a storm, it continues to sit as a zombie assembly painting the upcoming elections in me. paul, given his ain't as a democratic unionist 1st minister earlier this month in protest over the post breaks at administer took board in the irish c. however, amid mountain crisis in downing street, the academy and in europe, the 1st ministers, dramatic gesture passed by all but unnoticed. and yet the potential consequences of a brick don't in the northern ireland protocol, not just for northern ireland, but for bricks it breton, i, extraordinary. on the worst case scenario, it could lead to the disintegration of institutions established by the peace the course of 20 years ago. and see, britain plunged into an ordeal brick set on to day with me to democratic genius and pete general shannon to find out why the lie. just part in northern ireland has mutual walking to put to call a red line. and then to form an s t l p leader allison into arnold when the

prospects of restored political stability in the province. but 1st to your tits emails and messages in response to our show on the prospects overcome. come back, joe hannon says, i went, i, with bill clinton's campaign, legal advisor. she didn't have a good word to see about american politicians under file picture arkell society. crypted written says, trump, for me, he really got deep control of affairs. i'm boarded actions when needed. robert peachey says the democrat should have had bernie sanders instead. i hope he campaigns. this came around to keith. alexander dickson says, joe biden has within a year, qualified himself as a worse person in history. that is some achievement. and finally, grant smith with a message for us o says biden, will lose for the same reason. labor will lose. they forgotten where they come from . now, jim shannon, the d. p. member of palmer 1st. stanford is one of the most active en piece in the

house of commons. his party leader jesse donaldson, m p, is likely to stand for the assembly. but well, let's proven what get her do likewise. he is in conversation with alex shannon and people, stamford. welcome back to the alley, simon. show a very pleased to be by going and with master. we charge for the way, but we'll catch up again just now. i will be back. can explain to you with poll, given the nice 1st minister, resigns, and protest? no nice protocol, but the assembly, the parliament installment keeps on what came and heard this how or what could that catch on at westminster assembly with no government. and i think we also look at a cruise as to where we are alex and i think we are where we are because all governments reluctance or difficulties are they to do something and ration to the northern protocol. so we felt we do feel us and discussion about how but their

business and my constituency. some of those parents told us that the northern protocol is not working. unionist contacts my constituents every day, contact me about this as well. so we felt we were at a point where we had to do something, so we did what we did. what does it do? try to put pressure on the government westminister to take an initiative, for instance, to initiate article 16. to ensure that the discussions between the u. k. government, on the e, are much more constructive and positive, which we do not feel that they are at those mean at the north assembly. an executive cannot meet because the 1st minister zane assault of the minister is any ne, deputy minister automatically resigns as well. but it doesn't mean that they, but of surgeon there and, and the assembly and all the can continue with the legislative work done on the papers. i ain't so i want to catch on it at westminster. i'm thank very much on it

. and it's not the right way to govern, but it is a methodology that we have in place to try and address a by help leon. okay, construct an ordinary political issue. well, you might suggest it to the prime minister jim shot and i had no, i don't know, you might very well do that. but i was interested in when i asked you about protocol, and you go immediately to practicality because you, i strong reputation as a pragmatic politician, you talk about the economy and what your businesses are saying to you. but we've had evidence official statistics from the when, as showing that the norm managed a company from a from cove. it has been quicker than any other part of the united kingdom. it must be many, many years since north island could be said to be out performing every other part of the u. k. so how to start squared off if you have businesses of telling you the

protocols a disaster. but the statistics are saying, look, with nice economy relative to the less the company is doing well, how does that come together? i think we have seen a bit of a spring and your response to the comb with making a break. but there are and you're right only sending, i'm not practical or some i game with my can seconds regularly and show up. i'm making a percent of maintenance. this is tell me that the protocol not not protocol is preventing them from treating to the way that they would apply badges. and i can say that on able to trade with, with the, in, in a king in the cause of the bureaucracy, the cause of each additional cost. so so i would suggest that maybe i recovery in north america would have been more spectacular and even more positive if we didn't have the non political red pepper bread pip garage, said on tarzan, please. couldn't you persuade, using your influence and pressure and the european union to get rid of some of

these are probably necessarily a elements of bureaucracy. if you are pending the whole protocol itself, isn't it possible to, to limit don't to make it more practical for your business? i wish it wasn't like i wish it was as simple as opting and i mean not for anybody on the same respectably as well. because it made me f, there's issues and company chains and sort of let's do what we find unfortunately, right through this whole process that the unfortunately what their support of the republic of our government as well seem reluctant. they find a methodology of on the coming, solving the problems, but instead they, they seem to wish to chastise in a kingdom for perpetual part even the you. so where are they, where the, the, the one in the middle and where the one of the key and all the time. so whenever there is practical solutions in place, the you refusal, i mean less trust law for us before the birth shelton, the prime minister,

each and every one of them of tried to find solutions. i swear by solutions of a solution besides my life is always a great solutions. it's not to be the difficulty. so, but the half dos full around the whole cost. but we have not find the willingness within the a you to at this moment a difficulty the snow, german with crisis in europe, the cost of living crisis, the phase one, your constituents, the downing state crisis, which you've spoken about so eloquently in the, in the house of commons, the northern irish crisis, the crisis of politics, the resignation of the 1st minister is not getting enough bandwidth because of so many other things. creating the agenda. it's not really the best timing to focus attention on the problems we did give government on b, e from september, october of last. it will give them almost years to try and sort this model. right, right. we give the government a north cross and crosses the hardware,

those we give them a time scale as well. so we've been very patient. so when we come to a stage where they, they, the lines massage, where they, where the lane and the road is sort of speak. and we re, one government. we want to make sure that a nasa was action on movement between the a, you and the u. k, then as far as me were concerned, the normal protocols would lead to potentially to difficulties not tobar rock. we didn't set the time skills, we didn't set the, we been careful and i did it. and we tried to ask the government to come along and support us. they haven't done not yet. we're hoping they will grasp on that lesson on discussions with them. and they will lead to constructive discussions and trying to find a solution. the question of the protocol, in your opinion, be the dominating issue of the elections all. are you hoping to see a settlement before these elections?

i'm the optimist. i'd love to see a shipment before the elections, one of the comma dominant part of the election. so i think certainly is and mean the pools today, alex, which has just been released here and the paper this morning, show a raise for support for the be you'd pay on a decrease for the support option for, you know, less than 4 percent between the 2 parties, i wouldn't take very much more an election company and they give us a party where they shouldn't be in and hopefully overtake them in the pool. so i figure and i agree with the party later, jeffrey told, and that's focus on the north. political replicates illustrates clarity, the opinion of the union of population. let me come to where i begun. listen to view it as a politician. you know, for your close to say to associate markers on trade unions and if the grown but businesses and, and all nyland but you're also

a democratic union. the opposition to the protocol, a matter of political principle, more economic necessity. i'm interested in this point because your politics of always been shaped by what's best for your constituents. well, i think it's best for my constituents up. we don't have an ordinary protocol results. we've been tell me. doesn't help us. we can normally, if there is no ordinary political, it certainly doesn't have to be murdered. examples of not that we're seconds of contact me in relation to these issues. so why i think the 2 are trained, alex i really, i don't think we can before some, it's not a, it's a point of principle and not we feel it is not known. protocol gifts. they are status within the attic number and makes us less, less a part of us. not constitutionally waste. a wasn't going to be that person. he was gonna say it off. unfortunate. he's no longer there,

but we want to be we often pass not to trust those trust and my discussions in prison, i hard with her about a month ago when i am sure. but the european court of justice and he also with the nor sites movements and east west movements. again this process all the way things, but we want to transfer these words and the action. so that's where we are. and we're getting every county for street problem to support us. but, and one of the jim shannon, after all, youth experienced in terms of commitment some undertaking, some boldest johnson on the west from us to lead us. do you really trust her? what you are being told and walks. i would like to believe alix. every word that people politician tore up and tell me what all we usually that can happen. we often see not action yet. we often see not the lever. yeah. we don't want the words alex, we won't be actually never government leverage. the action which may happen. don't

tell light, man. then we can also say that, well, the worship get missed our trade. we, we stand tail with or not, not there yet. action is always better than words, it's good to hear the words, but actions much better. tim sharon, thank you so much for joining me once again on the alex allen. show my pleasure only. thank you and god bless and keep kate. well, do jim join us after the break when alex except for my social democratic and labor party leader allison that go to find out where the nationalist community spends with unionism in crisis over is british economic lakes with the bay. ah, ah. with

bring you the very latest every out the day. this is all no phone everyone here with your eyes, bigger for ed, smaller faces. all of these traits are very common and they were indicative specifically within the filing genetic tree of life. and if we look at all of these traits in the context of continued human evolution over the last 6 to 89 years since we became operate walk you nominate. and you can kind of connect the dots and see how they may just simply be us from a future time coming back in the state of their own best. welcome back. at the end of last year, the financial team supported or n s data, suggesting the northern ireland academy had a student the unusual position of performing the rest of the u. k. this suggests

that the v, him an opposition to the protocol from the d p, maybe based on political principle rather than economic reality. alex picked the question to former s t o. p leader, alistair macdonnell, i was the mcdonald, welcome back to the alex simon show. thank you for having me. delighted to be with you today. i still, you have been for a range of political crises on island for the years. i would you assess this one is just basically about the election was coming up as a boat, democratic union as politics. what do they have a genuine grievance about what seems to be the some regulations of the protocol? well, i think it's a bit of everything. yes. it's about elections coming up and people are bracing themselves on the b, u. p. we're on a very weak position because they had devoured each other and they're still very split internally. the dilemma for all of us as the basically the arrangement,

the protocol arrangement that has been made between the, the u. k. a gives northern ireland the best of both worlds on us. hello, the northern i or the economy to get the best of both worlds. and our trade, for instance, what they re sure public has doubled our trouble. it is said since the opened up but equally i still have a really good access to the u. k. markets. so we have both with accessible t, u and u. k markets. and it's doing pretty well in our economy is doing very well. so you're basically agree with paul monahan, for example, the chief executive of the chamber of commerce. not allowed who, who says exactly that we're doing well. we've got preferential access to the cable that total access to the e u. that's why the nor nice economy is a, a land of opportunity. and yet, individual businesses quoted by jim shannon,

for example, say look at, you know, we're finding, you know, we've got to felon 20 forums to, to, to export era or stuff to our own country. he can see the point of view. there is no, no doubt that there are issues there and on basically that can order to maintain the bipartisan, if you like, or the double benefits. there will be some losers. but though those losers are those people that have extra burdens of paperwork and all the rest are in a very small minority. and emily, i talked to tells me that there are benefits and great benefits on rid opportunities and the difficulties can be and will be ironed out of those with the difficulties. basically are prepared to work out them and discuss them. so, you know, at where there's a well, there's away. the problem is this, that there has been a major effort by the democratic unionist party to turn the various difficulties

that can be solved and to issues that can't be solved on the political issues and make them a cost slap. and paul given design a week or so ago the there was hardly a huge, i mean when i was i in this fuss minister scone. it was a major story when collin jones resigned as far as the wales. it was a significant story. when to lease a me resigned this prime minister. that was a huge story. but paul, given us a fuss minister resigned and i with the non island the wasn't really that much of a, a splash of publicity about is that because of so many other issues going on or is a collective shrunk of the shoulders and saying, well, i'll be all right after the elections will addition collect of sugar the shoulders because the various levels of incompetence and aims dormant at the moment. how glad the public to become disillusioned and

disconnected the public have no great aspirations or no great hopes for storms on the reason for that is that you know, the b u p. wonderful. a don't and shouldn't be in are there. they have their own agenda going off in the opposite direction on the various interest that are they are the consensus people in the metal are relatively important and it's, it's sad purchasing nothing to be quite frank. that's not being anybody, us not creating any change. that's not meeting people's hopes. so people have given up hope. and you know, whether paul, given us foreign minister or as foreign minister. really. not only does it not affect people and the wider world, it doesn't affect people in northern ireland, all that much. it was a dump squib and that people saw it for what it was political maneuvering have been a long time advocate and worked for

a rock crush long between the constitutional nationalism and modeling unionism in an island. are there any hopes from that center grown breakthrough in the coming elections, or will do you pay attention fame? get the, the drumbeats of the election campaigns dominating all while they will get the drum beats. i have no doubt. but a lot of people, a lot my friends that might be of a different political lying globe. don don, other words unionists are great hopes at the moment for the bt and they also union a party making a recovery. you know, i see the dog is gone, it was way to move the also unionist party into 21st century agenda. okay. is some difficult to shop on dine, but he is spectacularly recruited a significant number of people who were a few like from the same gene pool,

but were not a farmer members of the ostrich unionist party and the, there's a certain amount of immense them are under the unionist party whether that or just as a result of common election. i'm not sure, but i would expect that it would be in your possession as a cost you shall. nationalist is your attitude this now and you and your colleagues look at things of moving away. there's no bod, denial, and the file. and the, the moving frame between the, the sofa and the north. that is one of the ingredients of this rather rosy economic position relative to everyone else at the present moment a. so basically what we've got to do is know obstinately apple cup sit tight and wait for history and economics to take the course. is that your position or do you think there's something else that needs to be done? well, there's an element up there, but that's a passive position. and if we're going to make progress on the 21st century on this

island, we have to do a proactive play. there has to be proactive engagement on there has to be an accommodation for everybody. and the difficulty we have always had from a national perspective is that the union has some quite often left the ball and takes it off the punch and refuses to work with us on, on any sort of a level pitch. and that's, that's where the b, u. b are doing at the moment. i want to see a progress in terms of new ireland and agreed ireland. but i also want that ireland to be a warm home for those who have traditionally been unionist. and i think that's the big challenge facing us is how to accommodate unionism, particularly the unionism of the u. p. quite. they themselves refuse to cooperate

every look at session in the republic and the present moment, the relatively new t shirt. instead, latitude conducive to this realignment you're calling for and, and northern ireland dollars or more that can be done from the south to assist in accommodation in the north when the site is very helpful under the part of the foreign affairs in dublin is, is very, very popular punches, way above us, went on the international stage, and they are very, very sensitive to the north on the attempt to work in the north and in various ways that can be constructed. and they're desperately trying to be helpful. what appearing to annoy union is demand. julie reality is that the irish government is slowly and steadily doing the decent thing and moving, moving us steadily towards i new fashion and ireland

a new agreed ireland. i'm not quite sure how that will work out. there's a lot of debate, a lot of discussion to be hard, but i think they reach government are doing as much as they can. no unionism would say, unionism would accuse the irish government have not been engaged enough for not doing this or not. but, you know, please things are on a spectrum, a continuous spectrum, and you can demand more engagement today and then did i not want that engagement tomorrow and asked to be consistent? and i honestly think that there's an of substantial degree of consistency coming in from their government. and how about the british government from a democratic union this perspective, they would have the plenty of reason in the recent past not to trust us. johnson, but are they going to put the trust once again in the u. k. government to get the

most of the effects in the d, u. b unionism generally, and the b u p in particular, thrown themselves at the feet of the british prime minister. and the bar us thrown them on the bus a couple of times already and will do so again, you know, bar assign a bar us. and we know how unprincipled is we basically, if you start from self and the union, mr. and chris thought he would play them along when a suit someone's needs them that i think the problem i have is that, that the d u. p in particular, are trying to cling to a version of the british empire that exists at a 100 years ago. 1920 or even before it undocked, there's tempting to recreate that on that can't be recreated the word just moved on . and that's the difficulty we hear that. a lot of these people are refusing to

recognise the 21st century. and the koreans problem far as the long term because until they wake up and smell the coffee at the 21st century, we're all at a loss. we're all at a significant stage. this will tell us what would be a greatest fear for noise. and i would looking forward to the elections and man and also what would be a greatest hope of a fun looking fault? well i, i feel my greatest hope is that we get ourselves together. and we make northern ireland work. and we saw the bread and butter issues. and when we have a prosperous functional community, then we can talk about what degree we are part of the u. k. what degree we are part of a new ireland and all of that thing, but a dysfunctional economic basket case is no good to know nobody and, and, and nobody will want us. so, you know,

the hopes are that things will move forward constructively and steadily and solely . we've come a long way since the good friday agreement and maybe it, it's a lot slower than i would like. but i would like to think that would begin to gather speed. and the people that we have elected to the assembly would find ways and means of working together. cross community lines, you can't make peace. there's no point to making peace with your friends. you have to make peace with your opponents with your enemies politically under. that's the big challenge. and i think in the early news post, good friday agreement and the early days of the north american assembly in there in the northeast. even though there was a lot of turbulence, there was a lot of cross party communication and dialogue which allowed things to happen on the economic front, on the house front. and dad, dad seems to be missing at the moment. and a stop the we have to get that back. i will swing donal,

thank you so much for joining me. once again. the mal examined show. thank you alex . wonderful to be with you. keep up the good work. the president of northern islands chamber of commerce said on the 21st of november last year, 70 percent of our members believe that northern islands, unique status presents opportunities for the region. this is because, unlike that rest of the u. k. businesses, those in northern ireland still have unrestricted access to the e use huge single mike. it forgets then can the official statistics showing the relative performance of the northern ireland academy last year as the best and living memory. this suggests that the vehement opposition to the protocol with place of an administer to board an irish c is based on a unionist principle rather than economic experience. although it should be said

that jim shannon points to powerful individual examples of rampant bureaucracy. how do you say in the agreement, just over a year ago, the u. k. government no seem intent on evoking it for the european union and the usa have thus far made it clear that without the protocol, there is no rex it deal. and so both the union is community, northern ireland and the conservative and unionist party across britain have a choice to make where the economic realities should overwrite political objectives . whether the essential unity of the united kingdom is really worth economic council. but for now, from alex, myself and all the best that the ship. good bye stacy, and hope to see you all again next week. ah.

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