and we have something to present. russian is a nuclear superpower, as well as the united states of america. and that should be taken into account. just a reminder. might certainly a reminder of weapons of mass destruction. what did you make of the west exact corporate consultant who's now by the secretary of state and to the blinking, claiming that russia could use weapons of mass destruction, great war in europe. he said this at the un security council. ah, well, no, no. oh, the easy answer of course is that the americans are lying as easily as they are breathing. but of course there are more deep explanations to lead to the american rhetoric. sometimes they do believe their own propaganda, and this is probably the most dangerous explanation for american motives, because they sometimes do believe the fakes they produce. and that means that their decision making is based on fakes, which is very, very, very,

very dangerous. another explanation, of course, is a geopolitical, and i think it's more reliable. geopolitical explanation is that the united states are using this situation to mobilize the nato allies now to bring more weapons closer to the russian border to arm ukraine. to introduce the new wrong on sexual sanctions on russia to manage russia, which can use nuclear rebels against, for europeans or russia. by the way, i never had plans of using nuclear weapons against anybody while americans we know that and dozens of plans of nuclear x on the soviet union especially than they have a military superiority. well, you say they don't plan truly their nuclear missiles targeting london right now. and washington, well, of course, a di targeting of nuclear missiles which was done actually. and then i'll tell you

that anywhere can be targeted in a matter of seconds. of course, when it comes to lies amplified throughout the western media has been the fact that the nato leaders are saying that blood putin was lying when he said genocide was occurring in the a circle break away republics of ukraine. ah, which are the subject of the immense records and un security council resolution to 202. well, it depends on the or does national genocide. e for the western governments think them killing or a 10000 people is not a genocide than it is not. but dance exactly the figures, the kia regime killed more than $10000.00 on their own citizens. and we consider that to be genocide, of course, that will never be recognized because all these carriers is attributed on russian aggression in east new crane. though there are not

a single russian soldier. so for us it's clear o 4 west. i think it's also clear that it is not in genocide. how can democratic and free ukraine a provide a policy of genocide, but that's exactly what they're doing. but what we hear in nature media is that 14000 were killed by russian back and separative. it was the other way. what about vladimir putin role in all of this? i mean, it is not the case that as you talk about eastern expansion of nato, as this perhaps being an excuse to pull weapons in the united states certainly is boring. thousands of soldiers in it was put in was president when bulgaria, stoney latvia, lithia any remains to voc is renier began the 200 to prague summit talks when albania croatia joined. 20 or 9 mill. montenegro 20. 17 dot nasa dounia read. 2020 . i mean, i don't think the problem here is the leadership of russia. vladimir putin is failing, the russian people as more and more countries are getting more nater,

soldiers, more weapons to attack the russian. people perhaps know that that's what's happening . yes. really, when they're talking about aggressive russia, they forget not just about the expansion of nato. it's not the extension of the area of liberty is just the special area of american military presence. and it's on our borders, which was in protest against each such move. but russia was not even listen. i'm not to say that anyone that decided to hear russia. so we came to the red line, and as we're russia is no, not going to step back a bit. so no, russia wants the west to comply with at least nato and neither russia found in, at all for $997.00, which was no troops, no nukes, no new, critical infrastructure, military infrastructure. he's new europe,

which of course was violated many, many, many times. and now russia says, i'm friends, get back to the way to the american forces should be and the response is don't, and i can bring them not going to in thank crane. no one is prepared to attack the friendly nation that the mother, a republic, ukraine. you know, both of my mother and my grandmothers were born in green solutions, should i consider myself russian korean? you know, you can divide to my russian, you create that there. are people living with relatives and friends on those sites? and there'll be no such was the only option for such war is actually for americans to order the key of regime which the control start the war against the republics or against rush moses lensky denies. he's under us control and indeed he has been

criticizing reporting in nato nations were sewing panic. and you mentioned that your relationship to ukrainian had bridge. that was a ukrainian, i know you're relative molotov, known to grassroots activists all around the world. but you are also working for gorbachev isn't the point here that there's a whole elite in russian society that has misunderstood the motives of the west. i understand that the vladimir putin on the record, according to a former british ex nato secretary general. i'm saying am booted said when are you going to invite us to join nato? did you want to me? part of nato, the elite cinema in russia off to 1991? i'm definitely not. no. actually i think we'll put you on. was kidding at a time when she was asking them because he knew the answer. now says there was no. it's not about the rights of every nation tend to be admitted into nato. actually,

i remember the 1991. he, you mentioned rightly that i was working for gorbachev and i was personally meeting james baker and douglas heard when to tie. i heard it with my own ears that then ongoing to expand and nato an inch east of was germany. so why didn't you get him to write it down? any normal, i mean, and you don't have to be tally round bismark to understand that something like that is in need of a treaty to be signed public? no, absolutely. i, i would agree. yeah, i would agree on that, but at this point especially not mine. i was not in a position to negotiate that i was there to listen to speak. and there was gorbachev who i think sacrifice his own principles, shared by no one else in the world. a share in sacrifice the country due to those

principles. ringback that there was a big mistake of gorbachev and them. yes, of course. she could also have sent you an agreement, but he had an ideal undivided europe, as well as gorbachev, as well with new european architecture, being with russia being bought of it, and nato becoming just one of the european institutions. but now in the european security system. and of course, on some countries like russia or out of the system, the system can understand. well, i understand that in the around that time, man, at some russians, went to see leaders in the bay ging to say, maybe china went through all for the shock therapy. that russia chose to inflict on his people they were laughed out. were you surprised by john june to the un security council meeting, saying that the china condemned the instability created. he didn't mention it by

name. you be said the united states has a cold war mentality. i don't know what that means for chinese support for russia's position, but certainly the people's republic have they given one inch of territory and to nato powers, as russia has no course, not in this south beach and he's policies were more a national orient course channels or has a great strategic culture which dates back at least 5 millennia and china used to be the really global power for most of those 5 millennial or a russia china relations? no, i think it was not very well understood. is the level of russia, china relationship as of now, it's more than a lots. it's a very close relationship. and one i think, should read their declaration,

signed by johnson. when her russian president visited china, the opening ceremony olympic games. that is an amazing doc. and you know, one was chapter number one of the documents to us on democracy. it was on democracy saying that democracy is something that people can name democracy. democracy is following that we owe their own people, not someone else, not following the will for, for example, the ceo state department of washington in general. and standing actually the trust and china. that's at some point democratic the countries which call themselves democratic but being not very sovereign in their decision making, oftentimes ignoring the interest of their own people to the benefit all day. so you just love nick, i'll stop you there. more from the deputy chairman of the russians. they duma

committee on international f as after this break. ah, life simply looks different when we look through the spiritually aware brain. we're absolutely far more able to bounce back from difficulty and difficulties are seen as indications to move away from the stock read doors in our lives. open our eyes and say what light, when spirit the guides are you showing me now? this is completely within our birthright. in fact, we function better. i think looking at the preponderance of the evidence, i conclude that we are made whole. and as we are designed to be, when we strengthen the spiritual core and bring that into all realms of our life. ah huh. ah,

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welcome back, i'm still here with yet. she's like megan of the deputy chairman of the russian say, do my committee on intellectual affairs and member of the ruling united russia party. you know, joe biden says to the citizens of russia, you are not our enemy, and i do not believe you want to bloody destructive war against you. crane. do you think that the united states is making a push here to perhaps try and make an alliance with russia to attack the greatest enemy to a u. s. interest, which is of course, china, the most powerful economic country by purchasing power parity in the world at the moment. oh, 1st of all, if this is an attempt to send some alliance with russia, it's a very unsuccessful attempt. i would say, i wish i could read and he could read the american national security doctrine and nuclear, both churn defense review and other documents which underlying american for him and defense policy. in these all, all documents,

russia is named as the enemy. and some of them as a think enemy number one. so no, that contradicts many things. you read, they were not the enemy, the russian people. why the list of only the titles of, of bills, laws at which we're introducing sanctions against russia for whatever is $48.00 pages long and americans are going to add to those. so 48 pages, if you more, you know, it, of course, american does not, not thinking in terms of making russian people happy. that's not true. or we can not come together many issues we have contradicting. an interest will you say go, do you say, don't you think, gee, how much money has russia made that have increased oil prices? i know that fluctuating quite widely, but certainly watching the arms companies of the united states army companies here

making out of all this the geopolitical tension. well, of course they're making money, we're making money and you say introduce sanctions. of course, the price is o oil double probably from what they're now. we should add to the russian budget a us budget internet explorer. oh, but that can cause some problems from mine if they have $10.00 per barrel. oh, price and gas prices in the united states. so it's always a double edged. if americans introduce sanctions in a concurrent the united states as well. of course we're getting more money in because of higher oil prices in this situation. americans, yes, they're american arms. companies are also willing because they're selling and selling arms, which american government brings to his new route and to create no question about

that. you are the only country rich stuffers that you today is ukraine. the stock market collapse. they cannot borrow money, and the economy is going down. so yeah, it's a big problem. oh, for ukraine. so if, as you say implicitly, ukraine and the ukranian people are being sacrificed for us geopolitical interests . why doesn't putin meat zalinski outside the normandy process and arrange a summit so that all this can be explained to the, to the world where there is no problem about such summits actually is. lensky doesn't want to have any thoughts, russia, crystal. and then of course, we don't want him to go to combine these with some points of the me ask agreement. there is a document which was signed 8 years ago and killed. didn't do a thing to implement this document. was alan's his, you know, says i gun was to their heads and so on,

and that's starting to be amplified in nato countries as the a valid support for minsk 2 is diluted, arguably, oh, actually it'll ask. you says he's not going to implement this to agreement. but that means that the green will lose its territorial integrity because means the only thing which. ready keeps it together and cause the republics the finance company asking how much they're not interested at all in staying inside the green. yes, but again, the people there would say that russia has not helped them enough and not saved as many lives as they might, regardless of putin calling agenda. and i would agree with that, you know, many people in russia would argue that we should have done that long before. i mean, the recognition of them and those of your colleagues, a military arrangement with them. if they were russian forces their keith would not dare to pursue a policy of genesis, which, which well, genocide is denied and they can't be under means to which is been that supported by

im, lucko at the un security council. it's all a bit late. you know, people like this a, all, this is a bit late. you seem to be criticizing, letting me put in again and again, arguably for the policies carried out in reason. i think that the, some of the rules are outdated. but you know, which is also very cautious and she doesn't want to spoil all the relationship. she has some loss. he takes into account all the possible consequences. yes. some people argue that we should have recognized republish long go, well, leave for the defense minister to buy his ellwood here in britain. probably not a man known that widely in russia says sanctions must be imposed now on russia, regardless of whether these are multiple deadlines for invasions. and, you know, they're still saying here that maybe maybe you've invaded while we're this interviews happened. what do you think the impact the sanctions will be on the russian? people you think they, they will have an impact on the well,

of course they will introduce sanctions. no doubt about all 48 pages of sanctions on russia were absolutely groundless. and that will continue no question about how harmful the sanctions might meet entry all the previous sections they made, the russian economy stronger. we don't on demand as much on imports as before. we developed our national based systems. our sort of tentative to switch many, many on we now having trade with china, india, and on the bricks, countries in national occurrences. and we're producing many, many things which we're buying outside. maybe it's one of the sanctions, rich sanctions, i think, won't make a difference. well, they hit russian international business. well, this is,

it has more to do with british business rather than russian business as well. and those american sanctions from hell, you know, they can turn the russian economy. i seen some economic estimates on the bus to build on the, you know, insulin, so no sanctions i in says that rubel can do really it, oh, well, may have economic slowdown. we should last for a couple of years. then in the, in the 1st year, maybe we can have a slow down in the growth around 2 percent. so it will cost us 2 percent on the g p for one year, which is a large lot of course rush account survive. i better just quickly ask you about that because russian defense minister, so gay joy, who met with my char last of this week. and then you can usaa israeli warplanes bombed syria in the past few days. what about up syria's role as a staging post?

should there be, as i know on this side, nato countries are talking about russian false flags, maybe the talking about nature, false flags in russia? what role would bases in syria playing any conflict? ah, well, oh, serious situation is gone. the case of course, and the major difficulty there is economics because there is no age coming from any other country, other than russia were providing auto assistance. you know, we are, of course, providing just military support, but also the most forms of support. and the russia is a bare before getting the terrorists out. russia came there to defeat the ices, which here that we think effectively dan. and now it is a stand alone in force in the area which also protects the syrian cities from israeli attacks,

which are suppose me to be on the iranian facilities. but they also, he just ordinary syrians. well, nature country say they also give aid, albeit in occupied u. s. military areas. alpha, syria, a, you know, a british newspapers this week had photographs of a, as off battalion soldiers in ukraine. i know you talked about the brotherly and sicily love between russians and ukrainians. just remind us who the as of battalion is, especially because it here in britain a, we are hearing implicit comparisons between russia and nazi germany and vladimir putin. and hitler am who are the as of italian, that the british weapons are arming and the us soldiers are actively de facto backing. actually, we also have a very strong, a reasons to compare the nato with nazi germany will not say exits actually,

because that is the same group of countries plus the k and the united states for us, hitler was just the west. it was just wondering, you know, i image is olu at this point when they go completely disagree with that comparison and say they're definitely not nazis over is a nazi but tell you they have nazi flags. they have matt st. insignia, and they are considering gentler to be their hero. well, well, the whole ukrainian army now has their battle cry slow grain going slow, but this is the battle cry off the ukrainians in the nazi battalions of motion assess. that is exactly, that is what ukrainian government is up in van as to some article made through media in nato nations. they do accept that the as of italian as new nazi sympathies,

but very much try to separate it from the rest of the grain. you know me a proper, how much pressure then do you think is being applied to german johnson, the new german johnson schultz to stop nord stream 2 and 2 back washington. the ambitions as you describe them. oh, well shows of course is in a different position and you know, the european leader for fristoe because in germany, someone would someone different, of course, a german strategic sovereignty is not too high. when you have still still have american occupational forces. there were 2 which are long tens of thousands of us troops, roster. on the other hand, germany has 2 major differences from the united states from any other european countries. one, they have axiom trauma,

nazis because germans know what it is when they see nazis, and they are in recognize them as losses. and that's when they see ukraine, so many germans see it more than anyone else. and they want don't want to support arms due to the nazis in again, another thing, germany, of course, has strong economic ties with russia. and, you know, the country itself, maybe netherlands, but they are, they have something to lose really to lose. if there is a tension in russia to film that not see point, you really believe it's because of the as of italian, the germany refused to allow, reportedly refused to allow weapons to be transported to ukraine by other nato members during this crisis. no, not, not just, but it hasn't been telling, but many of the things they see they're also nazi marshes with tortures which they remember from the massive days in germany. and now the same pictures. absolutely.

and pictures from the streets of key f, which for some reason the western media don't show. so they see a lot. of course, they are more benefits in a way than any other european nation, of course, and more than the united states of america. and that makes them them the interest in australia to 1st of all because it's, it's, and also the german economy, new and new to long term contracts with gus from they're getting gas now at price, which is 4 times lower than the market price. and for them, it's a serious, similar for, for the development of their economy and the green economy multics the so for them it's important for the rest. it's not important for americans, it's more important to bring more marriage in l. n g to, to germany rather than to the author, it, russian guess project. so that's why in germany has certainly spent at least

tactical, you know, sober ante in some issues there. and that is why germany, for example, was against bombings of libya. which mention warranty was against the war in iraq. so it has a more pacifist approach and more realistic approach i would say on international relations. among other things, germany has some actions. and you know, only 20 percent of germans support the india or britain giving arms to create an inner percent dis approve that idea. and 2 thirds of germans support in north june to that is something the government, you know, the pigeons line, they can all thank you. thank you. that's it for the show will be back on monday when we speak to the former commander of british forces in libya, 11 years to the day. mamma gadhafi, son safe wanted the riches because donation in africa descended to civil war until

then he just viral on social media. let us know if you think maybe an asian media has been accurately reporting on ukraine rush attention. life simply looks different when we look through the spiritually aware brain. we're absolutely far more able to bounce back from difficulty and difficulties are seen as invitations to move away from the stuck read doors in our lives. open our eyes and say what life, what spirit guides are you showing me now? this is completely within our birthright. in fact, we function better. i think looking at the preponderance of the evidence, i conclude that we are made whole and as we are designed to be, when we strengthen the spiritual core and bring that into all realms of our life,

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