[000:00:00;00] ah, i'm after 10 senior watching a special edition of going underground, a circle, nato, mainstream media breast se covers today's music security conference. this has been a week when the usa claimed russia may use weapons of mass destruction to capitalize a war in europe after wednesday's russian invasion of ukraine failed to materialize with the same nature nation tv stations that propagandized for interventions in iraq, afghanistan, syria, and libya sending that presented to kiev the world. if you believe politicians like u. k prime minister, or a strong sen himself under police investigation, is now in

a precipice. how did nato and vladimir putin let things get into this situation? joining me for this special edition for moscow is richard, have nick at off the deputy chairman of the russian state duma committee on international affairs and member of the ruling united russia party. thank you so much of it to suffer. coming on the show. i been a 1st ask about why there are nuclear weapons drills today happening. russia has the largest number nuclear weapons warheads in the world. why? why is russia doing this today? amidst all this world wide tension, russia is conducting exercises almost on a daily basis. the most from the fans has a wrong $200.00 drills a year. it's includes exercises on all forces including the strategic forces, of course, as o, y. now i think it's also a message to the west. we're serious about talking about security and we have

something to present. russian is a nuclear superpower, as well as the united states of america. and that should be taken into account just to remind when suddenly a reminder of weapons of mass destruction. what did you make of the west exec corporate consultant who's now by the secretary of state antony blinking, claiming that russia could use weapons of mass destruction, great war in europe. he said this at the un security council. oh, well, no, no. oh, the easy answer of course is that the americans are lying as easily as they are breathing. but of course there are more deep explanations to lead to the american rhetoric. sometimes they do believe their own propaganda, and this is probably the most dangerous explanation for american motives, because they sometimes do believe the fakes they produce. and that means that their decision making is based on face reaches very, very, very,

very dangerous. another explanation, of course, is a geopolitical, and i think it's more reliable. geopolitical explanation is that the united states are using this situation to mobilize the nato allies to bring more weapons closer to the russian border to arm ukraine. to introduce the new round on sexual sanctions on russia and to, to manage russia, which can use nuclear ramble as against, for europeans or russia. by the way, it never had plans of using nuclear weapons against anybody. while americans, we know that had dozens of plans of nuclear attacks on the soviet union, especially than they have military superiority. when you say they don't plan truly their nuclear missiles targeting london right now. and washington, well of course, a di targeting of nuclear missiles which was done actually, and then ontario,

that anywhere can be targeted in a matter of seconds. of course, when it comes to lies amplified throughout the western media has been the fact that the nato leaders are saying that blood, emmy putin was lying. when he said genocide was occurring in the a circle, breakaway republics of ukraine. ah, which are the subject of the immense records and un security council resolution to, to 0. 2. well, it depends on the or definition of genocide. e for the western governments think that killing or a 10000 people is not a genocide than it is not. but that's exactly the figures, the key of regime killed more than $10000.00 on their own citizens. and we consider that to be genocide, of course, that will never be recognized because all these carriers is attributed on russia aggression in east new crane. though there are not

a single russian soldier. so for us is clear. 04 west. i think it's also clear that it is not a genocide. how can democratic and free ukraine a provide a policy of genocide, but that's exactly what they're doing. well, what we hear in nature media is that 14000 were killed by russian back and separative. it was the other way. what about vladimir putin role in all of this? i mean, is not the case that as you talk about eastern expansion of nato, as this perhaps being an excuse to poor weapons in the united states, certainly is boring 1000. the soldiers in it was put in was president. when bulgaria, stoney latvia, lithuania remains to voc is renier began the 20 o 2 prague summit talks when albania cray should join in 20 or 9 mill. montenegro 2017 dot nasa dounia read. 2020. i mean, i don't think the problem here is the leadership of russia. vladimir putin is failing,

the russian people as more and more countries are getting more nature soldiers, more weapons to attack the russian people. perhaps. no, that's what's happening. yes. really, when they're talking about aggressive russia, they forget not just about the expansion of nato. it's not the extension of the area of liberty is just the expression of area of american military presence. and it's on our borders was, was in protest against each such move. but russia was not even listened, not to say that anyone that decided to hear russia. so we came to the red line, and as clear, russia is no, not going to step back a bit. so no, russia wants the west to comply with at least nato and made a russian found an act over $997.00, which was no troops, no nukes, no new, critical infrastructure,

military infrastructure in eastern europe. which of course was violated many, many, many times. and now russia says, i'm friends, get back to the way to the american forces should be and the response is don't, and i can create, i'm not going to incent crane. no one is prepared to attack the friendly nation. the mother, a republic, ukraine. you know, both of my mother and my grandmothers were born in the green solutions, should i consider myself brushing green? you know, you can divide to much russian, you crate that you're at people living with relatives and friends on both sides and there'll be no such war. the only option for such war is actually for americans to order the key of regina, which the control start the war against the republics or against rush, mas lensky denies, is under us control, and indeed,

he has been criticizing reporting in nato nations were sewing panic and you mentioned that your relationship to ukrainian had bridge that was a ukrainian, i know you're relative molotov, known to grassroots activists all around the world. but you are also working for gorbachev isn't the point here that there's a whole elite in russian society that has misunderstood the motives of the west. i understand that the vladimir putin on the record, according to a former british ex nato secretary general. i'm saying am booted said when are you going to invite us to join nato? did you want to be part of nato, the elite cinema in russia after 1991? definitely not. no. actually i think we'll put you on. was kidding at a time when she was asking them because he knew the answer. now. so there was no,

it's not about the rights of every nation tend to be admitted in tomato. actually i remember the 1991. he, you mentioned rightly that i was working for gorbachev, and i was personally meeting james baker and douglas heard when to tie. i heard him with my own ears that they're not going to expand nato. an inch east of was germany. so why didn't you get him to write it down? any normal? i mean, you don't have to be tally randall bismark to understand that something like that is in need of a treaty to be signed public? no, absolutely. i, i would agree. yeah, i would agree on that, but it wasn't even bodily. no, not mine. i was not in the position to negotiate that i was there to listen to speak. and there was gorbachev who i think sacrifice his own principles, shared by no one else in the world

a share in sacrifice the country due to those principles. ringback that there was a big mistake of gorbachev and them. yes, of course. she could also have sent you an agreement, but she had an ideal undivided europe, as well as gorbachev, as well with new european architecture, being with russia, being part of it, and nato becoming just one of the european institutions. but now in the european security system. and of course, on some countries like russia or out of the system, the system can understand. well, i understand that in the, around that time mom at some russians went to see leaders in the bay ging to say, maybe china went through all for the shock therapy. that russia chose to inflict on his people, they were laughed out. and we surprised by jang june to the un security council meeting, saying that the china condemned the instability created. he didn't mention it by

name. he said the united states. as a cold war mentality, i don't know what that means for chinese support for russia's position, but certainly the people's republic have they given one inch of territory that to nato powers, as russia has? no course not in the south beach and he's policies were more a national orient course channels or has a great strategic culture which dates back at least 5 millennia and china used to be the really global power for most of those 5 millennial or a russia china relations no, i think it was not very well understood. is the level of russia, china relationship as of now it's more than a lot. it's a very close relationship. and one, i think, should read that declaration. signed by

a russian president visited china, the opening ceremony olympic games that he's an amazing doc. and you know what was chapter number one of that document wasn't democracy? it was on democracy, saying that democracy is something people can name democracy. democracy is following that we owe their own people, not someone else, not following the will. for example, the ceo state department, washington in general, and standing actually the trust and chinese that's at some point democratic countries which call themselves democratic. but being not very sober in their decision making. oftentimes ignoring the interest of their own people to be a benefit all day. so you think i'll stop you that more from the deputy chairman of

the rest of the duma committee on international as after this, greg ah ah, bring you the latest every out the day. this is, i know everyone with what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. treat even foundation, let it be an arms race is on offensive. very dramatic development, really and get into this. i don't see how that strategy will be successful. very katy killed time,

time to sit down and talk with welcome back. i'm still here with yet. she's lannigan of the deputy chairman of the russian say, do you mind can with you on intellectual f as a member of the ruling united russia party. you know, joe biden says to the citizens of russia, you are not our enemy, and i do not believe you want to bloody destructive war against you. crane. do you think that the united states is making a push here to perhaps try and make an alliance with russia to attack the greatest enemy to a u. s. interests, which is of course, china, the most powerful economic country by purchasing power parity of the world at the moment. oh, 1st of all, if this is an attempt to send some alliance with russia, it's a very unsuccessful attempt. i would say, i wish i could read that and he could read the american national security doctrine and nuclear,

both churn defense review and other documents which underlying american for him and defense policy. in these all, all documents, russia is named as the enemy and some of them as a think and even number one. so, no, that contradicts many things. you read, they were not the enemy, the russian people. why the list of only the titles of, of bills, laws at which we're introducing sanctions against russia for whatever is $48.00 pages long and americans are going to add to those $48.00 pages. if you more, you know, it, of course, american does not, not thinking in terms of making russian people happy, that's not true. or we can not come together many issues we have contradicting. our interests. will you say go, do you want to make g?

how much money has russia made that have increased oil prices? i know they're fluctuating quite widely, but certainly, washington, the arms companies of the united states army companies here making out of all this surgery of political tension. well, of course they're making money. we're making money. and you say introduce sanctions . of course the price is oil double probably from what now we should add to the russian budget a us budget internet explorer. oh. but that can cause some problems from mine if they have $10.00 per barrel. oh, price and gas prices in the united states. so it's always a double edged. if americans introduce sanctions in a concurrent the united states as well. of course we're getting more money. it because of high oil prices in this situation. americans, yes, they're american arms. companies are also willing because they're selling and

selling arms, which american government brings to his new route and to create no question about that. you are the only country we suffer is that you today is ukraine. the stock market collapse. they cannot borrow money, and the economy is going down. so yeah, it's a big problem. oh, for ukraine. so if, as you say implicitly, ukraine and the ukranian people are being sacrificed for us geopolitical interests . why doesn't putin meat zalinski outside the normandy process and arrange a summit so that all this can be explained to the, to the world where there is no problem about such summits actually is. lensky doesn't want to have any thoughts, russia, crystal. and then of course, we don't want him to go to combine these with some points of the meals agreement. there, there is a document which was signed 8 years ago and killed. didn't do

a thing to implement this document was against his, you know, says i gun was to their hands and so on. and that's starting to be amplified in nato countries as the a valid support for minsk 2 is diluted, arguably. oh, actually alaska says he's not going to implement this to agreement, but that means that the grain will lose its territorial integrity because males is the only thing which keeps it together and cause the republics nathaniel campbell gaster published a lot, interested at all, and staying inside the green, yes, but again, the people there would say that russia has not helped them enough and not same as many lives as they might, regardless of putin calling agenda. and i wouldn't agree with that. you know, many people in russia would argue that we should have done that long before. i mean the recognition of, of their phonics

a military arrangement with them. if they were russian forces their kia would not dare to pursue a policy of genesis, which, which well, genocide is denied and they can't be under means to which is been that supported by law school at the un security council. the all a bit late, you know, people like this a, all this is a bit late. you seem to be criticizing, letting me put in again and again, arguably for the policies carried out in recent. oh, i think that the some of the rules are outdated but you know, which is also very cautious and that she doesn't want to spoil all the relationship issues unless he takes into account all the possible consequences. yes. some people argue that we should have recognized republish long go well, the former defense minister to ms. ellwood here in britain, probably not a man known that widely in russia says sanctions must be imposed now on russia, regardless of whether these are multiple deadlines for invasions. and, you know,

they're still saying here that maybe maybe you've invaded while with this interviews happened. what do you think the impact of sanctions will be on the russian people? do you think they they will have an impact on the well, of course they will introduce century no doubt about all $48.00 pages of sanctions on russia were absolutely groundless. and that will continue no question about how harmful these sanctions might meet entry all the previous sections they made, the russian economy stronger. we don't on demand as much on imports as before. we developed our national based systems, our sort of incentive to swifter, many, many of us we now having trade with china, india, and on and breaks countries and national currencies. and we're producing many, many things which we're buying outside in before the sanctions,

the british sanctions, i think, won't make a difference mother the hidden russian international business. well, this is, it has more to do with british business rather than russian business as well. and those american sanctions from hell? no, they can heard the russian economy. i seen some economic estimates on the bus, on the, you know, influence on those sanctions. i in says that rubel county valued oh, well, may have economic slowdown. we should last for a couple of years. then in the, in the 1st year, maybe we can have a slow down in e growth around 2 percent. so it will cost us 2 percent on the g p for one year, which is a lot of course rush answer by i better just quickly ask you about that because

russian defense minister again showing you met with by char last of this week. and then you k usaa israeli war plains bombed syria in the past few days. what about a serious role as a staging post? should there be, as i know on this side, nato countries are talking about russian false flags, maybe the talking about nature, false flags in russia? what role would bases in syria play in any conflict? ah, well, oh, serious situation is complicated, of course, and the major difficulty there's economics because there is no age coming from any other country other than russia when providing auto assistance. you know, we are, of course, providing just military support, mental sort of us for forms of support. and the russia is the bare before getting the terrorists out. russia came there to defeat the ices, which it will take effect level and then, and now it is

a stabilizing force in the area which also protects the serious, serious from israeli attacks, which are supposedly to be on the iranian facilities. but they also, he just on a series, well, major countries say they also give aid or beat in occupied u. s. military areas of syria. a, you know, a british newspapers this week had photographs of a, as of battalion soldiers in ukraine. i know you talked about the brotherly in sicily, love between russians and ukrainians. just remind us who the as of battalion is, especially because here in britain, a, we are hearing implicit comparisons between russia and nazi germany and vladimir putin. and hitler am who are the as of battalion, the british weapons are arming and the u. s. soldiers are actively de facto backing

. actually we also have a very strong, a reasons to compare the nato with nazi germany will not say exit sexual because that is the same group of countries plus a, b k and the united states for us, hitler was just the west. it was just wondering, you know, an image is olu at this point when they had completely disagree with that comparison and say that definitely not nazis. assault is a nazi but tell you they have not see flags. they have not seen insignia, and they are considering gentler to be their hero. well, when the whole ukrainian army now has them battle cry slow grain giving them slow, but this is the battle cry of the ukrainians in the nazi battalions of motion

assess that is exactly that. and what ukrainian government is up to his van is that in vanish to suckle may through media in nations. they do accept that the as of italian as new nazi sympathies, but very much try to separate it from the rest of the ukrainian army proper. how much pressure then do you think is being applied to german, john? so the new german johnson schultz to stop nord stream to and to back washington. the ambitions, as you described, oh, well shows, of course is in a different position than any of the european liter fristoe, because germany is sound somewhat different. of course, a german or strategic sovereignty is not too high. when you have still still have american occupational forces there when we're to, which are long, tens of thousands of us troops, astro. on the other hand,

germany has 2 major differences from the united states from any of the european countries. one, they have axiom trauma, nazis because germans know what it is when they see nazis, and they are in, recognize them as losses. and that's when they see ukraine, so many germans see it more than anyone else. and they want don't want to support arms through to, through the masses in the green. and other thing, germany, of course, has strong economic ties with, with russian and, you know, the country itself is netherlands, but they are, they have something to lose really, to lose if there is a tension in russia. so not, not the point you really believe it's because of the as of italian, the germany refused to allow, reportedly refused to allow weapons to be transported to ukraine by other nato members during this crisis. not, not just the telling,

but many of the things they see. they're also not marshes with tortures, which they remember from the massive days in germany. and now the same thing. sure, absolutely. and pictures from the streets of here we for some reason the western media show. so they see a lot of it now. and of course they are more pacifist and in a way than any other european nation. and of course more than the united states of america, and that makes them them interested in stream to 1st of all because it is profitable from the german. ready economy due to long term contracts with gus from they're getting guess now at price, which is 4 times lower than the market price. and for them, it's a serious stimulus for, for the development of their economy and the green economy multics the so for them it's important for the rest. it's not important for americans, it's more important to bring more marriage in l. n g to,

to germany rather than to the author, it, russian guess project. so that's why in germany has certainly spent at least a tactical oh, you know, sober anti in some issues. and that is why germany, for example, was against wanting to leave it, which mention, well jeremy was against the war in iraq. so it has a more pacifist approach and moral realistic approach i would say on international relations, among other things, germany, selections. and then, you know, only 20 percent of germans support the idea of brittany giving arms to create an inner percent disapproval. that idea and 2 thirds of germans support nor stream to that is something to government to just live nation off. thank you.

thank you. that's it. for the show will be back on monday when we speak to the former commander of british forces in libya, 11 years to the day. i'm not going to have his son safe one to the riches, the capital nation in africa descended to civil war until then he just viral on social media that has no view thing. major in asia media has been accurately reporting when ukraine rush attention ah oh, life simply looks different when we look through the spiritually aware brain. we're absolutely far more able to bounce back from difficulty and difficulties are seen as invitations to move away from the stock read doors in our lives. open our eyes and say what life, what spirit guides are you showing me? now? this is completely within our birthright. in fact,

we function better. i think looking at the preponderance of the evidence, i conclude that we are made whole. and as we are designed to be, when we strengthen the spiritual core and bring that into all realms of our life, a head on this i, russia conducts a military exercise to test drive nuclear missile capabilities and made an escalation, anything ukraine and continuing tensions with what people are fleeing crying at the moment, amid warnings. the key as military is escalating violence in the region. evacuation have been crossing the border into russia. been completed. there's such tension here in the morning. there was an explosion again, let's hope for the best russians. don't abandon their home.