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russia invades ukraine, according to anonymous u. s. intelligence briefings amplified by major nation media coming up on the show . while nature nation media focuses on war with russia in europe, africa, facebook, coups and corona virus. however, other signs of hope that alleged us interference in the horn of africa may have failed to catalyze instability, especially in the g, a strategic babel, mandab, straits through which are reputed, 10 percent of all well trade flows. and what about the 1st few s u. k. french armed bombing of a civilian ministry in yemen. this week that nature, nation media is arguably ignored. we speak to oxfam international global programs director on what the u. n. cools the world's worst humanitarian crisis. dollars or more coming up in today's going underground. but fast as washington's obsession about a russian invasion of ukraine seen it take its eye off the ball from its interventions in africa, as joe biden deployed thousands of soldiers to europe 4 years ago to day if yoga declared a state of emergency. yet amidst dire predictions of war, in the e. u,
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ethiopian politicians have just voted and their state of emergency. so what's happened in the critically geo strategic horn of africa, known in i, m f, supporting countries for the live aid, charity concert, and famine? joining me now from lynchburg virginia is thomas mountain, the renowned and most widely distributed independent journalist in the whole of africa. thomas, thank so much for coming on going underground. finally, we, we finally got you all be in virginia, the suspicious state of virginia. so i might say the u. n. as i congratulated the era trained government in about 3 days on the 32nd anniversary of operation fen kill liberation of the sour. now, many people around the world watching this don't perhaps understand the crucial importance of the region you've lived in for so long. what? why is it relevant to the current to gray conflict with sure. yeah, joe biden, state department often says is a, is a, is a conflict rooted in,
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in barbarism, virtual barbarism by a few urinary tract. how is it relevant to that? well, no or no, that is one of the most strategically critical places in the world because the 2 largest trading partners in the world are europe and asia. and most of their trade passes through the red sea, which is at $22.00 in egypt where the suez canal, which is controlled by basically by the c i o pays the salaries of egypt and military to the, to the $1500000000.00 a year with his company would dispute that there? well, the other strategically critical point is the bob on monday at the entrance between the red sea and the indian ocean. and this is what's up for grabs because who controls the bottom. and that basically controls the 2 largest trading partners in the world. europe in the now the united states is no longer dominant economically, but they remain dominant militarily. and so, you know, historically,
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ethiopia has been, the police been on the beat for the u. s. a. control balm, and now ethiopia has made a dramatic turn since this coup d'etat to see i supported by the gray people's liberation front to fail, after sure. and they tried to regain power, any fuel at the end of 2020. so this coup d'etat was basically a united states trying to reassert their military control over a strategically critical part of the world, the horn of africa. so for, you know, whether you are, i understand it in your list is understand it to see, i believe, is aware of just how critical horn of africa is. and that's why, if you didn't end up and firing line of the united states now, since they have moved decisively out of the u. s. sheer influence and become close to retrieve, which is what's very alarming. i mean, i'm the argument announced that it was going to nationalize all the land and this
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isn't the 1st time it's been announced that he's fairly, very serious about similar to what to reach it. nationalized o m. whoa, that's the 1st step towards socialism. so the americans are very upset about all this and they wanna our, our compliant regime and power in our be, act met is no longer there now. well, as i said, the egyptians would say no, they're in charge of the suez canal. i mean they, they, for, for, for that one with the, with the british and as for a u. s. support for the t b, l f. sure, the usa to bomb and say people in to grey continued use of human rights violations, abusing atrocities and urgently needed humanitarian relief is being blocked by the therapy nurture and military's. but i mean, if you're asked to congressman a congresswoman in washington d. c. and where there's no money or weapons where the, what proof do you have that their money and weapons going to this organization? the t p i left, which we had up until recently was on the outskirts of the capital view,
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bratislava ready to overthrow its government for a freedom. well, i like to say to people that don't believe anything you read or hear in the mainstream media on the corner. it's all complete tribe or cations. stories that have been planted on the pressing lose by the cia, you know, the national security establishment in the united states. so all of these propaganda, they put out there, i mean, the united states didn't have to give a t p off any weapons because they were stop to the gills with weapons. they've got all these caches of weapons all over the country. they had over $100.00 heavy, medium range cruise missiles that were aimed at a retail which were one of the 1st things that got knocked out in this fighting, started back and end of november in 2020. so they don't have to give them weapons. you'll have to stolen billions and billions of dollars which they stashed outside. almost assuredly in the city of london backs because we haven't been able to find
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any of it in switzerland. so they don't need any money. they don't need any but to, well, you know, i mean will obviously us the cia, they once responded to us about allegations made on this program. i doubt they'll respond to your allegations. i mean, are you saying that's a i m f world bank money distant for the one of africa is disappeared to the city of london. oh, not only i. m f, world bank, billions and billions. u. s. a. i d, them will, to program all these european aid. it's been just massively siphoned off. i mean, obviously has been trying to get some reckoning from the city of london banks for since he came back to boston, he came to power in 2018 and they were stonewalling him. so as you would deny that, i mean obviously the nobel prize winning leader ave ethiopia. and the i met with bank usa aid, and she mentioned usa them and they denial this guy who runs usaid now and do you
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see the grave of dangers ahead because of the bite and administration is about the one of africa? well, if you se id was the one point headed by gal smith, who was a person that she i agent who recruited noah sonali to the c. i a way back in 1980 he was the head of there. he was a for congress school for the chief left in the field on a fight in the war. and 3 years later he was headed a t p ela, how powerful of the forces against the kind of arguments you will make. and i have to, i suppose you should remind us, your knowledge does not come from being in virginia. you're there for personal reasons. it may be one way of, of our audience understanding your allegations is the fact that you were in eritrea . when babs, international headlines of eritrea were coming out and what you saw on the ground was very different to what you saw in the media. when my background, the horn of africa goes back about 40 years. and i'm, i'm in the united states. i've actually taught african history of the graduate
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level. so, you know, i lived in a researcher from 2006 to 2021. you know, that m a c, the national on its website saying you are basically an apologist for eritrea. i'm presumably the o b another they've made peace. i don't know whether you think the nato countries are happy about them being a base. what about you being an apologist for the or a train regime is a goal it well that was originally the amnesty articles, originally an anonymous article and they would not respond to anything i saying, i guess it's kind of a mark of honor to be signed by amnesty because they've got so much to hide about their own corrupt practices and horn of africa and allies. they put off for many years, especially about to reach you. some of their, they had a bunch of their cadre got busted in osmotic china infiltrate the country. and stir up regime change way back many years ago. so obviously he's got a very sorted record in general, but especially when it comes to the horn of africa, especially when it comes to recheck. and now when it comes to the, the opium,
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they didn't expose their true colors. and i think of me being attacked by them a sort of a mark of honor really because a deny that they come on this show. i mean, you've got to hear it's a human rights watch. every trans government is extraordinarily repressed and subjecting its population to widespread, forced labor and conscription imposing restrictions of freedom of expression, opinion, and faith. they have no legislature in their interest. there are no independent civil society organizations. there are no media outlets in eritrea. what is this focus on eritrea and why is it being cool, the de facto and its pejorative, north career of africa? what is there a tread doing that is so. i mean, it's irritating those in power in nature countries, but also clearly i'm annoying and angering human rights groups west and human rights groups. well, you know, i wrote an article titled to recheck or cuba of africa. mean, cuba is the only country in latin america came to power by their external research
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. the only country in africa they came to part of the armstrong. so, you know, just like you must been targeted by the human rights watch and all these people and the cia interest base, the same sort of hostility. because for one thing richard doesn't know the i m f in the world bank. any money they refuse to take these predatory loans that the only africa that hasn't taken these predatory loan from the world bank. and i'm so that right off to you off the fact that, hey, rita is unusual in africa. they're going to stand on their own 2 feet and they're not going to sell or sold the short term money offered them by these i called the western banks. there's these predatory financial institutions. and you know, when you go to a risha, they say it's a police they, you can only find a policeman on the street out there. i mean, the people are happy there. i mean, life is hard. i'm not saying everything's fine because they have the underground sanctions for 9 years. it is an official sanction,
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still punishing the country now. you know, they're trying to make it reach, you kneel down and to reach as motto is never nailed down. and now i'll be off in ethiopia, and people are starting 6 will never deal down. and this is what's got all these organizations up in arms because, whoa, you got an independent voice in africa. a lot of people reaches a small country, easy to ignore, but ethiopia is one of the 3 largest countries in africa. and ethiopia follows the reaching footsteps of independence, nationalizing the land getting away from these predatory loan, starting to work more with china. this is going to be a role model for the rest of africa. now the reality is for especially for the europeans, because united states doesn't have that much economic influence in africa. but the, you, the standard of living in the you is the, of the people is dependent on the super exploitation of africa. you could not maintain is people's high standard living education and,
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and how can all these other things if they couldn't continue to rip off africa because europe can no longer super exploit south south america or asia, africa is the only place left where they can plunder to their hearts content and ethiopia standing up and setting a role model for the rest of africa is a major threat to the u dominance of their own population. so of course the gonna have to he, obviously because he's moving towards the reacher and that means that they're going to be independent and eventually a socialist country like to reach years. well, i should admit to having been to our dryer, i can see those similarities in terms of fighting blockades and sanctions as regards eritrea and of, and of course, a cuba thomas might not stop you there more from the most widely distributed independent journalist in the whole of africa after this break plus is ukraine, the welds west humanitarian crisis because the u. n says it is yemen web, british u. s. army warplanes bomb this week, we investigate all of them all coming up about to have going on the ground
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for months. the u. s in the u. k. have warned, and russia may invade ukraine, and yet there has been no invasion for their part. the russians submitted abundantly clear. europe's current security arrangement is untenable to bangalore saxon powers of war. russia talks about security. join me every thursday on the alex simon, sure. i'll be speaking to guess of the world politics. sport. business. i'm show business. i'll see you then. mm. ah.
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ah, bring you the very latest every out the day. this is, i know everyone here with welcome back. i'm still here with the renown to most widely distributed independent journalists in the whole of africa. thomas, well, i've got to ask, since oxfam is reporting drought conditions affecting food security right across africa. and then the club will south, how is there a tray? i managed to retain food security amidst, amidst the drought, amidst the climate change conditions. well, reach you. the president reaches very far sighted guy quickly and he back in 2003, 2004 richer had to 1st to year drop in history back to back. and then in 2008, 2009 there hammered again with the 2 year drops. so the president took most of
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reachers resources and put them into water and soil conservation and has constructed 9 massive dams and over 700 smaller dams. to store water, so they can begin irrigating and not dependent upon rainfall for their very survival . so reach has been able to overcome this rainfall dependence and now is basically food stamps efficient, which is what their interest pushing you. ok, and the rest of the african to start doing as well, way. but say you're saying all the agencies, all the n g o is all the people across the global south who administer regions where there is great food insecurity. let alone places like yemen, the world's worst humanitarian crisis, which because it's being bombed by u. s. u k. arms. no one understands that there is a relatively, i'm not saying it's easy. i think you said the hard work of the trained people are responsible for someone say it's coercion. there is an answer to this. that is not some kind of magic. and it's africa is good for
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a reason. not because it's africa. that's right. you know, they don't want you to be independent self sufficient. they want to african, to be biggers. they want to be able to control the african leadership so that they can continue to exploit super, exploit the resources of the country. i mean, you know, what is the oil companies paying 88 percent royalty on their well, i mean, nigeria supposed to be a rich, rich country, but the poor people are, are hungry. why? because they're being ripped off for their oil. i mean, this is what the threat of a good example of originally has now sprayed to easy ok. and the, the, and all their lackeys, whether they're in their human rights organizations or media or their people in the u. n. are all very concerned about africa standing up and say, we're not going to be dominated by the you anymore. that up with new colonialism. mean that's become a big thing. a job, you know, new colonialism. why? because i'm asking the world bank or the way they control their economies and by
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controlling their economies, they control their governments and they're trying to these african countries in the barriers and originally saying, no, we cannot be there is we have to be self sufficient. we have to have food security 1st and foremost, that's a question of national security because with our phone security, you're going to be a bigger and then your people are going to starve when they decide they don't want the powers that be in the west. besides that, you are not 21. well, i've been, well bank say they've chained change to we invite the t v i left on on the program . and obviously those human rights organizations are continue to condemn what they see is human rights abuses. by leave, he opened in error trans governments against the people to take away from his mom. thank you. now while later in asian media has been focused on a war in europe, ongoing was in the horn of africa in the middle east are arguably being ignored this week. the saudi led coalition in yemen, and by the u. s. u. k and france bombed
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a civilian ministry for the very 1st time when millions face starvation in displacement. this is the financial winners and losers from the grown of ours when demick and becoming clearer will join me now from leudemann. england is ox firm, intellectuals, global programs director, lydia goma. thank you so much. lydia, for coming on the i thought the worst humanitarian crisis is the ukraine. if you watch the news, and apparently it isn't as global programs director. and as the rich nations arguably recover from the pandemic. why do you think, lee, you and claims yemen is the worst humanitarian crisis, not ukraine, which is dominating the media. because the, the humanitarian crisis are in fact the conflict in yemen has been going on since 2015. so we're talking about a 7 year conflict, which hasn't had an immense impact on the people of him and has to some extent been forgotten with the many crisis that have come up in the last few years. yet this is
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one where we see millions of people affected. 9 of the population of here men has been in a constant state of war for a very long time, ab, sorry, lydia were having to sound issues were gone. one of the sad stories i was looking at was of a little boy called alma, in one of the displacement and camps. and he was in his, the under 10 years old. so most of his life has now been splint spent in displacement capital. and his wish, his biggest wish was to return back to his village and play football in the park. and his father selim, i was talking about the fact that the situation is now so bad that he has to choose whether he buys his children, o winter clothes as winter approaches over the needs of his wife's sick wife for medicine. and is making the choice to pay for the medicine for his wife, rather than to buy a walmart clothes for his,
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for his children. i already read an order for that kind of story is repeated. i have to say in the united states, which is supplying the weapons for this conflict, arguably. and we have food bags here in britain and what is the impact of british and american arms sales? i mean, what, ok firm is saying that there were bloss 143 strikes of hid civilian targets, just in the marine area in yemen. can you understand why joe biden, after initial attempts, he said that he might pause on the arms export. why the united states is exporting weaponry, and while there was one report of a civil servant claiming the boards, johnson joked about weapons exports to yemen. for you, ma'am, and i can't comment on the quote you just mentioned from barbara johnson, but i can say that from what we see. and since the escalation particularly of conflict. and since last year, january, particularly married, the air strikes have been doing quite a significant amount of damage,
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but it is important that in this conflict to we understand that all parties have contributed. so it strikes is definitely one of the issues, but they've also been missiles this ground fighting their land mines, which are also killing people. and, you know, the problem with this type of fighting is, and that this type of weaponry is indiscriminate in terms of its targeting. so we're seeing increased amount of civilian casualties and also damage to public infrastructure that should actually be for the benefit of the development of human these people. and so in terms of the arms race, yes, it is important that you know, we look at the way in which arms sales to saudi arabia, from our own governments here that you can and like the u. s. a fuel such conflicts and we look to and these governments looking at their policies and they are now sort of strategies that they've got in place to understand that part of the reason the conflict is continuing is because of the way in which we're doing this type of
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her arm straight, and therefore there needs to be some accountability by all parties to the situation and, and conflict in yemen. and the fact that it is the result international humanitarian law and human rights laws are not being respected. and that being violated by all sides, the people of the m, and really require a lasting solution, a peaceful solution. well, obviously bring in the united states a, they're definitely not fueling the conflict whatsoever. and you said all sides everyone. so piece, obviously you said all sizes that include journalist feeling the conflict. there wasn't much coverage of the air strike this week on the ministry of telecommunications by war planes, presumably armed by britain in the united states. why do you think journalists to know more interested in the story rocks firm goes on and all about? i guess you are, you would have to pose that question. we are, we cover that we cover it. we've covered the story for years as part of the media,
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but i think the reality of the media is often generated also affected by, you know, whatever the interests of the media houses that they work for and put on the table for them to, to consider. but i think it's also because we've become a society which has to some extent been immunized from understanding and appreciating the depth of the human suffering around us. and may be, we've been a little bit more concerned about issues like cove it and which we should be concerned about. and the public health and prices that cove it presented for for many of our countries. and have lost sight of the fact that in many parts of the world such as the men, there is an actual relationship between conflicting climate crisis and cove. it okay, hold on a 2nd. i want to get to this the 2nd just just on him. and lastly,
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the wise oxfam alone would save the children in loads of other engineers attacking the by noon, a situation over the designation of losing community in yemen. why? why you attacking the white us? well, we were trying to point out that that bite. and when he came into power, prison biden did actually do something very useful, which was to reverse and revoke the previous designation by the previous regime of answer allah. and it's important that you know, he, as in the attempts to try to find a way of resolving the conflicts, they don't to put in place measures that are actually going accelerate, and exacerbated the suffering of them, of the, of the many people. so it's understanding that the impact of such a designation is actually worse on the citizens of the country, already ravaged by this conflict, but also by the humanitarian crisis, that this conflict has actually, and they created exacerbated, also by climate change. and the fact that also with all of this, you know,
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the banking system, the financial systems, them, you know, have been impacted. and you know, a lot of the eamon is people rely on and i think it's about 90 percent imports. yemen relies on imports and imports of fuel of food and medical supplies. so all of these things are affected when we do these abridgment. i should say, britain with united states to begin the donors. i know the term also has been talking about intellectual property rights on cobra. vaccines are building bio intake, but the rich and climate change are there. and obviously a bio was trying to sell gas to do you great. i don't know where that fits in with climate change. what is going on in the world and africa right now, which is another story, completely ignored, and it's being impacted by climate change. yeah, i mean the horn of africa is exactly the perfect storm of 10 extent conflicts as well in, of course, in not in if european that is
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a particular concern. and still an issue in parts of somalia. but also climate change is having a devastating impact on this region. and together with also the fallout from cove it. so yes, this is a situation where i, we want to make sure that the world doesn't lose sight of the fact that they are parts of the world which are truly and experiencing more of the very things that we're talking about when it came to cop 26, etc. and that we do need to change sure that honda does not continue to, to, you know, result in the deaths of so many people in the, in these communities. what we're seeing is, you know, of course, continue loss of livelihood as they lose their main assets, which is their life stock in ability to a, to do with their farming activities in terms of cropping. so they can't sustain and feed themselves and, and we need to find a way to enable these communities to become more resilient,
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but also to provide them with the means by which they not only have food for today, but can actually feed themselves for the future. and this is where the focus has to be on the drought and drought assistance, but it generally on the humanitarian response plans across the whole, the horn of africa, countries, apologies to v, as in sam call the religious ago. thank you so much. thank you. and that's over the show, but before we go, i should say, no militia, we mistakenly said the barbados was leaving the commonwealth. we should of course, have said that the caribbean nation is removing queen elizabeth. the 2nd is its head of state. therefore, becoming a republic or we have still in the commonwealth will be back on saturday when german chancellor shawl to set to speak of the annual munich security conference known as davos for defense, where russia will not have a representative. and when he would just wireless social media, and that is the using nato nations should be doing more to help the world's worst humanitarian crises or less with
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these people learn from their own experience, how vulnerable of business is to the bank. so you push my business over the age, pushes me right to the edge, bankruptcy. now i realize we will go, this isn't just the back that may be involved in this is the concept. see, funds is, is the lawyers. these people have got you want all this stories at a walk kind of whistle blower. tell people's marriages have broken up, lost their family homes. it is spectacularly devastating for people's lives. they have committed suicide, but left behind norwich. they explicitly state that it was the constant intimidation and billing by buying coffee sauce that led them to i took the spear obscene these people up,
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nor sold for months, the u. s. in the u. k. of warren, that russia may invade ukraine, and yet there has been no invasion for their part. the russian submitted abundantly clear. europe's current security arrangement is untenable. bangalore saxon powers talk of war. russia talks about security. a
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war that never was where the media is left, where they're going to spice. offer a flurry of predictions that they'd be an invasion of ukraine today. said rushing creek. so we're going to base off the wrapping up rules at the border. well, some a call seem to stop by me the drums of war, the u. s. president, for one who's in 6th thing. the attack remains very real. the prime minister is in denial and is ignoring the science. he might as well be back at the cottage because he's doing non productive or constructive to help this situation. the canadian brother is mounting pressure from empties over decision to emergency power meant the terms of national prices. but instead of response to the project truck drive with.

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