to take action and to be ready, people are gonna come with, we can do better, we should be better. everyone is contributing each in their own way. but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever. the challenge is great. the response has been massive. so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we are in it together.

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