we've planned to get with me just to resolve the situation and call me ask accords because the negotiations were held in minsk. this was because issues that we get because were but further advanced showed you led me to daisy authorities from keith . have no intentions to implement with this plan. more than that the they have stated, there's someone wish and goes with them. okay, we're, we're listening there to present pete, and he was speaking at the russian security council meeting earlier today. the key point that he did here a number of requests from russian politicians and officials to to recognize the breakaway easton republics as independent states in ukraine. he said the decision on that will be made later today. so let's bring in some details and i to run through what was said, a huge number of arguments for made about why this should happen. and yet president putin didn't make that decision straight to why he's going to make one later today

. but just talk through the implications of this decision of us for i think that kind of decision you can't just make on the spot, the sub power. i was just thinking as he was speaking, look how much paperwork we've got in front of us as you will to taking that note. i mean, that was so much to it on pack cannot because this is such a tangled story, isn't it? if we're talking about absolutely the point for which the security council was cool together, which is to clarify is basically all the political big hitters come together every so often to discuss issues of national security and time on external threats. this really was called at the last moment because the situation and ukraine has got, was we all going to talk about a bit later? so the main point on the agenda was whether to recognize those breakaway republics of done yet a new counsel, sorry. interesting. is that just about 2 hours, maybe an hour and a half before the security council was convened? we heard from the heads of those 2 breakaway republics,

and both of them in video format made a plea. they said, got him a person. we're asking you to recognize our independence and our to me, and i hope that will it will be allowed to co operate together later. it's not clear what the level of integration would be president. it was very clear though, in, in what he just said, that he said, we are not talking in any way just anyone is under the sun signing about peace republics. entering russia, we are talking about that independence from ukraine. this is all of the back of a draw floor that was passed. overwhelmingly, i think something like 351 deputies out of 450. and in the russian parliament's no house, they said we need to recognize that independence at that stage. what they said is because these people need our help and support just to clarify barrow over 2000000 people and don't pass. and of those 700000 of them are russian possible holders. and other fascinating statistic that came out of thought was that apparently over

a 1000000 people don't pass, have applied for rush and citizenship in recent days. now rational make a save, and this is something that president putin was saying, the inhabitants of those regions have been living in basements. they've been living on to constant shutting for 8 years. they live in fair. i mean, 15000 people have died because of this complex since 2014. and now we see lots of them. what we got, the statistics around 70000 people have fled in 2 days since that have been evacuated to russia. and a lot of these people are being treated the 2nd class citizens. i mean, the ukraine in government for example, stopped paying a pension. they don't provide social benefits. that's only the total economic blockade at the moment we heard that most of done yet doesn't have any water. i'm not gonna cut off from gas and water to the people really living in a critical situation. and all they've ever really wanted is to be able to have a level of self governance. this is obviously

a very serious decision. if we're going to talk about fall out, and this is something that the west was talking over the west, the previous he warned about, they said we would consider moscow recognizing the autonomy of these 2 regions as russia with touring from the mit agreements. and they said, we would consider that potentially as a reason to stop, for example, the sanctions package. it was very interesting that a lot of what we had was talking about how russia has built itself, essentially a fort economy. they said, you know what, they're going to sanction or whatever we do. we are preparing this. we've been pairing this 1st for months for years in fact. and it is true that you know they've when themselves, off the dollar a little bit as well. they've brought up that gold supply, so they are ready. but they said this is more important. if we do recognize guns, we don't think about money. we can't think about. we need to think about people, people who are living and say, every single day of their life. what,

who was talking about specifically, was that he said that it's clear that russia, ukraine is not interested in abiding by the agreement. and really, there is no point in continuing the process that it's entered, a total that doesn't really careful to hear exactly what you said about b o, c and general situation. the key of authority, you don't want to have to engage and direct me to i like with the republics. they say they want to do it by dialect with russia. and as soon as russia offered certainty stamps to samples within the framework, while demons could coordinate a start saying that rush isn't repairing with internal affairs, have ukraine's upside. well, the crucial point that when he's talking about campus fading, starts talking about point 11 in the midst protocols. very simple. just remind a 13 point document sign in 2015 by full powers under representatives of the o. s c. and it was supposed to be about

a sci fi and our thoughts and points that you need to. so step by step and key has failed to do one main thing and not is to award son yet under a special status, even though it put its signature on it. it said we're going to do that. and i said they have out that you said we're not going to discuss this and reason given for this funding that a lot of commentators talking about is not president lance. he is very worried about pressure from the far right. the far right says that this would be treachery, that we need to gain back, don't boss and premier at all costs, military or knowledge. even sat down with some of these, a board right bordering here. not movement to say, i need to come down. it's going to be fine. i think we need to do it something that we talking about. it's clear that kids, if failing to, to, to, to do the minutes protocol, you need to talk about the catch 22 for russia as well because he says, the means is, sorry. kiev is refusing to sit down and talk with the breakaway republics. but the

same time when russia says, what are you going to do then to amend the constitution to, to fall in line the misc agreements. he's told boy, stop interfering. so in russia's perspective, how can this situation move forward on the mr. green? if we can't even get over this 1st hurdle. well, i mean it's actually, i think it is a catch 22. i think for moscow, the key issue here is that there are people's lives on the line. and what was thing was that we had, i felt very different tone of rhetoric. so for example, here we had to focus on the human suffering. the fact that we need to spend the bloodshed, we need to protect these people. and that's just clarify of those who live in don't pass 180 percent of them all. russian speaking ethnically, russian considered themselves to be russian. and yet, unfortunately, have every single tongue specific, particularly, and in recent years been discriminated against by careful florida on a constitutional level, on a legal level without being discrimination against the russian language. whereas

what we heard was that kids is using don't pass as a bargaining chip trying to get it's always been used as a proxy. as a balkan chip, an approximate between the us nato and russia. i think most definitely feels in a tight spot here because 100 looking at what is the factories were fleeing into russia and, and, you know, even hearing appeals from the russian, people from the, from the people from separative for public consulting. please, can you help us at the same time, it knows that that's going to be a huge fall out from this in terms of what that would actually mean though, it's very difficult to say that was very little integration at the moment. i'm such documents that are published and produced in, in, in don't bass, already recognized in russia and also that certain easement of customs which means that those people have been offered a bit of a lifeline. they're allowed to sell that goods on the russian market without many hindrances. but i mean, what does that mean? does that mean some kind of military cooperation?

does it mean great financial support? does that mean rush up providing money and pensions to people who need water as well? one of the main reasons has come to a headache is very clear. listening to the people. speaking of security council meetings, the concern to genuine concern for people sly, because they talked about the military build up on the line of contacts. i think it was the defense minister that said it was 59000 treat. now, on that contact line, he said there were 345 tanks from kiev, 2000 vehicles, 800. i think he 800 other types of defense equipment. he mentioned in austin nationalist battalions that were, that he said, that is times it's hard to understand who they are under control off and perhaps blame some to sabotage. we seen certainly on infrastructure nice and ukraine on them. but the point being that there's been a huge build up of military from the key s government on this contact line. and

that is got a lot of people concerned, particularly when we've seen the uptake intentions over the last 2448 hours. what's interesting that you say it's coming from here. i mean, let's be honest, it's not coming from here. it's been given to by western power. specifically, it's getting been given by nato. nato was, i don't think, mentioned once unless i missed that, but it was definitely the kind of the elephant in the room thought she'd have a problem. of course, for me and i did talk about it. and i think this is what we need to understand. russia feels that the west has exploited the very critical and unstable situation in eastern you claim because it's a country far away with people. it doesn't really care about and, you know, and not something a lot of people said they said, you know, the us don't need to boss. you know, even the ukraine doesn't need, don't passive. he's purely as a political tool. but nato, providing those weapons and offering javelins to use against innocent civilians who

have basically no military support except for the malicious who have just formed themselves in the same breath saying they are defensive weapons on a defensive weapons. and of course, or pro diplomacy. i mean, it just doesn't fit together. i mean, obviously in terms of nato, what we had that was about foreign policy from abroad. he was saying, we sent those guarantees. those suggestions for legally binding security guaranteed back into sam. but we just want you to say to us that our security is as important as everyone else says, because it will. what's happening at the moment is that nato is putting its missiles all over the european continents. some of them, 345 minutes away from moscow. and the same, but going toward trust us where we're defensive now. moscow's key issue is it's not just obviously, this is huge security risk, but it is also a broken promise, nato and its allies. back off to the soviet union collapsed, said we will not go one inch eastward and i think it was up the river alba. and this is something that is helping proven by all kinds of documents that have been

dragged up. it's written black on white, but as a gala pro said, he said, let, dipping in a totally different reality that denying the presence of documents. then you go, it will come up because when they talk to each other, they said they had no intention to expand nato to enlarge, need to. and despite that, mr. stolen burke, secretary general of nato, refuting the facts, unclassified documents from the british archive, and published in yes speaker. and despite all these, so they see they are not going to change to weaken this policy of open doors despite you set yourself a number of occasions that there is no such policy. there is just an opportunity in the treaty. they sign up all the nate members agree, they can all, for some country, any country to join the alliance and to conditions you could correspond to the membership conditions and strengthen the security of the north

atlantic treaty. and so i think it, it's pretty obvious from that that moscow, that the some, some oscar that they were pushed into a position. but they really don't want to be in. and that isn't an almost impossible situation to result because of these hostile activities from, from its west and on, and partners. another thing that i think is very much worth mentioning is just on the issue of new killer. we heard at the mean security conference presence lensky came out and said, well, you know, well maybe i'm going to renee gotten the budapest memorandum and maybe i'll restart on neutral program. and as the defense minister application groups, i said, you guys should be filled with hora. kind of idea, not just because it's an incredibly unstable country at the moment with and this is something that he's reiterated is something that we've looked into a lot with unfortunately fall right groups having undue influence on government.

but they have all the infrastructure in place that they could restart if they want to. and what would they do with that? that's the question. but at the moment there are really unreliable country to be having that kind of thing with it. it really doesn't sound like a diplomatic solution. what's going on? well, we sleep said you think sassik, because this week we've got various summits and proposed meetings procedures. so we've got guarantee meetings between so again, for off i think he's nice said he's gonna meet his french counterpart on friday. this going to be talks between him and, and you blink and the u. s. secretary of state was from your perspective, is very difficult to try and ascertain what's gonna happen next, but they seem to be so far apart. and i don't lot using the word ultimatums, but that basically it will. but what's it boiling down to be? don't agree. we're going to do this. where is the room for diplomacy here? do you think? i mean, like you said, this is one of these situations. i think if we've got anything the last couple of months is that things change on a day by day basis. we have how did moscow

a flurry of classic activity? we've had president macro, we've had the job and chancellor, we've had a lot of heads of state coming through the crime. and it's so obvious that everyone, everyone is trying to find a diplomatic solution to this, especially when you know it's all in correspondence. and in done yet more, i just heading off. i mean, i wake up and i hear the shutting outside my window people's lives here are risk. i mean it's, i think it's very difficult to say here. i mean, i'm a lincoln and elaborate of our meeting. i believe they said on the 24th, that's going to be in geneva, always offering a neutral ground for discussion. i want to be very interesting to see whether this decision, if they do recognize the don bus region, whether that will scott any plans and when that whether the us say we told you we knew that you will go from fate. because up to the rest for the background to create it. obviously they said the.